Mary Hussey, wife of Henry Howard
Douglas Richardson
A month ago or so, we were discussing the identity of Ankaret (died
1389), 2nd wife of Henry Hussey (or Husee), of Harting, Sussex, and
the possibility of Ankaret might be the daughter of a Lord le Strange.
I pointed out that Mary Hussey, wife of Henry Howard, was possibly
Ankaret's grand-daughter.
I haven't made an exhaustive search of available sources on the Howard
family. However, to date I have located two sources that state that
Henry Howard's wife, Mary, was the daughter of Sir Henry Hussey [son
of Ankaret]. These two sources are as follows:
l. E. Brydges, Collins' Peerage of England 1 (1812): 50–143
(identifies wife Mary as "daughter of Sir Henry Hussey, of the County
of Sussex, Knight").
2. B. Burke Genealogical Hist. of Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and
Extinct Peerages (1883): 284 (sub Howard) (wife Mary called "dau. of
Sir Henry Hussey").
As best I can tell, Brydges often obtained his information on early
family members of peerage families from visitation manuscripts. As
such, I imagine somewhere out there there is a Howard visitation
pedigree that states that Henry Howard's wife, Mary, was the daughter
of Sir Henry Hussey, of Sussex.
For convenience sake, I've listed below the names of the colonial
immigrants who descend from Henry and Mary (Hussey) Howard.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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List of colonial immigrants who descend from Henry Howard and his
wife, Mary Hussey:
l. Elizabeth Boteler.
2. Nathaniel Burrough.
3. William Clopton.
4. Anne Derehaugh.
5. Edmund Jennings.
6. Edmund, Edward, Richard, & Matthew Kempe.
7. Maria Johanna Somerset.
8. Jemima Waldegrave.
Reedpcgen
>(identifies wife Mary as "daughter of Sir Henry Hussey, of the County
>of Sussex, Knight").
My copy of this, on p. 56, make refernce in that paragraph to "Ex stemmate"
which is repeated in other references as well, and appears to refer to the
source in note n on page 55: "Ex stemmate Fam. de Howard, MS.
p. 49 in Bibl Joh. Anstis, Arm. Gart."
On page 54, note g, we have "MS de Famil. Howard, [. 49" and note I, "MS de
Howard, p. 125 in Bibl. Joh. Anstis, Arm Gart."
Paul
Allen John Mallory
comprehend what you have said below.....please help me understand how
Ankaret, wife of Henry Hussey, could have a grand-daughter Mary Hussey, when
in the 2nd paragraph, you say Mary was the daughter of Henry Hussey, SON of
Ankaret.
Are you saying there were two Henry Hussey's? Father and son with the same
name?
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"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote in message
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:
: A month ago or so, we were discussing the identity of Ankaret (died
: 1389), 2nd wife of Henry Hussey (or Husee), of Harting, Sussex, and
: the possibility of Ankaret might be the daughter of a Lord le Strange.
: I pointed out that Mary Hussey, wife of Henry Howard, was possibly
: Ankaret's grand-daughter.
:
: I haven't made an exhaustive search of available sources on the Howard
: family. However, to date I have located two sources that state that
: Henry Howard's wife, Mary, was the daughter of Sir Henry Hussey [son
: of Ankaret]. These two sources are as follows:
:
:snip snip
Douglas Richardson
> Douglas, quite possibly I need another cup of coffee before I can fully
> comprehend what you have said below.....please help me understand how
> Ankaret, wife of Henry Hussey, could have a grand-daughter Mary Hussey, when
> in the 2nd paragraph, you say Mary was the daughter of Henry Hussey, SON of
> Ankaret.
>
> Are you saying there were two Henry Hussey's? Father and son with the same
> name?
>
Thank you for your good post. Sorry, if my post confused you. I
assumed everyone was following the earlier thread on Ankaret Hussey.
Yes, there were two Henry Hussey's, father and son. Mary Hussey, wife
of Henry Howard, appears to have been the daughter of the younger
Henry Hussey. The senior Henry Hussey was married to Ankaret, who is
alleged in a record that I previously posted to be a daughter of Lord
Strange. By this arrangment, Ankaret, wife of the senior Henry
Hussey, would be grandmother to Mary (Hussey) Howard.
