Henry I to la Zouche to Hyde
Ron Smith
and have been reading and learning much from the collective experience
and expertise of the members of this group. I have recently traced my
wife’s ancestry to the Pembers of Norwich CT, one of whom married Mary
Hyde on November 14, 1716, in Norwich. According to information
contained in the 1939 book on the Pember Family by Celeste Pember Hazen
and also in an LDS Ancestral File, Mary Hyde was the great-
granddaughter of William Hyde, who was born in 1597 in Stockport,
Cheshire, England, and came to Connecticut, where he married Hester
Trott in 1630. The Ancestral File contains, among many other things, a
lineage from the Hyde line through the Davenport, Warburton, Savage,
Swynnerton and de Holand lines to the la Zouche line, which descends
three distinct ways from Henry I Beauclerc, which I have outlined
below. I understand that the Ancestral Files are inherently
unreliable, and would very much appreciate any information that anyone
might be able to offer regarding the accuracy/legitimacy of these lines
down from Henry I to Alan la Zouche, and also any reliable confirmation
that our immigrant ancestor William Hyde (1597-1681) was indeed the son
of Robert Hyde who was born in 1543 in Denton, Lancashire and died in
1614 in Stockport, Chesire, which is where William was supposedly
born. My thanks to all for taking the time to read this message and
for any help I can get.
Henry I Beauclerc + Matilda Aetheling
Matilda + Geoffrey V Plantagenet
Henry II Plantagenet + Rosamond de Clifford
William Longespee + Ela Fitzpatrick
Stephen Longespee + Emmeline de Riddlesford
Eleanor Longespee + Robert la Zouche 1242-1285
*Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
Henry I Beauclerc + Matilda Aetheling
Elizabeth + Fergus Lord Galloway
Uchtred Lord Galloway + Gunhild of Dunbar
Roland of Galloway + Elena de Morville
Alan of Galloway + Helen de l’Isle
Helen of Galloway + Roger de Quincy
Elena de Quincy + Alan la Zouche 1203-1270
Robert la Zouche 1242-1285 + Eleanor Longespee
*Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
Henry I Beauclerc + Sybilla Corbet
Maud + Conan III of Bretagne
Constance of Bretagne + Alan la Zouche 1093-
Geoffrey la Zouche 1126- + Hawise Fergan
Alan la Zouche 1157-1190 + Alice de Belemeis
Roger la Zouche 1182-1238 + Margaret
Alan la Zouche 1203-1270 + Elena de Quincy
Robert la Zouche 1242-1285+ Eleanor Longespee
*Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
*Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
Maud la Zouche 1290-1341 + Robert de Holand 1285-1328
Maud de Holand + Thomas Swynnerton 1325-1381
Robert Swynnerton 1355-1395 + Elizabeth Beke
Maud Swynnerton + John Savage 1370-1450
Ellen Savage + Peter Warburton
John Warburton + Jane Stanley
Blanch Warburton + William Davenport
Jane Davenport + Robert Hyde 1543 Lancashire-1614 Cheshire
William Hyde 1597 Cheshire, Eng-1681Norwich CT + Hester Trott 1609-1682
Samuel Hyde 1636 Hartford CT-1689 Franklin CT + Jane Lee 1640-1722
Thomas Hyde 1672 Norwich CT-1755 Franklin CT + Mary Backus 1672-1752
Mary Hyde 1697 Norwich CT-1783 Franklin CT + John Pember 1696-1782
John Pember 1719-1767 + Irene Wood
John Pember 1751-1827 + Lucretia Bill
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Ron Smith
and have been reading and learning much from the collective experience
and expertise of the members of this group.
I have recently traced my wife’s ancestry to the Pembers of Norwich CT,
one of whom married Mary Hyde on November 14, 1716, in Norwich.
