one Russian family
Igor Sklar
"President Vladimir Putin on Thursday visited the man who wrote the
lyrics to both the Soviet and Russian national anthems, giving him a
medal for his 90th birthday.
"I consider you by rights a man of our epoch," Putin told Sergei
Mikhalkov.
Putin called on Mikhalkov in his Moscow apartment and presented him
with the Order for Service to the Fatherland hanging the medal around
Mikhalkov's neck during a 90-minute visit."
This name was not mentioned in this newsgroup before. Though best
known as a children's writer, Sergei Mikhalkov wrote lyrics to the
Soviet anthem when WWII was still far from its end. It has been the
anthem of Victory, of humans' first venture into the cosmos, of great
sport victories, &c, &c.
His wife was Natalia Petrovna Konchalovskaia (1903-77), herself a
children's writer, daughter of Piotr Konchalovsky
(http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/k/k-6.htm), and granddaughter of Vasily
Surikov (http://www.abcgallery.com/S/surikov/surikov.html). 4 years
ago Sergei Mikhalkov married 2ndly Julia Valerievna Subbotina (born
1963), daughter of a prominent scientist. She is 40 years his junior.
Mikhalkov has two sons, both of them award-winning directors. Andron
(the elder) is remembered for his contributions to the earlier films
of Prince Andrei Tarkovsky; his last film received Grand Prize at the
Venice Film Festival (2002). His younger brother, Nikita Mikhalkov,
also has many awards, including Golden Lion of Venice (1991), Grand
Prize at Cannes (1994), Oscar for Best Foreign Film (1995), &c, &c. A
vast variety of actors (from Sylvester Stallone to Marcello
Mastroianni) starred in films of these brothers.
One may reconstruct Mikhalkovs' descent from Charlemagne, Genghis
Khan, kings of Georgia, and other notable persons thanks to recent
discussions in this newsgroup. Here I'll demonstrate their descent
from Emperor Alexios I of Byzantium:
Alexios I Komnenos = Eirene Dukaina
Theodora Komnena = Konstantinos Angelos
Andronikos Angelos = Euphrosyne Kastamonitissa
Alexios III Angelos = Euphrosyne Dukaina Kamaterina
Anna Komnena Angelina = Theodoros I Laskaris
Maria Laskarina = Bela IV of Hungary
Constancia of Hungary = Lev I of Galicia
Yury I of Galicia = Euphemia of Kujavia
Maria of Galicia = Trojden of Masovia
Yury II of Galicia = Euphemia of Lithuania
Anastasia of Galicia = Alexander I of Tver
Vsevolod of Kholm = Sofia of Ryazan
Yury of Kholm = unknown
Dmitry of Kholm = unknown
Daniil Kholmsky = Vasilisa Vsevolzhskaya
Anna Kholmskaya = Ivan Khovrin "Golova"
Piotr Khovrin-Golovin = Maria Odoyevskaya
Anna Golovina = Alexander Gorbaty-Shuisky
Eudokia Shuiskaia = Nikita Zakharyin-Yuriev
Anisia Romanova = Boris Lykov-Obolensky
Elena Lykova = Fiodor Khvorostinin
Maria Khvorostinina = Boris Galitsyn
Alexey Galitsyn = Anna Sukina
Sergey Galitsyn = Anastasia Tolochanova
Alexey Galitsyn = Anna Bibikova
Sergey Galitsyn = Natalia Bakhmeteva
Maria Galitsyna = Sergey Mikhalkov
Vladimir Mikhalkov = Elisaveta Galitsyna
Sergey Mikhalkov = Anna Unkovskaya
Vladimir Mikhalkov = Olga Glebova
Sergey Mikhalkov = Natalia Konchalovskaya
Nikita Mikhalkov = Anastasia Vertinskaya
Hopefully this is of interest to someone.
Kind regards, Igor
Jack Straw
> Mikhalkov has two sons, both of them award-winning directors. Andron
> (the elder) is remembered for his contributions to the earlier films
> of Prince Andrei Tarkovsky... <snip>
Who granted this title to him?
Igor Sklar
Andrei Tarkovsky was the son of Arseny Tarkovsky, a prominent Russian
poet and translator of Caucasian poets.
http://www.nostalghia.com/
http://www.filmref.com/directors/dirpages/tarkovsky.html
http://tarkovsky.nm.ru/
Arseny Tarkovsky was regarded by many Dagestanis as their lawful
shamkhal, i.e. khan. Ancestors of Tarkovsky ruled Dagestan from the
VIII century AD. Their original capital was the citadel of Derbent
(i.e. 'Locked Gates of Caucasus', aka Albiopolis) built by Sasanids in
the VI century AD:
http://www.derbent.net/alt/narin.php
http://www.stel.ru/nikonov/ka16.htm
http://www.towns.ru/towns/derbent_e.html
Since most ancient times shamkhals claimed descent from Prophet
Muhammad through his daughter Fatimah. They married into the royal
family of Georgia for centuries. Toumanoff thought that Circassian
rulers and Mameluk sultans of Egypt were lateral branches of this
family. The newest study of the Tarkovsky family (Moscow, 2001)
however rejects this hypothesis.
