Ahnentafel: Reinhard Friedrich von Bettendorff (1589-1648)

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

Dear all,

Following on from my comment about the posting of ahnentafels and similar sorts of material as a means of generating discussion, here's a sample. This pedigree is very much a sketch and has been chucked together from the eighteenth-century compilations of Humbracht and Biedermann - please do tear it apart and I'd particularly interested, if the line holds, in any suggestions as to where I might find more on the Massenbach and Schellenberg families.

All the best,
Kelsey

1. Reinhard Friedrich von Bettendorff, 1589-1648, oo (1) 1616 to Anna Dorothea von Helmstatt, (2) 1629 to Anna Amalia Gansen von Otzberg, and (3) 1637 to Anna Catherine von Feilitsch (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLIX B; Humbracht, tab. 153).

2. Johann Philipp von Bettendorff zu Gauangelloch, 1566-1606, oo 1588 to
3. Amalia von Gemmingen, 1568-1641 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXXVII, CCLIX B).

4. Friedrich von Bettendorff, 1524-1580, oo 1562 to
5. Sibylla von Venningen, + 1609 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLIX B).
6. Reinhard von Gemmingen, 1532-1598, oo 1561 to
7. Helena von Massenbach, + 1601 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tabula LXXXVII).

8. Wolff von Bettendorff, 1490-1555, Churpfälizischer Amtmann in Utzberg, oo to
9. Margaretha Bracken von Klingen, + 1555 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLVI; Humbracht, tab. 152; http://www.lagis-hessen.de/de/subjects/idrec/sn/gdm/id/72).
(N.B. for Wolff’s funeral monument at Groß-Umstadt see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Stadtkirche-umstadt_epitaph-w-v-bettendorf.jpg).
10. Ludwig von Venningen, + 1539, oo 1517 to
11. Agnes Nothhaft von Hohenberg, + 1545 (Humbracht, tabula 143).
12. Eberhard von Gemmingen zu der Bürg und Dreßklingen, 1500-1572, oo 1520 to
13. Barbara Wolffskeel von Veßburg, + 1545 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXIX).
14. Wilhelm von Massenbach, oo to
15. Agatha von Schellenberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tabula LXXXVII).

16. Philipp von Bettendorff der Aeltere, fl. 1446, oo to
17. Elisabetha Lemlin von Horchheim, fl. 1501 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLV).
18. Konrad Bracken von Klingen, oo to
19. Maria von Cronberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLVI).
20. Jörg von Venningen, + 1503, oo 1479 to
21. Catharina von Helmstatt (Humbracht, tab. 143).
22. Werner Notthaft von Hohenberg, oo to
23. Anna von Sternfels (Humbracht, tab. 143).
24. Eberhard von Gemmingen zu der Bürg und Dreßklingen, 1422-1501, oo 1492 [sic!] to
25. Magdalena von Adelsheim, + 1516 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXIX).
26. Johann Wolffskeel von Veßburg, oo to
27. Anna von Gemmingen (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXIX).
28. -------------- von Massenbach
29.
30. ------------- von Schellenberg
31.

Sources

Biedermann, Johann Gottfried. Geschlechts-Register Der Reichs-Frey unmittelbaren Ritterschaft Landes zu Francken, Löblichen Orts Ottenwald (Kulmbach, 1751).

Humbracht, Johann Maximilian. Die höchste Zierde Teutch-Landes, und Vortrefflichkeit des Teutschen Adels (Frankfurt, 1707).

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

For what it's worth, I've just found the trente-deux quartiers of Reinhard Friedrich given in Gabriel Bucelin's _Germania_ (Augsburg, 1655-1699), ii. table 82. They largely, but not entirely, agree with what I posted earlier and below I've highlighted the differences in the fifth generation and transcribed Bucelin's account of the sixth generation (without any dates or further data, as was his habit).

All the best,
Kelsey

Bucelin makes Philipp von Bettendorff the elder's wife:

17. Noitburg von Westerstetten.

Makes Margaretha Brackin von Klingen daughter of:

18. Johann Brack, oo to
19. Margaretha von Frisenheim.

And identifies the missing nos. 28-31 as:

28. Berchtold von Massenbach, oo to
29. Magdalena von Gebusch.
30. Johann von Schellenberg, oo to
31. Beatrix von Neipperg.

