Maud Furnival wife of Walter Montgomery of Cubley
Rosie Bevan
which I suggested that the second wife of Sir Walter Montgomery, and
mother of his heir Nicholas, was a Furnival (posted below). Thanks to
the heads up by Luke Potter about the Wolley Charters being available
on the BL online catalogue, this can now be confirmed. Maud Furnival
was the daughter of Sir Thomas Furnival d.1339 and presumably Joan de
Verdun, as indicated by the online abstract.
Wolley Charter ix.50
Language French
Original date Vigil of SS Simon and Jude, 40 Edward III
Modern date 27 October 1367
Measurements 157 x 441 mm; indented
Medium Vellum
Contents Agreement whereby Wauter de Montgomery and Maud, his wife,
agree to receive 40 marks of an annuity of £40 out of lands in
Hallamshire, granted to the said Maud by Thomas de Furnivalle, father
of William de Furnivalle, lord of Hallamshire, and of the said Maud,
and 20 marks , the remainder of the said annuity, from Joan, widow of
Thomas de Furnivalle, brother of the said William. Dated at
Westminster, co. Midd.
Endorsement Furnival and Montgomery.
Bibliography Birch, Catalogue of Seals in the Department of Manuscripts
in the British Museum, vol. ii, p.837.
Grantors William de Furnivall Lord of Hallamshire
Grantees Sir Wauter [Walter] de Montgomery
Maud wife of Sir Walter de Montgomery
Seals Pendent Red wax, round; a shield of arms: a bend between 6
martlets, for Furnival, suspended by an embroidered belt from an oak
tree of 3 branches on a mount; supporters, 2 lions sejant guardant
addorsed, each beneath a small tree; inscription, SIGIL' WILLLI DE
FORNEUALLE; for William de Furnivall; edge repaired.
Full list of places Halomshire [Hallamshire, co. York]
Cheers
Rosie
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10.WALTER DE MONTGOMERY. By his father's inquisition post mortem [CIPM
v.VI ; no.509], Walter was found to be his son and heir, aged 10 years
old (i.e. born about 1314). Married by 1343, to Alice, from a fine
dated Quindene of Hillary 1343 [H.J.H Garratt (ed), Derbyshire Feet of
Fines 1323-1546; no.808]. Alice was still living in May 1345 when she
and Walter were granted a papal indult to choose a confessor at the
hour of death [Calendar of Papal Letters, v.3, p. 210]. He was married
secondly by 1364 to Maud (possibly Furnival) according to a fine dated
Easter that year. [H.J.H Garratt (ed), Derbyshire Feet of Fines
1323-1546; no.874]. A series of settlements in tail male were made on
Walter in his lifetime. In 1335 Walter had settled on himself and his
male heirs the manor of Leigh, Staffordshire[Nottinghamshire Archives:
DD/FJ/1/183/2]. In an undated deed, William son of Serlo de Grendon
settled lands in Snelston on Walter with reversion to William his
brother in tail male [Nottinghamshire Archives DD/FJ/1/97/1]. On 10 May
15 Edw. III. (1341) William Sapirton, chaplain and John Roger,
feoffees, settled the manors of Cubley, Sudbury, Aston and tenements in
Hill Somersall and Potter Somersall on Walter in tail male
[Nottinghamshire Archives DD/FJ/4/26/5]. On 1 Aug. 1355 William de
Caverswall made a grant to Walter in tail mail of the manor of
Caverswall, Staffs. with messuage and lands in Forsebroke and Dellren
(Forsbrook and Dilhorne), and manor of Roddisley (Rodsley, Derbs)
[Nottinghamshire Archives DD/FJ/4/26/7]. In an undated settlement
William Akover (Oakover), Lord of Snelston, presumably acting in the
role of feoffee, settled the manors of Cubley, Marston and Snelston on
Walter for life, then to his son Nicholas in tail male [Nottinghamshire
Archives DD/FJ/4/26/6]. In 1338 and 1342 he was Commissioner of Oyer
and Terminer, and in 1345 he was commissioned to take archers from
Derbyshire to Southampton in the king's service. In 1346 he was a
Justice of the Peace with Nicholas de Longford. 1355 he was escheator
