Constance of Toulouse?
Rsnble
or Provence, wife of King Robert II of France. There seems to be a conflict on
who her parents were. Any help would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Tom Kearney
Rsn...@aol.com
ED MANN
>
> Does anyone out there have a 5-generation ahnentafel of Constance of Toulouse
> or Provence, wife of King Robert II of France. There seems to be a conflict on
> who her parents were. Any help would be appreciated.
I have:
Ancestors of Constance de Provence
Generation No. 1
1. Constance de Provence, born Abt. 986 in Toulouse, France; died 25
Jul 1032 in Meulan, France. She was the daughter of 2. Guillaume I de
Provence and 3. Adelaide de Anjou. She married (1) Robert II de France
Abt. 998. He was the son of Hugues Capet de France and Adelaide de
Poitou.
Children of Constance de Provence and Robert de France are:
i. Constance Capet, married Manasses de Dammartin.
ii. Aelis de France, born in France; died 8 Jan 1078/79 in France;
married (1) Richard III de Normandy 1027; married (2) Baudouin V de
Lille 1028 in France.
iii. Henri I de France, born Abt. 1006 in Bourgogne, France; died 4
Aug 1060 in Vitry-en-Brie, France; married (1) Mathilde Bef. 1043;
married (2) Anna Jaroslawna of Kiev 20 Jan 1043/44 in Rheims, France.
iv. Robert I de Bourgogne, born Abt. 1011; died 21 Mar 1075/76 in
Fleury-sur-Ouche, France; married (1) Ermengarde de Anjou; married (2)
Helie de Semur 1033.
v. Adele de France, died Abt. 1063; married Renaud I de Nevers.
Generation No. 2
2. Guillaume I de Provence, born 950; died 994 in (as a monk) @
Avignon, France. He was the son of 4. Boso II de Provence and 5.
Constance de Provence. He married 3. Adelaide de Anjou Aft. 981.
3. Adelaide de Anjou, born Abt. 942; died 1026. She was the daughter
of 6. Foulques II de Anjou and 7. Gerberge de Gatinais.
Children of Guillaume de Provence and Adelaide de Anjou are:
i. Guillaume II de Provence, born Abt. 983; died Aft. 30 May 1018;
married Gerberge de Bourgogne.
1 ii. Constance de Provence, born Abt. 986 in Toulouse, France; died 25
Jul 1032 in Meulan, France; married Robert II de France Abt. 998.
iii. Ermengarde de Toulouse, married Robert I de Auvergne.
iv. Toda de Provence, married Bernard I Tallaferro de Besalu.
Generation No. 3
4. Boso II de Provence, died Abt. 966. He was the son of 8. Rotbaude
I d'Angelca and 9. <Unnamed>. He married 5. Constance de Provence Abt.
930.
5. Constance de Provence, died Abt. 963. She was the daughter of 10.
Charles Constantine de Vienne and 11. Teutberge de Troyes.
Children of Boso de Provence and Constance de Provence are:
2 i. Guillaume I de Provence, born 950; died 994 in (as a monk) @
Avignon, France; married (1) Arsenda de Comminges; married (2) Adelaide
de Anjou Aft. 981.
ii. Rotbaud de Provence, born Bef. 962; died Bef. 22 Apr 1015; married
Ermengarde Abt. 1005.
6. Foulques II de Anjou, born Abt. 920 in Anjou, France; died 11 Nov
958. He was the son of 12. Foulques I de Anjou and 13. Roscilla de
Loches. He married 7. Gerberge de Gatinais.
7. Gerberge de Gatinais, died Aft. 952. She was the daughter of 14.
Herve de Gatinais.
Children of Foulques de Anjou and Gerberge de Gatinais are:
i. Geoffrey I de Anjou, born Abt. 940 in Anjou, France; died 21 Jul
987 in (in battle); married Adelaide de Vermandois Bef. 968.
