Thomas Browne of Betchworth died 1597
wjhonson
copious notes.
On his wives, the first one Helen Harding, I knew she was co-heiress
of her father William and that she was mother of Thomas' eldest son
Richard who married Margaret Aston.
Helen had also married firstly to some Richard Knyvett. And finally
after Helen's death which must have occurred by 1564, Thomas maried
secondly to Mabel FitzWilliam, dau of Sir William FitzWilliam of High
Clere, Southampton by his wife Jane Roberts.
Thomas and Mabel's eldest daughter Jane Browne (d 1631) must have been
born by 1565 to be married to Oliver Leigh 19 Eliz (at Dorking).
So that's all I had.
Now comes these details of the descent of the Manor of Bramley to give
me an assist.
William /Harding/ of Knowle in Cranleigh; esq; citizen and mercer of
London with his wife Cecily purchased the Manor of Bramley 33H8 and he
died Sep 1549
At that time this manor was divided between his co-heiresses Helen and
Catherine. Catherine in 1559 married Richard Onslow who became
Speaker of the House and Helen in 1561 sold her half to him.
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Don’t know what you need to know about Thomas Browne, he is part of the
Betchworth/Cowrdey (Vt Montague) family. Thomas’ father was
HENRY BROWNE (-<1577); of Becthworth; m1 Mary d of JOHN FITZHERBERT; m2
Catherine d Sir WILLIAM SHELLY of of Michelgrove, Sussex by Alice Belknap; m3
Eleanor d of THOMAS SHIRLEY of West Grinsted, Sussex [Vis of Surrey 1530
etc put m1 & m2 the other way around]
By m1 left
PHILIP BROWNE (c1530- aft 1557 sp)
By m2 left
THOMAS BROWNE (as below)
Mary m CUTHBERT BLAGDEN of Middlesex & Dorking, Surrey, left issue
By m3 left Richard, Roger, Alexander, Jasper, Catherine and Elizabeth (no
further details of these)
My summary of Thomas is as follows:
THOMAS BROWNE (-1597) Sir; (1576) of Bechworth Cstl & Dorking, Surrey; In
1559-60 sheriff of Surrey; sold many estates in Kent; m1 in or before
1558 Mable d of Sir WILLIAM FITZWILLIAM of Ireland (sometimes incorrectly
confused with the FitzWilliams of Milton); m2 bfr 1577 Helen (-1601) d&h of Wm
HARDING or WARNER wdw of RICHARD KNYVETT
By m1 Thomas left
MATTHEW BROWNE (1562-2 Aug 1603 dual with Sir JOHN TOWNSHEND of Raynham
who also d); Sir; of Bechworth Cstl; Sold estates in Kent; m Jane d of Sir
THOMAS VINCENT of Stoke Dabenham, Surrey (left issue including Ambrose 1
Bart of Betchworth)
1)Jane Browne m OLIFF LEIGH (-1611 bur Addington) of Addington, Surrey
2)Elizabeth Browne m ROBERT HONEYWOOD (Royton 27 Sep 1545-1627) his m2; of
Marks Hall, Essex and left issue
By m2 Thomas left
RICHARD BROWNE of Halton m Margaret d&h of JAMES ASTYN of Westerham Kent
(left issue including Brownes of Shingleton, Kent)
That Betchworth castle went to Matthew proves that he was the heir of his
father.
As for Bramley/Knowle these are both local to me, and I might be able to
dig out info if you are stuck. I think the manor of Bramley was the same
place that became Bramley Hotel, unfortunatly burnt down some years ago by
an irate cook. There is still a manor at Knowle (now an old peoples home),
but I would not have thought the current house predated Victorian times.
