How did Abel Tasman die?
Lex Johnson
The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
what he died of? A friend of mine needs to know for a school project.
Many thanks,
Lex.
Lex Johnson
Queensland, Australia.
J Prescott
<l.jo...@cqu.edu.au> writes
>Hello All,
>
>The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
>what he died of? A friend of mine needs to know for a school project.
Has your friend tried the library?
Joanna
Chris Williams
<Joa...@lotos-land.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <373F76D6...@cqu.edu.au>, Lex Johnson
> <l.jo...@cqu.edu.au> writes
> >The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
> >what he died of? A friend of mine needs to know for a school project.
The answer, Lex, is here:
http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/lists/rre/The_art_of_getting_help.
Did everyone else see that? It's easy.
Chris
Laura Blanchard
ERROR! I couldn't locate the document you're looking for!
You could search for it with our search engine.
You could start navigating from the CPSR home page.
You could plead your case with the Webmaster via e-mail.
E-mail webm...@cpsr.org with questions or comments.
That's what I get when I go to that page. So it wasn't so easy.
Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu
Brant Gibbard
<lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/lists/rre/The_art_of_getting_help.
>>
>> Did everyone else see that? It's easy.
>>
>> Chris
>
>ERROR! I couldn't locate the document you're looking for!
>
>You could search for it with our search engine.
>
>You could start navigating from the CPSR home page.
>
>You could plead your case with the Webmaster via e-mail.
>
> E-mail webm...@cpsr.org with questions or comments.
>
>That's what I get when I go to that page. So it wasn't so easy.
>
I got exactly the same thing until I realised that the "." at the end
of the URL he gave is not just the end of the sentence, but is
actually part of the URL.
I would suggest that the people maintaining this page might want to
change the name of the page to something less confusing!!
Brant Gibbard
bgib...@inforamp.net
Toronto, Ont.
Laura Blanchard
> >> http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/lists/rre/The_art_of_getting_help.
[snip my "file not found" complaint.]
> I got exactly the same thing until I realised that the "." at the end
> of the URL he gave is not just the end of the sentence, but is
> actually part of the URL.
Ha! It fooled Netscape, too. I clicked on the link and got nada. Thanks
very much, Brant!
Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu
Laura Blanchard
> >> http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/lists/rre/The_art_of_getting_help.
I went to the URL listed at the bottom of the page, got referred to a
new site, and found this fascinating page:
http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/tno.html
For anyone feeling the least bit contemplative or reflective about how
communities grow, evolve, get sick, and die on the internet, this is a
collection of stimulating commentaries. I plan to add it to my
"netiquette" resources on my shm page.
Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu
Chris Williams
> I went to the URL listed at the bottom of the page, got referred to a
> new site, and found this fascinating page:
>
> http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/tno.html
Haha - maybe I should withdraw the pox that I've just prounced on caches:
without them I'd have sent you straight to the right place and you'd never
have got interestingly lost.
I've been on Phil Agre's mailing list - 'Red Rock Eater' - for years now,
and I love it.
Chris
Chris Williams
> Ha! It fooled Netscape, too.
Fooled me 'n all. Sorry, caches, all is forgiven. An interesting example
of software doing what it thinks we want it to do (strip out the full
stop) rather than what we want it to do (send us to the URL).
Chris
Brant Gibbard
wrote:
Actually, my question would be why would you want a period in the URL?
It's only going to confuse people.
I did copy the URL exactly as you wrote it to IE5, but before
pressing the return key noticed the period and (mistakenly, obviously)
assumed that was just a puncutation mark in your posting, and
hand-deleted it. Only when I saw the file-not-found did I go back and
put the period back in. I suspect that if most people wrote down your
URL they would not put in the period.
John Steele Gordon
>
> In article <37405BAB...@pobox.upenn.edu>, lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu wrote:
>
> > Ha! It fooled Netscape, too.
>
> Fooled me 'n all. Sorry, caches, all is forgiven. An interesting example
> of software doing what it thinks we want it to do (strip out the full
> stop) rather than what we want it to do (send us to the URL).
cannot seem to grasp how the other ninety-nine percent of the human race
thinks. As a consequence, their instructions for how to use their
products, especially software, are often simply incomprehensible because
they are written by people who know exactly what they are supposed to do
and can't imagine *not* knowing exactly what to do. The idea that it is
strangers who need maps, not natives, is an utterly alien concept.
Can you imagine the dashboard of your car suddenly flashing "ERROR 1654"
at you at sixty miles an hour? And then--after half an hour of reading
the manual by the side of the road--you find out that all it means is
that your left rear parking light bulb has burned out? Of course not,
General Motors has learned that its customers are licensed drivers not
automotive engineers and acts accordingly.
I've often thought that the people who write the instructions for
software should be sent to cooking school and taught the art of writing
recipes. Recipes are nothing but a logical sequence of step-by-step
instructions for doing a complex task. Right now, a computer person's
idea of a recipe for devil's food cake is "You need the ground fermented
seeds of Theobroma cacao for this. Mix ingredients. Bake." Of course if
you go to "Help" it will turn out that "seeds," "Theobroma cacao,"
"ingredients," and "bake," will not be in the index.
