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Untangling the Trussells - Part 3
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John Watson
Mar 26, 2017, 4:46:42 AM3/26/17
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Trussell of Flore, Nuthurst and Peatling
1.2 Edmund Trussell
Nothing much is known about Edmund, second son of Sir Richard Trussell and Roese Pantulf. He was probably born about 1264. He seems to have held some position in Ireland. In 1311, his wife Alice was abducted and robbed at Wardley, Rutland and Stockerston (Stoke Faston), Leicestershire. [1] In February 1316, August 1318 and July 1320, his brother William son of Richard Trussell appointed Edmund as his attorney in Ireland. [2] Dugdale says that Edmund died in Ireland in 15 Edward II, 1322. [3]
Edmund and Alice had two sons, Sir William, and Sir Edmund who married Margery daughter of Walter de Oseville and died s.p. about 1349.
1.2.1 Sir William Trussell (c. 1285 – 1347)
William son of Edmund Trussell held land in Flore, and Gayton, Northamptonshire, Nuthurst, Warwickshire, and in Peatling Magna, Fleckney and Littlethorpe (Thorpe by Narborough) in Leicestershire. Whether he inherited these lands from his mother or was holding them through an advantageous marriage is unclear. He was probably born about 1285.
He first appears in records in June 1306, when he had protection going to Scotland. He also had protection, as William Trussell of Peatling, in September 1310. [4] In September 1314, he was returned to parliament as knight of the shire for Leicester. [5] He was appointed as sheriff of Warwick and Leicester from November 1314 to November 1316. [6] In October 1315, as William Trussell of Nuthurst, he was on a commission of oyer and terminer in Staffordshire. [7]
In November 1318, William son of Edmund Trussell, knight, received a pardon as an adherent of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster. [8] In On 28 February 1322, the sheriff of Leicester was ordered to pursue, arrest and cause to be kept safely in prison until further order, William Trussell, knight, Edmund his brother, and William son of William Trussell (his son?). [9] On 20 September 1322, the king ordered a writ of aid for Robert de Digby, appointed to arrest William Trussell and Edmund his brother. [10] On 10 March 1323, the sheriff of Northampton was ordered to take into the king's hand all the lands, goods, and chattels of William Trussell. [11] William apparently fled abroad and returned to England with Queen Isabella in December 1326. It is said that he was the person who was part of a delegation sent to Edward II to demand his abdication in January 1327. [12]
On 26 February 1327, he was appointed escheator south of Trent, but was removed from office on 13 December. [13] On 3 March 1327, commissions of oyer and terminer were ordered regarding the persons who had taken the goods of William Trussell at Flore, Peatling Magna, Fleckney and Littlethorpe. [14] In March 1327, he was part of a delegation sent to Rome to seek the canonization of Thomas of Lancaster. [15] In March 1328, he was going abroad on a diplomatic mission. [16] In June 1328, he was among the adherents of Henry, earl of Lancaster in their dispute with Roger Mortimer and his lands and goods were ordered to be seised into the king’s hand. [17] On 21 March 1330, William son of Edmund Trussell, knight, was pardoned after he submitted to the king in the parliament at Winchester. [18] In May 1330, he and his heirs had a grant of free warren in his demesne lands of Flore, Nuthurst, Peatling, Littlethorpe and Fleckney. [19] In May 1330, he was appointed to secure an alliance with the kings of Aragon, Portugal, and Majorca, [20] and in September 1330, as the king’s secretary, to arrange a marriage between Pedro, the infante of Aragon, and Edward III's sister, Eleanor, but this did not materialize. [21] In January 1331, he was again appointed escheator south of Trent, until July 1332. [22] In February 1333, he and his heirs were granted a weekly market and an annual fair at their manor of Flore. [23] In December 1335, he was again appointed as escheator south of Trent until May 1340. [24] In 1338, he was appointed as admiral of the fleet from the mouth of the Thames towards the west. [25] In February 1343, he was admiral of the fleet towards the North. [26] In September 1344, he was an envoy to the king of Aragon to seek a marriage between the king’s son and Joan, daughter of Edward III. [27] On 21 April 1347, he was said to be too weak and feeble to be able to render his accounts at the Exchequer. [28] He appears to have died shortly after this.
