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Steven C. Perkins

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Oct 25, 2002, 5:01:09 PM10/25/02
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In the Book of Fees, vol.ii, p. 1016 is the following entry:

1242-43
Lincoln

Wapentacium de Jerdeburg

Saxeby, Bondeby, Ricardus de Grey et Matillis de Serland' et
Galfridus Costentin tenet totam villam de Saxeby, Bondeby de
Willelm de Solers pro servicio suo ad transfretandum cum eo ad
custum suum in Normanniam per xl dies, et Willelmus de Solers
tenet de domino rege in capite de constel' Normanie pro quadam
alba virga portanda coram ipso die Natali Domini pro omni servicio
de conquestu.

The following appears in the Appendix, p 1474

1238-1241
Wapentach' de Jorburg'

Saxbi Ricardus de Grei tres carucatas terre et dimidiam de feodo
Ricardi de Humet.

Bondebi Galfridus de Costantine et Matilda de Serland' feudum
unius militis de feudo ejus dem.


Richard de Humet was Constable of Normandie. Several of the
Costantin holdings are of the honor of Humet.

Thanks for any assistance.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

bagpuss

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Oct 25, 2002, 8:17:15 PM10/25/02
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Sorry, can't really help with the latin translation here !

But have you by any chance any evidence linking Willam de Solers with the
high concentration of Solers families in Gloucestershire and Herefordshire
(maybe the William, son of John de Solers and Margery de Pauntley dau. of
Walter de Cormeilles)? Could this be the same William de Solers who married
Mabel/Maud FitzRobert, dau. of Robert FitzRobert of Gloucester?

Andrew


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Chris Phillips

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Oct 26, 2002, 2:48:20 PM10/26/02
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Steven C. Perkins wrote:
> In the Book of Fees, vol.ii, p. 1016 is the following entry:
>
> 1242-43
> Lincoln
>
> Wapentacium de Jerdeburg
>
> Saxeby, Bondeby, Ricardus de Grey et Matillis de Serland' et
> Galfridus Costentin tenet totam villam de Saxeby, Bondeby de
> Willelm de Solers pro servicio suo ad transfretandum cum eo ad
> custum suum in Normanniam per xl dies, et Willelmus de Solers
> tenet de domino rege in capite de constel' Normanie pro quadam
> alba virga portanda coram ipso die Natali Domini pro omni servicio
> de conquestu.

I'd been hoping someone more expert than I am would have come forward. This
is the gist, I think (not trying to modernise place names):

Wapentake of Jerdeburg

Saxeby, Bondeby, Richard de Grey and Matilda/Maud de Serland' and Geoffrey
Costentin hold [?should be "tenent" for plural, I should have thought] the
whole vill of Saxeby, Bondeby of William de Solers for the service of
crossing with him to his "custum" in Normandy for 40 days, and William de
Solers holds of the lord king in chief of the "constel'" of Normandy for a
certain white rod to be carried before the same on the day of the birth of
the Lord for all service "de conquestu".

I'm really not sure about "custum suum". Maybe some sort of abbreviation,
signifying that the service was to serve in his guard?

Also "constel'", but from what you say about the connection with the
constableship of Normandy, perhaps this implies the land was connected with
that office.

Finally, "de conquestu" should mean "from the conquest", but I can't see how
to fit it in, in this context.

> The following appears in the Appendix, p 1474
>
> 1238-1241
> Wapentach' de Jorburg'
>
> Saxbi Ricardus de Grei tres carucatas terre et dimidiam de feodo
> Ricardi de Humet.
>
> Bondebi Galfridus de Costantine et Matilda de Serland' feudum
> unius militis de feudo ejus dem.

Wapentake of Jorburg'

Saxbi Richard de Grei three carucates of land and a half, of the fee of
Richard de Humet.

Bondebi Geoffrey de Costantine and Matilda/Maud de Serland' one knight's
fee, of the same fee.

Chris Phillips

ezdu...@charter.net

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Oct 26, 2002, 3:49:39 PM10/26/02
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http://www.histopia.nl/onldict/lat.html


This purports to be a translation site - Latin to Eng. & Eng. to Latin.
Might work -- I haven't tried it yet.

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ezdu...@charter.net

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Oct 26, 2002, 3:58:07 PM10/26/02
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I tried the site I just sent - no luck. This might be better.

http://www.quicklatin.com/


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Steven C. Perkins

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Oct 26, 2002, 7:52:35 PM10/26/02
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My thanks to Annie and to Chris for their translations. I find there
was a footnote on constel that I'll have to copy the next time I get to
Rutgers-New Brunswick.

Regards,

Steven C. Perkins

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Oct 29, 2002, 1:44:42 PM10/29/02
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This one, in today's copy of Missing Links, looks interesting, to say the
least. Marian

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