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Henry Carey's natural son by Emilia Bassano "The Dark Lady"

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There have been several recent posts on Henry Carey, Lord Hunsdon
(1524-96), as possibly being the son of Henry VIII as per the
excellent article by Anthony Hoskins in the March 1997 issue of
"Genealogist's Magazine." However, neither Hoskins nor anyone here
appears to have yet addressed the evidence brought forward by eminent
historian A.L. Rowse that Henry Carey fathered a son by his mistress
Emilia Bassano (1570-1654), who later became, according to Rowse,
Shakespeare's "Dark Lady". If true, it is certainly possible that
Carey and therefore possibly Henry VIII have additional descendants.
I suppose comparison of DNA from Carey male line descendants with DNA
from deceased male Tudors or DNA from other male-line Welsh relatives
of the Tudors (which certainly do exist) would be the only way to
prove whether Henry Carey was or was not the son of Henry VIII.

Emilia Bassano's son by Henry Carey, was named Henry and born in 1592.
Carey arranged Emilia's marriage to court musician Alphonse Lanier to
give the child legitimacy and the son became known as Henry Lanier.
He was trained as a flutist and became a court musician before dying
in 1633. Henry Lanier married Joyce Mansfied in the 1620s and
fathered two children, Henry (born 1629) and Mary (born 1627). Per
the IGI, Mary Lanier married Henry Young in Mar 1652 in Cottenham,
Cambridge.

A Lanier family web page reports that Emilia Bassano, wife of Alphonse
Lanier, also gave birth to a daughter named Odillia Lanier in 1598,
but this daughter died young. I wonder who Odillia's real father
might have been (Shakespeare? The Earl of Southampton? Her Husband?
Henry Carey was already deceased). To help those who have not yet
read much about Henry Carey's son by Emilia, here are a few paragraphs
from page 154 of "Shakespeare: The Evidence" by Ian Wilson (1993).

"...thus leaving as by far the most convincing Dark Lady one
discovered by chance by Dr. A.L. Rowse. During the early 1970s, in
Oxford's Bodleian Library, browsing through the notebooks of London
astrologer Simon Forman ..., Rowse's attention became drawn to
Forman's jottings on a married couple who consulted him independently,
but within four days of each other, in mid-May 1597. The husband was
the royal musician Alphonse Lanier, born of a musical family that
hailed originally from Rouen, France. His wife was Emilia, daughter
of another royal musician Battista Bassano, who had died back in 1576,
and who likewise was of a very musical family that hailed originally
from Venice.
As noted by Forman for the dossier he built up for astrological
purposes, Emilia told him that 'She was paramour to my old Lord
Hunsdon that was Lord Chamberlain and was maintained in great pride.'
This Lord Hunsdon was elderly Henry Carey, a first cousin of the
Queen, and Elizabeth's Lord Chamberlain from 1583 until his death in
1596. According to Emilia, Hunsdon had set her up 'with great pomp'
but then in 1592 she became pregnant 'with child' by him, whereupon
'for colour' it was arranged for her to be married off to the
'minstrel' Alphonse Lanier."

Rowse's "Dark Lady" theory rests on the fact she was the type of woman
who would have snared both Shakespeare and his patron, the Earl of
Southampton, and as further evidence noted that Southamptan obtained
for Emilia's husband "a monopoly on the weighing of hay into
Westminster (on the site of the present Haymarket)" (Wilson p. 155)

While I will not judge on the "Dark Lady" possibility, it does appear
likely that Henry Carey had an illegitimate son by Emilia. See also
the entry for Emilia Lanier in "Who's Who in Shakespeare's England" by
Alan and Veronica Palmer (1999 edition), which has a good summary of
Emilia's life and notes that she reformed herself later in life. In
1611 she published a long religious poem vindicating the women of the
bible. And in 1633 she sued her Lanier brother-in-law for funds to
help support her orphaned grandchildren. She later received a royal
pension and died in 1654 at age 84. Best Regards.

History Writer

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> She later received a royal pension and died in 1654 at age 84. Best Regards.

I need to correct the above statement. Emilia Bassano actually died
in 1645 at age 75 or 76. "Who's Who in Shakespeare's England" is
incorrect. (This points why it is important to check several sources,
whenever possible.)