Sir William Trussell’s wife’s name is unknown. He appears to have had three sons, William, who was living in 1345 but predeceased his father, Theobald, and Edmund, a priest, canon of St. Paul’s, London.
1.2.1.1 Theobald Trussell (c. 1310 - 1368)
Theobald son and heir of Sir William Trussell was probably born about 1310. On 7 October 1330, Theobald son of William Trussell had permission to cross overseas from Southampton in the diplomatic mission of his father to Aragon. [29] In October 1333, Theobald, son of William Trussell, knight, of the diocese of Poitiers, had a papal indulgence to choose a confessor. [30] He became a retainer of Henry, duke of Lancaster and in June 1335, William Trussell junior and Theobald Trussell had protection going to Scotland with Henry of Lancaster. [31] He had protection going oversea in April 1337. [32] He was compensated £20 and 10 marks for horses lost on campaigns with Henry in the Low Countries in 1338 and Brittany in 1342. [33] In September 1339, he was a deputy for his father William as admiral of the fleet towards the West. [34] In March 1343, Theobald Trussell son of William Trussell the elder released to William Trussell, his father, all his right and claim in 2 messuages and 2 carucates of land in Solihull. [35] In November 1344, Theobald son of William Trussell of Flore, 'chivaler,' was pardoned for trespasses of vert and venison in Rockingham forest. [36] In April 1345, Ralph, son of Edmund de St. Maur, released all right for himself, and his heirs, in the manor of Egginton, Derbyshire, to William, son of William Trussell, of Flore, knight, and to Theobald Trussell, knight, and the heirs of Theobald. [37] In 1346-7, Theobald fought in the Crecy and Calais campaigns in the retinue of Henry of Lancaster. [38] In September 1347, after the death of his father, he was granted a moiety of the manor of Gayton and the advowson of the church. [39] In March 1352, he received a pardon for all felonies and trespasses done by him in England. [40] In July 1355, he received a pardon of all debts due at the Exchequer and for “for all oppressions and extortions, unlawful assemblies of men at arms, conspiracies, grievances and trespasses of vert and venison as well as all other trespasses, disseisins by force, whereof he has been convicted.” [41] He was knight of the shire for Northamptonshire in February 1365, May 1366, and May 1368. [42]
Theobald Trussell, by his mistress Katherine had a son named Alfred, born before 1349. He later married Katherine and had another son, John, born about 1349, who was his legitimate heir. He died shortly before 30 October 1368. [43]
Alfred Trussell:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/Trussell-sir-alfred-(or-avery)-1349
John Trussell:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/Trussell-sir-john-1349-1424
Regards,
John
[1] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 1: 1307-1313 (1894}, 426.
[2] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 2, 388; vol. 3, 205, 490.
[3] William Dugdale, The Antiquities of Warwickshire (1656), 537.
[4] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 440, 451.
[5] Francis Palgrave, ed., The Parliamentary Writs and Writs of Military Summons, vol. 2, Record Commission (1830), lxx.
[6] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 2, Edward II: 1307-1319 (1912), 220, 302.
[7] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 2: 1313-1317 (1898), 416.
[8] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 3: 1317-1321 (1908), 229.
[9] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 3, Edward II: 1319-1327 (1912), 102.
[10] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 4: 1321-1324 (1904), 205.
[11] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 3, Edward II: 1319-1327 (1912), 104.
[12] J. S. Roskell, The Commons and Their Speakers in English Parliaments, 1376-1523 (1965), 5-6.
[13] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 22, 73.
[14] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 75.
[15] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 26, 51.
[16] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 250.
[17] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 116.
[18] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 500, 516.
[19] Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 4, 1-14 Edward III: 1327-1341 (1912), 172.
[20] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 525.
[21] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 11.
[22] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 222, 317.