3 ii. Adelaide de Anjou, born Abt. 942; died 1026; married Guillaume I
de Provence Aft. 981.
Generation No. 4
8. Rotbaude I d'Angelca, died Abt. 949. He married 9. <Unnamed>.
9. <Unnamed>. She was the daughter of 18. William le Pieux.
Child of Rotbaude d'Angelca and is:
4 i. Boso II de Provence, died Abt. 966; married Constance de Provence
Abt. 930.
10. Charles Constantine de Vienne, born Abt. 901; died Abt. Jan
961/62. He was the son of 20. Louis III Beronides of the West and 21.
Anna of Byzantium. He married 11. Teutberge de Troyes.
11. Teutberge de Troyes, died Aft. 960. She was the daughter of 22.
Garnier de Troyes and 23. Teutberga de Arles.
Child of Charles de Vienne and Teutberge de Troyes is:
5 i. Constance de Provence, died Abt. 963; married Boso II de Provence
Abt. 930.
Child of Charles Constantine de Vienne is:
i. Richard de Provence, died Aft. Jan 961/62.
12. Foulques I de Anjou, born 888 in Anjou, France; died Abt. 942. He
was the son of 24. Ingelgar de Anjou and 25. Adele de Gatinais. He
married 13. Roscilla de Loches.
13. Roscilla de Loches, born in France. She was the daughter of 26.
Werner de Loches and 27. Toscanda.
Children of Foulques de Anjou and Roscilla de Loches are:
i. Adčle de Anjou, born Abt. 914; married Gautier I de Vexin.
6 ii. Foulques II de Anjou, born Abt. 920 in Anjou, France; died 11 Nov
958; married Gerberge de Gatinais.
14. Herve de Gatinais.
Child of Herve de Gatinais is:
7 i. Gerberge de Gatinais, died Aft. 952; married Foulques II de Anjou.
Generation No. 5
18. William le Pieux.
Child of William le Pieux is:
9 i. <Unnamed>, married Rotbaude I d'Angelca.
20. Louis III Beronides of the West, born Abt. 883; died 5 Jun 928 in
Arles, France. He was the son of 40. Boso II de Provence and 41.
Ermengarde. He married 21. Anna of Byzantium Abt. 900.
21. Anna of Byzantium, born Abt. 887; died Abt. 914. She was the
daughter of 42. Leo VI of Byzantium and 43. Zoe Tzautzina.
Child of Louis of the West and Anna of Byzantium is:
10 i. Charles Constantine de Vienne, born Abt. 901; died Abt. Jan
961/62; married (1) Teutberge de Troyes.
22. Garnier de Troyes, born Abt. 868; died 925. He was the son of 44.
Richard. He married 23. Teutberga de Arles.
23. Teutberga de Arles, died Bef. 30 Sep 948. She was the daughter of
46. Theobald de Arles and 47. Bertha de Lorraine.
Children of Garnier de Troyes and Teutberga de Arles are:
11 i. Teutberge de Troyes, died Aft. 960; married Charles Constantine
de Vienne.
ii. Berta de Troyes, married Lietaud de Mācon 941.
iii. Hugh de Vienne, born Abt. 900; died Abt. 948; married Willa de
Bourgogne Bef. 927.
24. Ingelgar de Anjou, born in Anjou, France; died Abt. 888. He was
the son of 48. Tertulle de Gatinais and 49. Petronille d'Auxerre. He
married 25. Adele de Gatinais 878.
25. Adele de Gatinais, born in Gatinais, France. She was the daughter
of 50. Geoffrey de Gatinais.
Child of Ingelgar de Anjou and Adele de Gatinais is:
12 i. Foulques I de Anjou, born 888 in Anjou, France; died Abt. 942;
married Roscilla de Loches.
26. Werner de Loches. He married 27. Toscanda.
27. Toscanda.
Child of Werner de Loches and Toscanda is:
13 i. Roscilla de Loches, born in France; married Foulques I de Anjou.