JSG
sk...@ix.netcom.com
On Mon, 17 May 1999 14:19:57 -0400, Laura Blanchard
<lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Starting from:
>
>> >> http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/lists/rre/The_art_of_getting_help.
>
>I went to the URL listed at the bottom of the page, got referred to a
>new site, and found this fascinating page:
>
> http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/tno.html
>
Todd A. Farmerie
Heart failure - one way or another.
taf
Laura Blanchard
> sk...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
<splork!>
Right. For more details, try a library.
Regards,
Laura Blanchard
lbla...@pobox.upenn.edu
l. akershoek
I saw nine replies to your request already (and more might follow) and
nobody even touched your question.
In fact, one could have answered your specific question just in one
sentence, but no. Some people started even a discussion concerning a
web-page or send you looking somewhere else.
As a school project is involved, may be the following information (you might
already have) may add just a little bit to that project, but to be honest, I
do not have the answer to your simple, specific question, (naturel death?,
he was 56 years old), but would like to give you some other facts concerning
my fellow-countryman.
Abel was a Dutch sailor and explorer, born in 1603. His father, as so very
many Dutchmen, was named: Jan.
Abel was the first person ever known to sail around (what we call now:)
Australie, and on November 24, 1642 he discovered an island (south-east od
Australie), that he named: "Van Diemensland" and now, since 1855, called,
after him: Tasmanie.
I hope, that someone else will give you the answer you are looking for.
Success with the project.
\|/
(°_°)
_ooO0_______0Ooo_
Leo Akershoek
l.ake...@hccnet.nl
My hobby?
Digging-up dead relatives!
Paul J Gans
While not arguing with your main thrust, I would note
that real automotive gauges that might actually tell
you what was happening have been turned into "idiot
lights" that flash red when they think something is
wrong. I've sat by the side of the road when a light
I didn't know existed suddenly flashed red. The
equivalent of Error 1654. Turned out it was the
emission control system warning me that I needed to get
my catalytic converter changed. (The fact that there
was such a light sure dates me... ;-)
I agree that "intuitive" interfaces (computer, automotive,
or what have you) are excellent for the new initiate, but
nobody stays "new initiate" for long. Current operating
systems made by *that* company are excellent at hiding
what is really going on. At least, that's my opinion.
------ Paul J. Gans [ga...@panix.com]
D. Spencer Hines
Your 'young friend' is your child or the child of a close friend?
DSH
--
D. Spencer Hines --- Lady Astor, nee Nancy Witcher Langhorne of
Danville, Virginia [1879-1964] --- First Woman to serve as an MP ---
[Conservative, Plymouth] --- a Teetotaller, Appeaser [Hostess for the
"Cliveden Set"] and Ardent Francophobe; at a dinner party with Winston
Leonard Spencer Churchill (1874-1965): "Winston, you're drunk!" WLSC:
"Yes Madam, I am --- and you are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be
sober --- and you will still be ugly."
Lex Johnson <l.jo...@cqu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:37439BEB...@cqu.edu.au...
> Hello All,
>
> Many thanks to those who took an interest in my previous question,
even
> though no-one seemed to know the answer. The secondary thread has
> developed a life of its own and will probably continue for a while.
>
> In response to one very appropriate question, yes, we consulted the
> library resources in this region. This city (with about 60,000
people)
> is privileged with having three libraries (one at the university and
two
> small ones funded by the local government administration), but none
hold
> books that say how Abel Janszoon Tasman died.
>
> My young friend's schoolteacher seems to know how the famous
explorer
> died (but hasn't yet told the 11 year olds in the class) and we were
> kind of hoping that someone in these discussion groups could help.
>
> Many thanks,
> Lex Johnson
> Rockhampton, Australia.
> ___________________________________________________
>
> Lex Johnson wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone
tell me
>
> what he died of? A friend of mine needs to know for a school
project.
>
Lex Johnson
Lex Johnson
Lex Johnson
Evert Dijkema
"Nijhoffs Geschiedenislexicon Nederland en België" (History lexicon Netherlands
and Belgium) the following:
"Tasman, Abel Janszoon, Dutch navigator, * 1603 Lugjegast, + (?).10.1659
Batavia. ... Visited Australia in 1644 and Siam and the Philippines in 1648. Was
dismissed (from the VOC, the Dutch East-India Company, I assume) because of
maltreatment of a subordinate and settled down as a free burgher merchant in
Batavia (Jakarta)."
This does not exactly describe how AT died, but gives some facts about his life
after 1642. There is more about Abel Tasman in the book "Tasman's Legacy, The
New Zealand - Dutch Connection" by Hank Schouten, Wellington NZ, which must be
in some NZ public libray, I should think.
What is really fascinating about Tasman's visit to New Zealand (may one use the
word "discovery", the dreaded "D-word", these days?) in 1642 is that, after he
left in a hurry, because of the aggressive behaviour of the NZ native Maoris,
the next visit by a westerner was not until 1769, an unbelievable 127 years
later. Historians have often speculated about what would have happened if the
American native populations would not have been so welcoming to Columbus and the
explorers after him. Perhaps, the Tasman/Cook story gives the answer?
