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John Watson
Jan 27, 2013, 10:00:57 AM1/27/13
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Hi all,
Please see below an outline pedigree of the family of Hansard. I would
be grateful for any corrections or additions.
1. Gilbert Hansard ca.1135-1184
Probably of the family of Hansard which held lands in Surrey and
Sussex, descendants of the Domesday tenant, Halsart.
In 1166, In the return of knight's fees of the Bishop of Durham,
Gilbert Hansard held land in Hornby and Irby, West Rounton, and
between Hornby and Little Smeaton. Possibly also in Blacktoft and
Hook. Gilbert was enfeoffed of these tenements by Hugh, bishop of
Durham. In addition to his fee in Durham, Gilbert obtained the town of
Welbury from William Ingram; the towns of High Worsall and Landmoth
from William de Vescy and John, constable of Chester ; and in
Lincolnshire he was enfeoffed of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-Moor by
Adam de Montbegon [his uncle], William de Vescy, the abbot of Thornton
and Hugh son of Pincun [1].
He married about 1178, Joan de Stuteville, daughter of John de
Stuteville of Long Lawford, Newbold-on-Avon and Cosford in
Warwickshire and his wife Agnes. Joan was the widow of Meldred fitz
Dolfin, by who she was the mother of Robert fitz Meldred, ancestor of
the Nevilles of Raby, Durham.
They had two sons; Gilbert and John (probably a clergyman) and a
daughter Alice who married Brian fitz Alan of Bedale [2].
Gilbert died in 1183 or 1184. In 1185, Gilbert's lands were in the
hands of the king and the heirs were in the custody of their mother
[2]. Joan probably died before 1197, when Hubert, archbishop of
Canterbury, proffered 600 marks for the custody of Gilbert's son,
Gilbert, with his land and marriage [1].
1.1 Gilbert Hansard ca. ca.1178 - ca.1223
Gilbert probably came of age before 22 September 1199, when King John
confirmed to Gilbert son of Gilbert Hansard and his heirs all the
lands held by his father, namely, the gift of Hugh Bishop of Durham of
the vills of Evenwood, Morley, Walworth, Kimblesworth, Blacktoft and
Hook, Hornby and Irby. The gift of William Ingram, the vill of
Welbury. The gift of Adam de Montbegon of land in Kelsey, Thornton and
Bestrope. The gift of Jordan Hairun and Agnes his wife of the vill of
Hurworth and the vill of Chereton. The gift of William Vesci and John
constable of Chester of the vills of Worsall, Landmoth and all the
Elmdens. The gift of William de Vesci of the services of Robert
Escolland. The gift of the abbot and convent of Thornton of 4 bovates
in Kelsey. The gift of Hugh fitz Pinchun of land in Durham. [4].
Gilbert was alive in 1221 when he presented to the rectory of Thornton-
le-Moor, Lincolnshire, but was dead in 1223 [1].
The name of his wife is not known. He had at least one son, John.
1.1.1 John Hansard ca.1205 - ca.1253
John Hansard married before November 1233, Maud, niece of Roger de
Mowbray, whose parentage is uncertain [5]. He was alive in January
1253, when he was a witness to a charter in Durham [6].
A clue to his wife's ancestry could be that in 1242, John Hansard held
a fee in Bozeat, Northamptonshire of Henry de Hastings [7].
John and Maud had at least two sons; Gilbert and Robert.
1.1.1.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1225 - 1291
In October 1253 Gilbert had licence to hunt hares, foxes and cats with
his dogs in Northamptonshire [8]. In June 1275 his manor of Bozeat,
Northamptonshire was taken into the king's hand after he alienated it
without licence [9]. In November 1265, the king gave him the custody
of the soke of Caistor [10].
Gilbert appears to have married twice, by his first wife whose name is
not known, he had one at least one son; John. In August 1270 he fined
400 marks for the wardship and marriage of Anastasia, second daughter
of Ralph son of Ranulph, of Middleham castle, Yorkshire, [11] who he
married to his son John.
He married secondly, shortly before November 1270, Joan daughter of
Philip de Columbers IV (d. 1262) and his wife Egelina de Courtenay
[12]. By his second wife he appears to have had two sons; Robert and
Gilbert.
In early 1291 he granted the manors of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-
Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham to his son Robert
[13].
He appears to have died shortly after these grants. Joan was still
living in 1313.
1.1.1.1.1 Sir John Hansard ca.1260 - ca.1327
John Hansard, son and heir of Sir Gilbert Hansard. In January 1295, he
granted the manors of Evenwood, Morley and Fuley to Anthony Bek,
bishop of Durham, who in return requested John de Lithegraynes and
Alice his wife (who may have been John's sister) to grant him the
manor of High Worsall, Yorkshire [14].
John married in 1270 or 1271, Anastasia, daughter of Ralph son of
Ranulph, of Middleham castle, Yorkshire and Anastasia de Percy.
Anastasia his wife died before April 1272 [15]. He married secondly
before 1306, Juliana, daughter of Eustace de Hache and widow of
William de Hardreshull [16]. By Juliana he had a son John, who is
mentioned in June 1323 [17], but who appears to have died without
heirs.
John Hansard was an adherent of John Mowbray and fought against Edward
II at the battle of Boroughbridge, Yorkshire on 16 March 1322. He was
captured after the battle by the constable of Knaresbrough, without a
horse or armour, apparently trying to make his escape. Whether he was
one of Lancaster's supporters executed after the battle, like Mowbray
is not clear, but he almost certainly forfeited his lands to the king.
His inquisition post mortem for Lincolnshire held in early 1327 found
that he held no lands of the king or any other lord [18].
1.1.1.1.2 Robert Hansard ca.1272 - 1313
Robert Hansard, second son of Sir Gilbert Hansard by his second wife
Joan Columbers. He had a grant of lands in South Kelsey and Thornton-
le-Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham in 1291 [13].
In 1292, in an action by Joan, widow of Gilbert Hansard, against
Robert, son of Gilbert Hansard concerning the manor of Blacktoft, the
gift of Egelina, widow of Philip de Columbers, it appears from the
pleadings that Joan was the daughter of Egelina, and that Gilbert
Hansard's father's name was John, and also that Robert was the son of
Gilbert and Joan [18].
Nothing much else seems to be known about him. He married Margaret and
died before 24 August 1313, when the king ordered the sheriff of
Lincoln and the bishop of Durham to give to Robert de Monte Alto, the
custody of Gilbert son and heir of Robert Haunsard [19].
In 1313 Bishop Kellaw granted to Patrick his brother, the custody of
the lands of the heir of Robert Haunsard in Walworth, and the
reversion of all the lands held in dower by Joan who was the wife of
Gilbert Hansard and Margaret who was the wife of Robert in the vill of
Walworth, until the legitimate age of Robert's heir [20].
Robert and Margaret had one son; Gilbert.
1.1.1.1.2.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1300 - 1339
Almost nothing seems to known about this Sir Gilbert. He died before
26 July 1339 when Queen Isabella presented John de Hull priest to
Thornton-le-Moor, Lincolnshire, in right of her wardship of Robert son
and heir of Sir Gilbert Hansard [21].
He married Lora, who was still alive in 1349 [22]. They had one son;
Robert.
1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1325 - ?
I can find very little information on this Sir Robert. He was knighted
before 1349 [22]. According to Robert Surtees' pedigree of the family
he married Beatrice and has one son Robert [23].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1350 - 1391
Again, not a lot is known about this Robert Hansard. He is said by
Surtees to have married Margaret, daughter of William Gacoigne, but
which William Gascoigne is not clear.
He left a will dated 26 January 1391 and proved on 14 February. To be
buried in the church of the Friars Preachers in York, before the high
altar. Mentions son Gilbert, son Robert, unmarried daughter Joan,
daughter Margaret, son John, son William and daughter Margery [24].
