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Leo van de Pas via
Oct 12, 2014, 8:00:14 PM10/12/14
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I looked at the Complete Baronetage and from there went to Burke's Peerage
Here Sir James Abercromby, 2nd Baronet is shown with 10 sons and 5 daughters.
There is a John, baptised 11 October 1711 and died in Russia. Ony two sons are shown with wives, but not John.
This John could be the John Abercomby of Skeith who married Mary Grant but how likely? Was John Joseph Abercromby perhaps vague because his John Abercromby of Skeith was illegitimate? Or was it wishful thinking?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Here Sir James Abercromby, 2nd Baronet is shown with 10 sons and 5 daughters.
There is a John, baptised 11 October 1711 and died in Russia. Ony two sons are shown with wives, but not John.
This John could be the John Abercomby of Skeith who married Mary Grant but how likely? Was John Joseph Abercromby perhaps vague because his John Abercromby of Skeith was illegitimate? Or was it wishful thinking?
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
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jhigg...@yahoo.com
Oct 12, 2014, 10:34:18 PM10/12/14
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On Sunday, October 12, 2014 5:00:14 PM UTC-7, Leo van de Pas via wrote:
> I looked at the Complete Baronetage and from there went to Burke's Peerage
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> Here Sir James Abercromby, 2nd Baronet is shown with 10 sons and 5 daughters.
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> There is a John, baptised 11 October 1711 and died in Russia. Ony two sons are shown with wives, but not John.
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> This John could be the John Abercomby of Skeith who married Mary Grant but how likely? Was John Joseph Abercromby perhaps vague because his John Abercromby of Skeith was illegitimate? Or was it wishful thinking?
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> With best wishes
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> Leo van de Pas
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> Canberra, Australia
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Cavendish D. Abercromby, "The Family of Abercromby" (Aberdeen, 1927) provides the same information that Leo has cited from CB regarding John, the son of George the 2nd Baronet, and says specifically that John died sp. There seems to be good reason to doubtful about this line.
> I looked at the Complete Baronetage and from there went to Burke's Peerage
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> Here Sir James Abercromby, 2nd Baronet is shown with 10 sons and 5 daughters.
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> There is a John, baptised 11 October 1711 and died in Russia. Ony two sons are shown with wives, but not John.
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> This John could be the John Abercomby of Skeith who married Mary Grant but how likely? Was John Joseph Abercromby perhaps vague because his John Abercromby of Skeith was illegitimate? Or was it wishful thinking?
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> With best wishes
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> Leo van de Pas
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> Canberra, Australia
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Kelsey Jackson Williams
Oct 13, 2014, 2:58:34 PM10/13/14
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You're both right - this filiation seems to be incorrect. I wonder, does Cavendish Abercromby have anything to say about the Abercrombys of Skeith? An initial trawl of Banff-specific records doesn't seem to show a John Abercromby of Skeith active at the right time and I'm beginning to wonder if the Lyon Office pedigree might be either seriously confused or simply fictional.
All the best,
Kelsey
scotsgenealogist.com
All the best,
Kelsey
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jhigg...@yahoo.com
Oct 13, 2014, 6:51:40 PM10/13/14
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I also don't immediately see how the 1699 George Abercromby of Tullibody and Skeith is a cousin of Alexander, son of the 1st Baronet. OTOH the Google snippet also indicates that "the history of the earlier line of Skeith is far from easy to follow". I'm trying to obtain the book from interlibrary loan to perhaps clarify the situation (or perhaps not, since your Abercrombies are somewhat later).
Kelsey Jackson Williams
Oct 14, 2014, 3:40:07 PM10/14/14
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Yes, I've come across the Abercrombys of Tullibody and Skeith as well. I wonder, in fact, if there may not have been two only distantly related families who held the same lands in succession (with the George who died in 1699 being the last member of one), which would complicate this line even further. I've been trying to develop a pedigree of the family from contemporary records, but have yet to find anything that would provide evidence of a link with John Joseph Abercromby:
Adam Abercrombie was retoured heir to his father William Abecrombie of Overskeith in the lands of Ovir and Nethir Pitglasseis within the bishopric of Aberdeen, the lands of Auchnahandauche adjacent to the previous, the lands of Overskeith in the barony of Deskfurde, and two parts of the lands of Enoch in the barony of Coronassie, 31 October 1606 (Inq. Ret., Banff, no. 24).
George Abercromby, apparent of Skeith, was one of "heretors and gentrie of Banffshyr" who appeared for the appointing of a guard and the revaluation of the shire, 2 December 1653 (Banff Records, 143).
George Abercromby of Skeith witnessed the baptism of Thomas Muirsone in Deskford, 30 June 1677 (OPR, i. 25). He was described as "Laird of Tilliboddie and Skeith" when he witnessed the baptism of George, son of Alexander Abercromby in Deskford on 21 August 1686 (OPRs, i. 38). He held Skeith, situated in Deskford parish and valued at £180, at the time of the 1690 valuation roll (Banff Records, 271).
