SP Addition: ___ de Menteith, wife of Sir Alexander de Abernethy
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
In December 2003, I had conjectured that the wife of Sir
Alexander de Abernethy (d. ca. 1316) was an otherwise unidentified
daughter of Alexander, Earl of Menteith (d. ca. 1306) [1].
This was based largely on the evidence of various 14th
century dispensations.
In speaking with Andrew B. W. MacEwen this evening, he has
advised me that he has found conclusive evidence that the lady in
question was in fact a daughter of Earl Alexander of Menteith. He
further stated that her identification as ' Lady Margaret de
Abrenythy ', a lady of the court of Queen Isabella of England in
1311/1312 [2], is important, and most likely correct.
The evidence Andrew mentioned will be cited in a forthcoming
article, and cannot be divulged at this time for that reason.
However, he did extend permission to mention the existence of this
evidence to the newsgroup so that this identification can be noted
as correct.
A brief ahnentafel of the ancestry of Mary de Abernethy, one of
the daughters and coheirs of Sir Alexander, will be provided in a
followup post.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES:
[1] J. Ravilious, <The Ancestry of Mary Abernethy: a Menteith
Connection ?>, SGM, 5 December 2003:
[2] See J. Ravilious, <SP Addition: Margaret (__), wife of Sir
Alexander de Abernethy>, SGM, 24 August 2006.
* John P. Ravilious
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
Following is the promised AT [Part I] for Mary de Abernethy.
This would also be the same for her full sister Margaret, wife of
John Stewart, Earl of Angus.
Cheers,
John *
1 Mary de Abernethy.
died bef 19 Nov 1355.[1]
co-heiress of Abernethy[1]
Genealogics #I00116895[2]
her purparty included the baronies of Ballinbreich, co. Fife and
Cairney, co. Forfar (charters for Ballinbreich and Cairney given
to Sir Andrew de Leslie by King Robert I - Leslie p. 18[3])
"..indenture between Andrew de Leslie, son and heir of Norman de
Leslie, Chevalier, with the consent of Mary, his wife, as heiress
of the deceased Sir Alexander Abernethy, on the one part, and Sir
William Lindsay, Rector of Ayr, and Chamberlain of Scotland from
1312 to 1322, on the other part, whereby the said Sir Andrew
obliges himself to infeft Sir William Lindsay in twenty-four
merks land in the tenement of Cairney, to be held of the
granter [sic], dated 25th December 1316." [Leslie pp. 18-19[3],
cites Lindsay, vol. i p. 61[4], and Douglas's Peerage,
vol.ii p. 424[5] ]
dispensation from Pope John XXII, dated at Avignon, 4 Kal. Dec. [28
Nov.] 1324:
' To David de Lindesay and Mary daughter of Alexander de Abirnethine,
of the diocese of Glasgow. Dispensation to intermarry, they being
related in the fourth degree, and a former husband of Mary being
related to David in the same degree.' [CPL II:241[6]]
she m. lstly Sir Andrew Leslie,
2ndly David Lindsay
cf. SP III:10, sub _Lindsay, Earl of Crawford_[1]
SP VII:269, sub _Leslie, Earl of Rothes_[1]
aft 28 Nov 1324 Mary married Sir David de Lindsay.[6],[1]
2 Sir Alexander de Abernethy.
Born aft 1271.[7]
died ca 1316.
Lord of Abernethy
Genealogics #I00006284[2]
succeeded his father as a minor, 1292 (Alexander de Menteith appointed
guardian of the lands of Alexander de Abernethy by King John (Baliol),
1292 [Red Book of Menteith I:79[7], citing Acts of Parliaments of
Scotland i:447]
record of his heraldic seal:
' Alexander de Abernethi.
15,763. [A.D. 1292.] Sulph. cast from a good impression. 15/16 in.
[xlvii. 1090.]
An eagle displayed, charged on the breast with a shield of arms:
a lion rampant, debruised by a ribbon.
S : Alexandri : de : Abernethi .