I should also note that historian Alison Weir in "Henry VIII, The King
and his Court" completely dismisses the possibility that Henry Carey
was Henry VIII's son basing her view on the fact that the King's
affair with Mary Boleyn was over by the time Henry Carey was born in
1526.

As for the possibility of DNA testing, males of Henry VIII's Tudor
family, according to peerage books, should share the same Y chromosome
DNA, with among other Welsh families, the Williams-Bulkeley Baronets
and the Barons Mostyn. As for the Carey's, the Cary Viscounts
Falkland, descend from Mary Boleyn's husband's nephew, the 1st
Viscount.

For more details on the Bassano and Lanier families check the
following web site (starting at Chapter 6):
"http://balcro.com/carol.html". It is worth noting that the first
Lanier from this family immigrated to Virginia in 1656 and he was also
of Bassano descent (though a marriage of Emilia's cousin, Lucrecia,
with musician Nicholas Lanier). Since the Bassano's were of Sephardic
Jewish origin, this would provide some Italian and Sephardic Jewish
ancestry for the many American descendants of the Lanier settlers,
such as playwright Tennessee Williams (ne Thomas Lanier Williams) (see
"Notable Kin" (Vol. 2) by Gary Boyd Roberts, starting at page 166).

The following is by Carol Middleton from
""http://balcro.com/carol.html"

"Finally, the other claim to fame for Emilia Bassano was that of
having been, without a doubt, the mistress of William Shakespeare. We
say "without a doubt", though this theory, advanced in The Times by
the historian A. L. Rowse, is subject to controversy. But all the
evidence seems to suggest it. Emilia's mother, as we know, was named
Margaret Johnson: she was the aunt of Robert Johnson, lutenist and
composer, musician for Shakespeare's theater company. Another piece of
evidence is the fact that the Lord Chamberlain, Lord Hunsdon, Emilia's
lover, became in 1594 the patron of Shakespeare's company of actors.
The scant facts which are known of Shakespeare's biography will never
allow absolute certainty. Shakespeare's sonnets are made up of two
parts: the first, dedicated to a young man he became very attached to,
most probably the young Count of Southampton the second has for its
theme the love of the poet for a woman of easy virtue ("The bay where
all men ride"), though married, with dark hair and eyes, known as the
"Dark Lady". We know that Emilia, Italian, was of Sephardic Jewish
origin, thus of a very Mediterranean type. Another strange
coincidence: the romantic character in the Merchant of Venice is a
Venetian named ... Bassanio. Where did Shakespeare hunt up this name,
and where did he get his detailed knowledge of Italy? Moreover, actors
and musicians mixed freely at the Court, and one knows that
Shakespeare, as well as Ben Jonson, collaborated with Thomas Lupo,
another relative of Emilia's through marriage. Finally, Shakespeare,
in one of these sonnets, calls his mistress "my music". Who, more than
Emilia-Bassano by birth, Lanier by marriage-was immersed in music,
even if we do not know if she herself was a musician?"
(END) Best Regards.

D. Spencer Hines

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Capital!

Several of us right here on these newsgroups have these folks as ancestors!

Didn't Cameron Allen recently do an article on the Bassanos and Laniers?

Where was it published?

I can hardly be accused of "Anti-Semitism" henceforth ---- since it appears I
have Jewish blood myself ---- from Sephardic Italian Jews in the 16th
Century ---- the Bassanos ---- who came from Venice, as I recall.

Emilia Bassano appears to be the 1st Cousin of Lucrecia Bassano. Jeronimo
Bassano is reportedly the Grandfather of both women. Can you confirm that?

I now have certified hunting rights. <g>

Viva Italia!

Mazel Tov!

And:

Sholem Aleichem!

Deeeeelightful! ---- As T.R. Would Say....

Deus Vult.

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Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

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> Capital!
>
> Several of us right here on these newsgroups have these folks as ancestors!
>
> Didn't Cameron Allen recently do an article on the Bassanos and Laniers?
>
> Where was it published?
>
> I can hardly be accused of "Anti-Semitism" henceforth ---- since it appears I
> have Jewish blood myself ---- from Sephardic Italian Jews in the 16th
> Century ---- the Bassanos ---- who came from Venice, as I recall.
>
> Emilia Bassano appears to be the 1st Cousin of Lucrecia Bassano. Jeronimo
> Bassano is reportedly the Grandfather of both women. Can you confirm that?
>

I am not aware of Cameron Allen's article, but would be pleased to
read it. I just checked the Bassano genealogical info as prepared by
Carol Middleton on http://www.balcro.com/bassano.html. The Lucrecia
who married Nicholas Lanier (grandparents of Virginia settler John
Lanier) was actually Emilia Bassano's aunt and not cousin (as stated
elsewhere). Lucrecia and Emilia's father, Baptista, were both being
children of Antonio Bassano. Composer Jeronimo Bassano was another
brother of Baptista and Lucrecia.