According to information contained in the 1939 book on the Pember
Family by Celeste Pember Hazen and also in an LDS Ancestral File, Mary
Robert O'Connor
> Maud + Conan III of Bretagne
+++ AR7, p 42 shows that Constance of Brittany who married Alan la Zouche
was the daughter of Alan IV, Duke of Brittany (& therefore the sister of
Conan III)
Reedpcgen
>William Hyde 1597 Cheshire, Eng-1681Norwich CT = Hester Trott 1609-1682
This is the connection you need to be certain of. The Visitation of Cheshire,
1580, [Harleian Society 18:131-2] does indicate that Robert Hyde married Jone
Davenport, and that they had a son named William, but William was one of eleven
children born before 1580. His eldest brother, another Robert, was father of
nine children born by 1580, inluding his heir Hamon, aged 17 in 1580, or born
about 1563.
If this William Hyde's nephew was born about 1563, it is unlikely he was the
William who died in Norwich, CT in 1681.
It seems that 95% of these claims fail at the identification of the immigrant
or their parents.
Paul C. Reed, FASG
Robert O'Connor
In fact my previous post is in error. The correct Zouche line is as
follows:
EUDES I, VISCOUNT of PORHOET (9)., M Anne, d. of Guiomark III, Count of
Leon. Died 1086. He had issue: Weis, p 42
GEOFFREY I, VISCOUNT of PORHOET (9)., M Hawise, d. of Alan IV, Duke of
Brittany, & Ermengarde, d. of Fulk IV, Count of Anjou (See BRITTANY). Died
1141. He had issue:
Weis, p 42
CP XII:2, p 930
BP 1999, p 3099
ALAN la ZOUCHE (9)., M Alice, d. of Philip de Belmeis, of Tong, Shrops. &
Ashby, Leics. & his wife Maud, d. of William le Meschin (See CHESTER). He
was first mentioned in England in 1172 when the Sheriff of Northamptonshire
answered for the scutage due from one knight's fees on his lands. Died
1190. He had issue: Weis, pp 43 & 117
CP XII:2, pp 930-1
The result is the same - the line shown by Ron Smith is broken
Robert O'Connor
Ed Mann
Ron Smith wrote:
>
> I just recently became aware of this NG through a link from GenForum,
> and have been reading and learning much from the collective experience
> and expertise of the members of this group.
> I have recently traced my wife’s ancestry to the Pembers of Norwich CT,
> one of whom married Mary Hyde on November 14, 1716, in Norwich.
> According to information contained in the 1939 book on the Pember
> Family by Celeste Pember Hazen and also in an LDS Ancestral File, Mary
> Hyde was the great-granddaughter of William Hyde, who was born in 1597
> in Stockport, Cheshire, England, and came to Connecticut, where he
> married Hester Trott in 1630. The Ancestral File contains, among many
> other things, a lineage from the Hyde line through the Davenport,
> Warburton, Savage, Swynnerton and de Holand lines to the la Zouche
> line, which descends three distinct ways from Henry I Beauclerc, which
> I have outlined below. I understand that the Ancestral Files are
> inherently unreliable, and would very much appreciate any information
> that anyone might be able to offer regarding the accuracy/legitimacy of
> these lines down from Henry I to Alan la Zouche,
Here's what I have on this:
Selected Descendants of Henry I of England
1 Henry I of England aka: "Beauclerc" b: 1068 d: 1 Dec 1135 ref #:
Ä121-25
*Partner of Henry I of England:
+Nest verch Rhys aka: Princess of Deheubarth d: Bef. 1136 ref #:
Ä178-2
2 Henry FitzHenry b: Abt. 1105 d: 1157 ref #: Ä33A-24
3 Amabilis FitzHenry ref #: Ä33A-25
+Walter de Ridelisford d: Aft. 1226 ref #: (Ä33A-25)
4 Walter de Ridelisford b: Abt. 1180 d: Bef. 12 Dec 1244 ref #:
Ä33A-25A
+Annora ref #: (Ä33A-25A)
5 [7] Emmeline de Ridelisford b: Abt. 1220 d: 1276 ref #: Ä33A-26
*2nd Husband of [7] Emmeline de Ridelisford:
+[6] Stephen Longespee d: 23 Jan 1274/75 ref #: W144-2
6 [2] Ela Longespee ref #: W144-3
+[1] Roger la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby & Brockley b: Abt.