His inquisition post mortem for Durham held at Darlington on 29 April
1395 found that Richard, aged 18, is his son and next heir [25].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard Hansard 1377 - 25 Nov 1428
Richard Hansard was knighted before 1402. He married before February
1391 Joan, daughter of John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 1395) and Joan de
Shelvestrode.
According to an inscription in the church of South Kelsey he died on
25 November 1428 [26]. Joan was still alive in April 1440, when she is
mentioned in the will of her sister Alice [27].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Richard Hansard ca.1405 - 1466
Richard Hnsard Married Joan, said by Surtees to be Joan daughter of
Sir John Hedworth.
His inquisition post mortem for Durham was held on 14 April 1466,
where it was found that Richard, aged 9, is his grandson and heir,
viz., the son of Richard son of the said Richard Haunserd. The
inquisition for assignment of dower to Joan Haunserd, widow of Richard
was held on 10 June 1466 [28].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard Hansard ca.1425 - 1460
Richard Hansard, said by Surtees to have married Margaret daughter of
Thomas Delamare. He is said to have died at the battle of wakefield.
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard Hansard 1457 - ?
Aged 9 in April 1466 and heir of his grandfather Richard Hansard, esq.
he was alive in 1480.
Regards,
John
References:
1. William Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters, Vol. 2 (Edinburgh: 1915)
p. 279n
2. Complete Peerage, Vol. 5, p. 393, note (d)
3. Pipe Roll Society, Vol. 35, J.H. Round, Rotuli de Dominabus et
Pueris et Puellis de XII Comitatibus, 1185 (1913) p. 5
4. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Rotuli Chartarum in Turri Londinensi
Asservati, Vol. 1 (London: 1837) p. 23
5. Calendar of Fine Rolls 18 Henry III, No. 29
6. Durham Cathedral Muniments: Specialia, 4.1.Spec.9
7. 'Parishes: Bozeat', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume
4 (1937), pp. 3-7
8. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 4, p. 248
9. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 48
10. Calendar of Fine Rolls 50 Henry III, No. 746
11. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 6, p. 454
12. Final Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp.
280-294, No. 504
13. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) pp. 1234-7
14. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 3 (1875) pp. 68-9
15. Calendar of Fine Rolls 56 Henry III, No. 628
16. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 545
16. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 6, p. 273, No. 456
17. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 7, p. 1, No. 1
18. Surtees Society, Vol. 83, Cartularium Abbathiae Rievalle (1889) p.
215n, citing Assize Rolls, Ebor., 20 Edw. I., N. 1., 13-3, fo. 32
19. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) p. 967
20. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) p. 1215
21. A. Gibbons, Notes on the Visitation of Lincolnshire 1634 (Lincoln:
1898) p. 47
22. Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series, Vol. 52, Feet of
Fines for Yorkshire, 1347-77 (1915) p. 24, No. 24
23. Robert Surtees, History of Durham, Vol. 3, p. 318
24. Surtees Society, Vol. 4, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part 1 (1836) p.
132
25. 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p. 215
26. A. Gibbons, Notes on the Visitation of Lincolnshire 1634 (Lincoln:
1898) p. 48
27. Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part 2 (Durham:
1855) p. 76
28. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p. 412
Please see below an outline pedigree of the family of Hansard. I would
be grateful for any corrections or additions.
1. Gilbert Hansard ca.1135-1184
Probably of the family of Hansard which held lands in Surrey and
Sussex, descendants of the Domesday tenant, Halsart.
In 1166, In the return of knight's fees of the Bishop of Durham,
Gilbert Hansard held land in Hornby and Irby, West Rounton, and
between Hornby and Little Smeaton. Possibly also in Blacktoft and
Hook. Gilbert was enfeoffed of these tenements by Hugh, bishop of
Durham. In addition to his fee in Durham, Gilbert obtained the town of
Welbury from William Ingram; the towns of High Worsall and Landmoth
from William de Vescy and John, constable of Chester ; and in
Lincolnshire he was enfeoffed of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-Moor by
Adam de Montbegon [his uncle], William de Vescy, the abbot of Thornton
and Hugh son of Pincun [1].
He married about 1178, Joan de Stuteville, daughter of John de
Stuteville of Long Lawford, Newbold-on-Avon and Cosford in
Warwickshire and his wife Agnes. Joan was the widow of Meldred fitz
Dolfin, by who she was the mother of Robert fitz Meldred, ancestor of
the Nevilles of Raby, Durham.
They had two sons; Gilbert and John (probably a clergyman) and a
daughter Alice who married Brian fitz Alan of Bedale [2].
Gilbert died in 1183 or 1184. In 1185, Gilbert's lands were in the
hands of the king and the heirs were in the custody of their mother
[2]. Joan probably died before 1197, when Hubert, archbishop of
Canterbury, proffered 600 marks for the custody of Gilbert's son,
Gilbert, with his land and marriage [1].
1.1 Gilbert Hansard ca. ca.1178 - ca.1223
Gilbert probably came of age before 22 September 1199, when King John
confirmed to Gilbert son of Gilbert Hansard and his heirs all the
lands held by his father, namely, the gift of Hugh Bishop of Durham of
the vills of Evenwood, Morley, Walworth, Kimblesworth, Blacktoft and
Hook, Hornby and Irby. The gift of William Ingram, the vill of
Welbury. The gift of Adam de Montbegon of land in Kelsey, Thornton and
Bestrope. The gift of Jordan Hairun and Agnes his wife of the vill of
Hurworth and the vill of Chereton. The gift of William Vesci and John
constable of Chester of the vills of Worsall, Landmoth and all the
Elmdens. The gift of William de Vesci of the services of Robert
Escolland. The gift of the abbot and convent of Thornton of 4 bovates
in Kelsey. The gift of Hugh fitz Pinchun of land in Durham. [4].
Gilbert was alive in 1221 when he presented to the rectory of Thornton-
le-Moor, Lincolnshire, but was dead in 1223 [1].
The name of his wife is not known. He had at least one son, John.
1.1.1 John Hansard ca.1205 - ca.1253
John Hansard married before November 1233, Maud, niece of Roger de
Mowbray, whose parentage is uncertain [5]. He was alive in January
1253, when he was a witness to a charter in Durham [6].
A clue to his wife's ancestry could be that in 1242, John Hansard held
a fee in Bozeat, Northamptonshire of Henry de Hastings [7].
John and Maud had at least two sons; Gilbert and Robert.
1.1.1.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1225 - 1291
In October 1253 Gilbert had licence to hunt hares, foxes and cats with
his dogs in Northamptonshire [8]. In June 1275 his manor of Bozeat,
Northamptonshire was taken into the king's hand after he alienated it
without licence [9]. In November 1265, the king gave him the custody
of the soke of Caistor [10].
Gilbert appears to have married twice, by his first wife whose name is
not known, he had one at least one son; John. In August 1270 he fined
400 marks for the wardship and marriage of Anastasia, second daughter
of Ralph son of Ranulph, of Middleham castle, Yorkshire, [11] who he
married to his son John.
He married secondly, shortly before November 1270, Joan daughter of
Philip de Columbers IV (d. 1262) and his wife Egelina de Courtenay
[12]. By his second wife he appears to have had two sons; Robert and
Gilbert.
In early 1291 he granted the manors of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-
Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham to his son Robert
[13].
He appears to have died shortly after these grants. Joan was still
living in 1313.