If you want further information on the Hussey family of Harting,
Sussex, I suggest you read the account of this family in Complete
Peerage. The editor of Complete Peerage spells the surname Husee, by
the way. Either spelling is correct.
Do you descend from Mary (Hussey) Howard, by any chance?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
> --
History Writer
ancestress 19 generations back of Sarah, Duchess of York (see copy of
that posting below), as well as of Massachusetts immigrant Anne
Derehaugh (Mrs John Stratton). I hope you are able to locate her
matrilineage even further back. Of note is that this lineage includes
highly-regarded 17th-century diarist Anne Clifford (Countess of
Dorset) whose diaries have recently been republished. Best Regards.
Message 2 in thread
From: R. Battle (bat...@u.washington.edu)
Subject: Re: Longest Female medieval line?
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Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-06-05 16:40:01 PST
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Richard Smyth at UNC-CH wrote:
<snip>
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to the longest provable female line within
> medieval genealogy? (I assume there are many provable living female lines
> extending back to the medieval period.)
<snip>
I'm not too sure about that assumption (unless you mean it as a total
number rather than a percentage of the population).
This was discussed several years ago. Check out WAR's message of 13
Aug
2000 and others in the same thread (watch for line wrap):
<http://groups.google.com/groups?q=matrilineal+group:soc.genealogy.medieval&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=39971f4d.964977%40news.erols.com&rnum=2>
While it is certainly not the longest (or even close--just into the
15th
century), one of the matrilines I am interested in is that of Fergie
and
her daughters (mainly because it is shared by the MA immigrant Anne
(Derehaugh) Stratton):
1. wife of Henry Howard (perhaps Mary Hussey)
2. Elizabeth Howard m. Henry Wentworth
3. Margery Wentworth m. Sir William Waldegrave, KB
4. Margaret Waldegrave m. Sir John St. John
5. Margaret St. John m. Francis Russell, 2nd E. of Bedford
6. Margaret Russell m. George Clifford, 3rd E. of Cumberland
7. Anne Clifford, Baroness Clifford, m. Richard Sackville, 3rd E. of
Dorset
8. Margaret Sackville m. John Tufton, 2nd E. of Thanet
9. Cicely Tufton m. Christopher Hatton, 1st V. Hatton of Gretton
10. Anne Hatton m. Daniel Finch, 7th E. of Winchilsea and 2nd E. of
Nottingham
11. Mary Finch m. Thomas Watson-Wentworth, 1st M. of Rockingham
12. Anne Watson-Wentworth (sister of Charles Watson-Wentworth, 2nd M.
of
Rockingham, P.M.) m. William Fitzwilliam, 3rd E. Fitzwilliam
13. Charlotte (Wentworth-) Fitzwilliam m. Thomas Dundas, 1st B. Dundas
14. Mary Dundas m. Charles William Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 5th E.
Fitzwilliam
15. Frances Laura Wentworth-Fitzwilliam m. Rev. William Bridgeman
Simpson
16. Mary Bridgeman Simpson m. Maj. Walter Pleydell-Bouverie
17. Sybil Pleydell-Bouverie m. Mervyn Richard Wingfield, 8th V.
Powerscourt
18. Doreen Julia Wingfield m. FitzHerbert Wright
19. Susan Mary Wright m. Ronald Ivor Ferguson
20. Sarah Margaret Ferguson m. HRH Andrew Albert Christian Windsor, D.
of
York
1-3. same
4. Dorothy Waldegrave m. Sir John Spring
5. Frances Spring m. Edmund Wright
6. Mary Wright m. William Derehaugh
7. Anne Derehaugh m. John Stratton
-Robert Battle
R. Battle
> Several weeks ago it was noted that Mary Hussey is the matrilineal
> ancestress 19 generations back of Sarah, Duchess of York (see copy of
> that posting below), as well as of Massachusetts immigrant Anne
> Derehaugh (Mrs John Stratton). I hope you are able to locate her
> matrilineage even further back. Of note is that this lineage includes
> highly-regarded 17th-century diarist Anne Clifford (Countess of
> Dorset) whose diaries have recently been republished. Best Regards.