1241 d: 1285 ref #: W90-4
7 [3] Alan la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby b: 9 Oct 1267 d: Mar
1313/14 ref #: W90-5
+[4] Eleanor de Segrave b: Abt. 1270 d: 1314 ref #: BxP:598
2 Elizabeth aka: Joan ref #: Ä121B-26
+Fergus of Galloway aka: Lord of Galloway d: 12 May 1166 ref #:
(Ä38-24)
3 Uchtred of Galloway d: 22 Sep 1174 ref #: Ä121B-27
+Gunnild of Dunbar b: Abt. 1134 ref #: Ä38-24
4 Roland of Galloway b: Abt. 1164 d: Dec 1200 ref #: Ä38-25
+Elena de Morville b: Abt. 1153 d: 11 Jun 1217 ref #: (Ä38-25)
5 Alan of Galloway aka: Named in Magna Charta b: Abt. 1186 d: 1234
ref #: W139-1
+ aka: Helen de L'Isle
6 Helen of Galloway b: Abt. 1208 d: Aft. 21 Nov 1245 ref #: W139-2
+Roger de Quincy aka: 2d Earl of Winchester b: Abt. 1174 d: 25 Apr
1264 ref #: W74-2
7 Elena de Quincy d: Bef. 20 Aug 1296 ref #: W74-3
+Alan la Zouche b: 1205 d: 12 Aug 1270 ref #: (Ä186-3)
8 [1] Roger la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby & Brockley b: Abt.
1241 d: 1285 ref #: W90-4
+[2] Ela Longespee ref #: W144-3
9 [3] Alan la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby b: 9 Oct 1267 d: Mar
1313/14 ref #: W90-5
+[4] Eleanor de Segrave b: Abt. 1270 d: 1314 ref #: BxP:598
*1st Wife of Henry I of England:
+Matilda of Scotland aka: Eagdith (Edith) of Scotland b: 1079 d: 1
May 1118 ref #: Ä1-23
2 Matilda of England b: 7 Feb 1101/02 d: 10 Sep 1167 ref #: Ä1-24
*2nd Husband of Matilda of England:
+Geoffrey V Plantagenet aka: Count of Anjou & Maine b: 23 Aug 1113
d: 7 Sep 1151 ref #: F222:18
3 Henry II of England aka: "Curtmantel" b: 25 Mar 1133 d: 8 Jul 1189
ref #: F222:17
+ aka: Countess Ida ref #: (see notes)
4 William Longespee aka: Earl of Salisbury; Named in Magna Charta b:
Abt. 1176 d: 7 Mar 1225/26 ref #: W142-1
+Ela FitzWilliam aka: Ela de Salisbury b: Abt. 1189 d: 24 Aug 1261
ref #: Ä108-28
5 [6] Stephen Longespee d: 23 Jan 1274/75 ref #: W144-2
+[7] Emmeline de Ridelisford b: Abt. 1220 d: 1276 ref #: Ä33A-26
6 [2] Ela Longespee ref #: W144-3
+[1] Roger la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby & Brockley b: Abt.
1241 d: 1285 ref #: W90-4
7 [3] Alan la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby b: 9 Oct 1267 d: Mar
1313/14 ref #: W90-5
+[4] Eleanor de Segrave b: Abt. 1270 d: 1314 ref #: BxP:598
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:INET...@atlantic.net
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
NK2 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_Two_, [page].
Π= Hardy, Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America, [pg].
PA = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, 2d ed. [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat lector.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat lector.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page] Caveat lector.
Barrie J. Wright
I have a number of gedcoms downloaded from www.ancestry.com.
A large one is No 13920 with WARBURTON lines and many others.
Below is a shortened version which I cannot document obviously.
Gen-Medieval has some excellent experts who will help if they can
up to about 1600.
I indicate with *** where there seems to be a missing Robert Hyde
generation in your data.
As indicated by others, the Calverley marriage and mother looks
impossible. This whole link may be guesswork.
Hester Hyde seems to be a sister to 'a' Samuel Hyde as below.