Generation No. 6
40. Boso II de Provence, died 887. He was the son of 80. Budwine de
Metz and 81. Richilde de Arles. He married 41. Ermengarde 876.
41. Ermengarde, born Abt. 855; died Bef. 2 Apr 897. She was the
daughter of 82. Louis II of the West and 83. Engelberge de Alsace.
Children of Boso de Provence and Ermengarde are:
i. Willa de Vienne, died 14 Jun 929; married Rudolph I de Bourgogne
888.
20 ii. Louis III Beronides of the West, born Abt. 883; died 5 Jun 928
in Arles, France; married (1) Adelheid de Bourgogne; married (2) Anna of
Byzantium Abt. 900.
iii. Engelburga de Bourgogne, married Guillaume I de Aquitaine.
42. Leo VI of Byzantium, born 1 Sep 866; died 12 May 912. He was the
son of 84. Basil I of Byzantium and 85. Eudocia Ingerina. He married
43. Zoe Tzautzina 898.
43. Zoe Tzautzina, died Dec 899. She was the daughter of 86.
Stylianos Tzautzes.
Child of Leo of Byzantium and Zoe Tzautzina is:
21 i. Anna of Byzantium, born Abt. 887; died Abt. 914; married Louis
III Beronides of the West Abt. 900.
44. Richard, died Aft. 884. He was the son of 88. Thierry I de Autun.
Child of Richard is:
22 i. Garnier de Troyes, born Abt. 868; died 925; married Teutberga de
Arles.
46. Theobald de Arles, died Bef. 896. He was the son of 92. Herbert
de Bourgogne. He married 47. Bertha de Lorraine Abt. 879.
47. Bertha de Lorraine, born 863; died 8 Mar 924/25. She was the
daughter of 94. Lothar II de Lorraine and 95. Waldrada.
Children of Theobald de Arles and Bertha de Lorraine are:
23 i. Teutberga de Arles, died Bef. 30 Sep 948; married Garnier de
Troyes.
ii. Hugh di Italia, born Abt. 880; died 10 Apr 947.
iii. Boso de Arles, born 885; died 936; married Willa d'Tuscany.
48. Tertulle de Gatinais. He was the son of 96. Hugh de Bourges. He
married 49. Petronille d'Auxerre.
49. Petronille d'Auxerre.
Child of Tertulle de Gatinais and Petronille d'Auxerre is:
24 i. Ingelgar de Anjou, born in Anjou, France; died Abt. 888; married
Adele de Gatinais 878.
50. Geoffrey de Gatinais.
Child of Geoffrey de Gatinais is:
25 i. Adele de Gatinais, born in Gatinais, France; married Ingelgar de
Anjou 878.
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
Francisco Antonio Doria
>>
>> Does anyone out there have a 5-generation ahnentafel of Constance of Toulouse
>> or Provence, wife of King Robert II of France. There seems to be a conflict
>on
>> who her parents were. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>I have:
>
>Ancestors of Constance de Provence
Just notice that the Charles Constantine - Byzantium connection is conjectural (see Settipani), even if it sounds OK to me. Chico Doria
> i. AdĖle de Anjou, born Abt. 914; married Gautier I de Vexin.
> 6 ii. Foulques II de Anjou, born Abt. 920 in Anjou, France; died 11 Nov
>958; married Gerberge de Gatinais.
>
> 14. Herve de Gatinais.
>
>Child of Herve de Gatinais is:
> 7 i. Gerberge de Gatinais, died Aft. 952; married Foulques II de Anjou.
>
>
>Generation No. 5
>
> 18. William le Pieux.
>
>Child of William le Pieux is:
> 9 i. <Unnamed>, married Rotbaude I d'Angelca.
>
> 20. Louis III Beronides of the West, born Abt. 883; died 5 Jun 928 in
>Arles, France. He was the son of 40. Boso II de Provence and 41.