The Onslow family should be easy to find, still being extant. (Both the
main pub in Cranleigh, and the pub in West Clanden where they also had
property, are called the Onslow Arms)
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writes:
wjhonson
> By m3 left Richard, Roger, Alexander, Jasper, Catherine and Elizabeth (no
> further details of these)
I can because their baptisms are yet carried in the parish register,
extracted as Dorking, co Surrey (Batch C074072)
Elizabeth Sep 1539
Roger 24 Oct 1540
John 21 May 1542
Alexander 1543
Jasper 1544
Will Johnson
What documents do you have that support these three wives this way?
wjhonson
and also you don't state exactly that Thomas was living at Betchworth
in his younger years. So here are a few entries.
HISTORICAL CORRESPONDENCE VOLUME 2 - ref. 6729/1/
FILE - Letter from Thomas Browne, Betchworth Castle, to William
More, Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex. He feels he cannot oblige More's
desire that he stand with Thomas Cawarden for election as knights of
the shire as he is young and inexperienced and because he has not had
'any rule in the shire, whereby I should with the more difficulty get
the voices of the Commons'. Furthermore he is ill with a 'quartain'.
He suggests his cousin Coppley [Copley] stand instead. [HMC p.614b] -
ref. 6729/1/16 - date: 14 Dec 1558
FILE - Letter from Thomas Browne, Betchworth Castle, to William
More, Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex. He is now happy to stand for
parliament as his father also desires it. [HMC p.614b] - ref.
6729/1/17 - date: 18 Dec 1558
Will Johnson
Note "his father" is yet living Dec 1558
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Will.
In fact Henry was dead long before 1577, I probably meant to put in before
1557, the date his father Matthew died, but can go back a little further
as Matthew's Will made 4 Dec 1554 makes bequests to:
“Item I gyve and bequeth to Thomas Browne sonne and heyre of Henry Browne
my late sonne and heire apparant deceassed whos soule Jhus pardon..."
It also has
"Indentyres betwene me the said Sr Mathew Browne knyght on the one p’te
and Sr Will’m Shelley knyght deceassed on the other p’te concernying maye
solernpinsed and hadd by my said sonne Henry Browne deceassed and Katheryn
his late wif also deceassed and daughter of the saied Sr Willi’m Shelley ..."
>From the following it would seem the Henry Browne m Catherine about 1528
“FILE - Undated attested copy of Inquisition Post Mortem, 15 May 1558, on
death of Sir Matthew Browne - ref. Add Mss 11,218 - date: 18th century
from Scope and Content
The relevance of this document to Sussex lies in the recital of a
settlement, 26 Oct. 1528, on the marriage of Henry Browne, son of said Sir Matthew,
and Katherine Shelley, one of the daus. of William Shelley, a justice of
the Court of Common Pleas; in this deed, among the properties settled, are
the manors of Shopwyke in Oving, Chankton in Washington and Compton. The
other properties, both in the inquisition and the settlement are mainly in
Kent and Hampshire
PRO; A2A; West Sussex Record Office: Additional Manuscripts, catalogue 14”
The marriages I gave in my previous message is based on Burkes Landed
Gentry American Supplement of 1937 [Reprinted 1996 by Genealogical Publishing
Co.] p 2584. This article refers to the above mentioned Will of Matthew,
yet states that Philip (son of Henry by Mary Fitzherbert) was heir to his
grandfather in 1557 and that he [Philip] was suc. by his half brother Thomas
This would seem to be a contradiction? (Matthew's will mentions a Philip
Browne that is "Philip son of my deceased son Edward", which is okay and is
in Burkes, Edward being a younger brother to Thomas, but no other Philip
Browne), Perhaps there was another Thomas, full brother to and older than
Philip but had died by 1557. Although it would seem seem that Matthew
Browne's properties went straight to Thomas never a Philip so perhaps Burke's is
mistaken about Philip
As to your quotes from "Historical Correspondence", I can only assume that
Thomas Browne is referring to his stepfather, what do you think?