of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire. In 1343 Walter settled the manor of
Marchington (Marston Montgomery) on his son William recently married to
Margaret, daughter of Sir Richard Stafford. William appears to have
died without issue during the lifetime of his father as Walter's heir
was his son Nicholas. In 1364 Walter and Maud granted by fine £6 rent
in Cubley and a moiety of the manor of Snelston to their son Nicholas
and Ann, his wife, to hold to themselves and the heirs of their body of
Nicholas, of Walter and Maude and Walter's heirs forever paying
therefore 1 rose each year at the feast of the Nativity of St John the
Baptist for all services due etc due to Walter. [H.J.H Garratt (ed),
Derbyshire Feet of Fines 1323-1546; no.874]. Walter was dead by
Michaelmas 1374 when Maud was referred to as his widow in a fine [H.J.H
Garratt (ed), Derbyshire Feet of Fines 1323-1546; no.920]. She is
probably the same Maud "sometime wife of Walter Mungomery, knight"
mentioned in the IPM of William de Furnival (d.1383) receiving, for
life, 43 marks annually from the manor of Sheffield, Yorkshire, with
the king's licence. [CIPM v.XV : n. 784]. In 1596 William Wyrley
recorded the arms of Furnival in heraldic glass in Sudbury church
[Charles Cox, The Churches of Derbyshire v.3 p.323]. Maud was still
living in 1385 when she presented to Cubley church. [Charles Cox, The
Churches of Derbyshire, v. 3 p. 94].
Issue of Walter
- William. Son and heir by Alice, he was married to Margaret, dau. of
Sir Richard Stafford by 1343, but both were dead before 1364 when lands
which had been settled on himself and Margaret, were settled on
Nicholas and Ann.
- Nicholas. Son and heir by Maud. See below
- Walter. Younger brother of Nicholas by Maud, he was granted Ecton,
Northants., which he was holding in 1428, and which was subsequently
held by his heirs of Montgomery of Cubley [VCH Northants v.4 p.123]
- Benedicta. Confirmation was made in 1380 by John de Bollouwe and Adam
Torold, chaplains to Benedicta daughter of Walter Montgomery of
property in Burton-on-Trent, Staffordshire. [Derbyshire Record Office
Reference: D5236/8/6]
mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk
I only came to SGM a little time ago, but was delighted to find your
detailed reconstruction of the Montgomerys in the archive (25 Nov
2002); they were a family I'd been struggling to piece together
properly myself, with much confusion. You did a great job, just thought
I'd let you know my appreciation albeit a little late.
There was just one bit of information I had left over, and I hope you
won't mind revisiting the family to have a look at (apologies if you've
already dealt with this elsewhere). There are a few Montgomery charters
in HMC Hastings i (1928); on p.153 is the following:
'Heamies [in Chebsey]
Deeds relating to land 2 temp E IV
14 December, 1462.- Grant by Nicholas Mountgomery, junior, son and heir
of Eleanor Mountgomery, deceased, late the wife of Nicholas
Mountgomery, his father, of the remainder expectant upon the death of
his father of a certain pasture called "Heymys" near Coldmorton in the
fee of Chebsey'.
The first way I could see of reconciling this information would be by
inserting another generation between Nicholas (c.1404-1465) and Sir
Nicholas (1449-1494), as there is the chronological possibility of one.
It would mean the former Nicholas (d.1465) marrying Eleanor (rather
than Isabella Vernon) and having an interim Nicholas, who married
Isabella Vernon and died vp?, leaving Sir Nicholas (b.1449). However,
this would make five Nicholases in succession, which would then
disagree with the plea roll pedigree that gave four; unless the
hypothetical one who dvp was overlooked, or they just got confused
themselves.