Abu Musselim Khan, shamkhal of Tarki (now called Makhachkala), was
confirmed in princely dignity of the Russian Empire 21-Dec-1849 by
special ukase of Nicholas I. His relatives were called Princes
Tarkovsky and lived in Russia.
regards
norenxaq
Igor Sklar wrote:
Hello:
What specifically was their line of descent from Mohammed?
thank-you
Dag T. Hoelseth
> thuri...@hotmail.com (Jack Straw) wrote in message news:<6bb9224d.03041...@posting.google.com>...
> > skla...@yandex.ru (Igor Sklar) wrote in message news:<5a635d65.03040...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > Mikhalkov has two sons, both of them award-winning directors. Andron
> > > (the elder) is remembered for his contributions to the earlier films
> > > of Prince Andrei Tarkovsky... <snip>
> >
> > Who granted this title to him?
[...]
> Abu Musselim Khan, shamkhal of Tarki (now called Makhachkala), was
> confirmed in princely dignity of the Russian Empire 21-Dec-1849 by
> special ukase of Nicholas I. His relatives were called Princes
> Tarkovsky and lived in Russia.
His relatives? Or do you mean his agnatic descendants? Cyrille
Toumanoff's "Catalogue de la Noblesse Titrée de l'Empire de Russie",
Rome, 1982, p. 24, says "TARKOVSKY, Princes (prim.) R 1849".
R = précède les dates de création par l'Empereur de Russie
prim = primogéniture
I read this as saying that only descendants in the agnatic lines would
be Princes/Princesses Tarkovsky, or am I wrong?
Dag T. Hoelseth
--
Andrey Frizyuk
Exactly. Apparently Mr. Sklar uses the word 'relatives' to conceal the
fact that Arseny Tarkovsky stemmed from petty Ukrainian nobility not
from rulers of Dagestan. He was born in 1907 in Elisavetgrad (Southern
Ukraine). IMHO Tarkowski is a typical Polish surname derived from the
toponimic 'Tarkow'.
There is a family legend that the family in question descends from
Gamzat-beg, a younger son of shamkhal Adil-Giray, who was sent by Tsar
Peter I after his Persian campaign to Russia. This legend states that
Gamzat-beg participated in a Polish war (??), and finally settled in
Ukrainian provinces of Poland.
Very enthusiastic about it, Arseny Tarkovsky alluded to this legend in
his poetry. He even regarded his own name as a Russified form of
Caucasian 'Arslan'. Other family members didn't give much credit to
it.
Real descendants of shamkhals are quite numerous in Dagestan. Some of
them changed their name in 1920s from Tarkovsky to Osmanov to escape
persecution from Bolsheviks.
All best, Andrey
Francisco Antonio Doria
What's the criteria for qualifying a family or clan
``petty nobility''? I've long been wondering and
musing about that because of my own family. The known
line is very long and old; yes, of course, as it often
happens there are obscurities and uncertainties and
much scholarly discussion on whether X should be
placed here or there in the family pedigree, but
nobody doubts the overall picture (this happens with
all major Italian families, such as the Orsini or
Colonnas).
There are no titled grandees among my medieval
ancestors, despite the fact that they held large
fiefs.
When they moved to Brazil, they became lords of
sugarcane plantations up to my ggfather. Some of them
were high colonial officers; they all had their noble
status officially and consensually recognized; the
last sentence of nobility I have is dated 1857; it
confirms a minor hereditary title.
The people in that line have their highs and lows;
sometimes they are all powerful, sometimes they are
decadent, like my 5gparents (their gson was a
Provincial representative and state secretary some
time later, during the Brazilian monarchy).
How can we say that a family consists of petty nobles?
chico
--- Andrey Frizyuk <fri...@yahoo.com> escreveu: >
> > Toumanoff's "Catalogue de la Noblesse Titrie de
> l'Empire de Russie",
> > Rome, 1982, p. 24, says "TARKOVSKY, Princes
> (prim.) R 1849".
> >
> > R = prichde les dates de criation par l'Empereur
> de Russie
> > prim = primoginiture
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Igor Sklar
Anyway, their descent from shamkhals is not less plausible than the
story of Hungarian "Dadiani" family. We lack original sources to
determine the truth of both claims. Some would believe it, others
would not, but to *prove* anything here is impossible.
regards
Pierre Aronax
"Francisco Antonio Doria" <franciscoa...@yahoo.com.br> a écrit dans
le message de news: 2003041209095...@web41807.mail.yahoo.com...
>
> What's the criteria for qualifying a family or clan
> ``petty nobility''?
I would say: not sovereign, without marriage connection with a sovereign
family or other families which do, without high titles of nobility, active
only in a local area at a said period.
Of course, in more than one case it can be subject to lengthy discussion.
Pierre
Andrey Frizyuk
> What's the criteria for qualifying a family or clan
> ``petty nobility''?
When I applied this term to the Tarkowski family of Ukraine I meant
their 50-year litigation when they had tried to prove their right to
be styled nobles. The Tarkowskis had some land (in gage) but no serfs
living there. This litigation stopped when serfdom was abolished, but
the Tarkowskis of this branch never proved that they belonged to
nobility (szlachta).
Best wishes, Andrey