BLISS FAMILY

[Kathryn Graham]

> I am looking for anyone with info on the BLISS family. I am wanting
>info on a Thomas BLISS, Sr. b ABT 1550 d 1635. He was "persecuted as a
>Puritan and was murdered. He may have been from the Painswick, ENG area as
>that is where his son Thomas was born in 1582. I know that this is not
>much, but it is all that I have. Any help would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
>Susan - au...@e-tex.com

Did you ever get any info on this family? I think we have the same problem.

From my notes:
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This family (in the earlier generations) is a mess. Mass disagreements in
the various data sources. Jacobus cites many conflicts in the research for
the ancestry of Thomas Bliss the immigrant.

1 THOMAS BLISS
Born about 1554, born about 1550/60, possibly in Oakehampton,
Belstone Parish, Devon, England, died about 1635/40 per Ancient Windsor.
Married ALICE SMITH. (ref: LDS Ancestral Files, 1993; Ancient Windsor -
Stiles, Vol 2, pg 107). Thomas and Alice had:

2 i THOMAS BLISS, born 1580/85, Painswick, Gloucester, England. Born
in Belstone, Devon, England per Ancient Windsor.

2 THOMAS BLISS (Thomas1) or he was the son of John Bliss who died in
1617 who was the son of William and Elizabeth Bliss, William was said to be
the son of Richard Bliss.
Born after 1587, based on the fine he paid for not training,
Painswick, Gloucester, England, died 1650/51, Hartford, Connecticut.
Married 18 Oct 1621, St. Nicholas, Gloucester, England, MARGARET HULINS,
born 15 July 1595, Gloucester, England, died 28 Aug 1684, Springfield,
Massachusetts; daughter of John Hulins and Margaret Lawrence. Thomas was an
early (1639/40) but not original settler of Hartford. He resided first in
that part of Boston, Massachusetts called the mount, afterwards Braintree
and now part of Quincy, but this is disputed by Jacobus. On 4 Mar 1646/7 he
was fined for not training. After his death his widow moved with all of her
children except Thomas and Ann to Springfield, Massachusetts. (ref: Savage,
Vol I, pg 200-202; Torrey, pg 78, which shows Margaret as a second wife;
HH&RF, pg 476-480; Bliss Gen, Vol I, pg 27-32; Pope's Pioneers, pg 55; TAG,
July 1976, pg 202, Oct 1984, pg 202; LDS Ancestral Files, 1993; Ancient
Windsor, vol 2, pg 107 which states his wife was Margaret Lawrence)

[C.A.Carpenter]

At 03:14 PM 7/13/96 -0700, you wrote:
>> I am looking for anyone with info on the BLISS family. I am wanting
>>info on a Thomas BLISS, Sr. b ABT 1550 d 1635. He was "persecuted as a
>>Puritan and was murdered. He may have been from the Painswick, ENG area as
>>that is where his son Thomas was born in 1582. I know that this is not
>>much, but it is all that I have. Any help would be appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>>
>>Susan - au...@e-tex.com
>
>
>Did you ever get any info on this family? I think we have the same problem.

I don't know if this is the same family, I only put 9 generations here, I
have many many more.
If anyone wants them let me know.

>Descendants of Philip BLYSSE

1 Philip BLYSSE b: 1340
2 Philip BLYSSE b: 1370
3 Philip BLYSSE b: 1400
4 (unnamed) BLYSSE b: Abt 1420 in Of Daventry, Northampton,
England
5 Henry BLYSSE b: Abt 1450 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
d: Bef
1524
5 Thomas BLYSSE b: Abt 1460 in Of Hill, Leamington, Warwick,
England
5 Richard BLYSSE b: Abt 1465 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
6 Richard BLYSSE b: Abt 1490 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
d:
Bef 1560
+Joyce b: Abt 1494 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
d: December
29, 1567 DAVENTRY, Northampton, England
7 Robert BLYSSE b: Abt 1515 in Of Oadby, Leicester, England
7 William BLYSSE b: Abt 1520 in DAVENTRY, Northampton, England
8 George BLYSSE b: Abt 1546 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
8 Nicholas BLYSSE b: Abt 1548 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
8 William BLYSSE b: 1550-1552 in Of Daventry, Northampton,
England
+Elizabeth b: Abt 1550 m: 1578-1579
8 Joyce BLYSSE b: Abt 1554 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
8 Joane BLYSSE b: Abt 1556 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
+Elizabeth b: Abt 1535 in DAVENTRY, Northampton, England
m: September
20, 1561 DAVENTRY, Northampton, England
8 Agnes BLYSSE
8 Anne BLYSSE
8 Thomas BLISS b: Abt 1561 in Belstone, Devonshire, England,
England
d: 1617 Belstone Parish, England
+Alice SMITH b: Bef 1580 in PRESTON PARVA, Northampton,
England m:
August 01, 1614 Preston Capes, Northampton, England
9 John BLISSE
9 Jonathan BLISS b: 1575-1580 in Belstone, Devonshire, England,
Eng d:
1635-1636
+Margaret b: Abt 1575
9 Thomas BLISS b: 1580-1594 in Devon, Devonshire, England
d: 1647
Rehoboth, Bristol, MA
+(IDE) b: 1598-1602 in IDE, Devonshire, England
*2nd Wife of Thomas BLISS:
+Margaret Lawrence b: Abt 1594 in England m: 1612
England
*3rd Wife of Thomas BLISS:
+Margaret HULINS b: Abt 1595 in Rodborough,
Gloucestershire, England m:
1612-1615 Hartford, Hartford, Cn d: August 28, 1684 Springfield, Hampden,
MA
*4th Wife of Thomas BLISS:
+Dorothy WHEATLY b: 1594-1596 in Maiden Newton, Dorset,
Eng m: November
22, 1614 DAVENTRY, England d: Bef 1645 Rehoboth, Bristol, MA
9 Elizabeth or Betty BLISS b: 1582-1588 in Belstone,
Devonshire, England
d: 1639-1640
+[1] S. John CALCLIFFE b: 1588-1589 in Devonshire, England
9 George BLISS b: 1591 in Belstone, Devonshire, England,
England d:
August 31, 1667 Newport, RI
+Ann SHAW b: Abt 1591 m: May 30, 1635
9 Mary Elizabeth (Polly) BLISS b: 1591-1593 in Belstone,
Devonshire,
England, England d: August 31, 1667
+[1] S. John CALCLIFFE b: 1588-1589 in Devonshire, England
m: Abt 1611
Devonshire, England
9 Agnes BLISSE b: Abt 1593 in PRESTON PARVA, Northampton,
England
+John HARDING b: Abt 1593 m: July 12, 1629
9 Joane BLISSE b: Abt 1595 in PRESTON PARVA, Northampton,
England
+John PAYNE b: Abt 1595 m: February 11, 1631/32
9 Constance BLISSE b: Abt 1597 in PRESTON PARVA,
Northampton, England
9 Elizabeth 2 BLISSE b: Abt 1599 in PRESTON PARVA,
Northampton, England
7 Henry BLYSSE b: Abt 1526 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
d:
January 13, 1586/87
+Margaret b: Abt 1526