I guess this charter may have been the basis for pedigrees including
Eleanor, heiress of 'Chevesey' (Reliquary xv) and 'Cheresy' (Cox iii
92). There seems nothing though to suggest that Eleanor was heiress of
the whole of Chebsey- which had been in the Delves family a little
earlier, Joan Hastang's daughter Joan Salusbury being the wife of Henry
Delves, great-uncle to Joan Delves who married Sir Nicholas Montgomery
(1449-1494). But Chebsey seems to have gone to the Staffords,
suggesting that Joan Hastang's line failed.
Anyway, I will be very interested by any thoughts on the matter (and
grateful, again).
Matthew
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com
Inasmuch as the Furnival family has a valid descent from Rohese of
Boulogne, wife of Sir Richard de Lucy, the Montgomery-Furnival marriage
reported in Wolley Charters gives a large number of immigrants yet
another descent from Rohese of Boulogne.
For interest's sake, the following is a preliminary list of 17th
Century colonial New World immigrants who are descended from the
Montgomery-Furnival marriage, and thus from Rohese of Boulogne. George
Washington, 1st President of the United State of America, has this line
through his immigrant ancestor, George Reade.
Reviewing the Furnival ancestry on Jim Weber's great database, I see
the immigrants below also have new descents from at least three Magna
Carta barons, Roger de Bigod, Hugh le Bigod, and Henry de Bohun.
For Jim Weber's database, please go to the following web address:
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jweber&id=I24339&style=TEXT
The new Magna Carta ancestry can also be traced using my book, Magna
Carta Ancestry (2005), starting with the Verdun account on pp. 849-853.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
List of Colonial Immigrants descended from Maud de Furnival, wife of
Sir Walter de Montgomery:
1. William Asfordby.
2. William Bladen (two descents).
3. George & Nehemiah Blakiston.
4. Edward Carleton.
5. Henry Corbin.
6. Gerard Fowke.
7. Muriel Gurdon.
8. Anne, Elizabeth & John Mansfield.
9. Anne Mauleverer.
10. George Reade.
11. Richard Saltonstall (two descents).
12. Grey & Diana Skipwith.
mhol...@mac.com
Montgomery material. However, there is a discrepancy between the
database you cite and Magna Carta Ancestry as to the parentage of
William Clarell c. 1340-bef 1380, the father of Thomas Clarell who
married Maud Montgomery.
Magna Carta gives the parents as Thomas Clarell and Isabel Comyn (p.
202) and the database has Thomas Clarell and Isabell de St. Philbert.
Please comment on the discrepancy.
Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com
Thank you for your good post. You've asked an excellent question.
There is an ancient pedigree of the Clarell family in Misc. Gen. &
Heraldica which identifies Isabel, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell (he
living c. 1354), as a member and heiress of the Comyn family:
"Sir Thomas Clarell son and heyre. = Izabell Dor. & heyre of
Redcomyn." [Reference: Misc. Gen. & Heraldica 4th Ser. 4 (1912): 70
(Clarell pedigree)].