1.1.1.1.1 Sir John Hansard ca.1260 - ca.1327
John Hansard, son and heir of Sir Gilbert Hansard. In January 1295, he
granted the manors of Evenwood, Morley and Fuley to Anthony Bek,
bishop of Durham, who in return requested John de Lithegraynes and
Alice his wife (who may have been John's sister) to grant him the
manor of High Worsall, Yorkshire [14].
John married in 1270 or 1271, Anastasia, daughter of Ralph son of
Ranulph, of Middleham castle, Yorkshire and Anastasia de Percy.
Anastasia his wife died before April 1272 [15]. He married secondly
before 1306, Juliana, daughter of Eustace de Hache and widow of
William de Hardreshull [16]. By Juliana he had a son John, who is
mentioned in June 1323 [17], but who appears to have died without
heirs.
John Hansard was an adherent of John Mowbray and fought against Edward
II at the battle of Boroughbridge, Yorkshire on 16 March 1322. He was
captured after the battle by the constable of Knaresbrough, without a
horse or armour, apparently trying to make his escape. Whether he was
one of Lancaster's supporters executed after the battle, like Mowbray
is not clear, but he almost certainly forfeited his lands to the king.
His inquisition post mortem for Lincolnshire held in early 1327 found
that he held no lands of the king or any other lord [18].
1.1.1.1.2 Robert Hansard ca.1272 - 1313
Robert Hansard, second son of Sir Gilbert Hansard by his second wife
Joan Columbers. He had a grant of lands in South Kelsey and Thornton-
le-Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham in 1291 [13].
In 1292, in an action by Joan, widow of Gilbert Hansard, against
Robert, son of Gilbert Hansard concerning the manor of Blacktoft, the
gift of Egelina, widow of Philip de Columbers, it appears from the
pleadings that Joan was the daughter of Egelina, and that Gilbert
Hansard's father's name was John, and also that Robert was the son of
Gilbert and Joan [18].
Nothing much else seems to be known about him. He married Margaret and
died before 24 August 1313, when the king ordered the sheriff of
Lincoln and the bishop of Durham to give to Robert de Monte Alto, the
custody of Gilbert son and heir of Robert Haunsard [19].
In 1313 Bishop Kellaw granted to Patrick his brother, the custody of
the lands of the heir of Robert Haunsard in Walworth, and the
reversion of all the lands held in dower by Joan who was the wife of
Gilbert Hansard and Margaret who was the wife of Robert in the vill of
Walworth, until the legitimate age of Robert's heir [20].
Robert and Margaret had one son; Gilbert.
1.1.1.1.2.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1300 - 1339
Almost nothing seems to known about this Sir Gilbert. He died before
26 July 1339 when Queen Isabella presented John de Hull priest to
Thornton-le-Moor, Lincolnshire, in right of her wardship of Robert son
and heir of Sir Gilbert Hansard [21].
He married Lora, who was still alive in 1349 [22]. They had one son;
Robert.
1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1325 - ?
I can find very little information on this Sir Robert. He was knighted
before 1349 [22]. According to Robert Surtees' pedigree of the family
he married Beatrice and has one son Robert [23].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1350 - 1391
Again, not a lot is known about this Robert Hansard. He is said by
Surtees to have married Margaret, daughter of William Gacoigne, but
which William Gascoigne is not clear.
He left a will dated 26 January 1391 and proved on 14 February. To be
buried in the church of the Friars Preachers in York, before the high
altar. Mentions son Gilbert, son Robert, unmarried daughter Joan,
daughter Margaret, son John, son William and daughter Margery [24].
His inquisition post mortem for Durham held at Darlington on 29 April
1395 found that Richard, aged 18, is his son and next heir [25].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard Hansard 1377 - 25 Nov 1428
Richard Hansard was knighted before 1402. He married before February
1391 Joan, daughter of John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 1395) and Joan de
Shelvestrode.
According to an inscription in the church of South Kelsey he died on
25 November 1428 [26]. Joan was still alive in April 1440, when she is
mentioned in the will of her sister Alice [27].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Richard Hansard ca.1405 - 1466
Richard Hnsard Married Joan, said by Surtees to be Joan daughter of
Sir John Hedworth.
His inquisition post mortem for Durham was held on 14 April 1466,
where it was found that Richard, aged 9, is his grandson and heir,
viz., the son of Richard son of the said Richard Haunserd. The
inquisition for assignment of dower to Joan Haunserd, widow of Richard
was held on 10 June 1466 [28].
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard Hansard ca.1425 - 1460
Richard Hansard, said by Surtees to have married Margaret daughter of
Thomas Delamare. He is said to have died at the battle of wakefield.
1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Richard Hansard 1457 - ?
Aged 9 in April 1466 and heir of his grandfather Richard Hansard, esq.
he was alive in 1480.
Regards,
John
References:
1. William Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters, Vol. 2 (Edinburgh: 1915)
p. 279n
2. Complete Peerage, Vol. 5, p. 393, note (d)
3. Pipe Roll Society, Vol. 35, J.H. Round, Rotuli de Dominabus et
Pueris et Puellis de XII Comitatibus, 1185 (1913) p. 5
4. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Rotuli Chartarum in Turri Londinensi
Asservati, Vol. 1 (London: 1837) p. 23
5. Calendar of Fine Rolls 18 Henry III, No. 29
6. Durham Cathedral Muniments: Specialia, 4.1.Spec.9
7. 'Parishes: Bozeat', A History of the County of Northampton: Volume
4 (1937), pp. 3-7
8. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 4, p. 248
9. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 48
10. Calendar of Fine Rolls 50 Henry III, No. 746
11. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol. 6, p. 454
12. Final Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp.
280-294, No. 504
13. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) pp. 1234-7
14. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 3 (1875) pp. 68-9
15. Calendar of Fine Rolls 56 Henry III, No. 628
16. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 545
16. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 6, p. 273, No. 456
17. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 7, p. 1, No. 1
18. Surtees Society, Vol. 83, Cartularium Abbathiae Rievalle (1889) p.
215n, citing Assize Rolls, Ebor., 20 Edw. I., N. 1., 13-3, fo. 32
19. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) p. 967
20. Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register
of Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) p. 1215
21. A. Gibbons, Notes on the Visitation of Lincolnshire 1634 (Lincoln:
1898) p. 47
22. Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series, Vol. 52, Feet of
Fines for Yorkshire, 1347-77 (1915) p. 24, No. 24
23. Robert Surtees, History of Durham, Vol. 3, p. 318
24. Surtees Society, Vol. 4, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part 1 (1836) p.
132
25. 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p. 215
26. A. Gibbons, Notes on the Visitation of Lincolnshire 1634 (Lincoln:
1898) p. 48
27. Surtees Society, Vol. 30, Testamenta Eboracensia, Part 2 (Durham:
1855) p. 76
28. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p. 412
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John, do you have any idea if or how these Hansards might tie into William
Hansard, who died about November, 1349, ancestor of the Cornwallis family?
It so happens that a brief search of the internet brings up a copy of the
1560 Cornwallis pedigree which forms at least part of the basis of the
Hansard descent (Moriarty found and published other documentation, as well).
I had not seen the 1560 pedigree before, perhaps others also would like to
see the work:
https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/seaxpam2012/result_details.aspx?DocID=1006
81
The 1560 pedigree shows arms for William Hansard that you might compare with
any you've found in your own research.
Take care,
Kelly in Va.
Hansard, who died about November, 1349, ancestor of the Cornwallis family?
It so happens that a brief search of the internet brings up a copy of the
1560 Cornwallis pedigree which forms at least part of the basis of the
Hansard descent (Moriarty found and published other documentation, as well).
I had not seen the 1560 pedigree before, perhaps others also would like to
see the work:
https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/seaxpam2012/result_details.aspx?DocID=1006
81
The 1560 pedigree shows arms for William Hansard that you might compare with
any you've found in your own research.
