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David Heiden
Jan 5, 2022, 11:21:54 AM1/5/22
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I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham, 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need source documents if she is the daughter. She is my potential link to Charlemagne through the Drury Family. Any help is appreciated.
Darrell E. Larocque
Jan 5, 2022, 12:31:15 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 11:21:54 AM UTC-5, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham, 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need source documents if she is the daughter. She is my potential link to Charlemagne through the Drury Family. Any help is appreciated.
I can try to help you if you wish as I am a descendant of Sir William Drury and Elizabeth Sothill, and I have recently been working with a lot of Drury sources. Let me see what I can find!
> I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham, 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need source documents if she is the daughter. She is my potential link to Charlemagne through the Drury Family. Any help is appreciated.
Darrell E. Larocque
taf
Jan 5, 2022, 12:46:57 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham,
> 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury
> 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need
> source documents if she is the daughter.
The Norfolk visitation volume gives a Barsham pedigree with: "William Barsham of Colkirk = Anne, da. of Henry Yelverton of Rowgham". This matches the Yelverton pedigree, as far as it goes, which shows "Henry Yelverton of Rowgham in co. Norf. Esq. = Bridget, da. to Sir WIlliam Drewrye of Hawsted in Suffolk, knight." having a daughter Anne, for whom no further details than her name are provided. Unfortunately, the volume is based on a manuscript that combined three different visitations (1563, 1589, 1613) into unified pedigrees with no distinction among the source years, and further, the Barsham pedigree has dates as late as 1639, demonstrating later additions in the manuscript.
> I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham,
> 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury
> 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need
> source documents if she is the daughter.
The will of Henry Yelverton, dated 1 October of the 41st year of her majesty's reign, names two daughters, 'my daughter Staunton' and 'my daughter Sybsey' (Sybsay - their visitation pedigree does not name a Yelverton spouse, but there are a number of men shown with no wife named, any of whom could have married this Yelverton daughter).
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Darrell E. Larocque
Jan 5, 2022, 12:49:07 PM1/5/22
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https://archive.org/details/publicationsofha32harluoft/page/19/mode/1up?view=theater&q=barsham
David Heiden
Jan 5, 2022, 2:01:54 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 12:49:07 PM UTC-5, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 12:46:57 PM UTC-5, taf wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham,
> > > 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury
> > > 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need
> > > source documents if she is the daughter.
> > The Norfolk visitation volume gives a Barsham pedigree with: "William Barsham of Colkirk = Anne, da. of Henry Yelverton of Rowgham". This matches the Yelverton pedigree, as far as it goes, which shows "Henry Yelverton of Rowgham in co. Norf. Esq. = Bridget, da. to Sir WIlliam Drewrye of Hawsted in Suffolk, knight." having a daughter Anne, for whom no further details than her name are provided. Unfortunately, the volume is based on a manuscript that combined three different visitations (1563, 1589, 1613) into unified pedigrees with no distinction among the source years, and further, the Barsham pedigree has dates as late as 1639, demonstrating later additions in the manuscript.
> > thanks
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 12:46:57 PM UTC-5, taf wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham,
> > > 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury
> > > 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need
> > > source documents if she is the daughter.
> > The Norfolk visitation volume gives a Barsham pedigree with: "William Barsham of Colkirk = Anne, da. of Henry Yelverton of Rowgham". This matches the Yelverton pedigree, as far as it goes, which shows "Henry Yelverton of Rowgham in co. Norf. Esq. = Bridget, da. to Sir WIlliam Drewrye of Hawsted in Suffolk, knight." having a daughter Anne, for whom no further details than her name are provided. Unfortunately, the volume is based on a manuscript that combined three different visitations (1563, 1589, 1613) into unified pedigrees with no distinction among the source years, and further, the Barsham pedigree has dates as late as 1639, demonstrating later additions in the manuscript.
Will Johnson
Jan 5, 2022, 2:34:44 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 8:21:54 AM UTC-8, dahe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I’m in need of clarification regarding Anne Yelverton, 1577-1645, w/o William Barsham, 1558-1636, is she in fact the daughter of Henry Yelverton 1532-1601 & Bridget Drury 1534-1574? I find some claiming she is and others saying they’re not certain. I need source documents if she is the daughter. She is my potential link to Charlemagne through the Drury Family. Any help is appreciated.
