Gerberga, wife of Adalbert (was re. Welfs)
Jim Stevens
Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (94:34):
Adelbert II, King of Lombardy, Joint-king of Italy, 950-961; b.c936; d.
abt.30 Apr 971; md. (1) Gerberga of Macon; "heiress of Macon; d. 11 Dec.986
dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of
Gerberga were Lietaud I, Count of Macon, and Berta. Other sources say
LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."
I have
Anyone have any strong opinions as to the correct identity of Gerberga's
parents ?
Today is the first day of the rest of your life ! (jste...@iquest.net) Jim
Richard Borthwick
There is a succinct discussion of the evidence for and the debate over the
identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain Bouchard *Sword,
Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980-1198* (Ithica
NY & London, Cornell University Press, 1987) pp.265-268. CBB argues for
Lambert.
Richard
Jim Stevens
Thanks, Richard. That being the case, let me ask one more question. What
does CBB say about Lambert's wife and Gerberga's mother ? Stuart simply
calls her Aeliz.I show her a Adelaide, dau. of Robert of Troyes, Count of
Vermondois (d.29 Aug 968) and the widow of Geoffrey I, Count of Angou
(938-987).
Richard Borthwick
"Lambert married a woman named Adelaide (*). While there is no evidence of
her origins in the sources, scholars have repeatedly tried to tie her to the
family of Giselbert, count of Burgundy, both because Giselbert did have a
daughter named Adelaide and because they feel a need to explain how Lambert
could have LEGITIMATELY** succeeded to Chalon#. I prefer to leave Adelaide's
origins unknown; since Lambert's succession to Chalon was recognised by the
king, he did not need a hereditary claim by his wife to legitimize his rule(##).
"Lambert died in 978, and his wife Adelaide quickly married Geoffrey
Greymantle, count of Anjou. Geoffrey acted as count of Chalon from 979 until
his own death in 989 (*). ..." p.307f.
* Source regerences.
** She uses italics to make the emphasis
# A long footnoted discussion of who has said what on the subject.
## Reference.
Jim: I hope this helps a bit.
Richard
Alan B. Wilson
In article <1996120109...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>, Medieval Genealogy
Discussion List <GEN-ME...@MAIL.EWORLD.COM> [Jim Stevens] wrote:
> >>>Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (94:34):
> >>>
> >>>Adelbert II, King of Lombardy, Joint-king of Italy, 950-961; b.c936; d.
> >>>abt.30 Apr 971; md. (1) Gerberga of Macon; "heiress of Macon; d. 11 Dec.986
> >>>dau. of Othon (says ES, II:59). NOTE: Moriarity, p.37, says parents of
> >>>Gerberga were Lietaud I, Count of Macon, and Berta. Other sources say
> >>>LAMBERT, COUNT OF CHALONS and AELIZ."
> >>>
> >>
> >>There is a succinct discussion of the evidence for and the debate over the
> >>identity of the parents of Gerberge in Constance Brittain Bouchard *Sword,
> >>Mitre and Cloister: Nobility and the Church in Burgundy, 980-1198* (Ithica
> >>NY & London, Cornell University Press, 1987) pp.265-268. CBB argues for
> >>Lambert.
> >>
> >>Richard
> >
> >Thanks, Richard. That being the case, let me ask one more question. What
> >does CBB say about Lambert's wife and Gerberga's mother ? Stuart simply
> >calls her Aeliz.I show her a Adelaide, dau. of Robert of Troyes, Count of
> >Vermondois (d.29 Aug 968) and the widow of Geoffrey I, Count of Angou
> >(938-987).
> >
> >(jste...@iquest.net) Jim
(snip)
To further complicate matters, while both ES ii, 11 and ES ii, 59
list an Othon as father of Gerberga, the revised version of ES ii, 59
(which appears in iii(1)), and ES iii, 439 both list Letalde, Count of
Macon as her father. This agrees with Moriarty and Winkhaus. However
Joannis and de Saint-Jouan in "Les seize quartiers genealogiques des
Capetiens", 469, lists Lambert de Chalon as father of Gerberga.
If one accepts Letalde as father, there is little consensus as to
Gerberga's mother. Letalde m. (1) Ermengarde of Chalon; (2) Berta,
possibly dau. of Garnier\Warinus, Count of Troyes; and (3) Richilde, dau.
of Richard of Autun. Winkhaus lists Ermengarde as Gerberga's mother;
Moriarty lists Berta; and ES (in vol. iii) lists either Berta or Richilde.
This probably doesn't help at all.
--
Alan B. Wilson
abwi...@uclink2.berkeley.edu