MORRES/MARISCO/DE MONTMORENCY
Adrian Channing
Following the discussion of the origin of Morris, I give here a
reproduction of the family tree compiled by a Hervey de Montmorency in
1922 which readers may find of interest. I also have a 12 page
monograph written by Hervey headed _A Memorandum in reply to a work by
J H Round, casting doubts upon the claim of the Morres Family to bear
the Name of de Montmorency_, and it would seem that J H Round was not
to impressed by Hervey's claims. Hervey stated that their name Morres
[e not i] derived from Marisco a name similar to that cited recently
in this discussion group, and not from a Welsh mother, ma Reece, as
someone so humourously implied. This family subsequently changed their
name from Morres back to de Montmorency and descents include the
Viscount Mountmorres (extinct 1951) and Viscounts Frankfort de
Montmorency (extinct 1917)
In the following the name Herve has an acute accent on the 2nd e.
Text in [square brackets] are my remarks. I have not tried to verify
any of this tree.
The Medieval part of the tree is as follows:-
Generation I
BOUCHARD I Seigneur de Montmorency
Generation II
BOUCHARD II Seigneur de Montmorency
Generation III
BOUCHARD II Seigneur de Montmorency
Generation IV
A) THIBAULT de Montmorency No issue
B) HERVE Seigneur de Montmorency, Bouteiller de France, died 1094 =
ALVERE DE MARISCO dau of Leofric, son of Hereward of Mercia. [Is this
Hereward the Wake?]
Generation V
Issue of Herve
A) BOUCHARD IV Seigneur de Montmorency, died 1124. A quo The
Constables of France
B) GEOFFROI DE MONTMORENCY de Marisco Lord of Thorney and Huntspill,
died 1118 = RICHILDE, dau of de Gautier of Douni; came to England with
Matilda of Flanders
C) Herve, Abbot of Ely; Bishop of Banger 1107; Bishop of Ely 1109;
died 30 Aug 1131.
Generation VI
Issue of Geoffroi:-
ROBERT de Marisco, living 1139; died in Lucca returning from Palestine
= LUCIA dau of Alexander d'Alneto. Epitaph in Bath Abbey.
Generation VII
JORDAN DE MARISCO, of Huntspill, living 1179; bur. in Bath Abbey =
Generation VIII
A) WILLIAM de Marisco, Lord of Huntspill; Peer of Realm 1229; bur. in
Bath. No issue
B) GEOFFREY de Marisco, died 1245 in France =(i) Eva de Bermingham
=(ii) A sister of Hugh de Lacy
Generation IX
Issue of Geoffrey by Eva
A) GEOFFREY, died 1272
B) WILLIAM de MARISCO, of Lundy Island, beheaded 1242
C) CHRISTIANA = Hugh Tyrrel
D) JORDAN de Marisco, living 1277 = A dau of Martin, Lord of Lateragh
E) ROBERT died 1293 = Christiana dau. of Walter Riddlesford; died 1285
(left CHRISTIANA de MARISCO)
Generation X
Issue of Jordan
A) WILLIAM de Marisco of Huntspill and Lateragh; i.p.m. 1284 =(i)
Jeanne =(ii) Christian dau. of Robert Burnell
B) Herve No issue
C) WILLIAM the younger m Matilda dau of Hugh Tyrrel by Christiana his
wife dau of Geoffrey (left Hugh died s.p. 1312)
Generation XI
Issue of William (the older) by Jeanne
JOHN de Marisco of Huntspill and Thorney died 1289 =(i)? =(ii) Olivia
Generation XII
Issue of John by =(i)
HERBERT de Marisco died 1336 m Sibilla de la Hay
Generation XIII
Issue of Herbert
A) Etienne de Marisco, a peer of England; di d s.p. 1374
B) William d ed 1347
Generation XII
Issue of John by =(ii) Olivia
JORDON =?
Generation XIII
Nicholas, left no son but 5 daughters.