Take care,
Kelly in Va.
John Watson
Jan 27, 2013, 5:09:36 PM1/27/13
to
On Jan 28, 1:45 am, "Kelly Leighton" <klei...@cox.net> wrote:
> John, do you have any idea if or how these Hansards might tie into William
> Hansard, who died about November, 1349, ancestor of the Cornwallis family?
>
> It so happens that a brief search of the internet brings up a copy of the
> 1560 Cornwallis pedigree which forms at least part of the basis of the
> Hansard descent (Moriarty found and published other documentation, as well).
>
> I had not seen the 1560 pedigree before, perhaps others also would like to
> see the work:
>
> https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/seaxpam2012/result_details.aspx?Doc...
> John, do you have any idea if or how these Hansards might tie into William
> Hansard, who died about November, 1349, ancestor of the Cornwallis family?
>
> It so happens that a brief search of the internet brings up a copy of the
> 1560 Cornwallis pedigree which forms at least part of the basis of the
> Hansard descent (Moriarty found and published other documentation, as well).
>
> I had not seen the 1560 pedigree before, perhaps others also would like to
> see the work:
>
> 81
>
> The 1560 pedigree shows arms for William Hansard that you might compare with
> any you've found in your own research.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kelly in Va.
Kelly,
>
> The 1560 pedigree shows arms for William Hansard that you might compare with
> any you've found in your own research.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kelly in Va.
There was a family of Hansard in Surrey. See:
'Parishes: Little Bookham', A History of the County of Surrey: Volume
3 (1911), pp. 335-338.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42977
There was also a family of London fishmongers called Hansard, one of
whom, William Hansard, was sometime mayor of London and died in 1349 I
believe.
Regards,
John
John Watson
Jan 27, 2013, 7:41:54 PM1/27/13
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On Jan 28, 1:45 am, "Kelly Leighton" <klei...@cox.net> wrote:
> John, do you have any idea if or how these Hansards might tie into William
> Hansard, who died about November, 1349, ancestor of the Cornwallis family?
>
> It so happens that a brief search of the internet brings up a copy of the
> 1560 Cornwallis pedigree which forms at least part of the basis of the
> Hansard descent (Moriarty found and published other documentation, as well).
>
> I had not seen the 1560 pedigree before, perhaps others also would like to
> see the work:
>
> https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/seaxpam2012/result_details.aspx?Doc...
> Hansard, who died about November, 1349, ancestor of the Cornwallis family?
>
> It so happens that a brief search of the internet brings up a copy of the
> 1560 Cornwallis pedigree which forms at least part of the basis of the
> Hansard descent (Moriarty found and published other documentation, as well).
>
> I had not seen the 1560 pedigree before, perhaps others also would like to
> see the work:
>
> 81
>
> The 1560 pedigree shows arms for William Hansard that you might compare with
> any you've found in your own research.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kelly in Va.
Kelly,
>
> The 1560 pedigree shows arms for William Hansard that you might compare with
> any you've found in your own research.
>
> Take care,
>
> Kelly in Va.
I'm no great expert on heraldry. The arms of the Hansard family of
Durham and Lincolnshire were gules three mullets argent; i.e. three
white stars on a red background. The arms shown in the Cornwallis
pedigree are gules three mullets argent differenced with a crescent
for a younger son.
Regards,
John
John Watson
Jan 27, 2013, 9:06:27 PM1/27/13
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These look like the wills of your William Hansard, father and son.
They probably both died in the black death which devastated the London
population in 1349.
Haunsard (William), senior.— To Johanna junior, his daughter, eighty
pounds sterling for her marriage, and in default of marriage the same
to remain to the conventual church of H. Trinity, London; and
similarly to Isabella his daughter one hundred marks, with remainder
to the nuns of Clerkynwell. Also to his said daughters all his vessels
of silver, his cups of mazer, and other vessels of wood and brass
appertaining to his house, in equal portions. To Henry Fanner and
Johanna, wife of the same, a tenement in the parish of All Hallows the
Less in Thames Street, charged with a payment of fourteen marks
annually towards two chantries in the church of S. Dunstan; a quitrent
issuing from the said tenement, and enjoyed by Nicholas de Farndon, to
be redeemed. Also to the aforesaid Johanna a tenement in the parish of
S. Swythin de Candelwikestret, a brewhouse in "Boliot'lane" in the
parish of H. Trinity, London, and tenements in the parish of S.
Botolph near Billyngesgate; and to the aforesaid Isabella tenements in
the parishes of S. Dunstan, S. Mary atte Hull, and S. Magnus;
remainder in default of heirs of their respective bodies to pious
uses. Two tenements opposite the fountain of S. Dunstan to be sold for
pious uses. Directions as to appointment to the aforesaid chantries,
and other particulars connected with the same. The aforesaid Henry
Fanner to have the wardship of his daughters until marriage. Dated
London, Wednesday next before the Feast of S. Laurence [10 Aug.], A.D.
1349.
Haunsard (William, son of William).— To be buried in the church of S.
Dunstan. To Alice his wife all his grain of every kind, all his hay,
and all his goods, movable and immovable, in his tenement situate in
the parish of S. Botolph without Algate. To Richard Smelt and Margery,
wife of the same, a tenement in the parish of S. Dunstan towards the
Tower, the reversion of other tenements and shops in the parishes of
S. George near Estchepe and S. Mary de Berkyngcherch, and an annual
rent issuing from the "blakelofte" in the parish of Stanyngcherche
near Martelane. A shop in Brigestrete, parish of S. Magnus, to be sold
for pious uses in the church of S. Dunstan aforesaid, for the souls of
the testator, William his father, Johanna his mother, &c. Dated
London, 13 October, A.D. 1349.
'Wills: 23 Edward III (part 2 of 2)', Calendar of wills proved and
enrolled in the Court of Husting, London: Part 1: 1258-1358 (1889),
pp. 578-624.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66886
Regards,
John
John Watson
Jan 27, 2013, 9:10:47 PM1/27/13
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'Stepney: Manors and Estates', A History of the County of Middlesex:
Volume 11: Stepney, Bethnal Green (1998), pp. 19-52.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22734
Regards,
John
Wjhonson
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Your ref 1 is online
http://archive.org/stream/earlyyorkshirech02farruoft#page/278/mode/2up
Could you review it again for the exact text ? It doesn't seem to say, what you're saying below.
In particular please review again my note that he (Gilbert) paid relief in 1196 (Pipe Rolls)
I suggest he was a bit older than your below
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Subject: Pedigree of Hansard
John Watson
Jan 28, 2013, 5:06:51 PM1/28/13
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On Jan 29, 1:35 am, Wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
> Your ref 1 is online
>
> http://archive.org/stream/earlyyorkshirech02farruoft#page/278/mode/2up
>
> Could you review it again for the exact text ? It doesn't seem to say, what you're saying below.
> In particular please review again my note that he (Gilbert) paid relief in 1196 (Pipe Rolls)
> I suggest he was a bit older than your below
>
>
>
Dear Will,
> Your ref 1 is online
>
> http://archive.org/stream/earlyyorkshirech02farruoft#page/278/mode/2up
>
> Could you review it again for the exact text ? It doesn't seem to say, what you're saying below.
> In particular please review again my note that he (Gilbert) paid relief in 1196 (Pipe Rolls)
> I suggest he was a bit older than your below
>
>
>
If Gilbert Hansard was aged 21 in 1196, then why did the archbishop of
Canterbury offer 600 marks for his wardship in 1197? Joan de
Stuteville married firstly Meldred fitz Dolfin and secondly Gilbert
Hansard I, so Gilbert's age depends on when Meldred died. The sources
all seem to agree that he died "about 1178". I am assuming that Joan
immediately remarried and the earliest that Gilbert could be born was
in 1178. He had a charter of confirmation of his lands from king John
in September 1199, which seems to confirm this assumption. What is
your source for the 1196 pipe roll - I don't have access to this.