[23] Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 4, 1-14 Edward III: 1327-1341 (1912), 298.
[24] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 465. vol. 5, 181.
[25] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 5: 1339-1341 (1901), 288.
[26] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 15.
[27] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 465.
[28] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 6: 1346-1349 (1905), 256.
[29] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1333 (1898), 158.
[30] Calendar of Papal Registers Relating To Great Britain and Ireland, vol. 2: 1305-1342 (1895), 404.
[31] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 501.
[32] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 421.
[33] Nicholas A. Gribit, Henry of Lancaster's Expedition to Aquitaine, 1345-46 (2016), 329.
[34] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 5: 1339-1341 (1901), 262.
[35] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 104.
[36] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 6: 1343-1345 (1902, 378.
[37] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 12 (1891), 39.
[38] George Wrottesley, Crecy and Calais (1898), 131.
[39] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1345-1348 (1903), 458.
[40] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 9: 1350-1354 (1907), 244.
[41] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 10: 1354-1358 (1909), 260.
[42] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 12: 1364-1369 (1910), 168, 273, 480.
[43] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 7, Edward III: 1356-1368 (1923), 397.
1.2 Edmund Trussell
Nothing much is known about Edmund, second son of Sir Richard Trussell and Roese Pantulf. He was probably born about 1264. He seems to have held some position in Ireland. In 1311, his wife Alice was abducted and robbed at Wardley, Rutland and Stockerston (Stoke Faston), Leicestershire. [1] In February 1316, August 1318 and July 1320, his brother William son of Richard Trussell appointed Edmund as his attorney in Ireland. [2] Dugdale says that Edmund died in Ireland in 15 Edward II, 1322. [3]
Edmund and Alice had two sons, Sir William, and Sir Edmund who married Margery daughter of Walter de Oseville and died s.p. about 1349.
1.2.1 Sir William Trussell (c. 1285 – 1347)
William son of Edmund Trussell held land in Flore, and Gayton, Northamptonshire, Nuthurst, Warwickshire, and in Peatling Magna, Fleckney and Littlethorpe (Thorpe by Narborough) in Leicestershire. Whether he inherited these lands from his mother or was holding them through an advantageous marriage is unclear. He was probably born about 1285.
He first appears in records in June 1306, when he had protection going to Scotland. He also had protection, as William Trussell of Peatling, in September 1310. [4] In September 1314, he was returned to parliament as knight of the shire for Leicester. [5] He was appointed as sheriff of Warwick and Leicester from November 1314 to November 1316. [6] In October 1315, as William Trussell of Nuthurst, he was on a commission of oyer and terminer in Staffordshire. [7]
In November 1318, William son of Edmund Trussell, knight, received a pardon as an adherent of Thomas, Earl of Lancaster. [8] In On 28 February 1322, the sheriff of Leicester was ordered to pursue, arrest and cause to be kept safely in prison until further order, William Trussell, knight, Edmund his brother, and William son of William Trussell (his son?). [9] On 20 September 1322, the king ordered a writ of aid for Robert de Digby, appointed to arrest William Trussell and Edmund his brother. [10] On 10 March 1323, the sheriff of Northampton was ordered to take into the king's hand all the lands, goods, and chattels of William Trussell. [11] William apparently fled abroad and returned to England with Queen Isabella in December 1326. It is said that he was the person who was part of a delegation sent to Edward II to demand his abdication in January 1327. [12]
On 26 February 1327, he was appointed escheator south of Trent, but was removed from office on 13 December. [13] On 3 March 1327, commissions of oyer and terminer were ordered regarding the persons who had taken the goods of William Trussell at Flore, Peatling Magna, Fleckney and Littlethorpe. [14] In March 1327, he was part of a delegation sent to Rome to seek the canonization of Thomas of Lancaster. [15] In March 1328, he was going abroad on a diplomatic mission. [16] In June 1328, he was among the adherents of Henry, earl of Lancaster in their dispute with Roger Mortimer and his lands and goods were ordered to be seised into the king’s hand. [17] On 21 March 1330, William son of Edmund Trussell, knight, was pardoned after he submitted to the king in the parliament at Winchester. [18] In May 1330, he and his heirs had a grant of free warren in his demesne lands of Flore, Nuthurst, Peatling, Littlethorpe and Fleckney. [19] In May 1330, he was appointed to secure an alliance with the kings of Aragon, Portugal, and Majorca, [20] and in September 1330, as the king’s secretary, to arrange a marriage between Pedro, the infante of Aragon, and Edward III's sister, Eleanor, but this did not materialize. [21] In January 1331, he was again appointed escheator south of Trent, until July 1332. [22] In February 1333, he and his heirs were granted a weekly market and an annual fair at their manor of Flore. [23] In December 1335, he was again appointed as escheator south of Trent until May 1340. [24] In 1338, he was appointed as admiral of the fleet from the mouth of the Thames towards the west. [25] In February 1343, he was admiral of the fleet towards the North. [26] In September 1344, he was an envoy to the king of Aragon to seek a marriage between the king’s son and Joan, daughter of Edward III. [27] On 21 April 1347, he was said to be too weak and feeble to be able to render his accounts at the Exchequer. [28] He appears to have died shortly after this.