Anthony Wagner in "English Genealogy" page 258, notes that the Bassano
family still has descendants in England today. Among his references
is the Visitation of London, 1633-34. This may the first and only
family of Jewish origin recorded in a Visitation (I would be happy to
be corrected on this point).

Finally, historian Rowse's last word on this was in 1995 in his "New
Preface" to a reissue of his 1962 biography of Shakespeare:

"Emilia Bassano was the daughter of one of the Queen's musicians, and
Lord Hunsdon was a first cousin of the Queen. When this half-Italian
young lady became pregnant she was properly married off to another of
the Queen's musicians, Alphone Lanier. This took place at the very
time that Shakespeare fell for the talented, musical lady now down on
her luck.
Everything Forman tells us about her, and his intercourse with her,
is completely consistent with what Shakespeare tells us. So too the
dates, ages of those involved in the story, their personalities and
characteristics, their experiences and relations with each other. It
is an extraordinary story, anchored in all the facts. When we have
all the facts correct, all the evidence from Forman and Shakespeare,
both external and internal, consistent in every point, then the
historian knows that we have certainty. Emilia Bassano, young Mrs.
Lanier, is no conjectural 'candidate' -- she is the Dark Lady. As
Professor Nevill Coghill at Oxford saw at once, he wrote, "This is the
woman, this is the very She."
Once more Shakespeare, like all real writers, made use of his
experience. In 'All's Well that Ends Well" he recognisably used up
Southampton's on-going experience, about marriage, adventures abroad,
etc. In creating the character of Cleopatra, Shakespeare is
remembering Emilia Bassano. The clue to Cleopatra is that she was an
alien; Emilia was half-alien. Cleopatra's temperment and tantrums are
those of the tempermental young mistress in the Sonnets. Roger Prior,
of Queen's University, Belfast, who knows more about the Bassanos, has
shown that -- like Southampton's tutor, John Florio -- they were
Italian Jews. This is reflected in 'The Merchant of Venice':
Shakespear was close to his subject again.
Emilia's brother-in-law emigrated to America. Hence the Lanier
descendants there, including Sidney Lanier, poet and musician. The
Bassanos continue today in England."

Cleopatra! Wow! Well, Rowse was a little off on the relationship of
Emilia's husband to the Lanier settler in America (uncle-nephew).
Fascinating story. Best Regards.

D. Spencer Hines

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Delightful!

But as to the precise relationships, wait for the article by Cameron Allen on
the Bassanos and Laniers. You may want to change a few things.

Someone here should know all about it.

Perhaps David Greene can tell us.

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

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contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted
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> Delightful!
>
> But as to the precise relationships, wait for the article by Cameron Allen on
> the Bassanos and Laniers. You may want to change a few things.
>
> Someone here should know all about it.
>
> Perhaps David Greene can tell us.
>

Thank you for your interest in this subject. I should apologize for
my errors. Due to Carol Middleton's confusing organization of the
data, I initially did not see clearly that Lucrecia, wife of Nicholas
Lanier, and Emilia Bassano were, as you initially stated, first
cousins and granddaughters of Jeronimo Bassano, a musician in Venice.
A new and thorough study of the Bassano and Laniers families would
certainly be welcome. If one has been already done, please advise. I
look forward to seeing Cameron Allen's study.