>Ermengarde. He married 21. Anna of Byzantium Abt. 900.
> 21. Anna of Byzantium, born Abt. 887; died Abt. 914. She was the
>daughter of 42. Leo VI of Byzantium and 43. Zoe Tzautzina.
>
>Child of Louis of the West and Anna of Byzantium is:
> 10 i. Charles Constantine de Vienne, born Abt. 901; died Abt. Jan
>961/62; married (1) Teutberge de Troyes.
>
> 22. Garnier de Troyes, born Abt. 868; died 925. He was the son of 44.
>Richard. He married 23. Teutberga de Arles.
> 23. Teutberga de Arles, died Bef. 30 Sep 948. She was the daughter of
>46. Theobald de Arles and 47. Bertha de Lorraine.
>
>Children of Garnier de Troyes and Teutberga de Arles are:
> 11 i. Teutberge de Troyes, died Aft. 960; married Charles Constantine
>de Vienne.
> ii. Berta de Troyes, married Lietaud de M’con 941.
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> >Rsnble wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone out there have a 5-generation ahnentafel of Constance of Toulouse
> >> or Provence, wife of King Robert II of France. There seems to be a conflict
> >on
> >> who her parents were. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >I have:
> >
> >Ancestors of Constance de Provence
>
> Just notice that the Charles Constantine - Byzantium connection is conjectural
> (see Settipani), even if it sounds OK to me. Chico Doria
And so is the Constance - Charles Constantine link.
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Rsnble wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone out there have a 5-generation ahnentafel of Constance of Toulouse
> > or Provence, wife of King Robert II of France. There seems to be a conflict on
> > who her parents were. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> I have:
>
> Ancestors of Constance de Provence
[many snips]
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Constance de Provence, born Abt. 986 in Toulouse, France; died 25
> Jul 1032 in Meulan, France.
>
> Children of Constance de Provence and Robert de France are:
> i. Constance Capet, married Manasses de Dammartin.
This was suggested by Evans (I think it was) without citation, and
although it has nomenclature on its side, it is problematic since
chronicle evidence specifically gives Robert and Constance 2 daughters,
and the other two are well documented. Capet, like Plantagenet, was not
a surname at this time, but has incorrectly been assigned retroactively.
> ii. Aelis de France, born in France; died 8 Jan 1078/79 in France;
> married (1) Richard III de Normandy 1027; married (2) Baudouin V de
> Lille 1028 in France.
> v. Adele de France, died Abt. 1063; married Renaud I de Nevers.
These are backwards. It was Adele that married Richard III and Baldwin
V, and Aelis who married Renaud. They have been confused since the
names were incorrectly thought to be alternative forms of the same name.
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2. Guillaume I de Provence, born 950; died 994 in (as a monk) @
He may have been Guillaume II, but it is a question of numbers, not of
identity.
> 3. Adelaide de Anjou, born Abt. 942; died 1026. She was the daughter
> of 6. Foulques II de Anjou and 7. Gerberge de Gatinais.
>
> Children of Guillaume de Provence and Adelaide de Anjou are:
> i. Guillaume II de Provence, born Abt. 983;
> 1 ii. Constance de Provence, born Abt. 986 in Toulouse, France; died 25
This birthplace is probably a holdout from the old misidentification of
her parentage.
> iii. Ermengarde de Toulouse, married Robert I de Auvergne.
Not de Toulouse. The family had no claim there.
> iv. Toda de Provence, married Bernard I Tallaferro de Besalu.
While Stasser postulates her, I have nomenclatural problems with it.
> Generation No. 3
>
> 4. Boso II de Provence, died Abt. 966.
> 5. Constance de Provence, died Abt. 963. She was the daughter of 10.
> Charles Constantine de Vienne and 11. Teutberge de Troyes.
This is hypothesis, but probably sound.
> 6. Foulques II de Anjou, born Abt. 920 in Anjou, France; died 11 Nov
> 7. Gerberge de Gatinais, died Aft. 952. She was the daughter of 14.