I have quite a number of deeds and documents in which Sir Thomas Browne is
mentioned. Also Matthew's will. And Helen Browne nee Harding (1601)
Will, if you are interested
Adrian
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>>>>>
Douglas Richardson
There is a pedigree of the Browne family recorded in 1585 by a member
of the Browne family, which pedigree was published in 1853 in The
Topographer and Genealogist, Vol. 2, page 267. This pedigree may be
viewed at the following weblink.
Since the pedigree was created in the lifetime of Henry Browne's son
and heir, Thomas Browne, I would think it would be quite accurate.
The 1585 pedigree adds several additional brothers and one sister for
Henry Browne not shown in the published visitiations of the Browne
family.
Besides this pedigree, there is a visitation pedigree of the Browne
family taken in 1623 published in.Vis. of Surrey 1530, 1572 & 1623
(H.S.P. 43) (1899): 8–10. This second pedigree may be viewed at the
following weblink:
The 1585 pedigree agrees with the 1623 Surrey Visitation pedigree that
Henry Browne married (1st) Katherine Shelley, by whom he had his son
and heir, Thomas, and no son Philip. The two pedigrees also agree
that Henry Browne married (2nd) Mary Fitz Herbert, by whom he had no
issue, and (3rd) Eleanor Shirley, by whom he had four additional
sons. The only difference between these two pedigrees is that the
1623 Surrey Visitation assigns Henry Browne a daughter, Mary, by his
1st marriage to Katherine Shelley. This daughter is not mentioned by
the 1585 pedigree. Also the 1623 Surrey Visitation assigns Henry
Browne two daughters, Katherine and Elizabeth, by his 3rd wife,
Eleanor Shirley.
Given these two pedigrees, my guess is that Henry Browne had no son
named Philip. However, I haven't checked the will of Henry Browne to
determine if it mentions a son, Philip. My file notes indicate that
the will of Henry Browne was proved 16 May 1549 (P.C.C. 30 Populwell).
However, this may be the wrong Henry Browne, as I find Henry Browne's
known widow, Eleanor Shirley, had a dispensation to marry 15 Feb. 1546
William Sackville. Possibly Adrian can confirm if the 1549 will for
Henry Browne is for the right individual.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Merilyn Pedrick
Lewknor descents too.
Merilyn
-------Original Message-------
From: Douglas Richardson
Date: 21/11/2009 8:20:23 AM
To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Thomas Browne of Betchworth died 1597
Dear Adrian and Will ~
There is a pedigree of the Browne family recorded in 1585 by a member
of the Browne family, which pedigree was published in 1853 in The
Topographer and Genealogist, Vol. 2, page 267. This pedigree may be
viewed at the following weblink.
http://books.google
alse
Since the pedigree was created in the lifetime of Henry Browne's son
and heir, Thomas Browne, I would think it would be quite accurate.
The 1585 pedigree adds several additional brothers and one sister for
Henry Browne not shown in the published visitiations of the Browne
family.
Besides this pedigree, there is a visitation pedigree of the Browne
family taken in 1623 published in.Vis. of Surrey 1530, 1572 & 1623
(H.S.P. 43) (1899): 8–10. This second pedigree may be viewed at the
following weblink:
http://books.google
ery%20Browne%20of%20Bechworth&f=false
The 1585 pedigree agrees with the 1623 Surrey Visitation pedigree that
Henry Browne married (1st) Katherine Shelley, by whom he had his son
and heir, Thomas, and no son Philip. The two pedigrees also agree
that Henry Browne married (2nd) Mary Fitz Herbert, by whom he had no
issue, and (3rd) Eleanor Shirley, by whom he had four additional
sons. The only difference between these two pedigrees is that the
1623 Surrey Visitation assigns Henry Browne a daughter, Mary, by his
1st marriage to Katherine Shelley. This daughter is not mentioned by
the 1585 pedigree. Also the 1623 Surrey Visitation assigns Henry
Browne two daughters, Katherine and Elizabeth, by his 3rd wife,
Eleanor Shirley.