Sir William Trussell’s wife’s name is unknown. He appears to have had three sons, William, who was living in 1345 but predeceased his father, Theobald, and Edmund, a priest, canon of St. Paul’s, London.
1.2.1.1 Theobald Trussell (c. 1310 - 1368)
Theobald son and heir of Sir William Trussell was probably born about 1310. On 7 October 1330, Theobald son of William Trussell had permission to cross overseas from Southampton in the diplomatic mission of his father to Aragon. [29] In October 1333, Theobald, son of William Trussell, knight, of the diocese of Poitiers, had a papal indulgence to choose a confessor. [30] He became a retainer of Henry, duke of Lancaster and in June 1335, William Trussell junior and Theobald Trussell had protection going to Scotland with Henry of Lancaster. [31] He had protection going oversea in April 1337. [32] He was compensated £20 and 10 marks for horses lost on campaigns with Henry in the Low Countries in 1338 and Brittany in 1342. [33] In September 1339, he was a deputy for his father William as admiral of the fleet towards the West. [34] In March 1343, Theobald Trussell son of William Trussell the elder released to William Trussell, his father, all his right and claim in 2 messuages and 2 carucates of land in Solihull. [35] In November 1344, Theobald son of William Trussell of Flore, 'chivaler,' was pardoned for trespasses of vert and venison in Rockingham forest. [36] In April 1345, Ralph, son of Edmund de St. Maur, released all right for himself, and his heirs, in the manor of Egginton, Derbyshire, to William, son of William Trussell, of Flore, knight, and to Theobald Trussell, knight, and the heirs of Theobald. [37] In 1346-7, Theobald fought in the Crecy and Calais campaigns in the retinue of Henry of Lancaster. [38] In September 1347, after the death of his father, he was granted a moiety of the manor of Gayton and the advowson of the church. [39] In March 1352, he received a pardon for all felonies and trespasses done by him in England. [40] In July 1355, he received a pardon of all debts due at the Exchequer and for “for all oppressions and extortions, unlawful assemblies of men at arms, conspiracies, grievances and trespasses of vert and venison as well as all other trespasses, disseisins by force, whereof he has been convicted.” [41] He was knight of the shire for Northamptonshire in February 1365, May 1366, and May 1368. [42]
Theobald Trussell, by his mistress Katherine had a son named Alfred, born before 1349. He later married Katherine and had another son, John, born about 1349, who was his legitimate heir. He died shortly before 30 October 1368. [43]
Alfred Trussell:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/Trussell-sir-alfred-(or-avery)-1349
John Trussell:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/Trussell-sir-john-1349-1424
Regards,
John
[1] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 1: 1307-1313 (1894}, 426.
[2] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 2, 388; vol. 3, 205, 490.
[3] William Dugdale, The Antiquities of Warwickshire (1656), 537.
[4] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 440, 451.