Generation XI
Issue of William (the older) by Chrisiana
A) William died 1313
B) Fulco living 1304 = Eleanor dau of Philip O'Kennedy [text Duke of
Ormond, but Duke crossed out and replaced by Dynast] She built
Rathaileen
Generation XII
Issue of Fulco
William Fitz Fulco, Seigneur de Knockagh, 1335 [date of marriage or
death?] = Maud or Joan Butler
Generation XIII
Issue of William Fitz Fulco
A) Jordan Fitz William, died 1321 =? (left William FitzJordan de
Marisco, died s.p. 1374)
B) Silvestre, died 1340 = A lady of Lucca
Generation XIV
Issue of Silvestre
Herve de Marisco of Thorney, died 1405 m Owina O'Meagher of Templemore
Generation XV
Sir James Morres de Marisco Knt. Ban. 1424; born 1395; at Agincourt,
died 1469 = Lucia, dau of Lord Edmund Arundel; to John of Gaunt
through Oliver Carminow of Bodmin [I assume this is asserting
that Lucia was descended from John of Gaunt]
Generation XVI
Sir John Morres de Marisco of Knockagh, Lateragh, Thorney Bridge,
Bally Richard, Knt. Ban; 1460 at Wakefield = Anne dau of Sir Robert
Dillon of Proudston, co Meath [Ireland]
Generation XVII
A) Sir Oliver Morres de Marisco of Knockagh, died 1522 = Lady Ellice
dau of the Duke of Ormond and Ossory, Viceroy of Ireland She m2
Viscount Decies.
B) John Morres of Cloghbulyshane 1490-1562 = Anastasia Mulryan
C) Sir Anthony Morres [died?] 1535, near Dublin [no issue shown]
Generation XVIII
Issue of Sir Oliver
A) Oliver Oge, i.e. the younger 1513-95 aged 82 = Hanah dau of John
O'Connor of Mulrean
B)Edmund Morres of Waterford [Ireland] [no issue shown]
Generation XIX
Issue of Oliver Oge
A) Sir John Morres, Col in French Army, died 1621 = Honora dau of Rory
O'Moore of Leige; died 1601 [issue shown]
B) Geoffrey
Generation XVIII
Issue of John Morres by Anastasia
Redmond Morres, born 1552; died 31 Aug 1624 aged 72. Bought Knockagh
and Lateragh from his cousin Oliver. Will dated 23 March 1623 =
Elinor dau of William Cantwell of Lahagres. [issue shown]
Adrian Frankfort Channing (Surrey, UK) 10651...@Compuserv.com
William Addams Reitwiesner
Adrian Channing <10651...@COMPUSERVE.COM> wrote:
>Following the discussion of the origin of Morris, I give here a
>reproduction of the family tree compiled by a Hervey de Montmorency in
>1922 which readers may find of interest. I also have a 12 page
>monograph written by Hervey headed _A Memorandum in reply to a work by
>J H Round, casting doubts upon the claim of the Morres Family to bear
>the Name of de Montmorency_, and it would seem that J H Round was not
>to impressed by Hervey's claims. Hervey stated that their name Morres
>[e not i] derived from Marisco a name similar to that cited recently
>in this discussion group, and not from a Welsh mother, ma Reece, as
>someone so humourously implied. This family subsequently changed their
>name from Morres back to de Montmorency and descents include the
>Viscount Mountmorres (extinct 1951) and Viscounts Frankfort de
>Montmorency (extinct 1917)
Since the claim that the Morres family descends from the de
Montmorency family was fraudulent, they couldn't change their name
"back to" de Montmorency.
This name change, which was ratified by Royal Licenses in 1815 and
1816, was based on an invented pedigree whose inaccuracy was exposed
by Round, in his *Feudal England* (1895). The "Memorandum in Reply"
cited above attempts to re-establish the claimed descent, but (since
the descent is based on imaginary connections and misreading and
misunderstanding documents) fails. See the second edition of
Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol. IX, Appendix I (pp. 61-74).
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com