On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 3:58:35 AM UTC-5, Brad Verity wrote:
> Which leaves me with a few questions:
> 1) Who was "Thomas Musgrave of Bewcastell", husband of Wilgefrid Fenwick?
> 2) Who was "Thomas Musgrave, of Murton", husband of Alice Beauchamp?
> 3) Who was "Thomas Musgrave, marshal of Berwick", father of Cuthbert Musgrave?
> 4) Were either of the three Thomas Musgraves above, the Thomas Musgrave who was the eldest son of Sir John Musgrave and Margaret Dudley?
Brad,
I have been struggling to sort out the various Musgraves for awhile but still have many questions. I do have some sources which seem to indicate that the Thomas Musgrave of Bewcastle, husband of Wilgefrid Fenwick, and the Thomas Musgrave, marshal of Berwick, father of Cuthbert Musgrave, were the same man:
Sir John Musgrave was appointed constable of Bewcastle with survivorship to son Thomas in 1493
Calendar of the Patent Rolls...Henry VII, Vol 1, p. 429
12 May 1493 Grant in survivorship to the king's servant John Musgrave, one of the knights for the king's body, and Thomas Musgrave, his son, of the office of constable or keeper of the castle of Bewcastell, co. Cumberland, and chief forester of the forest of Nichollforest, in the same co.; also for the exercise of the said office and the repair of the said castle, of all lands in Bewcastelldale, co. Cumb., late of John Middleton, knight, the park or laund of Plumpton in the forest of Inglewood, co. Cumb., and common pasture in the said forest; and of an annuity of 40 l , viz, 20 l out of the issues of the manor or lordship of Sourby in the said co., and the other 20 l out of the issues of the manors or lordships or lands of Randollington, Arthureth, and Lydell in the forest of Nicholforest aforesaid
This grant was renewed in 1514
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 1, 1509-1514
Feb 1514 Sir John Musgrave, knight for the Body, and Thomas his son. Grant, in survivorship, of the offices of constable of the castle of Bewcastell, and chief forester of Nicholforeste, Cumb.; with grant, for repairs of the said castle, of. lands in Bewcastell Dale lately belonging to Sir John Middelton; and the park or laund of Plompton in the forest of Inglewood, and common of pasture there; with leave to build houses in the said park, and with annual rent of 40l., half payable from the issues of the manor aforesaid (of Sowerby ?) (fn. 3), and half from the manors of Randollington, Arthureth and Lyddell in Nichol-forest. Lambeth, 14 Feb. 5 Hen. VIII. Del. Westm., 18 Feb. P.S. Pat.5 Hen. VIII. p. 2, m. 14. [4791.]
I believe it was the same Thomas Musgrave who was appointed bailiff of Penrith in 1514, based purely on Sir John Musgrave’s association with Penrith, which would also seem to indicate that he was the son of Sir John and Margaret Dudley
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 1, 1509-1514
3 Sep 1514 Thomas Musgrave, one of the King's spears in the retinue at Calais. To be bailiff of the town and lordship of Penrithe, Cumb., vice Richard Appilby, deceased; as amply as the said Richard or William Lonkester enjoyed the same. Farnham Castle, 3 Sept. 6 Hen. VIII. Del. Knoll, 16 Sept. P.S. (in English). Pat. 6 Hen. VIII. p. 2, m. 10. [5423.]
Thomas succeeded his father as constable of Bewcastle in 1515
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 2, 1515-1518
28 Oct 1515 084. For TH. MUSGRAFE. To be constable of Bewcastell, and chief forester of Nichol forest, Cumb.; keeper of the possessions late of Sir John Middelton in Bewcastell Dale; the park of Plompton; and annuity of 40l. payable out of the manors of Sourby, Cumb., and Randollington, Arthureth, and Lyddell in Nicholforest. Westm., 28 Oct.