Beaded borders. ' [Cat. Seals, p. 274, no. 15,763[9], cites
Laing's Catal., No. 80. ]
Warden of Scotland between Forth and the Mounth, Michaelmas 1293
(Barrow p. 226)[10]
'Alifaundre de Abrenethy', swore allegiance to King Edward I at
Berwick, 1296 [Ragman Roll[11] ]
' Alexander de abirnithin dominus de eadem ' , granted charter to
Coupar priory (dated ca. 1297-1304, witnessed by his uncle Malcolm
de Ergadia, John de Moravia and others) granting his land of
Kincrech in the barony of Lour, Inverarity parish (Angus) but
excluding his park of Inverarichte (Inverarity)
[Coupar I:143-5, No. LXV[12]]
' Alexandro de Abernethy [knight]', witness to charter of Sir John
de Kinross granting to his cousin Sir Walter de Lindsay of Thuriston
his lands of Littleperth, and others, dated at Perth, 1300
[Coupar I:149-150, No. LXVII[12]]
' sir Alisaundre de Habernithyn ', in opposition to King Edward
together with John Comyn, Earl of Buchan, John de Soules, Sir Simon
Fraser and Sir Herbert de Morham, Sept 1301 [letter of the keeper
of Lochmaben Castle to Edward I of England - Stevenson II:431[13],
cites original letter, Public Record Office]
came into the peace of King Edward of England, Oct 1303 or before
[order of King Edward I to John de Bretagne, dated at Westminster
16 Oct 1305, to repay the expenses of ' our dear and faithful
Alexander de Abernethy ' - "dilectus et fidelis noster Alexander
de Abernythy"] incurred since 29 Oct 1303 [Stevenson II:490[13],
cites Close Rolls 33 Edw. I, no. 4]
' monsieur Alexander d'Abernythy ', dispatched by Edward, Prince of
Wales ' with forty men-at-arms, into the parts of Strathearn and
Menteith, and towards Drypp', to complete the guard which is
appointed there in those parts ', before 2 Mar 1303/4 [letter of
King Edward I to the Prince of Wales, dated at Inverkeithing, 2
Mar 1303/4 - Stevenson II:166-7, no. 631[13], cites original in PRO]
C 47/22/7/7
Writ of privy seal from Edward I in St Andrews to Alexander de
Abernithi, guardian of Scotland between the mountains and the
sea, to release the lands of Alexander de Balliol of Cavers,
1304 Mar 21 [National Archives, Records created, acquired, and
inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household,
Exchequer and various commissions[14] ]
order of King Edward I to John de Bretagne, dated at Westminster
16 Oct 1305, to repay the expenses of ' our dear and faithful
Alexander de Abernethy ' ["dilectus et fidelis noster Alexander
de Abernythy"] incurred since 29 Oct 1303 [Stevenson II:490[13],
cites Close Rolls 33 Edw. I, no. 4]
supporter of King Edward I of England in his claims over Scotland:
petitioner for the lands of William Murray, Alan Murray and of
Robert the Bruce (lands north of the Forth) declared forfeit by
Edward I, 1306 [Barrow, p. 447[10]]
sought pardon for Alan de Clavering, granted by King Edward I at
Wolvesey, 27 April 1306:
' Pardon, at the instance of Patrick de Dunbar, earl of March,
Ingram de Umframvill, John de Moubray and Alexander de Abernithi,
to Alan de Clavering, in consideration of the service of Robert
son of Roger, for the death of Roger de Clavering his brother.
By p.s. ' [CPR 34 Edw. I, mem. 26, p. 430[15]]
' Dominis Alexandro de Abirnethyn ', witness (together with Sir
John de Inchmartin, Sir Thomas de Hay and others) to a charter
of Sir Gilbert de Hay of Errol of the advowson of the church of
Fossoway to Coupar priory, dated 1305x1309 [Coupar I:184-5,
No. LXXXV[12]]
' [Lord] alexandro de Abirnethy [knight]', witness (together
with David, Earl of Athol, Sir William de Montfichet, Roger de
Mortimer and others) to a charter of Michael de Miggil granting
free passage through his lands to Coupar priory,
dated 1306x1317 - but most likely between 1307 and 1312
[Coupar I:190-191, No. LXXXVIII[12]]
" 1310, 28 Mar. To John de Crumbwell, constable of the Tower
of London. Order to release Alexander, son of Alexander de Balliolo,
lord of Caures, from prison there, as his father , and Alexander
Abernithy, Philip de Lyndeseye and John de Lyndeseye have mainperned
before the King under penalty of their lives and limbs, lands,
etc., that he will be faithful to the King for his lifetime, as
contained in their letters patent in the King's wardrobe. "
[Linzee pp. 294-5, cites Close Rolls][16]
held the town of Dundee for King Edward II of England,
23 June 1311 - 31 July 1312:
' 283. Sir Alexander de Abernethy a prest by the hands of the
collectors of customs at Newcastle-on-Tyne, to account of his
fee for keeping the town of Dundee between the vigil of St. John
Baptist (23rd June) 1311, and the vigil of St. Peter ad vincula
5th year (31st July) following, 186l. [Bain III:56[17], cites
fol. 51b., Exchequer, Q. R. Miscellanea (Wardrobe), No. 20/4]
' lady Margaret de Abrenythy ', evidently his wife, lady of the
court of Isabella of France, Queen of England, 1311/12[18]
he was on an embassy to the Pope for King Edward II, accredited by
letter dated 6 August 1312:
' 284. The K. accredits to the Pope his (the Pope's) nephew Bertrand
de Salviaco count of Campania, Sir Alexander de Abernythy knight,
and Master Walter de Maydenstane, on some arduous matters specially
touching himself and his honour, which they will expound to his
Holiness viva voce. Dover. ' [Bain III:56[17], cites French
and Roman Roll, 4-10 Edw. II. m. 19., in Foedera II:175]
record of a grant to Sir John de Wemyss, confirmed in a charter
of King Robert III, dated 16 Oct 1392:
No. 53 - confirmation to John de Weemes, knight, of certain lands;
' and also the lands of Kyncaldrum, whilks Alexander de Abernethy
conveyed to John de Wemys, Knight, grandfather of the said
John;... ' [Robertson's Index, p. 158, no. 53[19]; text in
Fraser, Wemyss II:29, no. 21[20]]
Sir Alexander married NN de Menteith.