Given these two pedigrees, my guess is that Henry Browne had no son
named Philip. However, I haven't checked the will of Henry Browne to
determine if it mentions a son, Philip. My file notes indicate that
the will of Henry Browne was proved 16 May 1549 (P.C.C. 30 Populwell).
However, this may be the wrong Henry Browne, as I find Henry Browne's
known widow, Eleanor Shirley, had a dispensation to marry 15 Feb. 1546
William Sackville. Possibly Adrian can confirm if the 1549 will for
Henry Browne is for the right individual.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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< Given these two pedigrees, my guess is that Henry Browne had no son
< named Philip. However, I haven't checked the will of Henry Browne
to
< determine if it mentions a son, Philip. My file notes indicate
that
< the will of Henry Browne was proved 16 May 1549 (P.C.C. 30
Populwell).
< However, this may be the wrong Henry Browne, as I find Henry
Browne's
< known widow, Eleanor Shirley, had a dispensation to marry 15 Feb.
1546
< William Sackville. Possibly Adrian can confirm if the 1549 will for
< Henry Browne is for the right individual.
There is an abstract of the will of Henry Browne, of Betchworth,
Surrey published in Brown, Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills 2nd Ser.
(1888): 22. This abstract may be viewed at the following weblink:
The will is dated 30 July 1545, proved 16 May 1548 (Note: The online
PCC will index gives the date of probate as 16 May 1549). The will
abstract indicates that Henry Browne's "eldest son" was Thomas Browne,
which information agrees with the 1585 pedigree and the 1623 Surrey
Visitation of the Browne family. Thus, it would appear that the elder
son of Henry Browne named Philip is imaginary.
wjhonson
noticed, possibly, from the parish register extract.
John Browne, the fourth son was bap 21 May 1542 Dorking, co Surrey
(Batch C074072 wj) and he had a son Owen Browne bap 15 May 1562
Dorking, co Surrey (Batch C074072)
Alexander Browne, the fifth son (called fourth in Vis) was bap 1543
Dorking, co Surrey (Batch C074072 wj) and had at least two children
Henry bap 24 Jul 1569 and Anne bap 8 Jul 1582
Walter Browne, the uncle of this men has three children in the
register Anne 24 Aug 1580, Richard 17 Dec 1581 and Walter 8 Nov 1584
Will Johnson
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Doug,
Thanks for your message.
Unfortunately I find it impossible to access many of the books on Google
here in England, blocked due to copyright (even though they usually
originate here). I sometimes mess about with proxy services, but usually find they
are more trouble than they are worth. Anyway I have not been able to get
"Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills", I may d/l a PCC copy (already on my
list of Wills to d/l, but I did not know it was a Betchworth Browne.)
I guess the Browne pedigree you mention made contemporarily is the
pedigree created by Honywood, which I have. Again I was not able to open this Web
page.
Adrian
In a message dated 20/11/2009 23:25:20 GMT Standard Time,
wjho...@aol.com
Adrian and others just go here
http://winvu.info/index.php
Enter the URL. That's it.
It bypasses the restrictions.
-----Original Message-----
From: ADRIANCH...@aol.com
To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: Thomas Browne of Betchworth died 1597
http://books.google.com/books?id=ojsRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA22&dq=Henry+Browne+1545#v
=onepage&q=Henry%20Browne%201545&f=false
Renia
>
> Doug,
>
> Thanks for your message.
>
> Unfortunately I find it impossible to access many of the books on Google
Same here...
Renia
> Adrian and others just go here
> http://winvu.info/index.php
>
> Enter the URL. That's it.
> It bypasses the restrictions.
Nope, it doesn't.
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at winvu.info.
wjho...@aol.com
This is the master list
http://proxy.org/cgi_proxies.shtml
Some of these proxies direct you to ads, others work right away on the first pass.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr>
To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Thomas Browne of Betchworth died 1597
Nope, it doesn't.