What is your source for the 1577 birth year ?
Will Johnson
Jan 5, 2022, 2:39:08 PM1/5/22
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Please check out this
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Norfolk_in_the_Year_15/IP1QAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA219
Which is giving Bridget's Drury's birthdate
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Visitation_of_Norfolk_in_the_Year_15/IP1QAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA219
Which is giving Bridget's Drury's birthdate
Will Johnson
Jan 5, 2022, 2:43:51 PM1/5/22
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Reviewing the stated birthdates of her siblings, it *does* appear as if there might be a copyerror here.
Either by the author or the publisher.
That Bridget *could* fit into a birth date of 11 Sep 1534, so inbetween her siblings instead of fifteen years after the closest one.
Brad Verity
Jan 5, 2022, 8:24:42 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:49:07 AM UTC-8, Darrell E. Larocque wrote:
> Just got there, nice! Page 19 if you wish to view it:
>
> https://archive.org/details/publicationsofha32harluoft/page/19/mode/1up?view=theater&q=barsham
George A. Carthew, in his 'Hundred of Launditch and Deanery of Brisley' (1877) has a Barsham pedigree on p. 79, with some more detail than the Norfolk Visitation volume Darrell linked to above:
> Just got there, nice! Page 19 if you wish to view it:
>
> https://archive.org/details/publicationsofha32harluoft/page/19/mode/1up?view=theater&q=barsham
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Hundred_of_Launditch_and_Deanery_of/s05BAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=william+barsham+of+colkirk&pg=PA77&printsec=frontcover
According to Carthew, the William Barsham of Colkirk who married Anne Yelverton was the son of Thomas Barsham of Colkirk and Audrey Jennison (who married 2ndly, another Thomas Barsham, of Oxwick, first cousin to her first husband), and was grandson of Nicholas Barsham of Colwick.
Carthew abstracts the IPM of Nicholas Barsham of Colwick, who made his will 14 August 37 Henry VIII, and died the same day. The IPM was taken 26 Oct. 1549, when son and heir Thomas Barsham was age 17 years and more, so born by 1532. Per the Colkirk and Oxwick Parish Register, Nicholas Barsham was buried 15 August 1544.
Also per the parish register, Thomas Barsham and Audrey Barsham were married 25 June 1569. This was Audrey's second marriage to Thomas Barsham of Oxwick, meaning her first husband Thomas Barsham of Colwick (b. by 1532) was dead by 1569. Christopher Barsham, the third & youngest son of Audrey (Jennison) Barsham and her first husband Thomas Barsham of Colwick was baptized 9 February 1567/8. Audrey (Jennison) (Barsham) Barsham was buried 18 January 1571/2.
Per the same parish register, William Barsham, son of Thomas Barsham, was baptized 27 January 1557/8. This has to have been the William Barsham who married Anne Yelverton.
The will of William Barsham of Colkirk, dated 22 November 1630, proved 16 April 1636 [England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858], mentions Urith, daughter of Sir Augustine Palgrave, whom he intends to take to wife. This was Ursula Palgrave, baptized 3 March 1607/8 Barningham Norwood, Norfolk, married there 17 February 1630/1, William Barsham. She survived him, married 2ndly, Samuel Smith of Colkirk, and died 11 November 1680, buried at All Saints Church, Colkirk. See the pedigree on p. 18 of 'Palgrave Family Memorials' (1878):
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Palgrave_Family_Memorials/9NgKAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=william+barsham+of+colkirk&pg=PA11-IA22&printsec=frontcover
The William Barsham of Colwick (d. by 1636) who married as her first husband, Urith Palgrave above, was most likely the son of William Barsham and Anne Yelverton. I cannot locate any baptism, marriage or burial entries for Anne (Yelverton) Barsham, nor for any of the children she and William Barsham had, per the Barsham pedigree in the Visitation of Norfolk.
Administration of the estate of William Barsham of Colkirk was granted 1601. Perhaps this was the William Barsham (b. 1558) who married Anne Yelverton.
https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-of-colkirk-norfolk
Hopefully these dates will be of some help in further establishing the Barsham/Yelverton marriage.