3 NN de Menteith.
daughter of Alexander, Earl of Menteith (conjectured by John
Ravilious, 5 Dec 2003[21], based in part on the dispensation for
her daughter Margaret's marriage to John Stewart (related in the 4th
degree - Papal Letters II:283[6])[21])
this identification stated by Andrew B. W. MacEwen as proved,
26 Nov 2006 [22], [23]]
most likely the same individual as ' lady Margaret de Abrenythy ',
lady of the court of Isabella of France, Queen of England, 1311/12[18]
4 Sir Hugh de Abernethy.
died bef 1293 in Douglas castle (d. a prisoner).[1]
Lord of Abernethy
an indenture is dated Palm Sunday 1259, between Sir William de
Douglas and Sir Hugh de Abernethy for the marriage of his son Hugh
de Douglas and Sir Hugh's sister Marjory [SP VII:399[1]]
'Hugh de Abyrnethine', received grant of £ 20 lands in Aberfoyle,
Menteith from Isabella, (deprived) countess of Menteith, before
Jan 1261/2 [Red Book of Menteith I:37, II:213, citing grant in
Douglas charter chest[7] ]
' Hugone de Abbirnythyn ', witness (together with Alexander Comyn,
earl of Buchan and justiciar of Scotia, Patrick, earl of Dunbar,
Aymer de Maxwell the chamberlain, and Walter the steward) to a
charter of King Alexander III granting a yearly market 'at the
feast of St. John the Baptist, lasting for fifteen following days'
to the Burgh of Ayr, dated at Traquair, 12 Dec 1261
[Chart. Ayr pp. 18-19, No. 11[24]]
' Hugone de Abrnicthyn ', witness to confirmation charter of King
Alexander III to Coldstream priory [together with Patrick, Earl of
Dunbar and John Comyn], dated at Roxburgh, 3 May 1263 [Coldstream
chartulary, pp. 47-8, no. III[25]]
' Hugone de Abirnithin', witness [together with William Comyn of
Kilbride] to a charter of King Alexander III to the monks of
Melrose, 21 Jul 1264 [Innes, Melrose II:273[26]; also Dickinson,
p. 115[27]]
had a grant of the barony of Lour, including Kincrech, in Inverarity
parish, Angus 1265 [Coupar I:144, note to No. LXV[12]]
' Hugh de Abrinithyn ', witness to a royal confirmation by
Alexander III, King of Scots of a grant by 'Reginald Prath knight
made to William de Swyneburn for his homage and service of the lands
of Haluchton', dated at Jeddewrth, 1st May in the 18th year of his
reign [1 May 1267] -A2A, Northumberland Record Office: Swinburne
(Capheaton) estate records [ZSW/1 - ZSW/59], ZSW/1/22[28]
charter of Alexander III, confirming grant by Patrick, earl of Dunbar
of his manor and appurtenances of Laynall, witnessed by Hugh de
Berkeley, justiciar of Lothian, Hugh de Abernethy, Alexander de
Baliol of Cavers, Alexander de Vaux, and others
[" Testibus Hugone de Berkeley justiciario Llaudonie. Hugone
de Habirnyth. Alexandro de Balliolo de Caueres...."],
dated 21 June 1270 [Coldstream chartulary, pp. 40-41, no. 56[25]]
3rd husband of Mary of Argyll:
' Sir Hugh got a dispensation for his marriage with her in
April 1281. The date at which he actually married her cannot have
been later than 1275, as it is stated in the dispensation that he
had 'several' sons by her. ' [SP VII:400-1[1]]
~ dispensation for 'Hugonis de Abirnithin....quod quarto
consanguinitatis gradu delicte in Christo filie nobili mulieri
Marie usori sui...' dated 7 April 1281, by Pope Martin IV [Vetera
Monumenta p. 125, No. CCLXXVII[29]]
Duncan, Earl of Fife
' was murdered at Petpollock on 25 September 1288 by Sir Patrick
Abernethy and Sir Walter Percy. Sir Andrew Moray of Bothwell
seized Percy and Sir Hugh Abernethy, the real instigator. Percy
was executed, and Sir Hugh Abernethy condemned to perpetual
imprisonment in the castle of Douglas, where he died. Sir
Patrick Abernethy made his escape to France, and died there. '
[SP IV:11[1], cites Hist. Doc. Scot., i. 69; Rotuli Scot., i. 2.]
" Hugo de Abernyth ' ", wrote a letter to King Edward I of England
seeking his intercession with the Pope (possibly sent from prison),
ca. 1288 [Stevenson I:69, no. XLIX[13]]
__________________
' domini Hugonis patris nostri ', charter of his son Sir Alexander
de Abernethy (dated ca. 1297-1304) granting his land of Kincreche
in the barony of Lur to Coupar priory [Coupar I:143-5, No. LXV[12]]
~ correction of his parentage (grandson, not son of Laurence de
Abernethy) by Andrew B. W. MacEwen[30]
ca 1271 Sir Hugh married Mary mac Dubhgaill.
5 Mary mac Dubhgaill. Mary died bef Jan 1304.[31],[1]
Queen of the Isle of Man
dispensation for 'Hugonis de Abirnithin....quod quarto consanguinitatis
gradu delicte in Christo filie nobili mulieri Marie usori sui...'
dated 7 April 1281, by Pope Martin IV [Vetera Monumenta p. 125, No.
