CP XIV: Brian fitz Alan

[Richard Borthwick]

In CP XIV:324 there is an important correction to note (d) in CP V:393
based on two works by C T Clay which which seems to have the effect of
disconnecting the Fitz Alans of Bedale from the family of the duke of
Brittany. But the entry in CP XIV goes on to remark that Brian was living
in 1242. I think this has to be a printing error for 1142. Any comments?

[Cristopher Nash]

Richard -- Not having XIV in front of me, a bit confused about this, since
CP had accepted this old argument of the first of the Clays for over half a
century (see X, 781n, which as I recall is pubd 1945). Perhaps the
confirmation of the earlier C.T.Clay argument [Early Yorkshire Charters, V,
pt 2, 196-227 (espec.the alternative genealogy, 200-205) & Yorks Arch
Journ. vol. 30 (1930-1), 281-90] in a 1973 publication by Sir Charles Clay
[Early Yorks Families (York Arch Soc Series, vol. 135 [1973]), 27]
convinced the ed. of CP XIV that the thing ought to be underlined. About
the 1242 date gaffe - a puzzle. But Brian FitzAlan the grandson of Brian
son of Scolland (and not s. of Alan, Count of Brittany) - is commonly given
as having d. 1242 - perhaps the apparent slip is owing to an inadvertent
omission of 2 generations in a line or two. Seen worse, no? (At least
this one had the advantage of being obvious.) <?-/)

Cris

[Rania Melhem]

Are we talking about Brien FitzCount here?
I would love to know more about him.
Rania

[Cristopher Nash]

>Are we talking about Brien FitzCount here?
>I would love to know more about him.
>Rania

No, entirely diff guy.

You'll find discussion of your man in archives here.

Cris

[U...@aol.com]

In a message dated 6/20/99 7:34:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
en...@csv.warwick.ac.uk writes:

<< But Brian FitzAlan the grandson of Brian
son of Scolland (and not s. of Alan, Count of Brittany) - is commonly given
as having d. 1242 >>

I have Brian FitzAlan d. aft. 17 Jul 1242 as son of Alan FitzBrian--your post
indicates he is not s. of Alan. help.

Always optimistic--Dave