We know from other sources that Sir Thomas Clarell's wife was in fact
named Isabel:
Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate
Papers, Reference: DD/FJ/4/32/8, grant dated 21 June 1335 from John
Hyghe of Roderham, chaplain to Thomas Clarell and his wife Isabel in
tail lands in Thorpe, 1 water mill and 1 fulling mill in Aldewerk,
Osterneheeng meadow in Thrybergh, and lands in Kilnehirst and Great and
Little Dalton, of which Thomas had previously enfeoffed the grantor
(abstract of documents available online at
http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
My research indicates that Thomas and Isabel's son, William Clarell
(died c. 1380), of Aldwark, Yorkshire, was heir before 1376 to Sir
Thomas Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, by which he inherited the manor
of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, a Comyn property:
Nottinghamshire Archives: Foljambe of Osberton: Deeds and Estate
Papers, DD/FJ/1/165/3, grant dated 11 Feb. 1375/6 from William Clarell,
Lord of Ulceby to Sir Gilbert, rector of Rawmarsh, Yorkshire et al. of
the manor of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, subject to the reversion of dower of
dame Margaret, widow of Sir Thomas Comyn (abstract of document
available online at http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
The Sir Thomas Comyn in question appears to have been the son of an
earlier Robert Comyn, of Ulceby, Lincolnshire, who occurs in the
period, 1335-1340. In 1335, Robert Comyn demanded against Roger Comyn
and Agnes his wife and others land in Ulceby, Lincolnshire which
William de Roos of Helmsley had given to Alice his daughter (Robert
Comyn's grandmother) [Reference: Lincolnshire Notes & Queries, 9
(1907): 249-250]. In 1340 Robert Comyn charged that Robert Belhone
of Scawby was charged with stealing four sheep from him at Ulceby,
Lincolnshire [Reference: McLane, 1341 Royal Inquest in Lincolnshire
(Lincoln Rec. Soc. 78) (1988): 127, 131].
Given that Isabel Comyn's husband, Sir Thomas Clarell, occurs in the
records in the same approximate time period as Robert Comyn, it seems
apparent that Isabel Comyn, wife of Sir Thomas Clarell, was the sister
of Robert Comyn (living 1335-1340), and thus daughter of John Comyn, of
Ulceby, Lincolnshire, who occurs as an adult in the period, 1300-1310.
John Comyn in turn was a younger son of John Comyn (died 1273-8), of
Badenoch in Scotland, by his 2nd wife, Alice de Roos (died c. 1286).
I know of no evidence whatsoever that Isabel, wife of Sir Thomas
Clarell, was a member of the Saint Philibert family, although this is
claimed by Hunter, South Yorkshire, 2 (1831): 51-56, and other
secondary sources. Rather, I believe the descent of the manor of
Ulceby, Lincolnshire from the Roos family to the Comyn family to the
Clarell family confirms that Lady Isabel Clarell was a Comyn, as stated
in the pedigree I've cited above. Had the Comyn line failed, the manor
of Ulceby, Lincolnshire would almost certainly have reverted back to
the Roos family, it being the maritagium of Robert Comyn's grandmother,
Alice (de Roos) Comyn.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
Rick Eaton
Dedham (ex of Do0ver, Kent), arrived c. 1634/35 at Watertown, Mass, settling
thereafter at Dedham.
"Rick Eaton" eaton...@sbcglobal.net
Rosie Bevan
Thank you for your appreciative comments. The Montgomery family has not
been an easy one to tease out of the shadows, which is surprising
considering their connections.
Thanks also for posting the charter which I haven't seen before. I
think you are right that it is the basis for the pedigree as outlined
by Cox, but do not think it relates to the Hastang family. I suspect
that Eleanor was a Venables of Kinderton, perhaps related to William
Venables and/or his wife Petronilla, but need to do a bit more digging
on this. As for a fifth Nicholas, it is a possibility if one of them
died during the lifetime of his father, but there is no certainty from
the deed that this Nicholas was heir to his father, and again this
needs to be looked at more closely.
Since originally posting the family outline, I have unearthed more
significant information about the Montgomerys and hope to consolidate
it all in an article similar to the one I wrote about the Longfords for
'Foundations'.
Cheers
Rosie
John P. Ravilious
Thanks much for posting your find re: Maud de Furnival; it's
good to see a confirmation of this relationship.
I will post the relevant descent from same to Jane Lowe a bit
later.
Cheers,
John
mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk
thanks for your thoughts- I'll certainly look forward to any future
article. A further possible addition from the HMC Hastings charters is
Lady Lucy de Montgomery (fl.1239/40), named as mother of Sir William de
M senior, father of Sir William junior; so conjecturally widow of the
William who appears in 1205.