His sixth generation is as follows:

32. Udalric von Bettendorff, oo to
33. Elisabeth von Nippenburg.
34. Wolfgang von Westerstetten, oo to
35. Otthilia von Rammingen or ---------- von Emmershofen.
36. ------- Brack von Klingen, oo to
37. ------- von Wittstate gennant [--]genbach (smudged on the page).
38. ------- von Frisenheim, oo to
39. ------- Kolbin von Warttenburg.
40. Eberhard von Venningen, oo to
41. Anna von Helmstatt.
42. Georg von Helmstatt, oo to
43. Catharina von Windeck.
44. Bernhard Nothafft von Hohenberg, oo to
45. Agnes von und zu Weiler.
46. Reinhard von Sternenfels, oo to
47. Anna von Nippenburg.
48. Eberhard von Gemmingen, oo to
49. Barbara von Neipperg.
50. Merchoz [sic?] von Adelsheim, oo to
51. Felicitas Lawingerin von Nagelspurg.
52. Philipp von Wolffskeel, oo to
53. Barbara Truchsess von Waldeck.
54. Bleicard von Gemmingen, oo to
55. Anna von Dallburg.
56. ------- von Massenbach, oo to
57. Margaretha von Aichterberg.
58. ------- von Gebusch zu Oderam, oo to
59. ------- von Windikundt.
60. Heinrich von Schellenberg, oo to
61. Ursula Beffererin von Neudeck.
62. Eberhard von Neipperg, oo to
63. Agatha von Massenbach.

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

In terms of no. 17, Biedermann states that Philipp der Aeltere married twice, (1) to Elisabeth Lemlin von Horchheim and (2) to Noppurga von Westerstetten. I can't seem to locate an image of it, but Wikipedia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bettendorff_(Adelsgeschlecht) ) claims that Elisabeth's 1478 funeral monument is preserved in the church at Gauangelloch. Assuming the date can be verified, it seems pretty clear that Wolff von Bettendorff (1490-1555) would be a son by Philipp's second, Westerstetten, wife.

All the best,
Kelsey

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

And to add to that, no. 35 appears as "Anna Vx. Wolfg. de Westerstetten" and daughter of (no. 70) Anton von Emmershofen (+ 1480) by his wife (no. 71) Barbara von Sindringen at Bucelin, _Germania_, ii. sig. G3r. Bucelin takes the Emmershofen pedigree back to a Friedrich von Emmershofen zu Trochtelsingen who seems to have lived around 1300 and allegedly married a "Comitissa de Fayngen". Any thoughts as to who this countess might be?

All the best,
Kelsey

[Chris Pitt Lewis]

I think it is Trochtelfingen not Trochtelsingen. There is something
about the family at:
https://www.stolch-trochtelfingen.de/trochtel.html

This page refers to a 16th century "Chronik der Familie von Emershofen".
There is a scan of a modern edition of this at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AEmershofen_chronik_text.pdf&page=1

which calls her "graffin von Fainingen" (page 14).

Chris Pitt Lewis

On 17/02/2017 15:49, Kelsey Jackson Williams wrote:
> And to add to that, no. 35 appears as "Anna Vx. Wolfg. de Westerstetten"
> and daughter of (no. 70) Anton von Emmershofen (+ 1480) by his wife
(no. 71)
> Barbara von Sindringen at Bucelin, _Germania_, ii. sig. G3r. Bucelin
> takes the Emmershofen pedigree back to a Friedrich von Emmershofen zu
> Trochtelsingen who seems to have lived around 1300 and allegedly married
> a "Comitissa de Fayngen". Any thoughts as to who this countess might be?
>
> All the best,
> Kelsey
>

