C.P. Addition: Parentage of Maud de Furnival (died c.1360), wife of John Marmion, Knt., 2nd Lord Marmion

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): 520–521 (sub Marmion) has a good account
of Sir John Marmion, Knt., 2nd Lord Marmion, who died in 1335.
Regarding his marriage, the following information is provided:

"He married Maud, who is said to have been a daughter of Thomas, Lord
Furnivalle." END OF QUOTE.

No documentation is provided for this statement.

Elsewhere I note that Dugdale, Baronage I: 377 states that Maud, wife
of John Marmion, Knt., 2nd Lord Marmion, was the daughter of Thomas de
Furnival, Knt., 1st Lord Furnival. While Dugdale is almost certainly
correct, no direct evidence is cited by Dugdale to substantiate this
parentage.

Recent research indicates that In 1306 Maud’s father, Thomas de
Furnival, amd Robert le Breton [seneschal of Hallamshire] owed a debt
of £300 to John Marmion’s father, the elder John Marmion, Knt. [1st
Lord Marmion]. The abstract of this record is available through the
online catalogue of the National Archives, a copy of which record is
provided below. This debt was doubtless in connection with the
arrangements for marriage of Maud and the younger John Marmion.

C 241/80/243
Record Summary
Scope and content

Debtor: Thomas de Furnivall {Fournyvale}, knight [lord of Sheffield,
Strafforth Wapentake, W.R., and of the barony of Hallamshire,
W.R.Yorks] and Robert le Breton.

Creditor: John Marmion {Marmyoun}, knight [held part of Stanwick in
Gilling West Wapentake, Little Langton, and Manfield in Gilling East
Wapentake, Wath and Exelby in Halikeld Wapentake [N.R.Yorks]

Amount: £300
Before whom: Nicholas de Langton, Mayor of York; Edward de York,
Clerk.
When taken: 04/07/1306
First term: 11/11/1306
Last term: 02/06/1308
Writ to: Sheriff of Yorks
Sent by: Vincent Verdenell of York; Roger de Clotherholme, Clerk.
Covering dates 1314 Sep 14
+ + + + + + + + + +

As for other evidence of Maud’s maiden name, Archaeologia 47 (1882):
185 records that there was seal of the Hospital of St. Giles of
Brompton Bridge, Yorkshire dated 1376 — the subject of the seal being
St. Giles in chasuble and stole.... all beneath an ogee tabernacle, on
the shafts of which are two shields — 1, vair, a fess gules, Marmion.
— 2, a bend between six martlets, Furnival. The author supposes that
Maud de Furnival, wife of John Marmion, may have been a benefactress
of the Hospital of St. Giles, which would explain the appearance of
the Marmion and Furnival arms on this seal.

This information may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=UZ4hAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA185

That Maud Marmion had a close association with the Hospital of St.
Giles of Brompton Ridge is in fact confirmed by a fine dated 1343,
whereby Maud settled various manors on herself for life with remainder
to her heirs [see Feet of Fines for York[shire] 1327–1347 (Yorkshire
Arch. Soc. Recs. 42) (1910): 164]. One of the feoffees she employed
in this settlement was Simon de Wintringham, Master of the Hospital of
St. Giles.

A copy of the 1343 fine may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://archive.org/stream/feetoffinesforco42bail#page/164/mode/2up

While the evidence found to date doesn't conclusively prove that Maud
Marmion was a member of the Furnival family, the evidence is highly
suggestive that this is so.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

[John Watson]

Douglas,

Here's another fine where Maud uses Simon de Wintringham as a feoffee:

1340, 14 Edw. III, Maud late the wife of John Marmyoun v. Robert Noreys, rector of the church of Westretford, and Simon de Wyntryngham, master of the hospital of St. Giles by Catryk ; manors of Berewyk in Sussex, Wyntryngham in Lincoln, and Quenton in Gloucestershire ; to Maud for life, remainder to Robert son of John Marmyoun for life, then to John de Gray of Retherefeld and Avice his wife and heirs of their bodies, contingent remainders to heirs of the body of Avice, to John de Bernak and Joan his wife and heirs of her body, or to right heirs of the said Robert son of John Marmyoun.
Sussex Record Society, Vol. 23, Abstract of Feet of Fines for the County of Sussex, 1 Edward II to 24 Henry VII (1916) p. 99, No. 1914

Regards,

John

[Douglas Richardson]

Thanks for posting this record, John. Much appreciated.

[Wjhonson]

Which pushes back by two years (at least) the date that certain people have ("about 1342") for the marriage of Avice to John

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[Douglas Richardson]

< Douglas,
<
< Here's another fine where Maud uses Simon de Wintringham as a
feoffee:
<
< 1340, 14 Edw. III, Maud late the wife of John Marmyoun v. Robert
Noreys, rector
< of the church of Westretford, and Simon de Wyntryngham, master of
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< of St. Giles by Catryk ; manors of Berewyk in Sussex, Wyntryngham in
Lincoln,
< and Quenton in Gloucestershire ; to Maud for life, remainder to
Robert son of
< John Marmyoun for life, then to John de Gray of Retherefeld and
Avice his wife
< and heirs of their bodies, contingent remainders to heirs of the
body of Avice,
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right heirs of
< the said Robert son of John Marmyoun.
< Sussex Record Society, Vol. 23, Abstract of Feet of Fines for the
County of
< Sussex, 1 Edward II to 24 Henry VII (1916) p. 99, No. 1914
<
< Regards,
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< John

The fine is dated (as you noted) 14 Edward III, which date should be
correctly rendered 1340-1.

The fine, by the way, can also be viewed at the following weblink:

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=65802