This source disagrees with your ancestry for Maud/Matilda
whose mother Sybil Corbet at least is uncertain.
Note the two distinct Ellen [Helein] m. Piers [Peter WARBURTON]
which look suspiciously alike, one wrong in my view.
HTH
My interest is in the WARBURTON lines from these, a branch in Ireland
possibly from John Warburton b 1459 of Arley, Cheshire
m. Jane Stanley, descent from about 1550-1800.
Jane Stanley's parents are a problem for me --any takers?
If anyone knows anything on these, I would appreciate it.
Any other corrections welcomed.
2 Samuel Hyde Abt. 1633 -
........ 2 Samuel Hyde 1636 - 1689
.............. +Temperance Mrs Hyde
........ *2nd Wife of Samuel Hyde:
.............. +Jane LEE
........ *3rd Wife of Samuel Hyde:
.............. +Jane LEE
........ *4th Wife of Samuel Hyde:
.............. +Jane Lord
*3rd Wife of William Hyde:
... +Ellen STUBBS
ETC ETC
Descendants of John SAVAGE
1 John SAVAGE Abt. 1370 - 1450
... +Maud (Matilda) De SWYNNERTON Abt. 1365 - 1415
........ 2 John SAVAGE 1403 - 1463
.............. +Elizabeth (Eleanor) Brereton Abt. 1406 -
................... 3 John SAVAGE 1422 - 1495
......................... +Catherine STANLEY Abt. 1430 - 1498
................... 3 Helein SAVAGE Abt. 1432 - ***
......................... +Peter WARBERTON
........ 2 Ellen SAVAGE Abt. 1432 - [impossible?] ***
.............. +Peter Or Piers WARBURTON Abt. 1428 - Aft. 1475
................... 3 John WARBURTON Abt. 1459 -
......................... +Jane STANLEY Abt. 1463 - Abt. 1525
.............................. 4 Peter (Piers) WARBURTON - 1550
.................................... +Elizabeth Winnington
.............................. 4 Blanch WARBURTON Abt. 1496 - Aft. 1541
.................................... +Christopher EYRE
.............................. *2nd Husband of Blanch WARBURTON: ***
.................................... +William Davenport - 1541
......................................... 5 William Davenport 1521 - 1576
............................................... +Margaret BOOTH
......................................... *2nd Wife of William Davenport:
............................................... +Anne Brereton
......................................... 5 John Davenport Abt. 1523 -
......................................... 5 Jane Davenport Abt. 1525 -Aft.
1566 ***
............................................... +Robert Hyde 1522 - 1571
.................................................... 6 Robert Hyde
1543 -1613/14 ***
.......................................................... +Annie ARDERNE
...................................... *2nd Wife of Robert Hyde:
.......................................................... +Beatrice
CALVERLY Abt. 1575 - 1624 ** ??
.............................................................. 7 William
Hyde - 1680/81
.................................................................... +Mrs.
William Hyde
.............................................................. *2nd Wife of
William Hyde:
....................................................................
+Mrs.William Hyde Abt. 1610 - Bef. 1682
......................................................................... 8
Hester Hyde - 1703
............................................................................