Another family I saw you mention in the archives was Lathbury; I had a
go at piecing them together from the invaluable material on A2A (Derbs.
R.O., Every of Egginton), but they have a run of Johns like the
Montgomery Nicholases and I couldn't really be sure how many there
were. Any plans to publish on them? (And the Sulneys- you must have
gathered a lot of info on them I guess: they've often intrigued and
eluded me).
Matthew
Rosie Bevan
I had a go at the Lathbury's when the Eggington archives first came
online a few years ago . My primary interest was working out the
ancestry of Elizabeth Marshall, wife of Ralph Fitzherbert of Norbury -
and her father John Marshal of Upton appears at generation four. As
always there is a caveat emptor with this.
1.Sir Alured de Solney of Newton Solney
+ Margaret dau of Sir John Trussell
2.Sir Alured Solney d.s.p.
2.Agnes Solney
+ Edmund Appleby quitclaimed rights in Newton Solney for the manors
of
Bilby and Raneby in Nottinghamshire 1348
2.NN Prioress of Langley
2.NN Nun at Gracedieu
2.Ermentrude fl 1395 (carried a moiety of manor of Newton Solney to
the
Lathbury family)
+1. Robert, son of Ralph Lathbury of Egginton, d by 1377.
3. Alured de Lathbury
+1. Ala(na) fl 1421
4.John d. by 1442
+ Joan da. Henry Parr (marriage was annulled in 1399)
+ by 1427 Elizabeth
5.John b aft 1425 d. aft 1489
+ Katherine da. Isabella de Shulton (prob Francis of
Foremark)
6.Alured de Lathbury d. by 1489
+ Joan, she married secondly Nicholas Meverill
7.Ann Lathbury sole dau and heiress
+ (by 1508) Robert Leigh of Adlington, Cheshire
into
which family passed a moiety of Newton Solney and Eggington
5.Robert fl 1439 (father of Agnes?)
3.Margaret Lathbury
+ William Marsall of Sedsal
4.John Marshall of Upton fl 1424
4.William of Stretton in le Felds
4 Ermentrude Marshall
3. Beatrice
Ermentrude married secondly
+2. John le Foucher
Cheers
Rosie
mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks very much for that, Rosie. I hadn't made the link with the
Marshalls of Upton, of the Fitzherbert marriage, although I can now see
it's there in the catalogue. I'm guessing the Agnes, daughter of
Robert, you mention is the one said to be wife of Sir Robert Staunton-
I think she'd have to be daughter of the earlier Robert and Ermentrude,
if she was the grandmother of Margaret Staunton born 1405.
I had another look at the Every catalogue on A2A today and made one
interesting discovery- the strangely late charter of Sir Alured
Lathbury at cat.D5236/10/12 is actually dated 20 Aug 3 H VI; so '1442'
is a typo for 1424. (I suspect there may be at least a couple more
dating problems in the catalogue.) This does make a difference, as we
now have John son of Alured as dead in 1424, and John son of John as
born after 1425; so the post-1425 John is not son of the first one.
Here is a resulting reconstruction of the descent:
1. Ralph de Lathbury
2. Ralph, son and heir of Ralph, occ.1304-7, dcd.1325, m. Margaret
(fl.1304-25)
3. Robert de L, occ.1318-50, dcd.1376, m. Ermentrude dau.(coheiress) of
Sir Alured de Sulney. She was remarried to John Foucher by 1376 and was
still alive in 1395. Foucher died betwen 1383-90.
4. Sir Alured de Lathbury, son of Robert and Ermentrude, occ.1383-1428,
kt by 1394. m (1) Ala or Ada (fl.1395-1404); (2) Margery, by 1424.