Of note is that Lucrecia Bassano (wife of Nicholas Lanier and
grandmother of John Lanier who settled in Virgina) was the daughter of
Venetians Antonio Bassano and his wife Elena da Nazzi, who settled in
England. Bassano and Nasi (Nazzi may be a variant) are well known
Jewish families from Venice. "Jews of Europe and the Inquisition of
Venice, 1550-1670" by Brian Pullan (1983) records two cases of
Venice's inquisition dealing with Bassano family members. In one case
from 1590 involving the Bassanos in Verona, Marco Bassano is accused
of kidnapping his teenage nephew, Agostino, from a monastery.
Agostino had converted to Christianity at age 14 or 15. As for the
Nasi family, Don Joseph de Nasi, originally from Venice, became a
trusted adviser to Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, and ended
his days as the Ottoman Duke of Naxos. Cecil Roth wrote two books on
the Nasi family: "The House of Nasi: The Duke of Naxos" (1948) and
"The House of Nasi: Dona Gracia" (1947). There may be a connection
between the Nasi family and Elena, wife of Antonio Bassano, but
clearly further research in Venice would be necessary.

Finally, the following quote about Jews in Venice is from Jane
Gerber's "The Jews of Spain" (1992):

"Venice offered a curios mixture of tolerance and intolerance,
reflecting the general tides of fortune of Italy's Jews. As early as
1492, the city forced its Jews to wear distinguishing hats (yellow
until 1500, then red). Its ghetto was established in 1516 on the site
of an iron foundry, from which the word "ghetto" derives, and would
eventually become one of the most crowded in Europe, enduring until
1797. Yet its denizens were profoundly Italinized and highly prized
the city's flourishing secular culture. We know that Jewish dance
masters and musicians delighted the community, while rabbis were vexed
by the prevalence of cardplaying on the Sabbath and by the frequency
of amorous liaisons between Christians and Jews." (End Quote.) Best
Regards.

D. Spencer Hines

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Many Lanier descendants -- and there must be tens of thousands of them in the
United States, many in the Southern States -- are probably going to be rather
surprised to find they have "Jewish Blood" from Lucreece [Lucretia] Bassano --
Reportedly Born: 24 September 1556, London, Middlesex, England -- Died: 4
January 1633/34, Rochester, East Greenwich, England -- Buried: 9 January
1633/34, East Greenwich, Kent, England.

She was reportedly married to Nicholas Lanier [circa 1530, Rouen -- 28 January
1611/12 Rochester, East Greenwich, England] on 13 February 1570/71, at All
Hallows, Barking, England

I find it rather delightful. I seem to be 1/4096th "Jewish" ---- or about
.02%.

And a Sephardic ancestor too!

As well as Italian, musical...and a Veniziana [sp.?]....

And then the cousin connection to "The Dark Lady" of the Shakespearean sonnets
is really the icing on the cake and the champagne.

My glass runneth over.... <g>

Mazel Tov!

Sholem Aleichem.

Viva Italia!

Ciao Bambina,

David Greene

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So far as I am aware, Cameron Allen has not yet published his major
research on Bassano-Lanier. However, he has an article in the October
2002 TAG on one aspect of the immigrant Lanier family: "Hannah
(Collett) Lanier and Her Parents: Wife of Clement Lanier and Mother of
John1 Lanier, the Virginia Immigrant."

DAVID GREENE

D. Spencer Hines

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Have you seen any evidence indicating that the Laniers may also, at one time,
have been Jewish, David?

D. Spencer Hines

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>
> Of note is that Lucrecia Bassano (wife of Nicholas Lanier and
> grandmother of John Lanier who settled in Virgina) was the daughter of
> Venetians Antonio Bassano and his wife Elena da Nazzi, who settled in
> England. Bassano and Nasi (Nazzi may be a variant) are well known

Enc. of Islam II under "Nasi:' (Hebr.)" says it was a title given in
judeo-islamic societies for people claiming Davidic descent and held
in high esteem by muslims.

> Jewish families from Venice. "Jews of Europe and the Inquisition of
> Venice, 1550-1670" by Brian Pullan (1983) records two cases of
> Venice's inquisition dealing with Bassano family members. In one case
> from 1590 involving the Bassanos in Verona, Marco Bassano is accused
> of kidnapping his teenage nephew, Agostino, from a monastery.
> Agostino had converted to Christianity at age 14 or 15. As for the
> Nasi family, Don Joseph de Nasi, originally from Venice, became a
> trusted adviser to Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, and ended

I don't know when he first came to ottoman lands but his prominence at
court is during Suleyman I's much less capable son Sultan Selim II,
known to turks as the Fair (sarI = "yellow")and western historians as
Selim the Sot.

