Aragon/Palizzi/Doria/degli Uberti/ Sicilian Vespers and aftermath
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Bert Kamp cited GEC on the following line:
1. Frederico II and Sibylla Sormella
2. Sancho de Aragon, Barone di Militello and Malcada Palizzi, signora de
Cammarata
3. Federico de Aragon, Barone di Militello and Giovanna Doria
4. Vinciguerra de Aragon, Barone di Militello and NN
5. Bartolomeo de Aragon, Barone di Militello and Helene
Catacuze
In addition there was:
4. Sanchiolo de Aragon, Barone di Militello and Lucca Palizzi
5. Matteo de Aragon died before 1364 when Militello passed to
his Uncle Vinciguerra de Aragon.
Malcada Palizzi was probably the daughter of Vinciguerra Palizzi, famous
admiral of Frederick II who was at the Peace of Caltabellotta in 1302 as a
counterpart to Roger de Loria. In 1303 Cammarata was given by Frederick II to
Vinciguerra Palizzi.
There are several Palizzi men mentioned in this period. Besides Vinciguerra
there is Nicolo and Damiano who held the fortress of Messina in 1299 for
Frederick II. Nicolo Palizzi had two sons Matteo Palizzi and Damiano Palizzi.
Damiano Palizzi was the lord of Assoro in the mid to late fourteenth century.
This fief originally was given before 1336 to Scoloro degli Uberti, a
relative of Farinata degli Uberti.
The identity of this Farinata degli Uberti is in question as it may be the
Farinata degli Uberti was fought with Frederick II in 1299 and not the one made
famous by Dante in the Inferno.
Scoloro degli Uberti, count of Assoro had a daughter Anna who married
Frederico Branciforte, 3rd Barone of Mazzarina.
Matteo Palizzi possessed Novara, Tripi and Saponara in 1353. He left a
daughter Lucca Palizzi who married first Sanchiolo de Aragon and had a son Matteo
de Aragon who died sp bef. 1364. In 1364 Militello passed to Sanchiolo's
brother Vinciguerra de Aragon who became Baron of Militello. Lucca then married
Giovanni d'Alagona, who became jure uxoris Count of Novarra. They had one
daughter Beatrice d'Alagona who married who Guglielmo Raimondo Moncada e Peralta.
They had four children: Giovanni Moncada, Barone of Tripi and Saponara, Isabel,
Eleanora who married another Vinciguerra de Aragon and Matteo Moncada, Count
of Aosta.
Lucca Palizzi left a will in 1414 recorded by the notary Giacomo de Guirerio
on July 6, 1414. She left property to her grandson Giovanni Moncada, who she
refers to as the first born son
of Guglielmo Raimondo Moncada e Peralta and Beatrice d'Alagona e Palizzi,
with reservations to Isabella and Eleanora, wife of Vinciguerra de Aragon, who
were his sisters.
The lands of Tripi and Saponara belonged to Lucca Palizzi's father Matteo
Palizzi and in this manner came into the Moncada family.
There are several questions here that need to be addressed.
1. How is Vinciguerra Palizzi related to Nicolo and Damiano Palizzi who
fought at Messina in 1299?
2. Whose daughter is Donna Lucca Palizzi that married Giovanni Chiaramonte
ca. 1299?
3. What is the ancestry of Scoloro degli Uberti, Count of Assoro and is he
connected to the Palizzi family through marriage?
4. What is the relationship of Giovanni d'Alagona, husband of Lucca Palizzi,
and Blasco d'Alagona, general of Frederick II?
5. What is the connection if any of Giovanna Doria, wife of Frederico de
Aragon, and Corrado Doria who fought for Frederick II and lost at Ponza in 1300?
Corrado Doria was the son of Oberto Doria and is the ancestor if a line of
Doria in Sicily. He was from the famous seafaring family that produced Lamba
Doria who was his uncle.