John Watson
> Doug,
>
> Thanks for your message.
>
> Unfortunately I find it impossible to access many of the books on Google
> here in England, blocked due to copyright (even though they usually
> originate here). I sometimes mess about with proxy services, but usually find they
> are more trouble than they are worth. Anyway I have not been able to get
> "Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills", I may d/l a PCC copy (already on my
> list of Wills to d/l, but I did not know it was a Betchworth Browne.)
>
> I guess the Browne pedigree you mention made contemporarily is the
> pedigree created by Honywood, which I have. Again I was not able to open this Web
> page.
>
> Adrian
>
> In a message dated 20/11/2009 23:25:20 GMT Standard Time,
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2:46 pm, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> < Given these two pedigrees, my guess is that Henry Browne had no son
> < named Philip. However, I haven't checked the will of Henry Browne
> to
> < determine if it mentions a son, Philip. My file notes indicate
> that
> < the will of Henry Browne was proved 16 May 1549 (P.C.C. 30
> Populwell).
>
> < However, this may be the wrong Henry Browne, as I find Henry
> Browne's
> < known widow, Eleanor Shirley, had a dispensation to marry 15 Feb.
> 1546
> < William Sackville. Possibly Adrian can confirm if the 1549 will for
> < Henry Browne is for the right individual.
>
> There is an abstract of the will of Henry Browne, of Betchworth,
> Surrey published in Brown, Abstracts of Somersetshire Wills 2nd Ser.
> (1888): 22. This abstract may be viewed at the following weblink:
>
> =onepage&q=Henry%20Browne%201545&f=false
>
> The will is dated 30 July 1545, proved 16 May 1548 (Note: The online
> PCC will index gives the date of probate as 16 May 1549). The will
> abstract indicates that Henry Browne's "eldest son" was Thomas Browne,
> which information agrees with the 1585 pedigree and the 1623 Surrey
> Visitation of the Browne family. Thus, it would appear that the elder
> son of Henry Browne named Philip is imaginary.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Adrian
A lot of books from Google are also available at archive.org, Its
always worthwhile checking there before spending money. This book
could be the abstracts of Somerset wills that you are looking for:
http://www.archive.org/details/abstractssomers00browgoog
Regards,
John
John Watson
> This is the master listhttp://proxy.org/cgi_proxies.shtml
>
> Some of these proxies direct you to ads, others work right away on the first pass.
> Since proxies live and die so quickly, perhaps its better just to use the top level master here.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr>
> To: gen-medie...@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2009 4:56 pm
> Subject: Re: Thomas Browne of Betchworth died 1597
>
> > Adrian and others just go here
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>
> > Enter the URL. That's it.
> > It bypasses the restrictions.
>
> Nope, it doesn't.
>
> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at winvu.info.
>
> -------------------------------
> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of
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Try
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KATHERINE HILL [ac: nee Browne] of Dorking, widow, gentlewoman. 12 April,
38 Eliz. [1596] Brothers Roger Browne, Richard Browne of Cranley. [ac:
Cranleigh] Niece Hellen Browne dau. of brother Richard. Sister Blakden.
Son-in-law Richard Hill. Sister Marye Dannet. Brother Alexander Browne and
his dau. Katherine Browne. God-son Edmonde Browne son of my brother Jasper
Browne. Niece Elizabeth Browne dau. of Jasper Browne. God-dau. Katherine
Chamberlaine. John Stone’s widow. Cousin Carrant. [ac: Dannett?] Maid
Bennet Gonner, Cousin Elynor Strely. Niece Ellinor Browne dau. of Alexander
Browne. Residue to Edmonde Browne son of Jasper Browne and Katherine
Chamberlaine god-dau. Executors. Ring with a signet. Witn. John Muncke,
William Symon, Ann Dannett and Mary Fitzwilliam, Alexander Brown. Proved 17
April 1596.