[5] Francis Palgrave, ed., The Parliamentary Writs and Writs of Military Summons, vol. 2, Record Commission (1830), lxx.
[6] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 2, Edward II: 1307-1319 (1912), 220, 302.
[7] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 2: 1313-1317 (1898), 416.
[8] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 3: 1317-1321 (1908), 229.
[9] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 3, Edward II: 1319-1327 (1912), 102.
[10] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 4: 1321-1324 (1904), 205.
[11] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 3, Edward II: 1319-1327 (1912), 104.
[12] J. S. Roskell, The Commons and Their Speakers in English Parliaments, 1376-1523 (1965), 5-6.
[13] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 22, 73.
[14] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 75.
[15] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 26, 51.
[16] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 250.
[17] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 116.
[18] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 500, 516.
[19] Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 4, 1-14 Edward III: 1327-1341 (1912), 172.
[20] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 525.
[21] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 11.
[22] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 222, 317.
[23] Calendar of Charter Rolls, vol. 4, 1-14 Edward III: 1327-1341 (1912), 298.
[24] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 465. vol. 5, 181.
[25] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 5: 1339-1341 (1901), 288.
[26] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 15.
[27] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 465.
[28] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 6: 1346-1349 (1905), 256.
[29] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1333 (1898), 158.
[30] Calendar of Papal Registers Relating To Great Britain and Ireland, vol. 2: 1305-1342 (1895), 404.
[31] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 501.
[32] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 421.
[33] Nicholas A. Gribit, Henry of Lancaster's Expedition to Aquitaine, 1345-46 (2016), 329.
[34] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 5: 1339-1341 (1901), 262.
[35] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 104.
[36] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 6: 1343-1345 (1902, 378.
[37] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 12 (1891), 39.
[38] George Wrottesley, Crecy and Calais (1898), 131.
[39] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1345-1348 (1903), 458.
[40] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 9: 1350-1354 (1907), 244.
[41] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 10: 1354-1358 (1909), 260.
[42] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 12: 1364-1369 (1910), 168, 273, 480.
[43] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 7, Edward III: 1356-1368 (1923), 397.
mk
Mar 26, 2017, 12:18:38 PM3/26/17
to John Watson, GenMedieval
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 4:46 AM, John Watson <watso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trussell of Flore, Nuthurst and Peatling
>
This is a great help, John.
> Trussell of Flore, Nuthurst and Peatling
>
Do you know which Sir William Trussell was the father of Isabel who married
a St. Pierre?
http://tinyurl.com/kt2dndb
possibly the one mentioned here? (Having very little luck parsing this lot
:(
http://tinyurl.com/kbmozxg
Best, Monica
John Watson
Mar 26, 2017, 2:09:35 PM3/26/17
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Isabel cannot have been daughter of William Trussell of Kibblestone (d. 1363), since he left only one daughter and heir, Margaret, wife of Sir Fulk Pembrugge. Of the other William Trussels I think it's a matter of take your pick unless you can find some other dated documentary evidence which might help narrow the possibilities.
Regards,
John
taf
Mar 26, 2017, 2:54:21 PM3/26/17
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On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 9:18:38 AM UTC-7, mk wrote:
> Do you know which Sir William Trussell was the father of Isabel who married
> a St. Pierre?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kt2dndb
>
> possibly the one mentioned here? (Having very little luck parsing this lot
> :(
> http://tinyurl.com/kbmozxg
The best data here comes from inquisitions. Urian de St. Pierre, father of the Trussell son-in-law, John, was determined to have been born 1278. His son John was born in 1308.
> Do you know which Sir William Trussell was the father of Isabel who married
> a St. Pierre?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kt2dndb
>
> possibly the one mentioned here? (Having very little luck parsing this lot
> :(
> http://tinyurl.com/kbmozxg
While I don't find anything for the next generation, there are dates for later.
Isabel, daughter of Urian de St Pierre, married 1353 when her husband was 10. She may have been a little older, but I don't think she was born before 1340 or so, and probably was similar in age to her husband. Her father, then, would be born ca. 1325 and his grandmother, Isabel, probably not too much older than her husband, who was born as we have seen, in 1308.