Alexander Abercromby of Skeith was "of Berrihillock" as early as 1691 and "of Skeith" by 1699. He was named a Commissioner of Supply for Banffshire, 19 June 1702 (Banff Records, 232) and again in 1704 (Banff Records, 258) and was appointed a Justice of the Peace for Banffshire, 4 June 1706 (Banff Records, 281). He was still, or was again, a Commissioner of Supply, 7 March 1716 (Banff Records, 316). He sold his estate to the Earl of Findlater in 1721 (Cramond, Annals of Cullen, 66). He married Marrat Abercromby, who was described as the "Good wife of Berrihillock" when she witnessed the baptism of Marrat Wilsone in Deskford, 2 August 1696 (OPRs, i. 50a).
i. George, of whom below.
ii. Francis, baptised 10 September 1691 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 42a).
iii. Mary, baptised 14 June 1693 in Deskford; Mr. James Hendersone, Minr., Walter Ogilvy of Airdoch, Mary Gordone, Lady of Birkenbogg, and Mary Hendersone, good wife of Airdoch, witnesses (OPRs, i. 45a).
iv. child, baptised 22 June 1694 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 47a).
v. Elizabeth, baptised 5 May 1696 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 49).
vi. James, baptised 12 March 1698 in Deskford; John Gordon of Letterfury elder, John Innes in Nealtry, and John Ogilvy witnesses (OPRs, i. 51).
vii. Grissell, baptised 3 August 1699 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 52). She witnessed the baptism of Grissell, daughter of William Abercromby in Skeith, 8 October 1715 (Deskford OPRs, i. 66).
viii. Mary, baptised 25 July 1700 in Deskford; James Ord, Walter Ogilvy, Mary Hendersone, and Mary Follae witnesses (OPRs, i. 53a).
ix. Walter, baptised 26 August 1701 in Deskford; Walter Ogilvy of Airdoch and Walter Ogilvy in Blearock witnesses (OPRs, i. 54).
George Abercromby, younger of Skeith, was baptised 21 August 1686 in Deskford; George Abercromby of Tullibody and Skeith witness (OPR, i. 38). He was one of Banff heritors involved the 1715 rebellion according to a letter from Lord Chief Justice Cockburn to Lord Townshend, 8 September 1716 (Banff Records, 322). By Margaret Pack he had an illegitimate son,
James, baptised 6 November 1712 in Deskford; James Stronnach, James Dow, James Steinsone, James Sinkler, Elspet Jonston, and Helen Steinsone witnesses (OPRs, i. 64a).
By Marrat Machatty he had another illegitimate son,
William, baptised 13 February 1715 in Deskford; no witnesses given (OPRs, i. 66a).
All the best,
Kelsey
Adam Abercrombie was retoured heir to his father William Abecrombie of Overskeith in the lands of Ovir and Nethir Pitglasseis within the bishopric of Aberdeen, the lands of Auchnahandauche adjacent to the previous, the lands of Overskeith in the barony of Deskfurde, and two parts of the lands of Enoch in the barony of Coronassie, 31 October 1606 (Inq. Ret., Banff, no. 24).
George Abercromby, apparent of Skeith, was one of "heretors and gentrie of Banffshyr" who appeared for the appointing of a guard and the revaluation of the shire, 2 December 1653 (Banff Records, 143).
George Abercromby of Skeith witnessed the baptism of Thomas Muirsone in Deskford, 30 June 1677 (OPR, i. 25). He was described as "Laird of Tilliboddie and Skeith" when he witnessed the baptism of George, son of Alexander Abercromby in Deskford on 21 August 1686 (OPRs, i. 38). He held Skeith, situated in Deskford parish and valued at £180, at the time of the 1690 valuation roll (Banff Records, 271).
Alexander Abercromby of Skeith was "of Berrihillock" as early as 1691 and "of Skeith" by 1699. He was named a Commissioner of Supply for Banffshire, 19 June 1702 (Banff Records, 232) and again in 1704 (Banff Records, 258) and was appointed a Justice of the Peace for Banffshire, 4 June 1706 (Banff Records, 281). He was still, or was again, a Commissioner of Supply, 7 March 1716 (Banff Records, 316). He sold his estate to the Earl of Findlater in 1721 (Cramond, Annals of Cullen, 66). He married Marrat Abercromby, who was described as the "Good wife of Berrihillock" when she witnessed the baptism of Marrat Wilsone in Deskford, 2 August 1696 (OPRs, i. 50a).
i. George, of whom below.
ii. Francis, baptised 10 September 1691 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 42a).
iii. Mary, baptised 14 June 1693 in Deskford; Mr. James Hendersone, Minr., Walter Ogilvy of Airdoch, Mary Gordone, Lady of Birkenbogg, and Mary Hendersone, good wife of Airdoch, witnesses (OPRs, i. 45a).
iv. child, baptised 22 June 1694 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 47a).
v. Elizabeth, baptised 5 May 1696 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 49).
vi. James, baptised 12 March 1698 in Deskford; John Gordon of Letterfury elder, John Innes in Nealtry, and John Ogilvy witnesses (OPRs, i. 51).
vii. Grissell, baptised 3 August 1699 in Deskford; witnesses not given (OPRs, i. 52). She witnessed the baptism of Grissell, daughter of William Abercromby in Skeith, 8 October 1715 (Deskford OPRs, i. 66).
viii. Mary, baptised 25 July 1700 in Deskford; James Ord, Walter Ogilvy, Mary Hendersone, and Mary Follae witnesses (OPRs, i. 53a).
ix. Walter, baptised 26 August 1701 in Deskford; Walter Ogilvy of Airdoch and Walter Ogilvy in Blearock witnesses (OPRs, i. 54).
George Abercromby, younger of Skeith, was baptised 21 August 1686 in Deskford; George Abercromby of Tullibody and Skeith witness (OPR, i. 38). He was one of Banff heritors involved the 1715 rebellion according to a letter from Lord Chief Justice Cockburn to Lord Townshend, 8 September 1716 (Banff Records, 322). By Margaret Pack he had an illegitimate son,
James, baptised 6 November 1712 in Deskford; James Stronnach, James Dow, James Steinsone, James Sinkler, Elspet Jonston, and Helen Steinsone witnesses (OPRs, i. 64a).
By Marrat Machatty he had another illegitimate son,
William, baptised 13 February 1715 in Deskford; no witnesses given (OPRs, i. 66a).
All the best,
Kelsey
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