.. +John POST 1629 - 1711
................... 3 Peter WARBURTON Abt. 1461 -
................... 3 Blanche WARBURTON Abt. 1463 -
......................... +Thomas DEANYERS
................... 3 Douce WARBURTON Abt. 1465 -
......................... +Richard ASTON
*2nd Wife of John SAVAGE:
... +Ellen Vernon
Barrie J. Wright
GLENELG EAST, 5045
in Adelaide, South Australia
bjwr...@senet.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Smith <rons...@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2000 8:42
Subject: Henry I to la Zouche to Hyde
> I just recently became aware of this NG through a link from GenForum,
> and have been reading and learning much from the collective experience
> and expertise of the members of this group. I have recently traced my
> wife's ancestry to the Pembers of Norwich CT, one of whom married Mary
> Hyde on November 14, 1716, in Norwich. According to information
> contained in the 1939 book on the Pember Family by Celeste Pember Hazen
> and also in an LDS Ancestral File, Mary Hyde was the great-
> granddaughter of William Hyde, who was born in 1597 in Stockport,
> Cheshire, England, and came to Connecticut, where he married Hester
> Trott in 1630. The Ancestral File contains, among many other things, a
> lineage from the Hyde line through the Davenport, Warburton, Savage,
> Swynnerton and de Holand lines to the la Zouche line, which descends
> three distinct ways from Henry I Beauclerc, which I have outlined
> below. I understand that the Ancestral Files are inherently
> unreliable, and would very much appreciate any information that anyone
> might be able to offer regarding the accuracy/legitimacy of these lines
> down from Henry I to Alan la Zouche, and also any reliable confirmation
> that our immigrant ancestor William Hyde (1597-1681) was indeed the son
> of Robert Hyde who was born in 1543 in Denton, Lancashire and died in
> 1614 in Stockport, Chesire, which is where William was supposedly
> born. My thanks to all for taking the time to read this message and
> for any help I can get.
>
> Henry I Beauclerc + Matilda Aetheling
> Matilda + Geoffrey V Plantagenet
> Henry II Plantagenet + Rosamond de Clifford
> William Longespee + Ela Fitzpatrick
> Stephen Longespee + Emmeline de Riddlesford
> Eleanor Longespee + Robert la Zouche 1242-1285
> *Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
>
> Henry I Beauclerc + Matilda Aetheling
> Elizabeth + Fergus Lord Galloway
> Uchtred Lord Galloway + Gunhild of Dunbar
> Roland of Galloway + Elena de Morville
> Alan of Galloway + Helen de l'Isle
> Helen of Galloway + Roger de Quincy
> Elena de Quincy + Alan la Zouche 1203-1270
> Robert la Zouche 1242-1285 + Eleanor Longespee
> *Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
>
> Henry I Beauclerc + Sybilla Corbet
> Maud + Conan III of Bretagne
> Constance of Bretagne + Alan la Zouche 1093-
> Geoffrey la Zouche 1126- + Hawise Fergan
> Alan la Zouche 1157-1190 + Alice de Belemeis
> Roger la Zouche 1182-1238 + Margaret
> Alan la Zouche 1203-1270 + Elena de Quincy
> Robert la Zouche 1242-1285+ Eleanor Longespee
> *Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
>
>
> *Alan la Zouche 1267- + Eleanor Segrave
> Maud la Zouche 1290-1341 + Robert de Holand 1285-1328
> Maud de Holand + Thomas Swynnerton 1325-1381
> Robert Swynnerton 1355-1395 + Elizabeth Beke
> Maud Swynnerton + John Savage 1370-1450
> Ellen Savage + Peter Warburton
> John Warburton + Jane Stanley
> Blanch Warburton + William Davenport
> Jane Davenport + Robert Hyde 1543 Lancashire-1614 Cheshire
> William Hyde 1597 Cheshire, Eng-1681Norwich CT + Hester Trott 1609-1682
> Samuel Hyde 1636 Hartford CT-1689 Franklin CT + Jane Lee 1640-1722
> Thomas Hyde 1672 Norwich CT-1755 Franklin CT + Mary Backus 1672-1752
> Mary Hyde 1697 Norwich CT-1783 Franklin CT + John Pember 1696-1782
> John Pember 1719-1767 + Irene Wood
> John Pember 1751-1827 + Lucretia Bill
>
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>
> ______________________________
Ron Smith
Thanks Paul, you were right. I have since found that I was missing
another William 1569-1639 (married to Ellen Stubbs)who was the son of
Robert (1543-1614) and the father of the Connecticut immigrant William
(1597-1681). This looks like it makes more sense.