he was a financier and an exporter of wines from Crete (and reputedly
got away from paying the taxes), as well as acquiring the title of
Duke (apparently a sancakbeg~i / sancakbeyi, i.e. sanjaqbegi, in
turkish). rumor has it that he encouraged the Sultan to invade Cyprus
(held by the Venetians) by enticing him with the reputation of the
islands' wines. as the nickname of the Sultan indicates the Sultan was
fond of wine. actually there were military reasons for the invasion.
again according to rumor he hoped to be "King of Cyprus" and styled
himself so, but was not granted it, according to rumor on the advice
of the capable Grand Vizier Sokollu Mehmed Pasha.

these and other details were he subject of turkish archivist Murat
Bardakc,I's newspaper column in a popular turkish newspaper recently
(June 22, 2003). for those who can read turkish it is found here:

http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/yazarlar/yazar/0,,sid~9@tarih~2003-06-22-m@nvid~282448,00.asp

a.spencer3

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Yeh, I always thought he was a bit mixed up.

Surreyman


History Writer

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> Have you seen any evidence indicating that the Laniers may also, at one time,
> have been Jewish, David?
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>

I believe the Laniers might have been Huguenots. I have not seen them
described as Jews. Best Regards.

D. Spencer Hines

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Fair Enough.

I have Huguenots aplenty.

Cheers & Aloha,

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

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> hbv...@aol.com (History Writer) wrote in message news:<3943286.03070...@posting.google.com>...
>
> >
> > Of note is that Lucrecia Bassano (wife of Nicholas Lanier and
> > grandmother of John Lanier who settled in Virgina) was the daughter of
> > Venetians Antonio Bassano and his wife Elena da Nazzi, who settled in
> > England. Bassano and Nasi (Nazzi may be a variant) are well known
>
> Enc. of Islam II under "Nasi:' (Hebr.)" says it was a title given in
> judeo-islamic societies for people claiming Davidic descent and held
> in high esteem by muslims.
>
> > Jewish families from Venice. "Jews of Europe and the Inquisition of
> > Venice, 1550-1670" by Brian Pullan (1983) records two cases of
> > Venice's inquisition dealing with Bassano family members. In one case
> > from 1590 involving the Bassanos in Verona, Marco Bassano is accused
> > of kidnapping his teenage nephew, Agostino, from a monastery.
> > Agostino had converted to Christianity at age 14 or 15. As for the
> > Nasi family, Don Joseph de Nasi, originally from Venice, became a
> > trusted adviser to Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, and ended
>
> I don't know when he first came to ottoman lands but his prominence at
> court is during Suleyman I's much less capable son Sultan Selim II,
> known to turks as the Fair (sarI = "yellow")and western historians as
> Selim the Sot.

OK. he was in ottoman lands and at court during Suleyman I, having
soem influence, but his main influence and notoriety was during Selim
II whom he had suported during the struggle with his half-brother
while they were princes.

see Enc. Judaica, "Nasi" (for the title), "Nasi, Garcia," "Nasi,
Jospeh" and "Suleiman I".

Don Stone

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History Writer wrote:
> [snip] I just checked the Bassano genealogical info as prepared by

> Carol Middleton on http://www.balcro.com/bassano.html. The Lucrecia
> who married Nicholas Lanier (grandparents of Virginia settler John
> Lanier) was actually Emilia Bassano's aunt and not cousin (as stated
> elsewhere). Lucrecia and Emilia's father, Baptista, were both being
> children of Antonio Bassano. Composer Jeronimo Bassano was another
> brother of Baptista and Lucrecia.

Another Virginia descendant of Antonio Bassano is given in the Bassano
pedigree on vol. 2, pp. 575-6 of History and Gazetteer of the County of Derby,
published by Stephen Glover and edited by Thomas Noble, 1829-33. Here is
the line:

Anthony Bassano = Elina de Nazzi
____________|
|
Arthur Bassano = Margaret Lothbury
____________|
|
Anthony Bassano = Dorothy Hinde
____________|
|
Richard Bassano of Stone, = Katherine, dau. of Francis Collier
Co. Stafford, and of Staples' | of Stone, Co. Stafford, Esq.,
Inn, London, b. 1605, d. ca. | m. 1647, d. 1699.
1666. |________
|
Anne Bassano, eldest dau., went to
Virginia, N. America, and
married ______________. This is
presumably the Anna Bassano, dau.
of Richardi who was bp. 1651 at
Stone, acc. to the IGI.