> Herve de Gatinais.
Gerberge has been much discussed, but clearly Christian Settipani is
correct in arguing that her father was Geoffrey of Gatinais.
>
> Generation No. 4
>
> 8. Rotbaude I d'Angelca, died Abt. 949. He married 9. <Unnamed>.
> 9. <Unnamed>. She was the daughter of 18. William le Pieux.
I have seent his speculated before, but have my doubts. Nat Taylor
could probably better address this.
>
> Generation No. 5
>
> 24. Ingelgar de Anjou, born in Anjou, France; died Abt. 888. He was
> the son of 48. Tertulle de Gatinais and 49. Petronille d'Auxerre. He
> married 25. Adele de Gatinais 878.
> 25. Adele de Gatinais, born in Gatinais, France. She was the daughter
> of 50. Geoffrey de Gatinais.
Again following Settipani, this origin for Adele is the result of
confusion of Ingelger with a near-contemporary Ingelramn, the latter of
whom was the son-in-law of Geoffrey. He speculates that through Adele,
the names Fulk and Guy/Wido came into the family, and that she has ties
to the Lambert/Wido's of Nantes and Italy.
As to Tertulle (not de Gatinais, not that it matters) and Petronille, we
have clearly passed into legend at this point, and they should be
excised.
taf
Cristopher Nash
>Francisco Antonio Doria wrote:
>> Just notice that the Charles Constantine - Byzantium connection is
>>conjectural
>> (see Settipani), even if it sounds OK to me. Chico Doria
>
>
>And so is the Constance - Charles Constantine link.
>
>taf
Todd, are you by any chance drawing on Settipani for this too? (I suspect
not.) To clarify my reason for asking, my query to Chico (which he aims to
answer this weekend) was --
>I'd've imagined Settipani would have found it conjectural and am just
>wondering, Chico (with apologies for not having the right stuff at hand,
>forgive the expression), whether you might just fill us in briefly on the
>argument. Wouldn't bother about this, only I note that AR7 gives
>Settipani evidently as a source _for_ the Byzantine connection (Line 141A,
>21). Can't believe Weis & David Kelley missed the blank irony in the
>cited Settipani piece's charming title ("Des Capétiens à Ramses
>II...pourquois pas?").<
I don't regard this as a big issue; I'm just curious as to where we're
coming from and whether we're all on the same page.
Cris
Alan B. Wilson
> ED MANN wrote:
> >
> > Rsnble wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone out there have a 5-generation ahnentafel of Constance of
Toulouse
> > > or Provence, wife of King Robert II of France. There seems to be a
conflict on
> > > who her parents were. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > I have:
> >
> > Ancestors of Constance de Provence
>
> [many snips]
>
> > Generation No. 1
> >
> > 1. Constance de Provence, born Abt. 986 in Toulouse, France;
died 25
> > Jul 1032 in Meulan, France.
> >
> > Children of Constance de Provence and Robert de France are:
> > i. Constance Capet, married Manasses de Dammartin.
>
> This was suggested by Evans (I think it was) without citation, and
> although it has nomenclature on its side, it is problematic since
> chronicle evidence specifically gives Robert and Constance 2 daughters,
> and the other two are well documented. Capet, like Plantagenet, was not
> a surname at this time, but has incorrectly been assigned retroactively.
>
> > ii. Aelis de France, born in France; died 8 Jan
1078/79 in France;
> > married (1) Richard III de Normandy 1027; married (2) Baudouin V de
> > Lille 1028 in France.
>
> > v. Adele de France, died Abt. 1063; married
Renaud I de Nevers.
>
> These are backwards. It was Adele that married Richard III and Baldwin
> V, and Aelis who married Renaud. They have been confused since the
> names were incorrectly thought to be alternative forms of the same name.