Ron Smith
Ron Smith
Thank you very much for your response Paul. Your well-taken point
caused me to look further than the information available on the LDS
Ancestral File, which surprisingly is not correct! More than a couple
of other sites showed that I was indeed missing a generation of Hydes
between Robert & Beatrice CALVERLY and the immigrant William who died
in 1681 in Connecticut, whose parents were William Hyde b.1569 Chesire,
Eng d.aft 1639 + Ellen STUBBS b.c.1573
Consequently, the line should look like this:
Robert HYDE b: 1522 Norbury, Cheshire, England d: 1571 Norbury,
Cheshire, England + Jane DAVENPORT b: 1525 Bramhall, Cheshire, England
d: Aft. 1566
Robert HYDE b: 1543 Denton, Lancashire, England d: 22 Mar 1613/14
Stockport, Chesire, England + Beatrice CALVERLY b: 1545 Calverley,
Yorkshire, England d: 21 Dec 1624 Stockport, Chesire, England
William HYDE b: 1569 Chesire, England d: aft 1639 + Ellen STUBBS b: abt
1573
William HYDE b: 1597 Stockport, Chesire, England d: 06 Jan 1680/81
Norwich, New London, CT + Hester TROTT b: Abt. 1609 London, England m:
Abt. 1630 Norwich, CT d: Bef. 1682 Saybrook, CT
Samuel HYDE b: 1636 Hartford, CT d: 12 Sep 1689 Franklin, CT + Jane LEE
b: 12 Sep 1640 Rusper, Sussex, England d: 21 Jan 1721/22 Lebanon, New
London, CT
Thomas HYDE b: 1672 Norwich, New London, CT d: 09 Apr 1755 Franklin,
New London, CT + Mary BACKUS b: 1672 Norwich, New London, CT d: 27
Mar 1752 Norwich, New London, CT
Mary HYDE b: 21 Feb 1696/97 Norwich, New London, CT d: 17 Apr 1783
Franklin, CT + John PEMBER b: 12 Apr 1696 Norwich, New London, CT d: 26
Jan 1782 Norwich, New London, CT
Thanks again for your help.
Ron
Nathaniel Taylor
> In article <20001026150126...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
> reed...@aol.com (Reedpcgen) wrote:
> > If this William Hyde's nephew was born about 1563, it is unlikely he
> > was the William who died in Norwich, CT in 1681.
> >
> > It seems that 95% of these claims fail at the identification of the
> > immigrant or their parents.
>
> Your well-taken point caused me to look further than the
> information available on the LDS Ancestral File, which
> surprisingly is not correct!
No surprise.
> Consequently, the line should look like this:
>
> Robert HYDE b: 1522 Norbury, Cheshire, England d: 1571 Norbury,
> Cheshire, England + Jane DAVENPORT b: 1525 Bramhall, Cheshire, England
> d: Aft. 1566
>
> Robert HYDE b: 1543 Denton, Lancashire, England d: 22 Mar 1613/14
> Stockport, Chesire, England + Beatrice CALVERLY b: 1545 Calverley,
> Yorkshire, England d: 21 Dec 1624 Stockport, Chesire, England
>
> William HYDE b: 1569 Chesire, England d: aft 1639 + Ellen STUBBS b: abt
> 1573
>
> William HYDE b: 1597 Stockport, Chesire, England d: 06 Jan 1680/81
> Norwich, New London, CT + Hester TROTT b: Abt. 1609 London, England m:
> Abt. 1630 Norwich, CT d: Bef. 1682 Saybrook, CT
Once again, consider the 95% rule. What is the evidence that William Hyde
of New London is son of this William Hyde of Cheshire? Wills,
correspondence, etc.? If you don't already know (i.e., if your web
sources don't mention any), then this may be an example of the "name's the
same" phenom.
Nat Taylor
Reedpcgen
>1573
>
>William HYDE b: 1597 Stockport, Chesire, England d: 06 Jan 1680/81
>Norwich, New London, CT + Hester TROTT
As Nat said, this is what you should focus on.
It is known that Robert Hyde of Norbury, b. ca. 1543, d. Norbury 22 March 1614,
m. Beatrix Calverley, bur. Stockport 21 Dec. 1624, had a younger son named
William.
William's eldest brother, Hamnet Hyde [Hamon?] was b. ca. 1565 and d. May 1643,
m. Prestbury 15 July 1583, Mary Warren, of Poynton, bur. Stockport 28 Mar.