CCLXXVII[29]]
' Lady Marie, Queen of Man and Countess Dowager of Strathearn ',
performed homage to King Edward I of England, 24 Jan 1290/1291
[ 'Man, Marie la Reyne de (del counte de Perth).'[10]; Cowan p.
75[32]]
' Hugh de Abernethy died before 3d September 1296, as, on that date,
we find that King Edward I. of England ordered the sheriff of Forfar
to repone Maria, quae fuit uxor Hugonis de Abernethy, in her lands. '
[Leslie p. 37, Note A[3]]
cf. Chart. Inchaffray, lxiv[31]
SP VIII:246[1]
she m. lstly Magnus of Man,
2ndly Malise, Earl of Strathearn,
3rdly Sir Hugh Abernethy,
4th William FitzWarin[1]
6 Alexander de Menteith.
died ca 1306.[10]
Occupation: Earl of Menteith.
Earl of Menteith
Genealogics #I00177652[2]
'Alexander ', together with his father and brother, entered into a
bond with Robert de Brus, Walter, earl of Menteith and others at
Turnberry, 20 Sept 1286 'to adhere to the party of Richard de Burgh,
earl of Ulster and Sir Thomas de Clare ' [Red Book of Menteith
II: 219-220, citing Historical Docs. Scotland, i:22[7] ]
' Alisaundre Monetehe ', one of the barons of Scotland attending
the Parliament at Brigham who confirmed the Treaty of Salisbury
with England, 14 Mar 1289/90 [Stevenson I:129-130, No. XCII[13]]
' Meneteth (Meinteth), Dominus Alexander filius comitis de.' - swore
allegiance to King Edward I at Berwick, together with his father,
1291 [Ragman Roll[11] ]
appointed guardian of the lands of Alexander de Abernethy by King
John (Baliol), 1292 [Red Book of Menteith I:79[7] ]
' Alexandro de Menetheht ', witness (together with his brother John)
to charter of his father, ' Walterus Sen[escalli], comes de Mentheht
',
which granted the church of Kylmachornat in Knapdale to the monastery
of Kilwinning, ca. 1290 [Fraser, Red Book of Menteith II:220-221, no.
13]
evidently the Earl of Menteith who resisted John de Warenne, earl of
Surrey at Dunbar, April 1296 [Barrow p. 101[10]; Cowan p. 95[32] ]
' Meneteth, comes de, Dominus Alexander (Alifandre comte de Meneteth).
'
- swore allegiance to King Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296
[Ragman Roll[11] ]
Note: his father d. in 1295; his seal [ ' S' Walteri Senescalli comit'
de Menetet '] used, apparently by his son Alexander, at Berwick, 28
August 1296 [MacAndrew, p. 706[33] ]
record of his heraldic seal, from the Berwick document:
' STEWART or MENTEITH, Alexander, sixth Earl of Menteith, succeeded
c. 1295, died before 1306, son of Walter, fifth Earl.
A shield of arms: Three bars wavy surmounted of a fess chequy with
a label of five points in chief. The shield supported on the breast
of an eagle displayed. Legend (caps.):
S' ALEXANDRI COMITIS DE MENETETH.
Diam. 1 1/16 in. Record Off. detached seal 30, Homage, A.D. 1296,
Bain, ii. pl. ii. fig. 10. Laing, i. 785. B.M. 16927-8 [A.D. 1296].
indistinct. Red Book of Menteith, ii. 461, fig. 2. '
[Stevenson, II:601[34]]
Alexander married Matilda.
7 Matilda.
Genealogics #I00177652[2]
[ to be continued: see Part II ]
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
In December 2003, I had conjectured that the wife of Sir
Alexander de Abernethy (d. ca. 1316) was an otherwise unidentified
daughter of Alexander, Earl of Menteith (d. ca. 1306) (copy of post
below) [1]. This was based largely on the evidence of various 14th
century dispensations.
In speaking with Andrew B. W. MacEwen this evening, he has
advised me that he has found conclusive evidence that the lady in
question was in fact a daughter of Earl Alexander of Menteith. He
further stated that her identification as ' Lady Margaret de
Abrenythy ', a lady of the court of Queen Isabella of England in
1311/1312 [2], is important, and most likely correct.
The evidence Andrew mentioned will be cited in a forthcoming
article, and cannot be divulged at this time for that reason.
However, he did extend permission to mention the existence of this
evidence to the newsgroup so that this identification can be noted
as correct.
A brief ahnentafel of the ancestry of Mary de Abernethy, one of
the daughters and coheirs of Sir Alexander, will be provided in a
followup post.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES:
[1] J. Ravilious, <The Ancestry of Mary Abernethy: a Menteith
Connection ?>, SGM, 5 December 2003:
" Hello All,
In a recent thread on SGM [1] I reviewed the 1346 dispensation
for the marriage of Sir James de Lindsay, Lord of Crawford (d. bef
11 Nov 1358) and his wife Egidia Stewart, daughter of Walter the
Stewart and half-sister to King Robert II. As I noted then, the
account in SP states,
' A papal dispensation for this marriage was granted at
Avignon 3 Ides of April 1346, which describes the
spouses as within the third and fourth degree on the
father's side, and in the fourth degree on the mother's.