I don't get your other point about the text in my post - please
explain what you mean.
Regards,
John
Wjhonson
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http://books.google.com/books?id=b-MLAQAAIAAJ&lpg=PR129&ots=wwlzEEyG1Z&dq=pipe%20rolls%201196%20hansard&pg=PR129#v=onepage&q=pipe%20rolls%201196%20hansard&f=false
Gilbert fitz Gilbert and Robert fitz Meldred side by side "De Scut Milit"
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Gilbert fitz Gilbert and Robert fitz Meldred side by side "De Scut Milit"
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xager8on
Jan 28, 2013, 5:50:18 PM1/28/13
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John, AR8 247-24 has:
Maldred Fitz Dolfin, Lord of Raby, b. abt 1135, witness, abt. 1140, d. abt 1183; m. abt 1170/3, a daughter de Stuteville (270A-27), of John de Stuteville (270A-26), of Long Lawford, Newbold-on-Avon and Cosford, co. Warwick. line 247-24 (CP IX:494; NEHGR 106: 190; ES XIII/103).
Their son Richard Fitz Maldred is AR8 247-25.
Maldred Fitz Dolfin, Lord of Raby, b. abt 1135, witness, abt. 1140, d. abt 1183; m. abt 1170/3, a daughter de Stuteville (270A-27), of John de Stuteville (270A-26), of Long Lawford, Newbold-on-Avon and Cosford, co. Warwick. line 247-24 (CP IX:494; NEHGR 106: 190; ES XIII/103).
Their son Richard Fitz Maldred is AR8 247-25.
John Watson
Jan 28, 2013, 8:24:00 PM1/28/13
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What's an AR8 and does it give any sources for the death date of
Meldred fitz Dolfin? - I mean primary sources.
Regards,
John
xager8on
Jan 29, 2013, 6:15:57 AM1/29/13
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John, Ancestral Roots version eight. The sources are: CP IX:494; NEHGR 106: 190; ES XIII/103
John Watson
Jan 29, 2013, 8:23:56 AM1/29/13
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On Jan 29, 6:15 pm, xager8on <xager8on...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John, Ancestral Roots version eight. The sources are: CP IX:494; NEHGR 106: 190; ES XIII/103
Not primary sources
> John, Ancestral Roots version eight. The sources are: CP IX:494; NEHGR 106: 190; ES XIII/103
Wjhonson
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Ancestral Roots 8th edition
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Subject: Re: Pedigree of Hansard
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John, this certainly makes more sense than anything else I have seen. The secondary sources are a mess when you try to compare them. I am looking for the connection of Alice Hansard who married Sir John Belasyse (occurs 1304-1365) of Henknoll, Durham. I've seen her listed as son of Robert who m Margaret Gascoigne and Surtees says she is dau of Richard who m Joan Aske. These dates when compared to your dates don't seem to fit right. It seems that she married a man much older than she. Not impossible, but I wonder if maybe she doesn't belong earlier in the pedigree. Have you turned up anything about her? Thanks. Mardi
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Jan 29, 2013, 2:33:01 PM1/29/13
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On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:02:23 AM UTC-7, mard...@yahoo.com wrote:
> John, this certainly makes more sense than anything else I have seen. The secondary sources are a mess when you try to compare them. I am looking for the connection of Alice Hansard who married Sir John Belasyse (occurs 1304-1365) of Henknoll, Durham. I've seen her listed as son of Robert who m Margaret Gascoigne and Surtees says she is dau of Richard who m Joan Aske. These dates when compared to your dates don't seem to fit right. It seems that she married a man much older than she. Not impossible, but I wonder if maybe she doesn't belong earlier in the pedigree. Have you turned up anything about her? Thanks. Mardi
BTW the Robert Hansard I mentioned is apparently of the Walworth line.
> John, this certainly makes more sense than anything else I have seen. The secondary sources are a mess when you try to compare them. I am looking for the connection of Alice Hansard who married Sir John Belasyse (occurs 1304-1365) of Henknoll, Durham. I've seen her listed as son of Robert who m Margaret Gascoigne and Surtees says she is dau of Richard who m Joan Aske. These dates when compared to your dates don't seem to fit right. It seems that she married a man much older than she. Not impossible, but I wonder if maybe she doesn't belong earlier in the pedigree. Have you turned up anything about her? Thanks. Mardi
TJ Booth
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On Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:00 AM, John Watson wrote :
<Snip>
Much appreciate your extended pedigree - good work, thanks for sharing, and
thanks for re-opening interest in a family discussed by Ravilious, Bevan and
others over a decade ago.
My suggested additions to the pedigree is in 2 parts. Hopefully the last
part, with proofs of some later wives and added dates - will be done before
a two week vacation tomorrow.
Finally found Surtees Vol 3 pedigree for Hansard - internet archives is
issing the Hansard section but british history has it [A]. Your pedigree ith
its added citations largely confirms Surtees' version for 1.1.1.1.2 Robert
Hansard and his decendants, including the four Richard Hansards starting
with Richard m. Joan Aske. Of special note, the 1311 records you found where
Gilbert grants South Kelsey and Walworth to 'my son Robert', [B] trumps
Surtees' version that Robert's father was named John.
Of interest, additional documentation noted below supports Douglas
Richardson's 2001 [C] suggestion that a Hansard Columbers marriage likely
provides a Charlemagne ancestry for later Hansards. Not noted then, it also
provides two different Henry I ancestries for them.[D]
Corrections welcomed - and again thanks for starting this thread.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
It is difficult to overlook Surtees' charter evidence that Gilbert Hansard I
was the son of Maldred and brother of Robert Fitz Maldred. [E] While wills
sometimes turn brother-in-laws into brothers, unless Surtees' charter has
problems, it would seem better evidence. A Rosie Bevan 2002 post also
discussed this, suggesting Gilbert had a different mother than Fitz Maldred
(else Gilbert would be marrying his own mother). [F] This likely makes
Gilbert older than Fitz Maldred.
> 1.1 Gilbert Hansard ca. ca.1178 - ca.1223
> Gilbert probably came of age before 22 September 1199, when King John
> confirmed to Gilbert son of Gilbert Hansard and his heirs all the
> lands held by his father, namely, the gift of Hugh Bishop of Durham of
> the vills of Evenwood, Morley, Walworth, Kimblesworth, Blacktoft and
> Hook, Hornby and Irby. The gift of William Ingram, the vill of
> Welbury. The gift of Adam de Montbegon of land in Kelsey, Thornton and
> Bestrope. The gift of Jordan Hairun and Agnes his wife of the vill of
> Hurworth and the vill of Chereton. The gift of William Vesci and John
> constable of Chester of the vills of Worsall, Landmoth and all the
> Elmdens. The gift of William de Vesci of the services of Robert
> Escolland. The gift of the abbot and convent of Thornton of 4 bovates
> in Kelsey. The gift of Hugh fitz Pinchun of land in Durham. [4].
>
> Gilbert was alive in 1221 when he presented to the rectory of Thornton-
> le-Moor, Lincolnshire, but was dead in 1223 [1].
>
> The name of his wife is not known. He had at least one son, John.
>
> 1.1.1 John Hansard ca.1205 - ca.1253
> John Hansard married before November 1233, Maud, niece of Roger de
> Mowbray, whose parentage is uncertain [5].
On 9 Nov 1252 he, as Sir John, and Gilbert his son, were witnesses to a
charter. [G]
> He was alive in January 1253, when he was a witness to a charter in Durham
> [6].
