Randall Brereton

[Derrick Smith]

I'm seeking information on Sir Randall Brereton, of Malpas, Cheshire,
chamberlain of Chester, knight of the body to King Henry VII, who died
in 1530. Ormerod says he married Eleanor, daughter of Peter Dutton,
Esq., of Hatton, Cheshire. But I found a record dated in the 1530's
in which Isabel, widow of Sir Randall, is mentioned. Was Sir Randall
married twice or is this another Sir Randall?

Thanks for your help! Derrick Smith

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[Leo van de Pas]

This is father and son, son is married to Isabel Butler. These are ancestors
of Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

[ED MANN]

Two questions:

1. What's the line to Prince Charles?

2. Does this Randall Brereton fit in here somehow:

Descendants of Randall Brereton

1 Randall Brereton
+Mary Griffith
2 Jane Brereton
+Nicholas Robinson aka: Bishop of Bangor
3 Piers Robinson aka: Piers Norris
+Margaret Fowke
4 Eleanor Robinson aka: Eleanor Norris
+John Maudit
5 Isaac Maudit
+Elizabeth Berryman

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References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
FMS = Stewart, _Forgotten_Monarchy_of_Scotland_, [page].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Ed,
First the obvious, there are different spellings for Randall/Randal/Randle

Randle Beresford, of Ipsontes
married Catherine Bulkeley
\
Randle Brereton, of Ipstones
married Emma Carrington
\
Sir Randle Brereton, of Ipstones
married Eleanor Dutton
\
Sir Randle Brereton, of Malpas
married Isabel Butler
\
Elizabeth Brereton
married James Starky
\
Alice Starky
married Thomas Skrimshire
\
Sir Thomas Skrimshire, of Aquilate
married Anne Sneyd
\
Anne Skrimshire, of Aquilate
married George Browne
\
Thomas Browne, of Shredicote
married Mary Carr (or Coe)
\
Anne Browne
married Samuel Peploe, Bishop of Chester
\
Anne Peploe
married James Bayley
\
Elizabeth Bayley
married Sir John Parker Mosley, 1st Baronet
\
Frances Mary Mosley
1770-1844
\
Oswald Smith, of Blendon Hall
1794-1863
\
Frances Dora Smith
1830-1922
\
Claude George Bowes-Lyon, 14th Earl of Strathmore & Kinghorne
1855-1944
\
Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, HM the Queen Mother
1900-
\
Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain
1926-
\
Charles, Prince of Wales
1948

Source Gerald Paget, Ancestors etc. of Prince Charles
Sadly I did not see a link with the Breretons you mentioned.
Leo

> O = Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,

[U...@aol.com]

What I have:

Descendants of Randall Brereton

1 Randall Brereton Knight of Malpas, Ipstones and Shocklach, co.
Chester.
2 Elizabeth Brereton
.. +Randall Mainwaring b: in of Over Peover
3 Margaret Mainwaring b: Abt. 1521 d: Bef. 1590
.. +Arthur Mainwaring b: Abt. 1520 d: 04 September 1590 in
Ightfield, Salop, ENG Knighted 1547, M.P. for Shropshire, Commissioner of
the Peace 1561/2, Sheriff 1563 and 1577.
4 Mary Mainwaring b: Abt. 1541 in Ightfield, co Salop d: Bef. 14 June
1578
.. +Richard Cotton b: Abt. 1540 d: 14 June 1602 in Stoke, co.
Warwick, ENG Built the Combermere manor house in 1563, incorporating the
remains of the Abbey.
5 Frances Cotton b: Abt. 1573
.. +George Abell b: Abt. 1561 in Stapenhill d: Abt. 13 September 1630
Gentleman of Hemington, matriculated 8 December 1578 at Brasenose College,
Oxford, and was admitted to the Middle Temple in 1581. Made this bequest: "I
bequeath unto my second sonne Robert Abell onelie a Twentie shillings peece
for his childs parte in regard of ye charges I hav beene at in placing him in
a good trade in London wch hee hath made noe use of and since in furnishing
him for newe England where I hope he now is."
6 Mary Abell b: Abt. 1600 d: Aft. 16 April 1646
6 George Abell b: Abt. 1602
.. +Mary Stanford
6 Robert Abell b: Abt. 1605 in Stapenhill, DBY, ENG d: 20 June
1663 in Rehoboth, MA
.. +Joanna ....
7 Child Abell
7 Abraham Abell b: Bef. 14 November 1639 d: Abt. 14 November 1639
in Weymouth, MA
7 Mary Abell b: 11 April 1642 in Weymouth, MA
.. +Samuel Luther
7 Preserved Abell b: Abt. 1644 in Rehoboth, MA
.. +Martha Redway
7 Caleb Abell b: Abt. 1647 in Rehoboth, MA d: 07 August 1731 in
Norwich, CT
.. +Margaret Post
7 Joshua Abell b: Abt. 1649 in Rehoboth, MA
.. +Mehitabel Smith d: 14 March 1684/85 in Norwich, CT
*2nd Wife of Joshua Abell:
.. +Bethiah Gadger
7 Benjamin Abell b: Abt. 1651 in Rehoboth, MA
.. +Hannah ....
7 Experience Abell b: Abt. 1660 in Rehoboth, MA
.. +John Baldwin
6 Richard Abell b: Abt. 1610 d: Aft. 1631

Source: Faris

Always optimistic--Dave

[ED MANN]

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Leo van de Pas wrote:
>
> Sadly I did not see a link with the Breretons you mentioned.
> Leo

Thanks for the line to Prince Charles. Such a rare and welcome pleasure
to have an actual sharing of medieval genealogy.