<snip>
Using mainly secondary sources, it appears that Alice (Wandesford)
Thornton, another diarist/autobiographer, was also of this matrilineage:
1. (Mary Hussey?) m. Henry Howard
2. Elizabeth Howard m. Henry Wentworth
3. Margery Wentworth m. Sir William Waldegrave, K.B.
4. Dorothy Waldegrave m. Sir John Spring
5. Bridget Spring m. Sir Thomas Fleetwood
6. Joyce Fleetwood m. Sir Hewett Osborne
7. Alice Osborne m. Christopher Wandesford
8. Alice Wandesford (1625-1720) m. William Thornton
-Robert Battle
History Writer
Hussey apparent father of Mary Hussey, was the nephew of the Henry
Hussey who married Katherine FitzAlan. I am not sure who Ankaret is.
(Is Ankaret a variant of Katherine?) Mary Hussey's apparent father,
Henry, married twice, to Margaret and then to Christian (no surnames
listed). Of course, I could be mistaken, and Mary could be the
daughter of Henry Hussey and Katherine FitzAlan, but would that
chronology work? I could not fine Mary, wife of Henry Howard, on this
web page mentioned below, but on ancestry.com several have posted her
as the daughter of Henry Hussey and Margeria (no surname). Best
Regards.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gowenrf/husseyms_001.htm
Children born to Mark Hussey and Margery Verdun LeBlount
Hussey include:
Henry Hussey
born about 1343
Henry Hussey, son of Mark Hussey and Margery Verdun
LeBlount Hussey, was born about 1343. He was shown as
"age 6 and over" in 1349 at the time of the death of his
grandfather, Henry Hussey. Sir Henry Hussey supported the
opponents of King Richard II in Sussex, according to "The
Loyal Conspiracy" by Anthony Goodman. It seems that the
court was thereafter prejudiced against him.
Although he was proved to be the heir of his father and
grandfather in several inquisitions, Henry Hussey was
wheedled out of his inheritance, in violation of the English
custom of progeniture, according to "Pedigrees from Plea
Records."
His uncle, Henry Hussey inherited Standen Hussey manor,
Freefolk manor, Hascombe manor and Harting manor to the
exclusion of Henry Hussey. Even his mother's portion of the
Verdun lands, which would appear to have been his due, seems
to have been settled during his minority in 1357 on his mother
and her third husband "and the heirs of their bodies." Henry
Hussey took his uncle, Henry Hussey, to court and won the
case, but the king reversed the court's decision July 10, 1367
and "pardoned Sir Henry Hussee for his outlawry," according
to "Patent Rolls."
Henry Hussey was married about 1368, wife's name Margaret.
When she died she was buried in the chancel of St. Mary the
Virgin in the church of Sittingbourne, Kent. He was remarried
about 1370, wife's name Christian.
On May 10, 1372 Henry Hussey gave an assignment of his
rights to Eling manor to William Wykeham, Bishop of
Winchester, expectant on the death of Sir Hugh de Camoys,
who held the property for life. He released his interest in
Paddington manor in 1373 to John de Kyngesfold, according to
"History of Surrey." On August 7, 1374 he nominated
attorneys in Ireland and before October 19, 1377 granted to Sir
John de Arundel the reversion of all lands of his heritage in
Somersetshire, Huntingdonshire, Sussex and Cambridgeshire
"held for life by Elizabeth, who was the wife of Sir Ralph
Spigurnel," according to "Complete Peerage."
In 1385 Henry Hussey, possibly, and others were
commissioned to "inquire about the malefactors who entered
the king's free warren in the Isle of Sheppey, Kent and hunted
therein without license and took away hares, conies, pheasants
and partridges," according to "Patent Rolls."
His uncle, Henry Hussey died in 1384, and in 1393 Henry
Hussey again contested the loss of his inheritance by
instigating a suit against Henry Hussey, his cousin, and son of
Henry Hussey. The suit was filed for recovery of 1/3 of
Harting manor. In the legal proceedings Henry Hussey traced
his lineage through his father and his grandfather for the court,
but again to no avail because his cousin was called into
military service. On the day of the trial Henry Hussey was in
the king's service guarding Sandgate Castle, and, under English
law, had the king's protection for one year.