>
> A clue to his wife's ancestry could be that in 1242, John Hansard held
> a fee in Bozeat, Northamptonshire of Henry de Hastings [7].
[Comment. John Ravilious suggested she was a dau of William Mowbray (the MC
Surety) d. 1224 by Avice/Agnes [d'Aubigny], and granddau of Nigel the
crusader d. 1991 who m. Mabel. [G] Consistent with this is a charter dated
Nov 1233 in which Hansard's wife and her sister Mabel de Thorpel inherit
Melton from their uncle, Robert Mowbray. [H] In the same thread, Bevan cited
a record stating that William and Robert were sons of Nigel. The thread
indicates they were unaware of your record, which involves Thirsk, and Sir
Nigel was of Thirsk and also had a son Roger. The chronology is also
appropriate. Conjecture isn't proof, but a preponderance of the evidence
indicates that her father was William.]
His wife was most likely the daughter of William de Mowbray, d. 1224, the MC
Surety.
> John and Maud had at least two sons; Gilbert and Robert.
>
> 1.1.1.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1225 - 1291
> In October 1253 Gilbert had licence to hunt hares, foxes and cats with
> his dogs in Northamptonshire [8]. In June 1275 his manor of Bozeat,
> Northamptonshire was taken into the king's hand after he alienated it
> without licence [9]. In November 1265, the king gave him the custody
> of the soke of Caistor [10].
>
> Gilbert appears to have married twice, by his first wife whose name is
> not known, he had one at least one son; John. In August 1270 he fined
> 400 marks for the wardship and marriage of Anastasia, second daughter
> of Ralph son of Ranulph, of Middleham castle, Yorkshire, [11] who he
> married to his son John.
>
> He married secondly, shortly before November 1270, Joan daughter of
> Philip de Columbers IV (d. 1262) and his wife Egelina de Courtenay
> [12]. By his second wife he appears to have had two sons; Robert and
> Gilbert.
[Comment. The Feet of Fines date is 12 Nov 1272 (57 Hen III), and it does
not mention the name of Egelina's father. Some added research is able to
confirm her parentage however - perhaps you did much of it but didn't put in
here. This paragraph can be expanded to :]
He married secondly, shortly before 12 Nov 1272,[I] or [12] Joan the
daughter of Philip de Columbers IV (d. bef 21 Sep 1261) [J] and his wife
Egelina de Courtenay (d. aft 1284).[K] Egelina's maritagium was Batesford
Suffolk, which her father Robert had purchased from Philip III de
Columbers.[L] Egelina's parents were most likely Robert de Courtenay (d. 26
Jul 1242), Lord of Okehampton, and Marie de Vernon, each of whom is a
descendant of Henry I. [M]
> In early 1291 he granted the manors of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-
> Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham to his son Robert
> [13].
> He appears to have died shortly after these grants.
He was certainly d. by In 1303, when South Kelsey, co. Lincoln was held by
Robert Hansard, that John (likely referring to his grandfather) had held.
[N]
in 1346, as the widow of Gilbert, held Thornton, co. Lincoln, that Roger de
Asterby had held,.[O] and who
> was still alive in 1349 [22]. They had one son; Robert.
>
> 1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1325 - ?
> I can find very little information on this Sir Robert. He was knighted
> before 1349 [22]. According to Robert Surtees' pedigree of the family
> he married Beatrice and has one son Robert [23].
He was an adult in 1346, when South Kelsey was held by Robert son of Gilbert
Hansard. [P]
[Comment. The 1391 will and 1395 IPM for 'Robert Hansard' are most likely
for 2 different people, father and son. The 1391 will notes over a half
dozen children, does mention a son Robert, but doesn't mention a son
Richard. The 1395 IPM does mention a son Richard, who is the heir. Given the
great number of children noted in the 1391 will, the failure to mention
Richard - certainly then alive - is otherwise in need of good explanation
(though I've not seen the 1395 IPM).]
> 1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1350 - 1391
> Again, not a lot is known about this Robert Hansard. He is said by
> Surtees to have married Margaret, daughter of William Gacoigne, but
> which William Gascoigne is not clear.
>
> He left a will dated 26 January 1391 and proved on 14 February. To be
> buried in the church of the Friars Preachers in York, before the high
> altar. Mentions son Gilbert, son Robert, unmarried daughter Joan,
> daughter Margaret, son John, son William and daughter Margery [24].
> His inquisition post mortem for Durham held at Darlington on 29 April
> 1395 found that Richard, aged 18, is his son and next heir [25].
>
> 1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard Hansard 1377 - 25 Nov 1428
> Richard Hansard was knighted before 1402. He married before February
> 1391 Joan, daughter of John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 1395) and Joan de
> Shelvestrode.
>
> According to an inscription in the church of South Kelsey he died on
> 25 November 1428 [26].
The arms on the inscription are Hansard impaling Aske.
> Joan was still alive in April 1440, when she is
> mentioned in the will of her sister Alice [27].
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Footnotes
---------
[A] Robert Surtees; 'Parish of Heighington', The History and Antiquities of
the County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards
(1823), pp. 303-324. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76362 " [For some
reason, Internet Archives website copy of Volume 3 lacks these pages]
[B] Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register of
Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) pp. 1234-7. URL:
books.google.com/books?id=T_sKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1234
[C] archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-07/0995128255
[D] Per the pedigree, 1.1.1.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard m.(2) Joan dau of Egeline
de Courtenay. As documented later herein, Egeline's parents were Robert de
Courtenay and Mary de Vernon. Each of them has a Henry I and other royal
ancestry, as shown in AR8 lines 50 (they are #50-28) and 138 (#138-27).
[E] Footnote 69 in Robert Surtees; op.cit.; pp. 303-324. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76362 "Omnibus, &c.
Robertus fil. Rogeri. Noverit universitas vestra mededisse, &c. Deo et S.
Cudberto de Dunelmia totam terram de Foletiby. T. Will'o filio Roscelini,
Colino de Dammevill, Henr. de Nevill, Roberto fil. Meldredi, Gileberto
Hansard fratri suo,"
[F] Rosie Bevan; Liber Vitae and the family of Roger and Ida Bigod; 31 Jul
2002. archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2002-07/1028113301
[G] Calendar Charter Rolls; Henry III Vol I (1226-1257); London; PRO; 1903;
page 409 URL: books.google.com/books?id=HVvSAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA409
[H] John Ravilious; Mowbray Ancestry of Camoys and Hansard: a Conjecture; 19
Jun 2007; URL:
archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-06/1182272899 .
Among the items cited is a 1233 Fine Roll where Hansard's wife Maud is
co-heir of lands in Melton from her uncle Robert Mowbray, and a charter in
which William is shown with a younger brother, Robert. The 1233 fine is also
in Excerpta E Rotulis Finium in Curri Londinensi Henry III; Vol I 1216-1246;
London; PRO; 1835; page 251. URL:
books.google.com/books?id=umuxDVUdC-cC&pg=PA251
[I] C.W. Foster; 'Final Concords for diverse counties: Henry III', Final
Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp. 280-294. URL:
british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=53639
[J] J.E.E.S. Sharp; 'Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry III Vol I;
PRO; 1904; pp. 143-149. URL: british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=108022
[K] Maxwell Lyte editor; Inquisitions and Assessments Relating to Feudal
Aides; Vol III (Kent-Norfolk); London; 1904; page 138
(Northampton-Somerset); London; 1906; page 274 @
books.google.com/books?id=I8dCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA274 . She also outlived their
oldest son, Philip V, whose IPM is dated 17 Apr 1277 (Calendar of
Inquisitions Post Mortem; Edw I Vol II; PRO; 1906; page 133 @
books.google.com/books?id=rbYKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA133)
[L] Op.Cit.; Sharp; Inquisitions Post Mortem; page 143-149.