1639. Hamnet had other younger brothers, Robert, Thomas, Urian and John.
This family was prominent gentry bearing arms. If your William Hyde of Norwich
and Saybrook were a member of this family, it would be odd he was not a
prominent gentleman, bearing arms, in New England records, and that the unusual
Cheshire/Lancashire given names like Urian and Hammon/Hamnet did not continue
in the naming patterns of his family, given that Hamnet was the male
representative in England.
So focus on the evidence across the ocean and on his parentage FIRST before
becoming too attached to the earlier ancestry given in AF. ; )
Paul
_Spencer_ Hines_TD@aya.yale.edu D. Spencer Hines
It Cuts through the Gibberish.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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Cristopher Nash
[SNIP]
>Robert HYDE b: 1522 Norbury, Cheshire, England d: 1571 Norbury,
>Cheshire, England + Jane DAVENPORT b: 1525 Bramhall, Cheshire, England
>d: Aft. 1566
>
>Robert HYDE b: 1543 Denton, Lancashire, England d: 22 Mar 1613/14
>Stockport, Chesire, England + Beatrice CALVERLY b: 1545 Calverley,
>Yorkshire, England d: 21 Dec 1624 Stockport, Chesire, England
>
>William HYDE b: 1569 Chesire, England d: aft 1639 + Ellen STUBBS b: abt
>1573
>
>William HYDE b: 1597 Stockport, Chesire, England d: 06 Jan 1680/81
>Norwich, New London, CT + Hester TROTT b: Abt. 1609 London, England m:
>Abt. 1630 Norwich, CT d: Bef. 1682 Saybrook, CT
>
>Samuel HYDE b: 1636 Hartford, CT d: 12 Sep 1689 Franklin, CT + Jane LEE
>b: 12 Sep 1640 Rusper, Sussex, England d: 21 Jan 1721/22 Lebanon, New
>London, CT
>
>Thomas HYDE b: 1672 Norwich, New London, CT d: 09 Apr 1755 Franklin,
>New London, CT + Mary BACKUS b: 1672 Norwich, New London, CT d: 27
>Mar 1752 Norwich, New London, CT
>
>Mary HYDE b: 21 Feb 1696/97 Norwich, New London, CT d: 17 Apr 1783
>Franklin, CT + John PEMBER b: 12 Apr 1696 Norwich, New London, CT d: 26
>Jan 1782 Norwich, New London, CT
>
>Thanks again for your help.
>Ron
- and Barrie J Wright <bjwr...@senet.com.au> wrote -
> 7 William Hyde - 1680/81
> +Mrs.William Hyde
> *2nd Wife of William Hyde:
> +Mrs.William Hyde Abt. 1610 - Bef. 1682
> 8 Hester Hyde - 1703
> +John POST 1629 - 1711
I'm out of line in carrying this on here since the part of your
postings I've an interest in, Ron/Barrie, is out of this forum's
period but -- since there have been some medieval claims attached and
Paul Reed's shown a helpful interest locally -- just to get it going
before our shambling off to throw darts in some more suitable
beerhall: has anyone any up-to-date data on the likelihood that
Esther/Hester Hyde (d. 13 Nov 1702, Norwich CT, VR) who m. John Post
(d. 27 Nov 1710, Norwich CT, VR) is a da. of either Ron's William
Hyde or his s. Samuel, and if so, which? Barrie's firm account would
seem to steer us, but what I'm hoping for is some detail, with
sources....
I note that C M C Hardie [NYPL: AZ n.c.1 + (Rudd)], which gives her
d. date as 13 Nov 1703, says she da of Samuel & Jane (Lee) Hyde.
Hoyt Post & R H Walworth (1905, I believe) say no - that she's sister
of Samuel, da of William Hyde. But Norwich VR, giving William
'Hide's' d., calls him "father of Hester the wife of John Post".
(I've a nasty hunch I've seen something in recent years in TAG or
NEHGSReg on Hyde/Post that should keep me from bothering you, but the
thing - if it exists - eludes me.)
Many thanks.
Cris