Adrian
In a message dated 19/11/2009 23:50:07 GMT Standard Time, wjho...@aol.com
writes:
>>>>>>>
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Marsh purchased from William Shepherd. ...
Reference: RYE/122/21; Feoffment from Thomas Browne of Westbechworth co.
Surrey, esq., to Robert Sheparde of Peasmarsh, gent.; Creation dates: 25
April 1559; Physical characteristics: Seal on tag, a griffin's head, erased,
flanked by the initials 'B.T.'
Scope and Content
Pieces (4a.) in a newly inned marsh called St. Mary's marsh in the
occupation of Henry Peck and Jaram [Jerome] Nashe. Consideration £45.
Conveyed free of encumbrance except a yearly rent to the Queen's water
bailiff. Covenants: (i) that George, Richard, Walter and Owen Browne, uncles of
the donor, will join in the assurance of the premises; (ii) the premises
are free of all charges made by the donor and his grandfather Matthew
Browne; (iii) warranty against Philip son of Edward Browne of Udimore, esq., and
Richard, Roger, Alexander and Jasper, brothers of the donor; (iv) the donor
to discharge all moneys due to the executors of Alexander Wellis of RYE
for a tax on inning the marsh.
Witnesses: William Henn', John Netelfolde, Edward Sakfelde, Robert
Woodward.
PRO; A2A; East Sussex Record Office_ Archive of Rye Corporation [RYE_52 -
RYE_132].
Adrian
In a message dated 21/11/2009 14:58:44 GMT Standard Time,
Douglas Richardson
Checking around the internet, I've found an abstract of the will of
Thomas Shirley, of West Grinstead, Sussex, which Thomas was the father
of Eleanor Shirley, 3rd wife of Henry Browne, of Betchworth.
The will is allegedly dated 1534-35 (26 Henry VIII). Yet I'm fairly
certain that Thomas Shirley did not die until 1557. If the 1557 death
date is correct, then Thomas Shirley's will is almost certainly the
will of "Thomas Sherley" whose will is listed in the modern online PCC
will index as having been proved 16 Sept. 1557 (Register: Wrastley).
Regardless of the wide difference in dates, according to the abstract
below, Thomas Shirley's will refers to his "son Browne." If the
1534-5 date is correct, it seems pressing the chronology for Henry
Browne to have married (1st) Katherine Shelley in 1528, have had two
children, then marry Mary Fitz Herbert, by whom he had no issue, then
marry (3rd) by 1534-5 to Eleanor Shirley. Quite possibly the order
of the first two marriages is reversed. If so, then Mary Fitz Herbert
would be Henry Browne's 1st wife. This assumes, of course, that the
will of Thomas Shirley has been correctly dated to the year 26 Henry
VIII. Since no source is given for the abstract, I can not vouched
for its accuracy. Whatever the case, the will below appears to be
that of Thomas Shirley of West Grinstead as I note that his will
mentions a "brother Lyster." Checking various online Shirley
pedigrees, it appears that Thomas Shirley of West Grinstead had a
sister who married a Lister. So the will below should be for the
right man.
Will of Thomas Shirley 1535 (26 H8)
- gives son William(?eldest),son Francis;daus
?Isabel(StJohn),Dorothy(unm),Blanche(unm);bros.Bray&Lyster;son Browne
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Thanks for your message.
It is possible that the following Elinor Gainsford is Eleanor Shirley (The
Brownes has an interest in Dorking manor, so not unlikly to have owned the
pasonage), if so she must be quite old and remaried one or more times
Reference: LM/1036/61; Deposition made before George More and Lawrence
Stoughton, of Elinor Gainsford, widow, and Edward Sackvill her son. She states
that she conveyed her goods to her son to her own use to avoid outlawry
for a debt incurred by her son Richard Browne (as she was told outlaws would
not receive Christian burial), but wishes to revoke the deed; that she made
a lease of Dorking parsonage but cannot find the lease; that she is not
well maintained when her son is absent, as she is given only a small
allowance; Creation dates: 4 Jun 1599
PRO; A2A: Surrey History Centre_ The Loseley Manuscripts_ Records of the
More and More Molyneux Family of Loseley Park [LM_Section B-F].