A strong inference thus arises that Sir James' grandmother,
wife of Sir Alexander, was daughter to the Steward.' [2]
In that thread, I showed why the traditional view of a Stewart
descent for Sir James Lindsay on the paternal side was in error;
however, I noted that the alleged 4th degree (maternal) relationship
between Sir James Lindsay and Egidia Stewart still required further
study.
I have developed a hypothesis that provides a resolution for
this problem:
1. That Matilda, wife of Alexander, Earl of Menteith (d. 1306)
was the daughter (otherwise unidentified) of Malise, Earl of
Strathearn (d. bef 23 Nov 1271) by his 2nd wife Matilda of
Orkney (short of evidence here, but the chronology and
onomastics work); and,
2. That the wife of Sir Alexander Abernethy, and mother of his
daughters Mary (wife of David Lindsay - d. 1357 - mother of
the previous subject Sir James Lindsay) and Margaret (wife
of Sir John Stewart of Bonkil, later Earl of Angus),
unidentified in the SP account, was a daughter of the above
Alexander of Menteith and his wife Matilda of Strathearn.
No such daughters are identified in Strathearn or Menteith
sources I'm aware of; however, I note that Alexander, Earl of
Menteith was appointed guardian of the lands of Alexander de
Abernethy by King John (Baliol) in 1292 following the death of
his father [3]. For the Earl of Menteith to have married his
young ward to his own daughter would certainly have been typical
of the age.
If this pair of conjectures is correct (and I stress the
conjectural nature of this post), it would provide the answer
to several relationships hitherto unresolved. The conjectured
connections are denoted by broken lines [ _ _ _ _ ], or
conjectured individuals denoted by questionmarks (e.g.,
[of Strathearn ?]).
A. Sir James de Lindsay, Lord of Crawford and his wife Egidia
Stewart ["fourth degree on the mother's {side}."], discussed
above:
1) Marjorie = Malise, Earl of = 2) Matilda of
de Muschamp I Strathearn (d.ca.1271) I Orkney
I I_ _ _ _
I I
Sir Nicholas = Mary of Alexander = Matilda [of
Graham I Strathearn E of Menteith I Strathearn ?]
d. 1306 I d. 1322 d. ca. 1306 I _ _ _
I I
I I
Sir John Graham Sir Alexander Abernethy = NN [of
d. 1337 d. ca. 1316 I Menteith ?]
I I
I I
Walter = 2) Isabel David Lindsay = Mary Abernethy
Stewart I Graham of Crawford I
I_______________ _________I
I I
Egidia = Sir James Lindsay
B. David Lindsay of Crawford (d. bef 13 Oct 1357) and his wife
Mary Abernethy, parents of the above Sir James Lindsay [4].
The hypothetical descents shown include the theorized Stewart-
Lindsay descent from the prior referenced post, and the
conjectured Menteith-Strathearn descent for Abernethy
proposed above.
Walter le Steward = Beatrix of Angus
d. 1241 I
_______________________I_______
I I
Alexander le = Jean of Walter le Steward = Mary of
Steward I Bute Earl of Menteith I Menteith
_ _ _ I ___________________I
I I
NN = NN le Alexander = Matilda [of
I Steward E of Menteith I Strathearn ?]
I _ _ _ _ d. ca. 1306 I _ _ _
I I
I I
Sir Alexander = NN Sir Alexander Abernethy = NN [of
Lindsay I I Menteith ?]
I ____________I
I I
David Lindsay = Mary Abernethy
C. Sir John Stewart of Bonkil, Earl of Angus and his wife
Margaret Abernethy. Dispensation for their marriage was
issued at Avignon in October 1329: "Verum quia estis in
quarto consanguinitatis gradu conjuncti matrimonium..." [5].
Walter le Steward = Beatrix of Angus
d. 1241 I
_______________________I_______
I I
Alexander le = Jean of Walter le Steward = Mary of
Steward I Bute Earl of Menteith I Menteith
________________I ___________________I
I I
John le Steward = Margaret Alexander = Matilda [of
k. 1298 I of Bonkil E of Menteith I Strathearn ?]
___________I d. ca. 1306 I _ _ _
I I
I I
Sir Alexander = NN Sir Alexander Abernethy = NN [of
Stewart of I I Menteith ?]
Bonkil I ____________I
I I
Sir John Stewart = Margaret Abernethy
Earl of Angus
The foregoing, if validated, would impact the ancestry of the
subsequent Lindsays, Earls of Crawford and of the Stewart and
Douglas Earls of Angus, and thereby of the ancestry of a
goodly number of individuals. This would also include the earlier
generations of the ancestry of King Charles II (the current project
of Neil Thompson and Charles M. Hansen). If direct evidence can be
found to support (or supplant) the identifications conjectured
above, other unknown relationships may well be resolved.
Any relevant documentation (pro or con), comment or criticism
of the foregoing is welcome.
Cheers,
John * '
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
Following is Part II of the ahnentafel for Mary de Abernethy.
Cheers,
John
8 Patrick de Abernethy.
died bef 1244 in d.v.p.[30]
eldest son (d.v.p.)