5. John Lathbury, son of Alured and Ala, occ.1399-1423, dcd.1424 vp, m.
(1) Joan dau Henry Par; annulled 1399, as she had had children by a
servant of Sir Alured's before John was of marriageable age (obviously
quite a story there); (2) Elizabeth, dcd.1423
6.John, son of John L , heir to grandfather, occ.1427-66, m.(1)
Elizabeth (fl.1427); (2)1439, Isabella Shatton
7. John, son of John and Elizabeth, b.post 1425, occ.1439-1505,
m.(1?)post 1439 Katherine, dau. of his stepmother Isabella Shatton;
m.(2?) Elizabeth, living as his widow in 1512. [In the event of
Katherine's death before the age of 14 he was to marry one of her
sisters, so there is always the possibility that this Elizabeth was his
only wife, or even that there was another John in the pedigree here.]
8. Alured/Avery Lathbury, s.& h. of John, dcd.1489 vp, m. Joan who
m.(2) by 1489 Nicholas Meverell
9. Ann, heiress to grandfather John L of Eggington and half Newton
Solney, betrothed 1489 to William s.& h. Richard Littleton; she m. by
1508 Robert Leigh of Whitfield, Glossop (etc.).
So there is still the possibility of a fudge at number 7 above, but I
hope the rest is reasonably secure- any thoughts welcome.
Matthew
Rick Eaton
Where might your article be published. I am most interested.
Rick
"Rick Eaton" eaton...@sbcglobal.net
Rosie Bevan
The editor of "Foundations" has expressed interest in it, but because
of other committments it won't be finished at least until next year.
Cheers
Rosie
Rosie Bevan
I've taken another look at the Every of Eggington on A2A and agree with
your opinion that there are three Johns between the two Alureds. I've
added more information to your notes below.
Cheers
Rosie
1. Ralph de Lathbury
Ralph Lathbury, chamberlain of Ralph Pipard. His wife was Margaret who
quitclaimed her dower in favour of Matilda daughter of John Giffard of
Chillington. Margaret was dead bef. 6 March 1324 (date of Writ) when
Ralph, son of Ralph Lathbury, aged 16 and more was her next heir [CIPM
6 no. 498].
2. Ralph, son and heir of Ralph, occ.1304-7, dcd.1325, m. Margaret
(fl.1304-25)
John Giffard of Chillington bought the wardship and marriage of Ralph,
son of Ralph Lathbury in 1315 from Ralph de Freschville (Wolley, ix,
31,32). Ralph's wife Margaret (D5236/6/5) was probably a daughter of
John Giffard. Ralph was dead by 22 June 1326 (date of writ) when his
IPM recorded that Robert his brother was his next heir aged 15 and more
[CIPM 6 no. 656]
3. Robert de L, occ.1318-50, dcd.1376, m. Ermentrude dau.(coheiress) of
Sir Alured de Sulney. She was remarried to John Foucher by 1376 and was
still alive in 1395. Foucher died betwen 1383-90.
(Ermentrude's mother was the daughter of Sir John Trussell of
Cublesdon and his wife Eleanor. Owing to a male entail placed on the
Trussell estates, John's brother William was his next heir.)
4. Sir Alured de Lathbury, son of Robert and Ermentrude, occ.1383-1428,
kt by 1394. m (1) Ala or Ada (fl.1395-1404) dau and h. of Ralph de
Cadeby acc. to Nichols, v.4 pt 2); (2) Margery, by 1424.
The date of the fine (D5236/4/35) between Sir Alured de Lathbury and
Ala his wife and John Lathbury and Elizabeth his wife, is incorrectly
given as 1427. This fine occurred in 6 Hen IV (1406) not 6 Hen VI
[Garratt, Derbyshire Feet of Fines, 1323-1546].
5. John Lathbury, son of Alured and Ala, occ.1399-1423, dcd.1424 vp, m.
(1) Joan dau Henry Par; annulled 1399, as she had had children by a
servant of Sir Alured's before John was of marriageable age (obviously
quite a story there);(2) Elizabeth, dcd.1423
This John clearly died during the lifetime of his father before 1425.