Cheers, ----Brad
taf
Jan 5, 2022, 10:43:20 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 5:24:42 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> Administration of the estate of William Barsham of Colkirk was granted 1601. Perhaps this was the William Barsham (b. 1558) who married Anne Yelverton.
> https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-of-colkirk-norfolk
There is a Archdeaconry of Norfolk will for William Barcham of Colkirk "the eldest", dated 28 December, 39 Elizabeth I, and probated 28 January 1596 (if I am reading it right). Unfortunately it is pretty unhelpful, naming 'my wife' as heir and executrix.
> Administration of the estate of William Barsham of Colkirk was granted 1601. Perhaps this was the William Barsham (b. 1558) who married Anne Yelverton.
> https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-of-colkirk-norfolk
https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-senior-of-colkirk
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-69M7-W?i=443&cat=504379
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taf
Jan 5, 2022, 10:49:55 PM1/5/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:43:20 PM UTC-8, taf wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 5:24:42 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
>
> > Administration of the estate of William Barsham of Colkirk was granted 1601. Perhaps this was the William Barsham (b. 1558) who married Anne Yelverton.
> > https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-of-colkirk-norfolk
> There is a Archdeaconry of Norfolk will for William Barcham of Colkirk "the eldest", dated 28 December, 39 Elizabeth I, and probated 28 January 1596 (if I am
Oops - that should be Archdeaconry of Norwich.
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 5:24:42 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
>
> > Administration of the estate of William Barsham of Colkirk was granted 1601. Perhaps this was the William Barsham (b. 1558) who married Anne Yelverton.
> > https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-of-colkirk-norfolk
> There is a Archdeaconry of Norfolk will for William Barcham of Colkirk "the eldest", dated 28 December, 39 Elizabeth I, and probated 28 January 1596 (if I am
Note that if the relationship is correct, with Henry Yelverton naming 'my daughter Staunton' and 'my daughter Sybsey' in his will, and madam Staunton otherwise identified, there may well be a marriage out there between a widowed Anne (Yelverton) Barsham and a Sybsay.
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Brad Verity
Jan 6, 2022, 2:41:43 PM1/6/22
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On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:43:20 PM UTC-8, taf wrote:
> There is a Archdeaconry of Norfolk will for William Barcham of Colkirk "the eldest", dated 28 December, 39 Elizabeth I, and probated 28 January 1596 (if I am reading it right). Unfortunately it is pretty unhelpful, naming 'my wife' as heir and executrix.
> https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-senior-of-colkirk
> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-69M7-W?i=443&cat=504379
Thank you for this, Todd. Per the Colkirk and Oxwick Parish Register, William Barsham [can't make out the word following his name - could be 'the eldest'] was buried 4 January 1596/7. That would be the William Barsham of Colkirk whose will is above. In it he mentions his wife 'Andry/Audrey/Amy' - hard to make out the exact spelling of her name.
> https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-senior-of-colkirk
> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-69M7-W?i=443&cat=504379
Audrey (Jennison) (Barsham) Barsham (d. 1572) not only had an eldest son William Barsham of Colkirk (b. 1558 - who married Anne Yelverton), with her first husband Thomas Barsham of Colwick (by 1532-by 1569), but she had a youngest son, also named William Barsham, baptized 8 August 1571, with her second husband Thomas Barsham of Oxwick.
At one point there would have been at least three William Barshams living in the Colkirk/Oxwick parish: 1) William Barsham of Colwick (b. 1558) married to Anne Yelverton; 2) his younger half-brother William Barsham (b. 1571); and William Barsham of Colkirk (d. by 1636), son and heir of #1 & Anne Yelverton, who married Urith Palgrave (1608-1680). Thus the need to differentiate with "the eldest", "the younger", etc
I think I may have found the burial entry for Anne (Yelverton) Barsham - per the Colkirk & Oxwick Parish Register, Anne Barsham the wife of William Barsham, was buried 26 February 1593/4. I found that entry by reading the register page by page. The handwriting is very hard for me to make out, so take it with a grain of salt, but it does look like the name is "Mrs Anne Barsham the wife of William Barsham." If she died in 1594, it would explain why Henry Yelverton's 1601 will makes no mention of a daughter Barsham.
On 11 November 1594, William Barsham married Amy Monimente. So it was his second wife Amy whom William Barsham the eldest names in his will written 28 December 1596.