Does anyone know anything about Anna in Virginia?

-- Don Stone

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> Another Virginia descendant of Antonio Bassano is given in the Bassano
> pedigree on vol. 2, pp. 575-6 of History and Gazetteer of the County of Derby,
> published by Stephen Glover and edited by Thomas Noble, 1829-33. Here is
> the line:
> |
> Anne Bassano, eldest dau., went to
> Virginia, N. America, and
> married ______________. This is
> presumably the Anna Bassano, dau.
> of Richardi who was bp. 1651 at
> Stone, acc. to the IGI.
>
> Does anyone know anything about Anna in Virginia?
>
> -- Don Stone

Thank you for your interest in this topic. I do not have information
on Anne Bassano in Virginia, but hope someone will be able to locate
her. I have noticed that Virginia migrant John Lanier's wife, Lucrece
(i.e, Lucretia), whose surname is often given as unknown (such as in
Gary Boyd Roberts's "Notable Kin" vol 2 page 175), is listed as a
Bassano in the IGI. Lucretia was a common name in the Bassano family.
As Virginia settler John Lanier's grandmother is also a Bassano, they
were presumably second cousins.

Those wishing to learn more about the Bassano and Lanier families may
wish to read "The Bassanos: Venetian Musicians and Instrument Makers
in England, 1531-1665", by David Lasocki, Roger Prior, available at
amazon.com.uk for £52.50. This book is not available from amazon.com
USA. It is hardcover (324 pages) and published in 1995. Here is a
Synopsis from amazon.com.uk:

"In the 1530s, five brothers from the Bassano family, outstanding wind
players and instrument makers, emigrated from Venice to England. This
is a study of these brothers, their sons and daughter and their
grandsons. The first half of the book discusses the everyday affairs
of the family - their relationships, religion, property, law suits,
finances and standing in society. Two chapters are devoted to Emilia
Bassano, whose identification as the "dark lady" of Shakespeare's
sonnets is supported by a wealth of evidence. The second half of the
book discusses the family's musical activities. At the English court,
the Bassanos founded a recorder consort that lasted 90 years; they
also played in the flute/cornett and shawn/sackbutt consorts. As
instrument makers their fame extended throughout Europe. The book's
appendices present information on the Venetian branch of the family
and the musical activities of the English branch since 1665." Best
Regards.

Reedpcgen

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Aug 30, 2003, 3:36:48 PM8/30/03
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I thought Careron Allen, FASG, who has done some excellent Virginia Huguenot
articles recently, was working on an article which details the early Lanier
ancestry. Perhaps it's already out, or just about to see publication. He's an
extraordinarily careful researcher, and one of the best specialists in COlonial
Virginia.

>"The Bassanos: Venetian Musicians and Instrument Makers
>in England, 1531-1665", by David Lasocki, Roger Prior, available at
>amazon.com.uk for £52.50.

There was also an article on the family in a jounral of music history. Perhaps
Neil can remember the details (I thought he had a copy).

Paul

D. Spencer Hines

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Aug 30, 2003, 3:44:12 PM8/30/03
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Yes, Cameron did tell me he was working on such an article ---- quite some
time ago.

I hope he is in fine health and prospering.

Could David Greene, or perhaps someone else here, give us a list of all these
articles by Cameron Allen, FASG, on the Virginia Huguenots?

Frankly, many of us here may want to have the complete set.

Deus Vult.

"All America lies at the end of the wilderness road, and our past is not a
dead past, but still lives in us. Our forefathers had civilization inside
themselves, the wild outside.

We live in the civilization they created, but within us the wilderness still
lingers. What they dreamed, we live, and what they lived, we dream."

T. K. Whipple ---- "Study Out The Land"

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D. Spencer Hines

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Vires et Honor

"Reedpcgen" <reed...@aol.com> wrote in message
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| I thought Careron Allen, FASG, who has done some excellent Virginia Huguenot
| articles recently, was working on an article which details the early Lanier
| ancestry. Perhaps it's already out, or just about to see publication. He's
an
| extraordinarily careful researcher, and one of the best specialists in

Colonial

Gryphon801

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Aug 30, 2003, 9:02:36 PM8/30/03
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I am afraid I don't recall the article in question, though the Bassanos and
Laniers have been discussed lately. It may have been a review of that book
which has been well received.
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