Henry Hussey apparently gave up the legal struggle to obtain
his inheritance afterwards. In 1407 he was a resident of
Sittingbourne, Kent. He wrote his will January 22, 1407-08
requesting burial in the chancel of St. Mary the Virgin next to
his wife. Among pious bequests he gave 10 shillings for a
pilgrimage to Walsingham and 20 shillings for a pilgrimage to
Bridlinton, Yorkshire and "33s 4d. for masses for the repose of
his soul at Aylsford and Canterbury, Kent. To Mark Hussey,
his son, he bequeathed his coat of armor and his great
silver-handled poniard (dagger) and two horses; he directed
that all his goods wheresoever in Kent should be divided into
three parts of which his "wife, Christian, was to have one part
and my sons and daughters another part, together with the
residue of my own part," according to "Complete Peerage."
It appears that the will was proved in 1408.
Children born to Henry Hussey and Christian Hussey include:
Mark Hussey born
about 1360
Mark Hussey, son of Henry Hussey and Christian Hussey, was
born about 1360 in Kent. The only record of him found to date
appears in the will of his father, written in 1407, in which he
was appointed co-executor. He appears to have died about
1413, according to "Complete Peerage." He died in Kent in
1421, according to "Hussey Record."
History Writer
is certainly possible that Mary, wife of Henry Howard, was the
granddaughter or great-granddaughter of Katherine FitzAlan, who did
have a son named Henry Hussey, as well as a grandson by that name.
Mark Hussey, father of the Henry Hussey who married Margaret and
Christian, was apparently Katherine FitzAlan's step-son (she was
therefore not, as I mistakenly reported in my previous posting, the
wife of this Henry's uncle). All very confusing and not easy to
resolve. Why do several postings on ancestry.com have Mary Hussey the
daugther of Henry Hussey and Margeria? Best Regards.
Stewart Baldwin
>(Is Ankaret a variant of Katherine?)
[snip]
The common Welsh female name Angharad would be the obvious guess.
Stewart Baldwin
Alex Bannerman
The line of Anne Derehaugh (Mrs. John Stratton) of Salem, MA (my line) is as follows:
1. Sir Henry Hussey, Kt., of Harting, Sussex, &c. = Constance _____
2. Mary Hussey = (1) John Teye, (2) Henry Howard, Esq. of Boxted, (3) Sir William Allington, Kt.
3. (by 2) Elizabeth Howard = Roger Timperley, (2) (as his 1st wife) Henry Wentworth of Cobham Hall
4. Margery Wentworth = Sir William Waldegrave, K.B. of Smallbridge, Suffolk, &c.
5. Dorothy Waldegrave = Sir John Spring, Kt., of Hitcham and Cockfield, Suffolk
6. Frances Spring = Edmund Wright, M.P., of Sutton Hall
7. Mary Wright = William Derehaugh of Colston Hall (ancestral of Lady Diana Spencer
8. Anne Derehaugh = John Stratton of Kirkton Hall (in Shotley), Suffolk
Jemima Waldegrave was Anne Derehaugh's 3rd cousin. Her lineage works thusly, with the first four generations being the same:
5. Anthony Waldegrave = Elizabeth Gray
6. Thomas Waldegrave = Elizabeth Gurdon
7. Thomas Waldegrave = Margaret Holmstead
8. Jemima Waldegrave = Herbert Pelham of Massachusetts
Another Immigrant descendant you didn't mention is Alice Apsley of Saybrook, CT, also a 3rd cousin of Anne and Jemima. Her line is as follows, again with the first four generations being the same:
5. Margaret Waldegrave = Sir John St. John
6. Alice St. John = Edmund Elmes
7. Elizabeth Elmes = Sir Edward Apsley
8. Alice Apsley = (1) Sir John Boteler, (2) George Fenwick of Saybrook
Notably, actors Maggie and Jake Gyllenhaal are descendants of this last line through:
6. Oliver St. John, 1st Baron of Bletso = Agnes Fisher
7. Margaret St. John = Sir Nicholas Luke
8. Anne Luke = Sir Miles Fleetwood
10 intervening generations
19. Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal
Alex
Elizabeth A
Is there a standard body of secondary-source literature for this Alice (Apsley) Fenwick? I haven't encountered her in several of the prominent immigrant origin compilations. While I don't believe I'm related to her, I would like more light shone on this Elmes-Apsley connection, which I believe is obliquely referenced multiple times in the Loseley Manuscripts.
-Elizabeth A