>
ES ii, 11, lists the two daughters of Robert II and Constance as follows:
Adèle, Countess of Auxerre, founded the cloister Crisenen at
La-Ferté-sur-Issence, b. ca 1003, d. 5 Jun aft 1063; m. ca 1015 Renaud,
Count of Nevers who d. 29 May 1040.
Adelaide (Aelis) the holy Countess of Contenance, founded the cloister of
Messines near Ypres, b. ca 1009, d. Messines 8 Jan 1079, bur. there; m.
firstly Jan 1027 Richard III, duke of Normandy, d. 6 Aug 1027; m. secondly
Paris 1028 Baldwin V, Count of Flanders, Regenmt of France, d. Lille 1 Sep
1067, bur. there.
If these ladies have been reversed, which, if any of the biographical
facts should follow the names when we swap names: titles? cloisters
founded? dates? places? (I notice that Bouchard, pp. 343-344, refers to
the wife of "Raynald" as "Hadwidis/Adelaide" and indicates uncertainty
about the name, but does say that that she brought the county of Auxerre
as dowry. Also, to add to the confusion, Weis at AR 128:22 refers to the
wife of Baldwin V as "Adèle or Aelis"; and in ES ii, 5, she is "Aelide".)
Is there a discussion of this name reversal to which we might refer
and rely upon?
> taf
--
Alan B. Wilson
abwi...@uclink4.berkeley.edu
Todd A. Farmerie
There was an article in Medieval Prosopography specifically addressing
the Countess of Nevers, and discussing her identity as daughter of
Robert II. Unfortunately, I failed to locate my copy last night, so I
can't give you the exact citation. Anyone? I will keep looking.
taf
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Todd A. Farmerie <ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote on
> >Francisco Antonio Doria wrote:
>
> >> Just notice that the Charles Constantine - Byzantium connection is
> >>conjectural
> >> (see Settipani), even if it sounds OK to me. Chico Doria
> >
> >
> >And so is the Constance - Charles Constantine link.
> >
> >taf
>
> Todd, are you by any chance drawing on Settipani for this too? (I suspect
> not.) To clarify my reason for asking, my query to Chico (which he aims to
> answer this weekend) was --
I am sure that Settipani is the original source for it, but I haven't
read his discussion of it directly. I do know that there are no sources
specifically naming Constance as daughter of Charles Constantine - that
the basis for the hypothesis is primarily nomenclatural.
taf
Francisco Antonio Doria
Sent: 12/6/98 3:26 PM
To: ta...@po.cwru.edu
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
taf
----------
Yes, I too would like to hear from Christian himself here, but I can
summarize his argument (as promised):
(LGA, p. 7)
Main argument is: one letter from Patriarch Nicholas the Mystic witnesses
that Emperor Leo VI of Byzantium had married his daughter to a Frankish
prince, cousin of Bertha [of Tuscia], a prince who had suffered a great
misfortune. This French prince can be no other that Louis III, Western
Emperor from 901 to 905, blinded in July 905, the son of Irmingardis, who
was Bertha's first cousin. (Translation from LGA.)
This is in support of Anna of Byzantium who married Louis the Blind being
the daughter of Leo VI. (Anna of Byzantium is given as Louis' wife and
mother of Charles Constantine in the table `Bosonids' at the end of
Riche's *The Carolingians*. No father is specified for her, however; that
table is due to M. I. Allen.)
So here we have the crucial link Leo VI - Anna - Charles Constantine.
Re Todd's remark on Settipani being the source for this link: doesn't
seem so, as CS himself quotes J. Gay 1904 as a footnote reference.
There is another point not mentioned by Settipani: PO (I, p. 256) gives
Eudoxia (Bertha), d. of one Hugo de Arles in this family (Hugues, count
of the Viennois?) as the wife of Romanus II, Leo's gson. So the two
families were in contact.