[M] No source document entirely confirms this, but the evidence is quite
compelling. The name of Egeline's father is not in question, only his
placement. But the name Egeline is both rare and unique to this Courtenay
family (a great aunt and a niece both shared that name). Robert's placement
also seems clear from several CP charts (X:317, 335, 673), and his
chronology works well. A Courtenay pedigree for these generations, prepared
by A.S. Ellis, shows Egeline m. Columbers as dau of Robert m. Mary de
Vernon - see A.S. Ellis; 'Notes. Reginald de Courtenay'; Notes and Queries;
Sixth Series Vol 3 (Jan-June 1881); page 2. URL
books.google.com/books?id=YZKE_wpQImUC&pg=PA2.
[N] Maxwell Lyte editor; Inquisitions and Assessments Relating to Feudal
Aides; Vol III (Kent-Norfolk); London; 1904; page 138. URL:
books.google.com/books?id=wSkMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA138
[O] Ibid.; page 215.
[P] Ibid.; page 214.
<Snip>
> Please see below an outline pedigree of the family of Hansard. I would
> be grateful for any corrections or additions.
<Snip>
> be grateful for any corrections or additions.
Much appreciate your extended pedigree - good work, thanks for sharing, and
thanks for re-opening interest in a family discussed by Ravilious, Bevan and
others over a decade ago.
My suggested additions to the pedigree is in 2 parts. Hopefully the last
part, with proofs of some later wives and added dates - will be done before
a two week vacation tomorrow.
Finally found Surtees Vol 3 pedigree for Hansard - internet archives is
issing the Hansard section but british history has it [A]. Your pedigree ith
its added citations largely confirms Surtees' version for 1.1.1.1.2 Robert
Hansard and his decendants, including the four Richard Hansards starting
with Richard m. Joan Aske. Of special note, the 1311 records you found where
Gilbert grants South Kelsey and Walworth to 'my son Robert', [B] trumps
Surtees' version that Robert's father was named John.
Of interest, additional documentation noted below supports Douglas
Richardson's 2001 [C] suggestion that a Hansard Columbers marriage likely
provides a Charlemagne ancestry for later Hansards. Not noted then, it also
provides two different Henry I ancestries for them.[D]
Corrections welcomed - and again thanks for starting this thread.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
was the son of Maldred and brother of Robert Fitz Maldred. [E] While wills
sometimes turn brother-in-laws into brothers, unless Surtees' charter has
problems, it would seem better evidence. A Rosie Bevan 2002 post also
discussed this, suggesting Gilbert had a different mother than Fitz Maldred
(else Gilbert would be marrying his own mother). [F] This likely makes
Gilbert older than Fitz Maldred.
> 1.1 Gilbert Hansard ca. ca.1178 - ca.1223
> Gilbert probably came of age before 22 September 1199, when King John
> confirmed to Gilbert son of Gilbert Hansard and his heirs all the
> lands held by his father, namely, the gift of Hugh Bishop of Durham of
> the vills of Evenwood, Morley, Walworth, Kimblesworth, Blacktoft and
> Hook, Hornby and Irby. The gift of William Ingram, the vill of
> Welbury. The gift of Adam de Montbegon of land in Kelsey, Thornton and
> Bestrope. The gift of Jordan Hairun and Agnes his wife of the vill of
> Hurworth and the vill of Chereton. The gift of William Vesci and John
> constable of Chester of the vills of Worsall, Landmoth and all the
> Elmdens. The gift of William de Vesci of the services of Robert
> Escolland. The gift of the abbot and convent of Thornton of 4 bovates
> in Kelsey. The gift of Hugh fitz Pinchun of land in Durham. [4].
>
> Gilbert was alive in 1221 when he presented to the rectory of Thornton-
> le-Moor, Lincolnshire, but was dead in 1223 [1].
>
> The name of his wife is not known. He had at least one son, John.
>
> 1.1.1 John Hansard ca.1205 - ca.1253
> John Hansard married before November 1233, Maud, niece of Roger de
> Mowbray, whose parentage is uncertain [5].
charter. [G]
> He was alive in January 1253, when he was a witness to a charter in Durham
> [6].
>
> A clue to his wife's ancestry could be that in 1242, John Hansard held
> a fee in Bozeat, Northamptonshire of Henry de Hastings [7].
Surety) d. 1224 by Avice/Agnes [d'Aubigny], and granddau of Nigel the
crusader d. 1991 who m. Mabel. [G] Consistent with this is a charter dated
Nov 1233 in which Hansard's wife and her sister Mabel de Thorpel inherit
Melton from their uncle, Robert Mowbray. [H] In the same thread, Bevan cited
a record stating that William and Robert were sons of Nigel. The thread
indicates they were unaware of your record, which involves Thirsk, and Sir
Nigel was of Thirsk and also had a son Roger. The chronology is also
appropriate. Conjecture isn't proof, but a preponderance of the evidence
indicates that her father was William.]
His wife was most likely the daughter of William de Mowbray, d. 1224, the MC
Surety.
> John and Maud had at least two sons; Gilbert and Robert.
>
> 1.1.1.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1225 - 1291
> In October 1253 Gilbert had licence to hunt hares, foxes and cats with
> his dogs in Northamptonshire [8]. In June 1275 his manor of Bozeat,
> Northamptonshire was taken into the king's hand after he alienated it
> without licence [9]. In November 1265, the king gave him the custody
> of the soke of Caistor [10].
>
> Gilbert appears to have married twice, by his first wife whose name is
> not known, he had one at least one son; John. In August 1270 he fined
> 400 marks for the wardship and marriage of Anastasia, second daughter
> of Ralph son of Ranulph, of Middleham castle, Yorkshire, [11] who he
> married to his son John.
>
> He married secondly, shortly before November 1270, Joan daughter of
> Philip de Columbers IV (d. 1262) and his wife Egelina de Courtenay
> [12]. By his second wife he appears to have had two sons; Robert and
> Gilbert.
not mention the name of Egelina's father. Some added research is able to
confirm her parentage however - perhaps you did much of it but didn't put in
here. This paragraph can be expanded to :]
He married secondly, shortly before 12 Nov 1272,[I] or [12] Joan the
daughter of Philip de Columbers IV (d. bef 21 Sep 1261) [J] and his wife
Egelina de Courtenay (d. aft 1284).[K] Egelina's maritagium was Batesford
Suffolk, which her father Robert had purchased from Philip III de
Columbers.[L] Egelina's parents were most likely Robert de Courtenay (d. 26
Jul 1242), Lord of Okehampton, and Marie de Vernon, each of whom is a
descendant of Henry I. [M]
> In early 1291 he granted the manors of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-
> Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham to his son Robert
> [13].
> He appears to have died shortly after these grants.
Robert Hansard, that John (likely referring to his grandfather) had held.
[N]
Asterby had held,.[O] and who
> was still alive in 1349 [22]. They had one son; Robert.
>
> 1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1325 - ?
> I can find very little information on this Sir Robert. He was knighted
> before 1349 [22]. According to Robert Surtees' pedigree of the family
> he married Beatrice and has one son Robert [23].
Hansard. [P]
[Comment. The 1391 will and 1395 IPM for 'Robert Hansard' are most likely
for 2 different people, father and son. The 1391 will notes over a half
dozen children, does mention a son Robert, but doesn't mention a son
Richard. The 1395 IPM does mention a son Richard, who is the heir. Given the
great number of children noted in the 1391 will, the failure to mention
Richard - certainly then alive - is otherwise in need of good explanation
(though I've not seen the 1395 IPM).]