' Patricio de Abbirnithin ' , witness (together with William fitz
Alan the Steward, Justiciar of Scotland, his father Laurence de
Abernethy, Patrick son of Earl Patrick (of Dunbar), David de
Lindsay, and others) to a charter on behalf of Balemerino priory,
dated at Selkirk, 10 Feb 1231/2 [Misc. Scot. Hist. Soc. VIII:8-9,
no. II[35]]
re: Laurence de Abernethy, Leslie wrote:
' He gave the Canons of the priory of St. Andrews ten shillings
yearly, payable out of Ballinbreich, with the consent of Sir Patrick
Abernethy, his son and heir, about 1230. Sir Patrick's son, Hugh de
Abernethy, possessed great influence previous to and during the reign
of Alexander III., about 1260.' [Leslie p. 37, Note A[3]]
his identification by Andrew B. W. MacEwen[30]
Patrick married NN.
10 Ewen mac Dubhgaill.
died aft 1268.[36]
Occupation: king of the Isles.
lord of Lorn
sailed to Hakon, king of Norway in 1248, together with Dougal mac
Ruairi, where
' they both endeavoured after this, that the king should give them
the title of king over the northern part of the Hebrides.'
Ewen received the title of 'king of the isles' from King Hakon
ordered by King Hakon in 1249 to
' go west as quickly as possible, and be [the ruler] over the
islands,
until another plan be made for them ' following the death of
Harald, king of Man in Sept. 1248 [McDonald p. 98-99, cites
ES ii, pp. 554-5[36]]
vassal of the King of Norway, and of Scotland;
opted for Scotland as overlord (over Norway), following
the Battle of Largs, 1263[36]
'Eugenius de Ergadia', witness to a charter of his daughter and
son in law Earl Malise to Inchaffray, dated at Crieff, 1268
[Chart. Inchaffray, lxiv[31]]
possibly the same as the charter of ' Malisius comes de Strathyrn ',
who granted 'sex marcis de Abircarnich' to Inchaffray, 1258 x 1271
[witnessed by Robert, bishop of Dunblane (succeeded 1258/9), 'domino
Eugenio de Argadia . domino M. auunculo nostro. ' and others]
- Reg. Inchaffray pp. 32-33, no. 35[37]]
' Eogan moir mic Donchadh mic Dubhgaill micSomairli ' [ Ewen mor son
of Duncan son of Dougall son of Somerled ] - Genealach Mac Dubhgaill,
from the Senchus Fer nAlban[38]
12 Walter le Steward.
died bef 28 Apr 1296, he was 77.[10],[39],[1]
Born in 1219.[32]
Buried in Inchmahome priory, Menteith.[40]
Occupation: Earl of Menteith.
Earl of Menteith de jure uxoris
3rd son
' Walter le Senescallus ', one of the Regents of Scotland and
guardians of Alexander III, appointed 20 September 1255[41]
'Walterus Senescallus comes de Menethe ', together with his sons
Alexander and John, entered into a bond with Robert de Brus, Walter,
earl of Menteith and others at Turnberry, 20 Sept 1286 'to adhere
to the party of Richard de Burgh, earl of Ulster and Sir Thomas de
Clare ' [Red Book of Menteith II: 219-220, citing Historical Docs.
Scotland, i:22[7] ]
' Gauter de Menetehe ', one of the Earls of Scotland attending the
Parliament at Brigham, which confirmed the Treaty of Salisbury with
England, 14 Mar 1289/90 [Stevenson I:129-130, No. XCII[13]]
' Walterus Sen[escalli], comes de Mentheht ', granted the church of
Kylmachornat in Knapdale to the monastery of Kilwinning, for the
salvation of his own soul and of his late wife Mary, countess of
Menteith [ "pro salute anime mee et domine Marie quondam sponse
mee, comitisse de Menetheht" ] , witnessed by Sir John Stewart,
Sir John de Soulis, Sir Andrew Kras', Sir Ingram de H'nkawille
[Umfraville ?], Sir Reginald de Crawford, and his sons Alexander
and John, ca. 1290 - Fraser, Red Book of Menteith II:220-221, no.
13[7]
supporter of Bruce the Competitor for the Scots crown, 1291
(Barrow p. 388)[10]:
'Walter, earl of Menteith', one of the auditors for the claim of Bruce
at Berwick, 2 June 1292 [Crawfurd p. 20[42] ]
' Meneteth (Meinteth), comes de, Walterus, (Wautier comte de
Meinteth). ' - swore allegiance to King Edward I at Berwick,
1291 [Ragman Roll[11] ]
' Terra Comitis de Menteth de Knapedal ', his lands in Knapdale
included
in the Sheriffdom of Lorne under the ordinance of 1293
[Campbell p. 45[43]]
d. in 1295; his seal [ ' S' Walteri Senescalli comit' de Menetet ']
used
apparently by his son at Berwick, 28 August 1296 [MacAndrew, p.
706[33] ]
Walter married Mary of Menteith.