His wife Elizabeth was dead by 1423 (D5236/3/62).
6.John, son of John L , heir to grandfather, occ.1427-66, m.(1)
Elizabeth (fl.1427); (2)1439, Isabella Shatton
This John is described as John senior in 1453 (D5236/3/78) and 1466
(D5236/4/41), which means his son occurs as an adult during this time.
His wife Elizabeth occurs in 1430 (D5236/3/67).
7. John, son of John and Elizabeth, b.post 1425, occ.1439-1505,
m.(1?)post 1439 Katherine, dau. of his stepmother Isabella Shatton;
m.(2?) Elizabeth, living as his widow in 1512. [In the event of
Katherine's death before the age of 14 he was to marry one of her
sisters, so there is always the possibility that this Elizabeth was his
only wife, or even that there was another John in the pedigree here.]
John described as junior in 1439, 1453 and 1466
8. Alured/Avery Lathbury, s.& h. of John, dcd.1489 vp, m. Joan who
m.(2) by 1489 Nicholas Meverell
Joan was dau.and h. of Richard Norman (C 1/334/22)
9. Ann, heiress to grandfather John L of Eggington and half Newton
Solney, betrothed 1489 to William s.& h. Richard Littleton; she m. by
1508 Robert Leigh of Whitfield, Glossop (etc.).
Robert died 28 Feb 1525 (Nicholls, ibid).
mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk
thanks very much for looking over, and significantly enhancing the
Lathbury descent (and for amending the thread title, as I'd intended to
but forgot). Particularly valuable to have the family name of one or
two more wives; the Cadeby and Norman families don't spark any
immediate associations in my mind though. Interesting that there are
two consecutive generations of Ralphs married to Margarets, and of
Johns married to Elizabeths- an example of one of the potential
problems awaiting genealogists.
Matthew
Rosie Bevan
Richard Norman was escheator for Staffordshire in 1410/11 and 1417/18.
He appears to have had two daughters - Margery, wife of Thomas
Riggeley, and Joan, wife of Sir Alvered Lathbury, and secondly Nicholas
Meverell. Joan had issue by both husbands. The following come from the
NA online catalogue.
C 1/245/14
Thomas Riggeley, husband of Margery, daughter of Richard Norman. v.
Richard Norman and Nicholas Meverell and Jone, his wife, daughter of
Richard Norman.: Attempts of Meverell and his wife to cause Norman to
disinherit complainants.: Stafford.
1500-1515
C 1/212/52
John Yotton, dean and the chapter of Lichfield. v. Richard Norman: A
messuage and land in Rugeley granted to Norman and his wife by a
previous dean without consent of the chapter or bishop.: Stafford.
1486-1529
C 1/334/22
Robert Legh, esquire, and Anne, his wife, daughter and heir of Averey
Lathbury and Joan, his wife, daughter and heir of Richard Norman,
esquire. v. Thomas Meverell, son of the said Joan by Nicholas Meverell,
deceased.: Detention of deeds relating to a messuage and land in
Rugeley conveyed by the said Richard to the said Averey and Joan, in
fee tail.
1500-1515
C 1/335/55
Johane, late the wife of Nicholas Meverell. v. Thomas Ruggeley:
Forcible entries on lands late of Richard Norman (sic), and detention
of deeds contrary to an injunction.: Stafford.
1500-1515
C 1/340/3
Nicholas Meverell and Johanne, his wife, daughter of Richard Norman,
deceased. v. Thomas Rygley, of Hawkesyerde.: Detention of deeds
relating to messuages and land late of Richard Norman in Newton, Bolde,
Kingston, Hixon, Amberton, and Callowhill.: Stafford
1500-1515
Cheers
Rosie
mvernon...@yahoo.co.uk
Richard Norman- I appreciate it, and will try not to distract you with
more questions!
Matthew