and this Richard Browne might be a JP for Surrey in 1587:-
Reference: LM/1732; Petition of Thomas Bicknoll, yeoman of the Queen's
chamber, and his wife Elizabeth to the Queen and Privy Council: Elizabeth,
lately pardoned for any part in the death of her father Richard Mellersh, for
which she was imprisoned for six years, requests that Sir William More and
Richard Browne esq, two of the justices of the peace for Surrey, are
appointed to determine her dispute with her brother in law, John Capelinge, who
is unlawfully occupying all the estates of her deceased father and brother;
Creation dates: 1587
PRO; A2A; Surrey History Centre_ The Loseley Manuscripts_ Records of the
More and More Molyneux Family of Loseley Park [LM_Section B-F].
Adrian
Douglas Richardson
Sister "Marye Dannet" named in the will of Katherine (Browne) Hill was
presumably her Sackville half-sister.
I find there is marriage license issued 3 Oct. 1582 to Thomas Dannett,
Esq., of the City of London, and Mary Sackville, spinster, of same
[Reference: Huntingdon Library Quarterly, 5 (1941): 289].
Mary Sackville was evidently the daughter of William Sackville, of
Bletchingley and Polesden Lacy (in Dorking), Surrey, Burgess (M.P.)
for Bletchingley, Surrey, 1542, Yeoman of the Chamber, before 1530,
Sewer of the Chamber, before 1544–53, Escheator of Surrey and Sussex,
1544–5, Queen’s trainbearer, 1554, by his 2nd wife, Eleanor, daughter
of Thomas Shirley, of West Grinstead, Sussex.
I assume Mary Sackville is the Mary Sackville, daughter of Sackville,
baptized 22 Nov. 1556, at Dorking, Surrey, which record is an item
extracted from the parish registers and found in the International
Genealogical Index. If so, Mary was presumably born posthumously, as
her father, William Sackville, died 19 May 1556.
As for whether or not Eleanor Shirley, wife successively of Henry
Browne and William Sackville, married (3rd) _____ Gainsford, I can add
the following additional information. The record you found indicated
that a Eleanor Gainsford, widow, previously the wife of a Browne and a
Sackville, had a son, Edward Sackville, living in 1599.
If so, I assume he is the Edward Sackville, son of Sackville, baptized
26 Sept. 1555, at Dorking, Surrey, which record is also an item
extracted from the parish registers and found in the International
Genealogical Index.
Taken as a whole, these various`records seem to to confirm that
Eleanor Shirley had issue by her 2nd Sackville marriage, and also that
she married (3rd) _____ Gainsford, just as you have suggested.
By the way, when you have a minute, can you supply a probate reference
for the 1596 will of Katherine (Browne) Hill.
Patricia A. Junkin
As I read these exchanges, I cannot help but mention the Bysshe
family again.
Among the family settlements of the Gage family in 1531 is the
quitclaim of William Bysshe of Burstow and William Smyth of Burstow,
yeoman, to John Gage, knight, Henry Guldeford, knight, Anthony Broune,
knight, and Henry Broune, esq1
1 A2A Archive of Gage family of Firle Catalogue Ref. SAS/G Creator(s):
Gage family of Firle, East Sussex FAMILY SETTLEMENTS FILE - Quitclaim
- ref. SAS/G21/9 - date: 20 Feb 1531
Pat
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Pat,
Yes, I have this one in my records. This Sir Anthony Broune (Browne)
(1500-1548) is the father of Sir Anthony Browne 1st Viscount Montague. Henry
Browne is the son of Sir Matthew Browne (the one in the current thread) as
can be more clearly seen in the following:-
HEDGECOURT AND BURSTOW IN SURREY ...