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[Henry Soszynski]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 04:42:44 -0800 (PST), Kelsey Jackson Williams
<kelsey.jack...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>Dear all,
>
>Following on from my comment about the posting of ahnentafels and similar sorts of material as a means of generating discussion, here's a sample. This pedigree is very much a sketch and has been chucked together from the eighteenth-century compilations of Humbracht and Biedermann - please do tear it apart and I'd particularly interested, if the line holds, in any suggestions as to where I might find more on the Massenbach and Schellenberg families.
>
>All the best,
>Kelsey
>
>1. Reinhard Friedrich von Bettendorff, 1589-1648, oo (1) 1616 to Anna Dorothea von Helmstatt, (2) 1629 to Anna Amalia Gansen von Otzberg, and (3) 1637 to Anna Catherine von Feilitsch (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLIX B; Humbracht, tab. 153).
>
>2. Johann Philipp von Bettendorff zu Gauangelloch, 1566-1606, oo 1588 to
>3. Amalia von Gemmingen, 1568-1641 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXXVII, CCLIX B).
>
>4. Friedrich von Bettendorff, 1524-1580, oo 1562 to
>5. Sibylla von Venningen, + 1609 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLIX B).

SNIP

>
>Sources
>
>Biedermann, Johann Gottfried. Geschlechts-Register Der Reichs-Frey unmittelbaren Ritterschaft Landes zu Francken, Löblichen Orts Ottenwald (Kulmbach, 1751).
>
>Humbracht, Johann Maximilian. Die höchste Zierde Teutch-Landes, und Vortrefflichkeit des Teutschen Adels (Frankfurt, 1707).

I have Johann Philipp von Bettendorf zu Gauangelloch (above) as the
son of his father's first? wife (Lucia Landschad von Steinach, married
1562) is this incorrect? Sibylla von Venningen was the product of a
marriage made in 1517, so the chronology is a bit long though not
improbable.
All internet sources.
Cheers,
Henry Soszynski

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

Dear Henry,

If Johann Philipp was born in 1566 (as Biedermann says) then he must have been a child of Sibylla von Venningen. Lucia Landschad von Steinach died 11 March 1554 and there's a good commentary on her fragmentary tomb at Groß-Umstadt here:

http://www.inschriften.net/stadt-darmstadt-und-landkreise-darmstadt-dieburg-und-gross-gerau/inschrift/nr/di049-0197.html#content

In addition, Biedermann (_Ottenwald_, tab. CCLIX B) states that Friedrich married Sibylla von Venningen in 1562, so this seems, at least on the surface, to be a pretty solid identification. In terms of chronology, I don't think the 1517 marriage date of Sibylla's parents need necessarily be an issue. Her father died in 1539 and she was the twelfth of thirteen children, so a birth date of, say, the mid- to late-1530s is entirely plausible and would then make her about thirty at the birth of Johann Philipp. What do you think?

All the best,
Kelsey

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

Dear Chris,

Thanks for this and you're quite right about Trochtelfingen - I was quickly transcribing eighteenth-century text and mistook the 'f' for a long 's'. The _Emershofen Chronik_ is an excellent find and looks like it will reward quite a lot of further study. Regarding the countess specifically, though, I think she must have been a member of the family of the Counts of Vaihingen:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaihingen_(Adelsgeschlecht)

I'd need to come up with a more precise set of dates for Friedrich von Emershofen before it would be remotely worth attempting to locate her within the Vaihingen pedigree, but just as a guess she might have been a daughter of Count Konrad II? Maybe Count Konrad III? There's a pedigree of the family in ES XII, but I've not yet had the chance to look at it.

All the best,
Kelsey

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

And here's an attempt to double-check and improve on the sixth generation. If anyone can point out useful sources for nos. 36-37 and 58-59, I'd be very grateful.

All the best,
Kelsey

32. Ulrich von Bettendorff, fl. 1451, oo to
33. Elisabeth von Nippenburg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CCLV).