That means his father-in-law William Trussell was likely the man born ca. 1280 (or perhaps a little bit later, 1.1.1 in John Watson's account). To make her daughter of the elder William, she would have been close to 40 at the time she married a 17-year-old John St. Pierre, which I don't think is likely.
So, daughter of William and Isabel and sister of Sir John, Sir William, and Sir Warin.
taf
taf
Mar 26, 2017, 3:05:11 PM3/26/17
to
On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 11:54:21 AM UTC-7, taf wrote:
> Isabel, daughter of Urian de St Pierre, married 1353 when her husband was
> 10. She may have been a little older, but I don't think she was born before
> 1340 or so, and probably was similar in age to her husband. Her father,
> then, would be born ca. 1325 and his grandmother, Isabel, probably not too
> much older than her husband, who was born as we have seen, in 1308.
>
> That means his father-in-law William Trussell was likely the man born ca.
> 1280 (or perhaps a little bit later, 1.1.1 in John Watson's account).
Sorry, I missed the William in the other branch. She could potentially also be daughter of William, son of Edmund (1.2.1), b. ca. 1285.
> Isabel, daughter of Urian de St Pierre, married 1353 when her husband was
> 10. She may have been a little older, but I don't think she was born before
> 1340 or so, and probably was similar in age to her husband. Her father,
> then, would be born ca. 1325 and his grandmother, Isabel, probably not too
> much older than her husband, who was born as we have seen, in 1308.
>
> That means his father-in-law William Trussell was likely the man born ca.
> 1280 (or perhaps a little bit later, 1.1.1 in John Watson's account).
taf
taf
Mar 26, 2017, 4:18:09 PM3/26/17
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Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records, vol. 28, p. 31
11 Edw. 3
Pierre, St. John de, knight. Indenture of, granting to William Trussel, of Cubleston, the manor of Bikelegh for the support of Isabel, wife of the said John, to hold during the life of the said Isabel 1d., and after her decease 100 marks ; the said manor, on the death of the said William, to remain successively for life, under the above conditions, to Warin brother of the same William, John Trussel, of Acton, knight, John de Ardene, knight, Ralph de Vernon of Shipbroke, and Laurence Trussel patron of the church of Mershton. [10 & 11 Edw. 3 10 d.]
This has every appearance of being a marriage settlement between the Trussels and St. Pierre immediately following his marriage, in order to protect his wife, their kinswoman. Given that the succession to this indenture for the interests of Isabel goes from William to Warin to Sir John, three brothers, sons of William b. ca. 1280, and later the brother of this elder William, while none of Edmund's line appear, it seems clear that Isabel, wife of John de St. Pierre, belonged to this branch of the family, and from chronology, was in fact the sister of John, William and Warin.
taf
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11 Edw. 3
Pierre, St. John de, knight. Indenture of, granting to William Trussel, of Cubleston, the manor of Bikelegh for the support of Isabel, wife of the said John, to hold during the life of the said Isabel 1d., and after her decease 100 marks ; the said manor, on the death of the said William, to remain successively for life, under the above conditions, to Warin brother of the same William, John Trussel, of Acton, knight, John de Ardene, knight, Ralph de Vernon of Shipbroke, and Laurence Trussel patron of the church of Mershton. [10 & 11 Edw. 3 10 d.]
This has every appearance of being a marriage settlement between the Trussels and St. Pierre immediately following his marriage, in order to protect his wife, their kinswoman. Given that the succession to this indenture for the interests of Isabel goes from William to Warin to Sir John, three brothers, sons of William b. ca. 1280, and later the brother of this elder William, while none of Edmund's line appear, it seems clear that Isabel, wife of John de St. Pierre, belonged to this branch of the family, and from chronology, was in fact the sister of John, William and Warin.
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Mar 26, 2017, 6:57:06 PM3/26/17
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Great find, thanks! Pins it down nicely.
All the best,
Monica
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