It appears that many of this illegitimate line were married off to daughters
of Frederick II's admirals during the war as a favor to the heroic men
involved.
Another note is that most of the lands possessed by the Palizzi family
originally belonged to Roger de Loria and were redistributed by Frederick II to his
commanders after the Peace of Caltabellotta.
Any additional information on these families would be welcomed.
MichaelAnne Guido
George Tsambourakis
Polizzi and Malcada Palizzi as Macalda Polizzi but that may be just a
spelling error.
The marriage with Helena Kantakouzinos is unknown to me.
Did Frederigo II marry Sibylla Sormella???
Vinciguetta had a son called Federigo who was Baron of Militello
I do not know of a second son called Bartolomeo
regards
Dr. George Tsambourakis
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Toormina, NSW-2452, Australia
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Francisco Antonio Doria
Corrado Doria is a sort of ``crossroads'' ancestor,
because of the many inner-family marriages of his
descendants, so that almost everybody who has Doria
blood is descended from him. The same of Bernabò di
Branca Doria.
I'll check for this Giovanna, but let me stress that
the Dorias were sort of second-class noblemen at that
time, and never made those exalted marriages. The only
out-of-Genoa marriages they made, as far as I can
tell, were with the Arborea clan. Royal marriages in
the Doria family only happen in the 17th century, in
the Doria-Pamphilj branch.
fa
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<The family you mentioned Palizzi is known to me from Greek records as
Polizzi and Malcada Palizzi as Macalda Polizzi but that may be just a
spelling error.
The marriage with Helena Kantakouzinos is unknown to me.
Did Frederigo II marry Sibylla Sormella???
Vinciguetta had a son called Federigo who was Baron of Militello
I do not know of a second son called Bartolomeo>
Sibylla Sormella was not married to Frederick II. Bert Kamp posted on this
last month
as follows:
<The Gran Enciclopedia Catalana vol 13, 1979, page 478/479 gives a
table of the kings of Sicily from the house of Aragon.
The table gives 4 bastards of Federigo by Sibilla de Sornella: Alfons,
Elionor, Sanç and Orland (catalan spelling, I suppose)..
The descendants of Orland, baron of Avola are given in another table
in vol 2, 1970, page 344. The ultimate heiress, Antonia, daughter of
Carles (first) Marquess of Avola and Giulia Alliata, married her first
cousin Francesco Tagliava Conte de Castelvetrano, son of Gian
Vincenzo Tagliava Conte de Castelvetrano by Beatriu d'Aragon.
These tables are by Armand de Fluvia.>
Sancho the other son was given Militello and married Malcalda Palizzi,
signoria di Cammarata. This is also given in GEC as is the line from Sancho. Where
Armaud de Fluvia found the information about the marriage of Bartolomeo de
Aragon and Helene Cantacuzena is not cited. Peter Stewart recently posted
several sources about the known Helene Cantacuzena's in that period none of which
married Bartolomeo de Aragon, Baron of Militello. Federigo de Aragon brother
of Bartolomeo de Aragon is also cited in GEC and supposedly also married the
same Helene Cantacuzena upon the death of his brother Bartolomeo de Aragon.
Possibly Armaud de Fluvia may have been working from a dispensation for the
marriage he found. Bartolomeo de Aragon had two daughters Comtessa de Aragon who
married Matteo Moncada, Count of Aosta, and Bartolomea de Aragon who married
Enrico di Ventimiglia, Count of Geraci. The marriage of Bartolomeo de Aragon
and Helene Cantacuzena is also cited in "The genealogy and heraldry of the noble
families of Malta" by Charles A. Gauci; Vol. II Table 29.
The daughter Eleanora de Aragon was married twice. First in 1313 to the Count
of Ampurias, Ponce di Maugalin and secondly to Raimondo Di Peralta, Count of
Caltabellotta.