I do think we now have the burial entries for William Barsham of Colkirk and his first wife Anne (Yelverton) Barsham. I don't know why a marriage entry for the couple, or baptism entries for their children, do not appear in online index searches. I'm not the ideal person to comb through the photographed pages of a 16th-century parish register, but hopefully this will help others researching the Barsham/Yelverton marriage.
Cheers, -----Brad
Will Johnson
Jan 6, 2022, 3:16:00 PM1/6/22
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https://books.google.com/books?id=tXzGCJExJNEC&lpg=PA319&ots=6eGgVtPJTh&dq=%22urith%20smyth%22&pg=PA318#v=onepage&q=%22urith%20smyth%22&f=true
Familiae minorum gentium, Volume 37
By Joseph Hunter
Urith dau of Sir John Palgrave Bart
Familiae minorum gentium, Volume 37
By Joseph Hunter
Urith dau of Sir John Palgrave Bart
Will Johnson
Jan 6, 2022, 3:38:12 PM1/6/22
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This is also an example of the unusual name "Urith" persisting through generations.
Urith or Ursula /Smythe/
Third co-heiress of her father
married
Stephen /Offley/ of Norton Hall; esq; Sheriff co Derby 1716
he died 1 Oct 1727 "aged 56"
Her father was
Samuel /Smythe/ of Colkirk, co Norf; Knt
died 22 Jan 1699
bur Oxwick
HIS mother was this
Urith or Ursula /Palgrave/
died 11 Nov 1680 Colwick
bur Oxwick
Then her father was as we now see
Austin /Palgrave/
bap 5 Oct 1568 St George's Tombland, Norwich
and *his* mother was another
Urith /Saunders/
bur 27 Jul 1600 Northwood Barningham, co Norf
Urith or Ursula /Smythe/
Third co-heiress of her father
married
Stephen /Offley/ of Norton Hall; esq; Sheriff co Derby 1716
he died 1 Oct 1727 "aged 56"
Her father was
Samuel /Smythe/ of Colkirk, co Norf; Knt
died 22 Jan 1699
bur Oxwick
HIS mother was this
Urith or Ursula /Palgrave/
died 11 Nov 1680 Colwick
bur Oxwick
Then her father was as we now see
Austin /Palgrave/
bap 5 Oct 1568 St George's Tombland, Norwich
and *his* mother was another
Urith /Saunders/
bur 27 Jul 1600 Northwood Barningham, co Norf
taf
Jan 7, 2022, 9:34:06 AM1/7/22
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On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:41:43 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:43:20 PM UTC-8, taf wrote:
> > There is a Archdeaconry of Norfolk will for William Barcham of Colkirk "the eldest", dated 28 December, 39 Elizabeth I, and probated 28 January 1596 (if I am reading it right). Unfortunately it is pretty unhelpful, naming 'my wife' as heir and executrix.
> > https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-senior-of-colkirk
> > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-69M7-W?i=443&cat=504379
> Thank you for this, Todd. Per the Colkirk and Oxwick Parish Register, William Barsham [can't make out the word following his name - could be 'the eldest'] was buried 4 January 1596/7. That would be the William Barsham of Colkirk whose will is above. In it he mentions his wife 'Andry/Audrey/Amy' - hard to make out the exact spelling of her name.
>
I read it as 'Awdey'. (The 'w' matches that later in the line for 'wyffe'.)
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:43:20 PM UTC-8, taf wrote:
> > There is a Archdeaconry of Norfolk will for William Barcham of Colkirk "the eldest", dated 28 December, 39 Elizabeth I, and probated 28 January 1596 (if I am reading it right). Unfortunately it is pretty unhelpful, naming 'my wife' as heir and executrix.
> > https://nrocatalogue.norfolk.gov.uk/index.php/barsham-william-senior-of-colkirk
> > https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C398-69M7-W?i=443&cat=504379
> Thank you for this, Todd. Per the Colkirk and Oxwick Parish Register, William Barsham [can't make out the word following his name - could be 'the eldest'] was buried 4 January 1596/7. That would be the William Barsham of Colkirk whose will is above. In it he mentions his wife 'Andry/Audrey/Amy' - hard to make out the exact spelling of her name.
>
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