Another Sir Peter Carew

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Will Johnson

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Sep 20, 2021, 1:29:58 PMSep 20
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There is a funeral certificate for a
Robert /Drury/ of Callon, co Roscommon; esq
"only son of his father"
d 13 Jan 1673 "in his 63rd year"

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000529291#page/231/mode/1up

In this it is stated that his paternal grandmother was an Elizabeth Carew "sister of Sir Peter Carew".

Meanwhile in another part of his tree, he descends from
Robert /Drury/ of Hedgerley, co Buck and of Chalfont; Knt; Mp; Ho
second son; born by 1503
by
Elizabeth /Brudenell/
Sole heiress of her father Edmond esq

Robert Drury's third son
William /Drury/ , Knt 1570
was born exactly on 2 Oct 1527

Edmond Drury of Horton Bucks, called "fourth son"
then is tentatively given a birth range of 1528/1556
He married Jeanne Trenchard
daughter of Thomas /Trenchard/ of Litchett, co Dorset
by Avis de la /Lynde/

Their second son
Robert /Drury/ of Laughlin; esq
is tentatively given a birth range then of 1547/1575
He married Elizabeth /Carew/
I very much doubt she was much older than her husband so a birth range of
Elizabeth /Carew/

Now as to her brother called "Sir Peter Carew"
I know of two men of this name

Peter /Carew/ , Knt; W
born 1511/1513
third son; heir "aged 33" of his brother George 1545
d.s.p.; Ross, Waterford, Ireland
27 Nov 1575

and this man's first cousin
Peter /Carew/ , Knt; W
d 25 Aug 1580
"killed by the Irish in a skirmish"
first son of George /Carew/ , Dean of Bristol

It seems more likely that she would be a sister to this last man
*however* there is a giant problem
This last man
https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE98635
Vis Devon "Carew", page 135
where he has one only sister Mary
Mary in her M B states she is an only sister
and Mary's husband in his M B states she was an only daughter

So.
Is there another Sir Peter Carew in the proper time period to be the brother of Elizabeth (Carew) Drury ?

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 12:02:07 PMSep 21
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By the way, this calls the place "Laughlin in Catherlegh"

I can't find any county of Ireland called Catherlegh

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000529291#page/230/mode/1up

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 12:04:37 PMSep 21
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This expression Robert Drury of Laughlin in Catherleigh is the same one applied to the father of Catherine (Drury) King wife of John /King/ of Boyle Abbey; Knt; W

and that Thomas /Drury/ of Laughlin, co Catherleigh; esq "only son of his father"

So I present that Catherine, and Thomas were siblings

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 12:45:54 PMSep 21
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Catherleigh (and variant spellings), the Anglicized version of the county now referred to as Carlow

Here is how King Henry VIII decided to claim it

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/85a8f562-048e-47c0-b8f7-a0ed69b22955

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 12:48:24 PMSep 21
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Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 12:53:46 PMSep 21
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We see here a variant spelling of the Barony of Idrone
Here spelled Hydron

Also Laughlin
here spelled Laghlyn

And of course Sir Gawen Carew mentioned, is his own uncle who d 1583

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 12:58:21 PMSep 21
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The barony of Idrone was sold to Dudley Bagnall (or perhaps more likely to his father for him)
And here is how the fool was killed

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/2732a8af-1d5a-45e1-a760-ab7c294fab70


Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 1:09:17 PMSep 21
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Dudley Bagnall died (May 1587) leaving his heir Nicholas,, who was a minor (b 1582)

So George Carew writes again about this matter of the lands of the barony of Idrone

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/0a5bd27e-0b48-49b5-a6a0-356e98f348ca

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 1:17:35 PMSep 21
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I'm going to say that this is still George Carew here just called "Carew" who writes a a perambulation of the English Pale (of Ireland) 1595

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/3bfb9b4d-3e4e-49ac-8643-bc584183eaef

Note in particular

Sir Edmund Butler, at Cloghgrenan. Warham St. Leger, at Laghlin fort; it is the Queen's. "The barony of Idrone, the ancient inheritance of Sir George Carewe, and by him sold to Dudley Bagnall, St. Leger hath, as guardian to Dudley's son." William Wall, Garret McMurtagh Cavenagh, Morgan McBryan Cavenagh, at Poble Tymolin.

So Warham St Leger was the guardian of the heir Nicholas Bagnall
I wonder which one this was
I have two I think could be he

Warham /St Leger/ ; Knt; Irish privy council; Governor of Leix 1597
d 4 Mar 1599/1600 Slew and was slain by Hugh Macguire in mutual combat; Cork, Ireland

and this man's uncle
Warham /St Leger/ of Ulcombe, co Kent; Knt; Sheriff of Kent 1560; D
second son; prisoner in Scotland 1550
d 1597 Cork

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 1:27:15 PMSep 21
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In 1591 Sir George Carew, writes to Sir Henry Bagnall as "My Good Nephew"

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/ab137194-4f41-43e0-87a9-36081f98c184

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 1:37:54 PMSep 21
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On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 10:27:15 AM UTC-7, Will Johnson wrote:
> In 1591 Sir George Carew, writes to Sir Henry Bagnall as "My Good Nephew"
>
> https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/ab137194-4f41-43e0-87a9-36081f98c184

George Carew had married Joyce Clopton
31 May 1580
Stratford-on-Avon, Warwickshire, England
one of two co-heiresses of their father
the other co-heiresses was Anne Clopton who m her cousin William /Clopton/ of Sledwick in Durham

The parents of these two girls were
William /Clopton/ of New Place in Stratford-upon-Avon (sold in 1563); W
Second but only surviving son of his father
d 1592
and his wife
Anne /Griffith/ d 1594
daughter of George /Griffith/ of Stockton, co Warw; Knt d 1559

Meanwhile Sir Henry Bagnal is said to be the son of
Nicholas /Bagnall/ , Marshall of Ireland 1547-1566; of Newry, Mourne, Carlingford -1553-; of Eskiviok 1565- , Knt < 1567
by his wife
Eleanor "Ellen" /Griffith/
daughter of
Edward /Griffith/ of Port Penryhn, co Carnarvan

I wonder if these Griffith families might be mixed up

Will Johnson

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Sep 21, 2021, 1:48:19 PMSep 21
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