DINAN
Laurent & Yoshiko OHIER
from the origins (Dinan, Côtes d'Armor, Brittany). You are welcome to
complete, correct, or debate about the likeliness of what follows.
PS: sorry for the english used, since I speak better french (or Breton)...
1. Haimon Ier, comte in Domnonee (north Brittany). d. bef 1055. He married
Roianteline, a possible sister, or niece, of Wicohen, archbishop of Dol.
This Wicohen is sometimes said to be a brother of Juhel Berenger, comte of
Rennes. Roianteline and Haimon Ier inherited from Wicohen their possession
in Dinan and surroundings. Their children were:
1.1 Haimon II, vicomte of Dol and Dinan
1.2 Josselin, vicomte de Dinan, married abt 1047 Orgwen. Some times ago, I
read on this list that Josselin (called strangely Geoffroy Ier) was the
son of Haimon II. But his name is definitely Josselin, or Gauscelin
(Costelinus) and is mentionned on a charte (1040) concerning Berthe, widow
of Alain III of Brittany, giving the entire paroisse of Plougasnou to the
Saint-Georges abbey in Rennes.
1.3 Junkeneus, archbishop of Dol, founder of Combourg.
1.4 Rivallon "Capra Canuta", seigneur of Dol and Combourg. he married
Arembourge du Puiset. He is the ancestor of the Dol lineage:
1.4.1 Guillaume, abbot of Saint-Florent
1.4.2 Jean, seigneur of Dol
1.4.2.1 Rivallon, sr of Dol
1.4.2.1.1 Gesdouin, sr of Dol, who married Noga.
1.4.2.1.1.1 Noga, married Conan Ier de Penthievre
1.4.2.1.1.2 Jean, seigneur of Dol
1.4.2.1.1.3 Jean de Dol, married Raoul II de Fougeres, son
of Henri de Fougeres and Olive de Penthievre.
1.5 Innogwen
1.6 Hodierne, abbess of Saint-Georges de Rennes
Haimon Ier also had an illegitimate son:
1.7 Salaun (Salomon), seigneur du Guarplic in Saint-Coulomb (near
Saint-Malo). This last son is supposed (but is this really reliable ??) to
be the ancestor of the "du Guesclin" family.
Josselin de Dinan and Orgwen had at least 2 sons:
1.2.1 Olivier Ier, vicomte of Dinan, married Ganna. he was at Hastings in 1066
1.2.2 Bertrand, seigneur of Jugon. He also was at Hastings in 1066. He is
the father of:
1.2.2.1 Olivier
1.2.2.1.1 Geoffroy Seigneur of Jugon. b bef 1074
Olivier Ier and Ganna had at least 3 sons:
1.2.1.1 Geoffroy Ier, vicomte of Dinan, d. 1123, married Ozio "Radegonde
Orieldis".
1.2.1.2 Rivallon "Le Roux", who went on crusade in 1115. He is the
ancestor of the Dinan-Lanvallay and Dinan-Coetquen lineages, but I have no
information on these; any information on the Lanvallay and Coetquen is
welcome.
1.2.1.3 Gervais
Geoffroy and Ozio had:
1.2.1.1.1 Olivier II, d. 1155, Vicomte of Dinan-nord (1123), m. 1096
Agnoree de Penthievre, daughter of Etienne de Penthievre and Havoise de
Guingamp. They are said to have at least 8 sons, but I know only 2 of
them. They are the ancestors of the Dinan-nord lineage (see A below)
1.2.1.1.2 Alain Ier, d. 1157, vicomte of Dinan-Becherel. Whether he or his
brother is the husband of Agnoree de Penthievre is still in debate. But I
have the preference for Olivier. He is the ancestor of the Dinan-Becherel
lineage (see B below)
1.2.1.1.3 Guillaume l'Abbe
1.2.1.1.4 Roland
1.2.1.1.5 Josselin, d. 1166, lord of Ludlow. He is th father of Sybille,
d.1212, wife of Hugh de Plugenet, and of Havoise, wife of Fulke FitzWarin
A. Dinan-nord
A.1 Geoffroy II, b. 1131, d. 1167, vicomte of Dinan-nord, m. Muriel de
Poudouvre; they are said to have 6 children, but I know only 2 of them.
