Sir Thomas Etchingham
Peter Sutton
James Tuchet, Lord Audley who was killed at Blore Heath in 1459.
His son John Tuchet Lord Audley, who was Lord Treasurer in 1484, died in
1490. He was married to Margaret Etchingham dau. of Sir Thomas. Can anyone
provide me with information about Margaret's parents and ancestors?
Thank you
Peter Sutton
ED MANN
I have:
Direct Descendants of William de Echingham
1 Sir William de Echingham aka: Knt. ref #: (F95:9)
+Elizabeth ref #: (F95:9)
2 Sir William de Echingham aka: Knt. d: 20 Mar 1412/13 ref #:
(Ä59-35)
+Joan de Arundel aka: Joan FitzAlan d: 1 Sep 1404 ref #: F95:9
3 Sir Thomas de Echingham b: Abt. 1401 d: 15 Oct 1444 ref #: F96:8
+Margaret Knyvett d: Aft. 1466 ref #: (Ä59-36)
4 [1] Anne Echingham d: 7 May 1498
*2nd Husband of [1] Anne Echingham:
+Sir John Tuchet aka: 6th Lord Audley d: 26 Sep 1490 ref #: F270:8
5 Eleanor Tuchet ref #: F270:7
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
Jeff Snavely
Elizabeth Echingham b. 1394 m. Sir Thomas Hoo (EC1:161), Baron Hoo and
Hastings ?
I have:
O = Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
Cristopher Nash
Unfortunately the evidence for Margaret Knyvett as wife of Sir Thomas de
Etchingham is problematical and should not be published (though it has
been) as certain.
Cris
ED MANN
>
> How do these Echingham's relate to William Echingham b. c.1368, father of
> Elizabeth Echingham b. 1394 m. Sir Thomas Hoo (EC1:161), Baron Hoo and
> Hastings ?
Dunno.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ED MANN <EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM>
> To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Sir Thomas Etchingham
>
> Peter Sutton wrote:
> >
> > Many thanks to those who sent me information regarding my previous query
> re:
> > James Tuchet, Lord Audley who was killed at Blore Heath in 1459.
> >
> > His son John Tuchet Lord Audley, who was Lord Treasurer in 1484, died in
> > 1490. He was married to Margaret Etchingham dau. of Sir Thomas. Can
> anyone
> > provide me with information about Margaret's parents and ancestors?
>
> I have:
>
> Direct Descendants of William de Echingham
>
> 1 Sir William de Echingham aka: Knt. ref #: (F95:9)
> +Elizabeth ref #: (F95:9)
> 2 Sir William de Echingham aka: Knt. d: 20 Mar 1412/13 ref #:
> (Ä59-35)
> +Joan de Arundel aka: Joan FitzAlan d: 1 Sep 1404 ref #: F95:9
> 3 Sir Thomas de Echingham b: Abt. 1401 d: 15 Oct 1444 ref #: F96:8
> +Margaret Knyvett d: Aft. 1466 ref #: (Ä59-36)
> 4 [1] Anne Echingham d: 7 May 1498
> *2nd Husband of [1] Anne Echingham:
> +Sir John Tuchet aka: 6th Lord Audley d: 26 Sep 1490 ref #: F270:8
> 5 Eleanor Tuchet ref #: F270:7
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
Richard Borthwick
Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk [CP VI:564]. Etchingham/Echingham is in
Sussex.
Cristopher Nash
>Jeff Snavely wrote:
This Elizabeth is da of 2 , sis of 3, aunt of Elizabeth (da. of Sir Thomas
and sis. of 4). She m.(1), as 2d wife, Sir Thomas Hoo who d. 1420; 2d, Sir
Thomas Lewknor. Sir Thomas de Etchingham mentions her (as his sister
Elizabeth Lewknor) in his will, 1444; there is other documentation of these
marriages.
News from anyone having any information concerning the parents of Elizabeth
de Etchingham -- who is said to have m. John (de) Lunsford and is _claimed_
to be the da. of Sir William (d. 1412) and sister of Sir Thomas (d. 1444)
-- would be devoutly appreciated.
Cris
Cristopher Nash
>I thought Thomas Hoo's first wife was Elizabeth dau. of Nicholas
>Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk [CP VI:564]. Etchingham/Echingham is in
>Sussex.
Yes, this appears to be one of the clearly unfounded assumptions - or
rather, confusions - in CP, though one of the more understandable ones,
given the disarray of accounts of the several Elizabeth (_and_Margaret_) de
Echinghams of this and preceding generations. (I've forgotten to look -
does CP XIV offer no emendation?) (If not, no doubt no one's had suff.
interest to point out the problem.)
Sir Thomas Hoo who m. Eliz. da. & h. of Nicholas Whichingham/Wychingham (of
which marriage one da., Anne), is s. of Sir Thomas Hoo (d. 1420) who m., as
2d wife, Elizabeth de Etchingham (who m, 2d, Sir Thomas Lewknor and left
will 21 Mar 1450/1). There is ample contemporaneous documentation of these
particular (Etchingham/Hoo/Lewknor) relationships.
Purely for others' general genealogical interest (since these fams. are
occasionally discussed in this forum), the Hoos (and the Lewknors) were
intimately connected - financially and maritally - with the (Sussex)
Etchinghams in this period.
Richard Borthwick
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>>Richard Borthwick <rg...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au> wrote --
>>
>>>I thought Thomas Hoo's first wife was Elizabeth dau. of Nicholas
>>>Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk [CP VI:564]. Etchingham/Echingham is in
>>>Sussex.
>>
>>Yes, this appears to be one of the clearly unfounded assumptions - or
>>rather, confusions - in CP, though one of the more understandable ones,
>>given the disarray of accounts of the several Elizabeth (_and_Margaret_) de
>>Echinghams of this and preceding generations. (I've forgotten to look -
>>does CP XIV offer no emendation?) (If not, no doubt no one's had suff.
>>interest to point out the problem.)