Their daughter,Giovanna Peralta, married Matteo Moncada [grandfather to the
above mentioned Matteo Moncada] Count of Aderno and Aosta; her brother
Guglielmo Peralta married Luigia Sclafani, daughter of Matteo Sclafani and his second
wife who is unknown. Matteo Sclafani was married twice and by his first wife
had a daughter Margherita Sclafani who married Guglielmo Raimondo Moncada
[father of the Matteo Moncada who married Giovanna Peralta]. Matteo Sclafani was
the son of Antonio [also called Giovanni] Sclafani who married Margherita
Pellegrino, daughter of Luca Pelligrino and heiress of Aderno. It is through the
Moncada marriage to Margherita Sclafani that Aderno came into the Moncada
family.
These lines are very comingled making it complicated to find the exact
individuals. There is also a later Vinciguerra de Aragon who married Eleanora
Moncada who is named in her grandmother Lucca Palizzi's will. It is likely that
this Vinciguerra is the son of Federigo de Aragon, brother of Bartolomeo de
Aragon but I have no proof of whose son he is at the present time.
If you can help with the Cantacuzena line it would be greatly appreciated.
MichaelAnne Guido
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local documents in Militello refer to her as Giovanna d'Aurea. Frederick II
had a penchant for marrying this line to the family of his commanders. It may
have been to solidify his hold on Sicily at the time. The marriages to
Palizzi are also unusual as the family had no former marriages into the nobility.
It may have been that as these were the illegitimate children of Frederick II,
he used them as marriage pawns to secure his position. The same was true of
Henry I of England who married his illegitimate children to strengthen himself.
I respect your work on the Doria family and appreciate anything you can add
to this.
MichaelAnne Guido
Francisco Antonio Doria
Dear MichaelAnne,
I just answered out of the top of my mind. The Doria
were second-class nobility, of regional import, until
the time of Andrea Doria, whose brilliance then
extends family perspectives.
In the 13th-early 14th century they had mainly split
into two great lines, those that had fiefs in Sardinia
and the Genoese line of Lamba, Oberto, Niccolò and
Jacopo ``the Analyst.'' (There were other, minor lines
besides those.)
Let me take a look at Battilana and see if he refers
to this Doria - Aragón marriage. The Visconti marriage
in the 14th century was clearly seen as a family
upgrade, and the Visconti weren't even of ducal rank
at that time.
Best, fa
PS: Family name appears as Auria, de Auria, d'Oria,
and so on.
--- Claud...@aol.com escreveu: > Thank you for your
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George Tsambourakis
I know a person who has an interest in the Kantakouzinos family and collects
al sorts of information. I will ask him when he contacts me next.
There is also a book that nobody ever mentioned here put together by
Rizo-Rangabe some 80(?) years ago. There could be something in it.
I do not have a copy..
Dr. George Tsambourakis
10 Mills Crescent
Toormina, NSW-2452, Australia
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~Ford~
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Tsambourakis" <eachw...@bigpond.com.au>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, 21 March, 2004 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: Aragon/Palizzi/Doria/degli Uberti/ Sicilian Vespers and
aftermath
> Thanks, I was away for 6 months and I did not see it.
> I know a person who has an interest in the Kantakouzinos family and
collects
> al sorts of information. I will ask him when he contacts me next.
> There is also a book that nobody ever mentioned here put together by
> Rizo-Rangabe some 80(?) years ago. There could be something in it.
> I do not have a copy..
>
> Dr. George Tsambourakis
> 10 Mills Crescent
> Toormina, NSW-2452, Australia
> eachw...@bigpond.com.au
> www.users.bigpond.com/eachwaynet
> <Claud...@aol.com> wrote in message news:4f.3bd2250...@aol.com...
> > Dr. George Tsambourakis wrote:
If one is going to consult Rizo-Rhangabe, one might also want to consult
Sturdza, and Lecca, (for Phanariots, in general), as well as Laurent, and
Randa, (for the Cantacuzini, specifically).
Ford