[Carole Dutton Malisiak]

Dear Leo,
Re: Sir Randle Brereton, of Ipstones who married Eleanor Dutton. Who is the
mother of Eleanor Dutton? And do you have any dates for the Eleanor and Randle
and for her parents?

Derrick Smith notes: <<Ormerod says he [Brereton] married Eleanor, daughter of
Peter Dutton, Esq., of Hatton, Cheshire.> I have a Peter Dutton of Hatton, Sr.,
(m. Elizabeth dtr of Robert Grosvenor of Hulme) and a Peter Dutton of Hatton,
Jr. (m. Elizabeth dtr of Sir Robert Foulshurst of Crewe)

Thanks in advance,
Carole
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Leo van de Pas wrote:
>

> Dear Ed,
> First the obvious, there are different spellings for Randall/Randal/Randle
>
> Randle Beresford, of Ipsontes
> married Catherine Bulkeley
> \
> Randle Brereton, of Ipstones
> married Emma Carrington
> \
> Sir Randle Brereton, of Ipstones
> married Eleanor Dutton

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> > Leo van de Pas wrote:
> > >

> > > This is father and son, son is married to Isabel Butler. These are
> ancestors
> > > of Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales.
> > > Best wishes
> > > Leo van de Pas

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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Derrick Smith <ramsesplu...@hotmail.com.invalid>

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> > >
> > > > I'm seeking information on Sir Randall Brereton, of Malpas, Cheshire,
> > > > chamberlain of Chester, knight of the body to King Henry VII, who died
> > > > in 1530. Ormerod says he married Eleanor, daughter of Peter Dutton,
> > > > Esq., of Hatton, Cheshire. But I found a record dated in the 1530's
> > > > in which Isabel, widow of Sir Randall, is mentioned. Was Sir Randall
> > > > married twice or is this another Sir Randall?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your help! Derrick Smith

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[Robert O'Connor]

You may be interested in the paternal ancestry of Sir Randall Brereton d
1533 as follows:

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Sir WILLIAM de BRERETON, Kt., of Brereton, Cheshire., Born c. 1325. He
took part in the crusade, under the Black Prince, which restored Peter the
Cruel to the throne of Castile, 1367. He had a grant of free warren in his
demesne lands, 1368, & was a witness before the case of Scrope v. Grosvenor
at the Court of Chivalry, 1369. M 1st Ellen, d. of Philip de Egerton, of
Malpas., & his wife Ellen St Pierre. M 2nd after 1348 Margaret (Living
1418), d. of Henry Done, of Utkinton, Cheshire. Died c. 1381/2. He had
issue by his 1st wife: WSAS I, p 301 HSP Salop, p 67 & Ches, p 41 Burke's
EP, p 74

1.William (Sir), Kt., of Brereton., Born 14 Feb. 1347/8. He was a knight
in 1385. Commissioner of Array, 1404. Sheriff of Cheshire, 1408-11.
Fought at the Battle of Agincourt, 1415. Governor of Calais, 1418. M 1st
1386 Anyill (Died before 1411), d. of Hugh de Venables, of Kinderton. M
2nd Ellen (Died 8. Jan. 1445), d. of Sir William Massey, Kt., of Tatton.
Died 10 Jan. 1426 in Normandy. He had issue by his 1st wife: Burke's LG
1952 Sup, p 58 HSP Ches, p 41
Sir William de Brereton, Kt. (d 1381/2) had further issue by his 2nd wife:

3.RANDLE, of whom we presently.
4.Elizabeth, M William de Cholmondeley.

RANDLE BRERETON, of Malpas, Cheshire & Ipstones, Staffs., Born c. 1380. M
c. 1415 Alice (Born 1396, "aged 3 at her father's death, 1399), d & heiress
of Sir William de Ipstones, Kt., of Blymhill & Ipstones, Staffs. & his wife
Maud, d. of Sir Robert de Swynnerton, Kt., of Swynnerton, Staffs. (See
CORBET). He sued Elizabeth, widow of Sir John de Ipstones, Kt., for waste
in Blymhill, 1423. He was Sheriff of Cheshire, 1428, 1433 & 1436. He had
issue: HSP Salop, p 67 & Ches, p 41 WSAS I, p 301 VCH Staffs V, p 65

1.Randle, of Malpas, Cheshire & Ipstones, Staffs., Born c. 1417. M 1st
Joan, d. of William Holford. M 2nd Katherine, d. of William Bulkeley, of
Eaton. Living in 1468. He had issue by his 2nd wife: WSAS I, p 301

1a.Randle, of Malpas, Cheshire & Ipstones, Staffs., M Emma, d. of John
Carington, of Carington. He had issue: WSAS I, p 303

1b.Randle (Sir), Kt., of Malpas, Cheshire & Ipstones, Staffs., M Eleanor,
d. of Piers Dutton, of Hatton, Cheshire (See DUTTON). Died 1531. He had
issue: WSAS I, p 303

1c.Randle (Sir), Kt., of Malpas, Cheshire., M 1st Ellen, d. of Sir Philip
Egerton, Kt., of Egerton. M 2nd Isabel, d. of Sir Thomas Butler, Kt., of
Bewsey. Died 11 Nov. 1533. He had issue: WSAS I, p 303

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--
Robert O'Connor
roco...@es.co.nz
Christchurch
New Zealand

Derrick Smith <ramsesplu...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in article
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I'm seeking information on Sir Randall Brereton, of Malpas, Cheshire,
chamberlain of Chester, knight of the body to King Henry VII, who died
in 1530. Ormerod says he married Eleanor, daughter of Peter Dutton,
Esq., of Hatton, Cheshire. But I found a record dated in the 1530's
in which Isabel, widow of Sir Randall, is mentioned. Was Sir Randall
married twice or is this another Sir Randall?

Thanks for your help! Derrick Smith