34. Wolfgang von Westerstetten, oo to

35. Anna von Emershofen (Bucelin, ii. sig. G3r).
36. ---------- Brack von Klingen, oo to
37. ---------- von Wittstat (Bucelin, ii. tab. 82).
38. Konrad von Friesenheim, oo to
39. ---------- Kolb von Wartenberg (Humbracht, tab. 203).
40. Eberhard von Venningen zu Hilßbach, + 1489, oo to
41. Anna von Helmstatt or von Tottenheim (Humbracht, tab. 143).
42. Jörg von Helmstatt, oo to
43. Catharina von Windeck (Humbracht, tab. 143).
44. Bernhard Nothaft von Hohenberg, fl. 1436, to
45. Agnes von Weiler (Biedermann, Ottenwald, CCXXXI).
46. Reinhard von Sternenfels, + 1480, oo to
47. Anna von Nippenburg (Bucelin, ii. sig. Yv).
48. Eberhard von Gemmingen zu der Bürg, + 1480, oo to
49. Barbara von Neipperg, + 1486 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXVII).
50. Götz von Adelsheim zu Pfädelbach, Stettenfels, und Gruppenbach, + 1485, oo to
51. Felicitas Lauingen von Nagelsberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CLXXXVI).
52. Philipp Wolffskeel von Veßburg, oo to
53. Barbara Truchseß von Waldeck (Bucelin, ii. tab. 82).
54. Schweickhard von und zu Gemmingen, + 1515, oo to
55. Anna Cämmerer von Worms genannt von Dalberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXV).
56. Berthold von Massenbach, fl. 1480 oo to
57. Margaretha von Richtenberg (Massenbach, 23, 25).

58. ------- von Gebusch zu Oderam, oo to

59. ------- von Windikeim or Windikund (Massenbach, 23).

60. Heinrich von Schellenberg, oo to

61. Ursula Besser von Neideck (Massenbach, 23).

62. Eberhard von Neipperg, oo to

63. Agatha von Massenbach (Massenbach, 23).

Sources

Biedermann, Johann Gottfried. Geschlechts-Register Der Reichs-Frey unmittelbaren Ritterschaft Landes zu Francken, Löblichen Orts Ottenwald (Kulmbach, 1751).

Bucelin, Gabriel. Germania topo-chrono-stemmatographica, sacra et profana, 4 vols. (Augsburg, 1655-1699).

Humbracht, Johann Maximilian. Die höchste Zierde Teutch-Landes, und Vortrefflichkeit des Teutschen Adels (Frankfurt, 1707).

von Massenbach, Hermann. Geschichte der reichsunmittelbaren Herren und des kurpfälzischen Lehens von Massenbach, 1140-1806 (Stuttgart, 1891).

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

I'm now working on this pedigree in sections to prevent it becoming completely unwieldy. Here are the seventh and eighth generations for the Gemmingen quarter of Reinhard Friedrich von Bettendorff's ancestry. As you can see, I've not yet found any reliable sources with which to reconstruct the families of Lauingen von Nagelsberg, Wolffskeel von Veßburg, or Truchseß von Waldeck.

All the best,
Kelsey

96. Eberhard von Gemmingen, + 1420, oo to
97. Elisabetha von Zwingenberg, + 1455 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXVII).
98. Eberhard von Neipperg, + after 1448, oo to
99. Magdalena von Mentzingen (ES, v. 74).
100. Seifolph von Adelsheim zu Pfädelbach, Stettenfels, und Gruppenbach, fl. 1449-1452, oo to
101. Reiza von Pfädelbach, fl. 1419 (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CLXXXVI).
102. ---------- Lauingen von Nagelsberg.
103.
104. ---------- Wolffskeel von Veßburg
105.
106. ---------- Truchseß von Waldeck.
107.
108. Hans von Gemmingen der Reiche zu Gemmingen und Fürfeld, J.U.D., Amtmann zu Neustaft, 1394-1490, oo to
109. Catharina Landschad von Steinach (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXV).
110. Wolff Cämmerer von Worms gennant Dalberg, 1426-1476, Hofmarschall to Elector Friedrich I (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_II.), oo to
111. Gertrud Greiffenclau von Volrads, + 1502 (ES, xi. 55).