13 Mary of Menteith.
died bef 1286.[7]
Occupation: Countess of Menteith.
younger daughter[1]
she predeceased her husband, before 1290 (possibly before 1286):
' Walterus Sen[escalli], comes de Mentheht ', granted the church of
Kylmachornat in Knapdale to the monastery of Kilwinning, for the
salvation of his own soul and of his late wife Mary, countess of
Menteith [ "pro salute anime mee et domine Marie quondam sponse mee,
comitisse de Menetheht" ] , ca. 1290 - Fraser,
Red Book of Menteith II:220-221, no. 13
16 Laurence de Abernethy. Laurence died ca 1244.[44]
lord of Abernethy
Genealogics #I00404067[2]
' Laurencius filius Orm de Abirnythyn', granted a charter (witnessed
by Archibald, abbot of Dunfermline, Earl Duncan of Fife, Earl Gilbert
of Strathearn, William Comyn and others) to the monks of Arbroath of
the advowson of the church of Abernethy, with appurtenances [confirmed
by King William], 1198 or before * [Jamieson, p. 364[45],
from Regist. Aberbroth. I. Fol. 49, b. 50,
a. Macfarl. MS. I. p. 121, -123.]
{* Archibald was abbot of Dunfermline, 1178-1198. This charter was
witnessed during that same period.}
'Laurencio de Abernithie' witness to charter of Malcolm, son of Earl
Duncan of Fife, to the nuns of North Berwick ante 1199 [Misc. Scot.
His. Soc. IV:308-9[46]]
'Laurencius de Abernethe', witness to agreement between Maelmure, earl
of Menteith and his brother and successor Maelmure Og, 6 Dec 1213
[Red Book of Menteith II:214, citing inspeximus of Henry III of
England dated 20 Sept 1261[7] ]
' laurentio de Abbirnithin' , witness (together with Walter fitz Alan
the Steward, Justiciar of Scotland, Patrick son of Earl Patrick
(of Dunbar), David de Lindsay, his son Patrick de Abernethy, and
others) to a charter on behalf of Balemerino priory, dated at
Selkirk, 10 Feb 1231/2 [Misc. Scot. Hist. Soc. VIII:8-9, no. II[35]]
' On 23 June 1233 King Alexander II confirmed to [Laurence de
Abernethy] that land in the royal castle of Roxburgh quitclaimed
by the King's nephew William, son of the Earl (of Dunbar).'
[SP VII:398[1], cites Adv. Lib. MS. 35.4.16, p. 175]
'Laurentio de Abbirnithin', witness to confirmation by charter of
King Alexander II of an exchange of lands by Malcolm, thane of
Callendar (also witnessed by William fitz Alan the Steward,
Justiciar of Scotland, Walter Comyn, Henry de Stirling son of
the Earl, and others) at Scone, 30 June 1233 [Fraser I:122-3, No.
3[47]]
granted land to the monks of Balmerinach, on or after 11 Feb. 1233/4:
' "Laurentius de Abernethie, son of Orm", says Keith, "gave Corbie,
called also Birkhil, from a park of birks [birches] surrounding the
house, to this monastery [of Balmerinach;] and in his charter is
expressed the reason of his donation, viz. Because queen Emergarda
dying 3tio. Id. Februarij, anno 1233, and being buried in the church
of Balmerinach, ante magnum altare, had by her testament left him
200 merks sterling." ' [Jamieson p. 128[45], cites Catalogue, p. 259]
' Laurence de Abernethy' , witness [together with Patrick, earl
of Dunbar, Malcolm, earl of Fife, Malisse, earl of Strathearn,
Walter Cumin of Menteith, William, earl of Mar, Alexander, earl
of Buchan, David de Hastings, earl of Athol, Robert de Bruce,
Alan Durward, Henry de Balliol, Roger de Mowbray, Laurence de
Abernethy, Richard Cumin, David de Lindsey, William de Lindsey,
David de Graham, and others] to confirmation by Alexander II of
his treaty with England, 1244 [Anderson p. 355[44], cites Matthew
Paris, Chronica Majora, IV:381-5]
re: Laurence de Abernethy, Leslie wrote:
' He gave the Canons of the priory of St. Andrews ten shillings
yearly, payable out of Ballinbreich, with the consent of Sir
Patrick Abernethy, his son and heir, about 1230. Sir Patrick's
son, Hugh de Abernethy, possessed great influence previous to and
during the reign of Alexander III., about 1260.' [Leslie p. 37, Note
A]
Laurence married Dervorguilla of Galloway.
17 Dervorguilla of Galloway.
her identification as daughter of Uhtred of Galloway by Andrew
B. W. MacEwen[30]
Genealogics #I00116896[2]
20 Duncan mac Dubhgaill.
died aft Sep 1244.[44],[36]
Occupation: king of the Isles.