Apparently there were complaints that Thomas Musgrave was not carrying out his duties adequately at Bewcastle and an attempt was made to replace him in 1527 but he refused to surrender his patent
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 4, 1524-1530
Dec 1527 6. Wm. lord Dacre, of Graistock. To be constable of Bewcastle and lands, chief forester of Nicol forest and the park of Plompton, Inglewood forest, Cumb., in reversion, formerly belonging to Sir Jo. Middelton, with an annual rent of 40l., on vacation by Tho. Musgrave. Westm., 6 Dec.—Pat. 19 Hen. VIII. p. 2, m. 18.
2 Apr 1528 Wm Ld Dacre to Wolsey...Wolsey wrote that he had spoken with Thos. Musgrave to deliver Beawcastell to Dacre, but it is in such decay no man can dwell there. Musgrave has clearly spoiled it; taken away all the lead, and broken the glass windows. Begs Wolsey will get Musgrave to surrender his patent, and he will reasonably agree with him at Wolsey's pleasure.
18 Jul 1528 Wm Ld Dacre to Wolsey...Thinks Thos. Musgrave should be ordered to lie in Bewcasteldale, which is most exposed to the incursions of the borderers.
Taking a somewhat speculative leap, I think Thomas Musgrave was persuaded to give up Bewcastle by appointing him marshal of Berwick. Note that Sir William Musgrave was appointed constable of Bewcastle on the same day that Thomas Musgrave was appointed marshal of Berwick
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 5, 1531-1532
Apr 1531 . Thomas Musgrave. To be marshal of the town of Berwick, in like manner as Thomas Strangwyshe or Sir Thomas Foster enjoyed the same. Greenwich, 24 April 23 Hen. VIII. Del. Westm., 26 April. P.S. Pat. p. 1, m. 1.
24 Apr 1531 14. Sir William Musgrave. Grant of the office of constable or keeper of Bewcastell Castle, Cumb., and chief forester of Nicolforest, Cumb.,…
Thomas Musgrave was still marshal of Berwick in 1535 but he was deceased by Feb 1541
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 8, January-July 1535
Apr 1535 27. Anthony Brakenburye, a gentleman usher of the Chamber. To be marshal of Berwick, with fees as enjoyed by Thomas Strangwais, Sir Thomas Foster, or Thomas Musgrave; in reversion after the said Thomas Musgrave, who holds the office by patent 26 April 23 Hen. VIII. Del. Westm., 17 April 26 Hen. VIII.—S.B.—Pat. p. 2.m.
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 15, 1540
27 Feb 1541 Privy Council- Sir John Wythrington should be marshall of Berwick vice Thomas Musgrave deceased
As for his son Cuthbert, he had succeeded his father Thomas, marshal of Berwick, as bailiff of Penrith in 1536
Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, of the Reign of Henry VIII, Vol. 10, January-June 1536
Mar 1536 . Cuthbert Musgrave, s. and h. of Thos. Musgrave, marshal of Berwick. To be bailiff of the town and lordship of Perythe (Penrith), Cumb., lately held by the said Thomas. Del. Westm.,7 Mar.27 Hen. VIII. —S.B.
This record seems to indicate that the same Thomas was marshal of Berwick and bailiff of Penrith and I think also the constable of Bewcastle (in which case he would be the son of Sir John Musgrave and Margaret Dudley)
I think HOP sub William Musgrave has probably confused his father Thomas of Hayton with Thomas, son of Sir John; Thomas of Hayton was apparently dead by 1534 so he could not have been the marshal who was appointed in 1535
Durham Records: Cursitor's Records: Inquisitions Post Mortem Etc., p. 468
IPM taken 12 Oct 1534 at Durham for Thomas Musgrave. William, age 16, is son and heir. By deed dated 16 Jan 1532/3 he conveyed to Wm Ld Dacre his manors (certain lands held by Hugh and Christopher Musgrave of the gift of Margaret their mother excepted) to carry out Will-viz 40 l to use of Lancelot Salkeld; 40 l to use of Elizabeth his dau; 8 l to each of sons David, John, Thomas, and Leonard and 8 l to the child which his wife is pregnant with; the lands named are 1/4 pts as in IPM of William Musgrave [these were Tilliol properties inherited from his mother]