Best wishes, Evert Dijkema
Renia Simmonds
was that he died a wealthy man. Seems nobody has any info on him.
Renia
Evert Dijkema wrote:
> Dear readers. I noticed the question about Abel Tasman's death. I quote from
> "Nijhoffs Geschiedenislexicon Nederland en Belgiė" (History lexicon Netherlands
Chris Williams
<l.jo...@cqu.edu.au> wrote:
> In response to one very appropriate question, yes, we consulted the
> library resources in this region.
Exellent. We're getting there. What books have you looked at? If you ask a
question and say: "We've already looked in these places", then the chances
of someone ansering it for you go up a lot.
Chris
rleutner
but my Time-Life book on The Pacific Navigators says Abel
Tasman retired from the sea in 1651 as a wealthy landowner in
Batavia, aged 48, and died in 1659, leaving a bequest to the
poor of his native village in Holland ("and a much-improved
understanding of the geography of the South Seas to the
world"). My guess is that whatever records there are don't go
past this, and that how Abel died is now unknowable. This
series, I'm sure, given its penchant for a good yarn, would
have noted anything related to his travels, like a recurring
tropical fever or an old wound or a duel or something. He died
in his late 50s, neither young nor old for a man of his time.
My $.02.
Bob Leutner
Iowa City IA
========================================
IOWA genealogy, family history research.
========================================
Lex Johnson
information was collected for a primary school project by a work colleague's child.
Unless someone else finds particular interest in this topic, it could be put to rest
now as the project has been submitted. We're eagerly waiting for the schoolteacher to
tell the children how Tasman died.
As for which books were used, I'm really not sure although I'm aware that there are
very few history books covering that era within 600km of here.
Best wishes,
Lex Johnson.
Queensland, Australia
Renia Simmonds wrote:
> In hunting around for why Tasman died, all I came up with, on-line through Yahoo,
> was that he died a wealthy man. Seems nobody has any info on him.
>
> Renia
>
> Evert Dijkema wrote:
>
> > Dear readers. I noticed the question about Abel Tasman's death. I quote from
> > "Nijhoffs Geschiedenislexicon Nederland en België" (History lexicon Netherlands
> > and Belgium) the following:
> >
> > "Tasman, Abel Janszoon, Dutch navigator, * 1603 Lugjegast, + (?).10.1659
> > Batavia. ... Visited Australia in 1644 and Siam and the Philippines in 1648. Was
> > dismissed (from the VOC, the Dutch East-India Company, I assume) because of
> > maltreatment of a subordinate and settled down as a free burgher merchant in
> > Batavia (Jakarta)."
> >
> > This does not exactly describe how AT died, but gives some facts about his life
> > after 1642. There is more about Abel Tasman in the book "Tasman's Legacy, The
> > New Zealand - Dutch Connection" by Hank Schouten, Wellington NZ, which must
> > be in some NZ public library, I should think.
> >
> > Best wishes, Evert Dijkema
Chris Williams
<Pine.A41.3.95.990522...@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>, rleutner
<rleu...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
> My guess is that whatever records there are don't go
> past this, and that how Abel died is now unknowable.
Maybe not. The place to look would be in a decent specialist maritime
history of the netherlands in the C17th. Hopefully in there will be a
reference to some local records that can be re-checked.
Chris
rleutner
mile that Chris suggests. But the Time-Life paragraphs I
mentioned note a bequest to the poor of his native village,
which ids the kind of thing a popular history writer would
toss out in the absence of any other info about his
death--and is precisely the minimal kind of info you'd
expect to find for a moderately old guy who died at home and
in bed, and without contentious heirs.
On
Chris Williams
<Pine.A41.3.95.990525...@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>, rleutner
<rleu...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:
> If I really cared how Abel died, I would indeed go the xtra
> mile that Chris suggests. But the Time-Life paragraphs I
> mentioned note a bequest to the poor of his native village,
> which ids the kind of thing a popular history writer would
> toss out in the absence of any other info about his
> death
Prosibly. But it also shores up 'Able Tasman - nice guy' quite well.
It's quite plausible that there's other more boring stuff around.
Life is, as usual, too bloody short.
Chris
emily.st...@sydstu.catholic.edu.au
> Hello All,
>
> The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
> what he died of? A friend of mine needs to know for a school project.
>
> Many thanks,
> Lex.
>
> Lex Johnson
> Queensland, Australia.
jacks...@gmail.com
jinf...@gmail.com
> Hello All,
>
> The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
> what he died of? A friend of mine needs to know for a school project.
>
> Many thanks,
> Lex.
>
> Lex Johnson
> Queensland, Australia.
jinf...@gmail.com
18pu...@ellesmere.school.nz
> Hello All,
>
> The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
> what he died of?
>
>
> morgan
> canturbury new zealand
wd...@schools.vic.edu.au
> Hello All,
>
> The Dutch explorer Abel Jansz Tasman died in 1659. Can anyone tell me
>
> Many thanks,
> Lex.
>
> Lex Johnson
> Queensland, Australia.