Reference: SAS/G43/25; Grant; Creation dates: 3 Jun 1531
Scope and Content
John Achart the elder, and his son and heir John Achart, to Anthony
Browne, kt, Henry Browne, esq, son and heir of Matthew Browne, kt, John
Guldeford, esq and Richard Pendred, rector of Burstow, in trust for John Gage, kt
3a of land in Burstow as SAS/G43/24
John Smyth attorney to deliver seisin
W: William Byssche, Thomas Gylman, William Rowhe, Edward Elys, Thomas
Smythe,George Smyth
PRO; A2A; East Sussex Record Office_ Archive of the Gage family of Firle
[SAS_G1_1 - SAS_G20_896].
This Henry quite often appears with Sir Anthony Browne in various deeds.
Sir Anthony (who m1 Alice (-1540) d of Sir John Gage of the Gage of Firle
family) was son of Sir Anthony (-1506) younger br of George Browne (-1483
Ex) of Betchworth himself father of the above Sir Matthew
Much of the Browne property was passed in Gavelkind so that quite
extensive members of the family often appears in property deeds. Also the Brownes
remained Roman Catholic so, post reformation (c1536), their circle of
friends become a bit limited.
regards,
Adrian
In a message dated 21/11/2009 23:34:49 GMT Standard Time,
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
My summary of Walter's will:-
Walter Browne (-PCC Will 25 Apr 1587 pr 4 Dec 1595 to be bur in Dorking);
Of Dorking; Held Compton, Surrey; House in Dorking (to relict then to
Thomas); Godwell mannor, Kent and land in Offham, Kent; lease of Milton mannor;
m Mary; Issue: Thomas (in nonage); Richard; Walter 3rd son; Anne; Overseers
include cousin Sir Thomas Browne knt
In Browne's of Betchworth his wife is named as Mary Gvar [ac: Glovar?]
>From Vis of London 1633 Anne is probably:-
3. John Goodwin of London a^o^ 1634, 3rd sonn = Ann da. of Walter Browne of
Dorking in com. Surrey [ac: issue given
regards,
Adrian]
In a message dated 21/11/2009 00:20:10 GMT Standard Time, wjho...@aol.com
writes:
The Walter Browne pedigree adds a few details which I had already
noticed, possibly, from the parish register extract.
John Browne, the fourth son was bap 21 May 1542 Dorking, co Surrey
(Batch C074072 wj) and he had a son Owen Browne bap 15 May 1562
Dorking, co Surrey (Batch C074072)
Alexander Browne, the fifth son (called fourth in Vis) was bap 1543
Dorking, co Surrey (Batch C074072 wj) and had at least two children
Henry bap 24 Jul 1569 and Anne bap 8 Jul 1582
Walter Browne, the uncle of this men has three children in the
register Anne 24 Aug 1580, Richard 17 Dec 1581 and Walter 8 Nov 1584
Will Johnson
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ADRIANCH...@aol.com
Thanks for your message, which all makes sense.
The following confirms part of it:
William SACKEVYLE, sewer of the Chamber, and Eleanor his wife, late the
wife of Henry, son of Matthew Browne, knight, and Richard BROWNE, [ac:
perhaps Henry’s br] v. Thomas BROWNE, son and heir of the said Henry.: Manor of
Borough (i.e. Burghclere or Borough Court in Odiham ?), HANTS.
(PRO C 1/1315/1)
Adrian
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In a message dated 21/11/2009 23:15:25 GMT Standard Time,
ADRIANCH...@aol.com
marriage (only 6 months after Henry made his will):
SACKVILLE, William (Sakwyle,) esq., and Helinore Browne, of the dioces of
Winchester. 15 Feb. 1545/6. Faculty Office of Abp of Canterbury
Joseph Foster’s London marriages Licences.1521-1869, p 1173
Adrian