Francisco Antonio Doria
fad...@rio.com.br
Tels.: 021-547-5541/024-231-4133
SETTIPANI
l’Antiquite’. To sum up : The name Constantia does not appear in comital
aristocracy before this woman, a countess of Arles, in Provence. It is
so very suggestive that at the time of her birth, the chief of the
regnant family in Provence was named Charles Constantine. Moreover, the
granddaughter of this Constantia, the queen Constantia, have attested
relationship with kindred of Charles Constantine. The conclusion that
Constantia was the daughter (or sister) of Constantine was made
independently by M. Chaume, J. Berge and J.-P. Poly.
Charles Constantine is the son of an emperor, and was named after the
first occidental (frankish) emperor, Charlemagne, and the first oriental
(Byzantine) emperor, Constantine the Great. He claimed evidently descent
from both frankish and byzantine imperial ancestry. Precisely, we know
that sometime before 911, the byzantine emperor Leon VI had given his
only daughter to a frankish prince, cousin of Bertha of Tuscia and
misfortuned. That is far good for the frankish emperor Louis III, second
cousin of Bertha, blinked in 905, father of Charles Constantine. Fine
analysis has showed that chronology fit very well.
So, on both cases, no certitude, but good presomptions.
Other things, about Ed Mann’s long genealogy, and the accurate comments
of Taf :
It is J. Depoin who has first supposed that Constantia, wife of Manasses
of Dammartin was the daughter of Robert II and queen Constantia. The
children of Manasses were named Eudes, Hugues and Adelaide. But Raoul
Glaber says, c. 1030/1045, that Robert and Constantia have four sons and
two daughters. The two daughters are Adele, wife of Baldwin V, and
Hadvise (not Adelaide, a late medieval mistake). There is a definitive
paper about this by W. Scott Jessee, ‘A missing Capetian Princess’,
Medieval Prosopography, 11,2 (1990), p. 1-15. In the same sentence,
Raoul Glaber says that Robert married once to Constantia, daughter of
William duke of Aquitaine, and that they had two daughters. But he don’t
know very well the royal family, for Constantia was the daughter of
William of Provence, not Aquitaine, and Robert had many wifes. And Aimo
know only one daughter to Robert, the wife of Renaud of Nevers. He don’t
know of Adele, married in Flandre. I think the Bourguignon Raoul Glaber
can equally be unaware of a third daughter, married outside Bourgogne.
For Ermengarde, wife of Robert of Auvergne, and Toda de Besalu, I’m in
disagreement with each of my friends S. de Vajay, C. Lauranson, M.
Aurell and Thierry Stasser. Ermengarde was the half-sister of Constantia
by her mother and Toda her half-sister by her father. The two
genealogies will be discussed lenghty in my next book.
For the origin of Gerberga of Anjou, I have recently examine the
question and concluded that she was the daughter of Geoffrey, count of
Nevers and Gatinais. No Herve in this genealogy.
I think that the wife of Rotbald of Arles is really a daughter of
William the Pious. G. de Manteyer as demonstrated that Rotbald was
linked with this duke. While he has given to his sons the names of
William and Boso, this is little doubt that his wife was the daughter of
William the Pious, son-in-law of king Boso.
Adele, wife of Walter of Vexin was the granddaughter, not the daughter,
of Foulques I d’Anjou.
For the remains, there are a lot of mistakes. Most of the dates are
fabulous. E.g., Foulques I is not born in 888 because he is already
adult in 886, Gerberge’s death was not after 952 but before 952, Anna
was born c. 889, not 887, Louis III, c. 880, not c. 888, Adelaide
d’Anjou, c. 945, not 942, and so, and so. Many names are misunderstood,
e.g. Toscanda for Tescenda, Tzautzina for Zautzina, Rotbaude for Rotbald
or Roubaud, Budwine, for Bivin or Bovo, or inconsistent : Werner de
Loches but Garnier de Troyes (this the same name, not the same man),
William le Pieux (Guillaume le Pieux or William the Pious), Louis III
Beronides (what is Beronides ?).
CS