A.2 Olivier de Dinan, ancestor of the "Dinham" family in England. I don't
know very well this lineage but it can go like this:
Olivier-->Geoffroy-->Olivier (d.1221)-->Geoffrey (d.1258)--> Oliver
(1234-1299), m. Isabel de Vere--> Josce (1275-1301)--> John (1295-1332)-->
John (1318-1383)--> John (1359-1428)--> John (1406-1458)--> John, lord
Dinham (1443-1501), d.s.p
A.1.1 Olivier III, b. 1165, d. 1198, vicomte of Dinan-nord (1174), d.s.p
A.1.2 Roland Ier, d. 1266, seigneur of Montafilant, m. Agnes de Corron.
They are the origin of the "Dinan-Montafilant" family
A.1.2.1 Raoul, vicomte of la Belliere, ancestor of the "La Belliere" and
"Poudouvre" lineages, (no informations...)
A.1.2.2 Geoffroy III, d. bef. 1266
A.1.2.2.1 Roland II, d. 1306, m. Anne de Leon, daughter of Herve de Leon
and Marguerite
A.1.2.2.2 Alice, m. Guillaume du Guesclin, seigneur of Broon
A.1.2.2.1.1 Jean
A.1.2.2.1.2 Geoffroy IV, d.1312, m. 1287 Jeanne d'Avaugour, d. 1299,
daughter of Alain II d'Avaugour and Clemence de Beaufort
A.1.2.2.1.2.1 Roland III, d.1349, m. 1316, Thomasse de Chateaubriand
A.1.2.2.1.2.2 Henri, councellor of Jeanne "la Boiteuse", duchess of Brittany
A.1.2.2.1.2.3 Marie, m. 1315, Jean de Beaumanoir
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.1 Geoffroy, b. 1320, d. 1390 in Carthage (Tunisia)
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.2 Louis, seigneur of Limoelan, m. Jeanne Rousselot, daughter
of Jean de Limoelan
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3 Roland IV, d. 1364, m. Jeane de Craon
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.4 Isabelle, m. Savary de Vivonne
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.2.1 Roland, seigneur of Limoelan, m. Clemence Carbonel.
Ancestor of the "Limoelan" lineage (no informations)
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.2.2 Thomine, m. Etienne Goyon, seigneur of Launay-Goyon
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1 Charles de Dinan-Montafilant, d. 1418, m. a) Jeanne
d'Ancenis (no posterity), b) Constance de Coetlan (no p.), c) Jeanne de
Beaumanoir, daughter of Jean de B. and Marguerite de Rohan, d) Jeanne
Raguenel, d. 1448 (no p.), fille de jean Raguenel, vicomte of La Belliere
(a descent of A.1.2.1), and Jeanne Chuppin. All the children are from the
third mariage.
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.2 Jeanne, m. Bertrand de Goyon-Matignon
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.1c Thomine, m. Jean de la Haye
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.2c Henri, d. 1403, seigneur of La Hardouinaye and
Beaumanoir, d.s.p
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.3c Roland V, d. 1419, seigneur of Beaumanoir, m. Marie
du Perrier, daughter of Jean du P. seigneur du Plessis-Balisson, and Olive
de Rouge, d.s.p
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.4c Robert, d. 1429, seigneur of Moncontour, m. Jeanne de
Chatillon, daughter of Jean, comte de Penthievre and Marguerite de
Clisson, d.s.p
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.5c Bertrand, d. 1444, marechal de France, m. a) (1426)
Marie de Surgeres, daughter of Jacques de S. and Marguerite de Vivonne, b)
(1434) Jeanne d'Harcourt, daughter of Jean d'H. and Marie d'Alençon, d.s.p
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.6c Jacques, d. 1444, seigneur of Beaumanoir and
Montafilant, m. (1429) Catherine de Rohan, daughter of Alain IX de R. and
Marguerite de Bretagne
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.7c Jeanne, m. a) Fulke Paynel, b) Guillaume de Graville
A.1.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.6c.1 Françoise de Dinan, b. 1436, d. 1499, m. a) Gilles
de Bretagne, b) Gui XIV de Laval, c) Jean de Proisy
B. Dinan-Becherel
B.1 Roland de Dinan-Becherel, d. 1185
B.2 Emme or Anne de Dinan-Becherel, m. Robert III de Vitre, son of Robert
II de Vitre and Emma de La Guerche
B.2.1 Alain II de Vitre, seigneur de Dinan-Becherel (1187), d. 1197.