192. Gerhard von Gemmingen der Alte, + 1402, oo to
193. Anna von Liebenstein (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXVII).
194. Johannis von Zwingenberg, oo to
195. Elisabetha Rüdt von Collenberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXXVII).
196. Eberhard von Neipperg, oo to
197. ------------ von Bettendorff (ES, v. 73).
198. Eberhard von Mentzingen, + after 1426, oo to
199. Else von Stein (Möller, iii. 129).
200. Beringer von und zu Adelsheim der Alte, fl. 1396-1426, oo to
201. Elisabeth von Ebersberg gennant Weyers (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CLXXXVI).
202. Hans von Pfädelbach, oo to
203. Reiza von Alzberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. CLXXXVI).
204. ---------- Lauingen von Nagelsberg.
205.
206.
207.
208. ----------- Wolffskeel von Veßburg.
209.
210.
211.
212. ---------- Truchseß von Waldeck.
213.
214.
215.
216. Diether von Gemmingen, + 1414, oo to
217. Elisabetha von Franckenstein (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LIII).
218. Dietrich Landschad von Steinach, oo to
219. Catharina Cämmerer von Worms gennant Dalberg (Biedermann, Ottenwald, tab. LXV).
220. Johann Cämmerer von Worms genannt Dalberg, + 1431, oo to
221. Anna von Helmstatt, + 1466 (ES, xi. 55).
222. Friedrich Greiffenclau von Volrads, 1401-1462, pilgrim to Jerusalem and subsequently monk near Dubrovnik (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_von_Greiffenclau), oo to
223. Alheid von Langenau, + after 1439 (ES, xi. 46).

[Henry Soszynski]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:26:17 -0800 (PST), Kelsey Jackson Williams
<kelsey.jack...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>Dear Henry,
>
>If Johann Philipp was born in 1566 (as Biedermann says) then he must have been a child of Sibylla von Venningen. Lucia Landschad von Steinach died 11 March 1554 and there's a good commentary on her fragmentary tomb at Groß-Umstadt here:
>
>http://www.inschriften.net/stadt-darmstadt-und-landkreise-darmstadt-dieburg-und-gross-gerau/inschrift/nr/di049-0197.html#content
>
>In addition, Biedermann (_Ottenwald_, tab. CCLIX B) states that Friedrich married Sibylla von Venningen in 1562, so this seems, at least on the surface, to be a pretty solid identification. In terms of chronology, I don't think the 1517 marriage date of Sibylla's parents need necessarily be an issue. Her father died in 1539 and she was the twelfth of thirteen children, so a birth date of, say, the mid- to late-1530s is entirely plausible and would then make her about thirty at the birth of Johann Philipp. What do you think?
>
>All the best,
>Kelsey
>

Dear Kelsey,
Thank you for confirming the parentage. Knowing
the dates now, the 1517 marriage date is no longer an issue. Sibylla
could be born anywhere between 1530 to 1539, so an age of thirty at
her sons birth is likely.

Cheers,
Henry Soszynski

[Henry Soszynski]

Dear Kelsey,
Have you tried "Die Hoheit des Teutschen
Reichs-Adels"
see
http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/fs1/object/display/bsb10328146_00005.html
OR
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_f-A-AAAAcAAJ (download)
or "Geschlechts-Register Der Reichs Frey unmittelbaren Ritterschafft
Landes" see http://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/8215/15/
OR https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_jiZRAAAAcAAJ
(download)
Please note, that I haven't seen these sources, so I have no idea what
they exactly present.

Hope this helps,
Cheers,
Henry Soszynski

[Kelsey Jackson Williams]

Dear Henry,

Thanks for this. I've actually had occasion to use both before. Damian Harttard von und zu Hattstein's _Die Hoheit des Teutschen Reichs Adels_ (Bamberg, 1751) is a three-volume collection of seize-quartiers organised by agnatic family group so that there is one set of seize-quartiers per each member / generation of a family. I've worked with it pretty extensively, most recently in examining the Freiherren von Stein zu Jettingen, and my overall impression is that the quality of Hattstein's scholarship is very high. The vast majority of the material is post-1500, though, and he concentrates mostly on the South German lower nobility (generally but not, I think, exclusively Reichsunmittelbarkeit). You can find links to the set here:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Die_Hoheit_des_Teutschen_Reichs-Adels_(Hattstein)

The other item you linked to is one volume of Johann Gottfried Biedermann's massive study of Franconian knightly families. You can find links to all of the volumes here:

https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Johann_Gottfried_Biedermann

Biedermann is pretty solid for post-1500 and in some cases earlier, but I've also seen suggestions that he relied upon questionable (probably fabricated) pedigrees for some of his medieval work, so I'd be inclined to take that with a certain grain of salt.

All the best,
Kelsey