[Todd A. Farmerie]

In a previous article, carp...@PHOENIXAT.COM (C.A.Carpenter) says:

>I don't know if this is the same family, I only put 9 generations here, I
>have many many more.
>If anyone wants them let me know.
>
>

What is the reference for this information?

>>Descendants of Philip BLYSSE
>
> 1 Philip BLYSSE b: 1340
> 2 Philip BLYSSE b: 1370
> 3 Philip BLYSSE b: 1400
> 4 (unnamed) BLYSSE b: Abt 1420 in Of Daventry, Northampton,
> England

Does your source discuss why Henry was thought to be grandson of Philip?

> 5 Richard BLYSSE b: Abt 1465 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
> 6 Richard BLYSSE b: Abt 1490 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
> d: Bef 1560
> +Joyce b: Abt 1494 in Of Daventry, Northampton, England
> d: December 29, 1567 DAVENTRY, Northampton, England

> 7 William BLYSSE b: Abt 1520 in DAVENTRY, Northampton, England

What evidence is there to connect the Devon family with that of Northants?

> 8 Thomas BLISS b: Abt 1561 in Belstone, Devonshire, England,
> England d: 1617 Belstone Parish, England
> +Alice SMITH b: Bef 1580 in PRESTON PARVA, Northampton,
> England m: August 01, 1614 Preston Capes, Northampton, England

> 9 Thomas BLISS b: 1580-1594 in Devon, Devonshire, England
> d: 1647 Rehoboth, Bristol, MA
> +(IDE) b: 1598-1602 in IDE, Devonshire, England

What is the evidence for this first marriage of Thomas?

> *2nd Wife of Thomas BLISS:
> +Margaret Lawrence b: Abt 1594 in England m: 1612
> England

This woman is identical to the third wife, the surname Lawrence being
simply a (bad) guess of nineteenth century genealogists.

> *3rd Wife of Thomas BLISS:
> +Margaret HULINS b: Abt 1595 in Rodborough,
> Gloucestershire, England m:
> 1612-1615 Hartford, Hartford, Cn
> d: August 28, 1684 Springfield, Hampden, MA

There are two obvious problems here. The first is that they could not
possibly have married in 1612-5 in Hartford, or anywhere in New England for
that matter. That the Thomas Bliss that married Margaret Hulings of
Gloucester was the Rehoboth settler is generally accebted, and I know of no
reason to reject it. That the Thomas that married Margaret Hulings was
from Devonshire is, as far as I am aware, entirely without contemporary
evidence. Does your source have any reason for drawing this conclusion,
other than simply the similarity of names?

> *4th Wife of Thomas BLISS:
> +Dorothy WHEATLY b: 1594-1596 in Maiden Newton, Dorset,
> Eng m: November 22, 1614 DAVENTRY, England
> d: Bef 1645 Rehoboth, Bristol, MA

> 9 George BLISS b: 1591 in Belstone, Devonshire, England,
> England d: August 31, 1667 Newport, RI
> +Ann SHAW b: Abt 1591 m: May 30, 1635

I am not familiar with George of Newport, and no of no reason for making
him brother of Thomas of Rehoboth. Perhaps it is solely George's
Devonshire origins (are they well documented) that led to Thomas being
assigned there as well.

This line looks to me like an attempt to link three entirely unrelated
families, Northants, Devon and Gloucs, simply because of the shared
surname. I would love to see any contemporary sources which support the
line, but won't hold my breath.

Todd