Adopted by his uncle Roland (B.1)
B.2.1.1 Gervaise, m. a) Juhel de Mayenne, d. 1220 in Tunis, b) Geoffroy de
Rohan, d. 1222 (no p.), c) Richard Mareschal, earl of Pembroke
B.2.1.1.1a Isabelle, m. Dreux de Mello, sire of Loches, d. 1248, b) Lous,
comte of Sancerre, d.s.p
B.2.1.1.2a Jeanne, m. Pierre de Vendome, d.s.p
B.2.1.1.3a Marguerite de Mayenne, dame de Dinan-Becherel, m. Henri II de
Penthievre et Avaugour, d. 1281
Any comment is appreciated. Thank you.
Laurent OHIER
Brest, Bro-Leon, Breizh
Henry Sutliff
You requested additions or corrections to the postings on the Dinan and Vitre
families. I believe I can make an addition:
(Source:_ The Complete Peerage_ XI: 377-79 [Salisbury])
William FitzPatrick, (Earl Of Salisbury, Earl of Wiltshire), died 17 April 1196 was
married to Eleanor, daughter of Robert de Vitre by Emma, daughter of Alan de Dinan.
She was previously married to (1) William Paynel of Hambye (died 1184) (2) Gilbert
Crespin, Lord of Tillières (died on Crusade 1190). She married (4) Gilbert de
Malesmains. She died between 31 May 1232 and 12 August 1233 and was buried in the
Abbey of Mondaye near Bayeux.
The only child of William and Eleanor was Ela (or Isabel), Countess of Salisbury,
born about 1191 Amesbury, Wiltshire. This young heiress was given in marrieage by
King Richard I to his bastard brother William de Longespee, natural son of King
Henry II. Also see: I. J. Sanders, _English Baronies_, p. 112 [Chitterne,
Wiltshire].
Hope this helps.
Henry Sutliff
AJones9446
he thought that Joceas de Dinan, father of Hawise and father in law of Fulk
Fitzwarin, was a brother of Alain and Olivier II. Is this generally accepted?
Alan Jones
Todd A. Farmerie
I have seen this three different places, and it is in Laurent OHIER's
account (which started this thread), where Joscelin is number 1.2.1.1.5.
taf
Laurent & Yoshiko OHIER
<ta...@po.cwru.edu> wrote:
To be a little mor precise on the Dinan's lineage, I show the references I used:
-Mathurin Monier, in "Dinan mille ans d'histoire", Saint-Brieuc, 1968
-André Chédeville, Middle-age history professor at the "Universite de
Haute-Bretagne de Rennes II", in "Dinan au temps des seigneurs, des
origines a 1283"
-admiral Jean Metayer, in "Dynasties des seigneurs de Dinan
-Jean-Michel Dunoyer de Segonzac, in "Une grande maison chevaleresque: les
Dinan-Montafilant"
These last three persons based their studies on mainly 4 sources:
A-Mathurin Monier (see higher)
B-René Kerviler, in "Bio-bibliographie bretonne", Rennes, 1904
C-Comtesse de la Motte-Rouge, in "Les Dinan et leurs juveigneurs", Nantes, 1892
D-Mathurin Le Giemble, in "La chronique de Dinan sous ses seigneurs
particuliers", 19th century, never published (a copy is at the Dinan
library)
Of course, these four sources do not completely show the same lineages;
some differences appears:
Roianteline, wife of Haimon Ier, is the daughter of Riwald, "echanson"
(cupbearer ?) of the Dol bishop Wicohen, according to D-, or she is a
sister or a niece of Wicohen, for B- and C-
D- gives Alain, Geoffroy II ,Olivier III, Roland and Raoul as sons of
Olivier II and Agnoree de Penthievre; Olivier III is father of Geoffroy
III, who is father of Olivier, ancestor of the Dinham
Olivier II x Agnoree de Penthievre
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Alain Geoffroy II Olivier III Roland Raoul
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The Dinhams
A-, B- and C- gives Olivier II and Roland Ier as sons of Geoffroy II,
himself son of Olivier II. Roland Ier is then father of Raoul de la
Belliere, and of Geoffroy III. Olivier III dies without posterity. A son
of Olivier II is the ancestor of the Dinham.
Olivier II
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Raoul, vcte of La Belliere Geoffroy III
But Mister Chedeville insists onthe fact that the Dinan History is still
under studied, there are still a lot of charts that hes not been read...
Laurent OHIER
Brest, Bro-Leon, Breizh
"The bretons say "Kenavo" to say goodbye, thus I tell you Kenavo (ar c'hentan)"