lord of Argyll and Lorn c. 1244
recorded as a donor to St. Cuthbert's, Durham with his father,
and brothers Olaf and Ranald [DLV p. 4[48],[36]]
witness to a charter to Paisley abbey, ca. 1224
founder of the priory of Ardchattan on Loch Etive, ca. 1230
- granted lands in Benderloch, possibly Appin and Nether Lorn
[McDonald p. 93[36]; also Duffy, pp. 41-42[49]]
allied with Alan of Galloway against Olaf of Man, 1229/1230
[Oram p. 128[50]]
defeated by Gillespie mac Dubhgal (his brother) and Olaf of Man,
May 1230 [Gillespie wounded in attack on Rothesay; d. in Kintyre[50]]
'Donnchadh mac Dubhghaill', one of the Scots barons [together with
John Bisset 'the younger'] who wrote to the Pope re: the minority
of King Alexander III, 1244[49]:
' Duncan de Argyll ' , together with Patrick, earl of Dunbar, Malcolm,
earl of Fife, Malisse, earl of Strathearn, Walter Cumin of Menteith,
William, earl of Mar, Alexander, earl of Buchan, David de Hastings,
earl of Athol, Robert de Bruce, Alan Durward, Henry de Balliol,
Roger de Mowbray, Laurence de Abernethy, Richard Cumin, David de
Lindsey, William de Lindsey, David de Graham, and others, addressed
letter to Pope Innocent IV in support of confirmation by Alexander
II of his treaty with England, 1244 [Anderson pp. 355-7[44], cites
Matthew Paris, Chronica Majora, IV:381-5]
builder of Dunstaffnage Castle, with his son Ewen
possibly the 'MacSomhairle..king of Airer-Goidel' slain in Ireland,
1247 [McDonald p. 94[36]]. Duffy believes this was his cousin,
Ruadhri [p. 47[49]]
' Donchadh mic Dubhgaill mic Somairli ' [ Duncan son of Dougall son
of Somerled ] - Genealach Mac Dubhgaill, from the Senchus Fer
nAlban[38]
cf. McDonald, pp. 93-94[36]
Oram p. 128[50]
Duffy, pp. 41-42[49]
24 Walter le Steward.
died in 1241.[1]
Occupation: seneschal and justiciar of Scotia.
steward of Scotland
appointed Justiciar of Scotland by King Alexander II, 1230
negotiated the 2nd marriage of Alexander II (to Marie de Coucy),
1239 [SP I:12[1] ]
Walter married B____.
25 B____.
identified as " B___" [possibly ' Bethoc ' ]
identification based on original research of Andrew B. W. MacEwen[55]
identified in Scots Peerage, and widely accepted, as 'probably
Beatrix of Angus' [SP I:12[1]]
26 Maelmure 'Og' of Menteith.
died in 1230.[32]
Occupation: Earl of Menteith.
Earl of Menteith
recognized as heir by his elder brother Maelmure, who resigned his
earldom to King William, 6 Dec 1213,
' et dominus rex eundem comitatum reddidit Mauricio juniori sicut
jus suum '. Witnesses included Gilbert, Earl of Strathearn. [Red
Book of Menteith II:214, citing inspeximus of Henry III of England
dated 20 Sept 1261[7] ]
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John P. Ravilious wrote:
> Sunday, 26 November, 2006
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>>>>>>>> SNIP <<<<<<<<<<<<<
WJho...@aol.com
writes:
<< ' Donchadh mic Dubhgaill mic Somairli ' [ Duncan son of Dougall son
of Somerled ] - Genealach Mac Dubhgaill, from the Senchus Fer
nAlban[38] >>
Thanks John, I'm now in the ranks of the descendents of Somerled.
Where do I send my check to get my membership card :)
Will
Doug McDonald
I will do just fine :-) (not seriously)
Doug McDonald
steven perkins
First you have to buy the music album, Sons of Somerled,
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Regards,
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actually a descendent from Somerlad by three of his children. So my DNA must be at
least three billionths Somerladish.
Will Johnson
John P. Ravilious
Dear Will,
Glad to hear you saved yourself some serious sterling, courtesy
of your existing membership (as a Son of Somerled, that is).
One quibble (or a third of one, anyway) with your last message.
Dougal (or Dubhgall) and Reginald (also Raghnall, or Ranald) are
two sons of Somerled who have known descendants to the present day:
there is a outstanding error in most versions of the Stewart
pedigree that gives Alexander the Stewart (d. 1283) a wife, "Jean of
Bute", allegedly a descendant of Somerled by his son Angus. There
is no evidence that supports this statement in Scots Peerage, but
it has found it's way into almost every Stewart pedigree as a
result. I have corrected one of my 2003 charts (below) to show
the 'correct' spouses (known and NN, or unknown), in this case
showing the relationship between David Lindsay of Crawford (d. bef
13 Oct 1357) and his wife Mary Abernethy, "they being related in
the fourth degree " [CPL II:241]. The one remaining conjectural
link is shown as _ _ _ _ _ .
Walter le Steward = B____
d. 1241 I
_______________________I_______
I I
Alexander le = Joan Walter le Steward = Mary of
Steward I [Johanna] Earl of Menteith I Menteith
_ _ _ I _________________I
I I
NN = NN le Alexander = Matilda [of
I Steward E of Menteith I Strathearn ?]
I _ _ _ _ d. ca. 1306 I___________
I I
I I
Sir Alexander = NN Sir Alexander Abernethy = NN of
Lindsay I I Menteith
I ____________I
I I
David Lindsay = Mary Abernethy
There is a charter of James the Steward to Melrose abbey
granting lands in Innerwick, ' for the salvation of the souls of
lord Alexander our dear father and lady Johanna our dear
mother ' [ " pro salute animarum d'ni Alexandri pat's n'ri k'mi 't
d'ne Johanne mat's n're k'me..." ] [ Melrose Muniments,
Appendix, p. 687, no. 24]. However, the Stewarts had lands in
Bute and Arran prior to Alexander the Stewart as pointed out to
me by Andrew MacEwen, so the inference that the marriage of
Alexander and Joan brought these lands to the Stewarts has no
foundation.
Cheers,
John *