> 1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1350 - 1391
> Again, not a lot is known about this Robert Hansard. He is said by
> Surtees to have married Margaret, daughter of William Gacoigne, but
> which William Gascoigne is not clear.
>
> He left a will dated 26 January 1391 and proved on 14 February. To be
> buried in the church of the Friars Preachers in York, before the high
> altar. Mentions son Gilbert, son Robert, unmarried daughter Joan,
> daughter Margaret, son John, son William and daughter Margery [24].
> His inquisition post mortem for Durham held at Darlington on 29 April
> 1395 found that Richard, aged 18, is his son and next heir [25].
>
> 1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Sir Richard Hansard 1377 - 25 Nov 1428
> Richard Hansard was knighted before 1402. He married before February
> 1391 Joan, daughter of John Aske of Ousthorpe (d. 1395) and Joan de
> Shelvestrode.
>
> According to an inscription in the church of South Kelsey he died on
> 25 November 1428 [26].
> Joan was still alive in April 1440, when she is
> mentioned in the will of her sister Alice [27].
Footnotes
---------
[A] Robert Surtees; 'Parish of Heighington', The History and Antiquities of
the County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards
(1823), pp. 303-324. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76362 " [For some
reason, Internet Archives website copy of Volume 3 lacks these pages]
[B] Thomas Duffus Hardy, Registrum Palatinum Dunelmense: The Register of
Richard de Kellawe, 1314-1316, Vol. 2 (1874) pp. 1234-7. URL:
books.google.com/books?id=T_sKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1234
[C] archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2001-07/0995128255
[D] Per the pedigree, 1.1.1.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard m.(2) Joan dau of Egeline
de Courtenay. As documented later herein, Egeline's parents were Robert de
Courtenay and Mary de Vernon. Each of them has a Henry I and other royal
ancestry, as shown in AR8 lines 50 (they are #50-28) and 138 (#138-27).
[E] Footnote 69 in Robert Surtees; op.cit.; pp. 303-324. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76362 "Omnibus, &c.
Robertus fil. Rogeri. Noverit universitas vestra mededisse, &c. Deo et S.
Cudberto de Dunelmia totam terram de Foletiby. T. Will'o filio Roscelini,
Colino de Dammevill, Henr. de Nevill, Roberto fil. Meldredi, Gileberto
Hansard fratri suo,"
[F] Rosie Bevan; Liber Vitae and the family of Roger and Ida Bigod; 31 Jul
2002. archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2002-07/1028113301
[G] Calendar Charter Rolls; Henry III Vol I (1226-1257); London; PRO; 1903;
page 409 URL: books.google.com/books?id=HVvSAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA409
[H] John Ravilious; Mowbray Ancestry of Camoys and Hansard: a Conjecture; 19
Jun 2007; URL:
archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2007-06/1182272899 .
Among the items cited is a 1233 Fine Roll where Hansard's wife Maud is
co-heir of lands in Melton from her uncle Robert Mowbray, and a charter in
which William is shown with a younger brother, Robert. The 1233 fine is also
in Excerpta E Rotulis Finium in Curri Londinensi Henry III; Vol I 1216-1246;
London; PRO; 1835; page 251. URL:
books.google.com/books?id=umuxDVUdC-cC&pg=PA251
[I] C.W. Foster; 'Final Concords for diverse counties: Henry III', Final
Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp. 280-294. URL:
british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=53639
[J] J.E.E.S. Sharp; 'Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry III Vol I;
PRO; 1904; pp. 143-149. URL: british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=108022
[K] Maxwell Lyte editor; Inquisitions and Assessments Relating to Feudal
Aides; Vol III (Kent-Norfolk); London; 1904; page 138
(Northampton-Somerset); London; 1906; page 274 @
books.google.com/books?id=I8dCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA274 . She also outlived their
oldest son, Philip V, whose IPM is dated 17 Apr 1277 (Calendar of
Inquisitions Post Mortem; Edw I Vol II; PRO; 1906; page 133 @
books.google.com/books?id=rbYKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA133)
[L] Op.Cit.; Sharp; Inquisitions Post Mortem; page 143-149.
[M] No source document entirely confirms this, but the evidence is quite
compelling. The name of Egeline's father is not in question, only his
placement. But the name Egeline is both rare and unique to this Courtenay
family (a great aunt and a niece both shared that name). Robert's placement
also seems clear from several CP charts (X:317, 335, 673), and his
chronology works well. A Courtenay pedigree for these generations, prepared
by A.S. Ellis, shows Egeline m. Columbers as dau of Robert m. Mary de
Vernon - see A.S. Ellis; 'Notes. Reginald de Courtenay'; Notes and Queries;
Sixth Series Vol 3 (Jan-June 1881); page 2. URL
books.google.com/books?id=YZKE_wpQImUC&pg=PA2.
[N] Maxwell Lyte editor; Inquisitions and Assessments Relating to Feudal
Aides; Vol III (Kent-Norfolk); London; 1904; page 138. URL:
books.google.com/books?id=wSkMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA138
[O] Ibid.; page 215.
[P] Ibid.; page 214.
John Watson
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On Jan 31, 1:53 am, "TJ Booth" <tjbo...@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Terry - thanks for your useful comments. My comments in-line below.
Corrections welcomed - and again thanks for starting this thread.
>
> Terry Booth
> Chicago IL
Surtees charter evidence is: “Omnibus, &c. Robertus fil. Rogeri. Noverit universitas vestra mededisse, &c. Deo et S. Cudberto de Dunelmia totam terram de Foletiby. T. Will'o filio Roscelini, Colino de Dammevill, Henr. de Nevill, Roberto fil. Meldredi, Gileberto Hansard fratri suo,” &c. 2a, 4tæ Spec. D. and C. Treas.
Robert fitz Meldred and Gilbert Hansard his brother - makes perfect sense.
> [Comment. John Ravilious suggested she was a dau of William Mowbray (the MC
> Surety) d. 1224 by Avice/Agnes [d'Aubigny], and granddau of Nigel the
> crusader d. 1991 who m. Mabel. [G] Consistent with this is a charter dated
> Nov 1233 in which Hansard's wife and her sister Mabel de Thorpel inherit
> Melton from their uncle, Robert Mowbray. [H] In the same thread, Bevan cited
> a record stating that William and Robert were sons of Nigel. The thread
> indicates they were unaware of your record, which involves Thirsk, and Sir
> Nigel was of Thirsk and also had a son Roger. The chronology is also
> appropriate. Conjecture isn't proof, but a preponderance of the evidence
> indicates that her father was William.]
>
> His wife was most likely the daughter of William de Mowbray, d. 1224, the MC
> Surety.
The Fine Roll entry that was discussed in sgm in 2002 was the same one I mentioned in my post. In full it says:
10 November 1233, For John Haunsard’. John Haunsard’ and Matilda, his wife, and Mabel of Torpel, have made fine with the king by £20 for having seisin of the land formerly of Robert de Mowbray, uncle of Matilda and Mabel, in Melton, which falls to them by inheritance. Order to P. de Rivallis that, having accepted security etc., he is to cause John, Matilda and Mabel to have full seisin of all of the aforesaid land with appurtenances, of which Robert was seised on the day he died.
I am not so familiar with this part of the Mowbray family - I defer to John Ravilious' superior knowledge here, but Maud and Mabel could just as easily be daughters of a Mowbray daughter.
> [Comment. The Feet of Fines date is 12 Nov 1272 (57 Hen III), and it does
> not mention the name of Egelina's father. Some added research is able to
> confirm her parentage however - perhaps you did much of it but didn't put in
> here. This paragraph can be expanded to :]
>
> He married secondly, shortly before 12 Nov 1272,[I] or [12] Joan the
> daughter of Philip de Columbers IV (d. bef 21 Sep 1261) [J] and his wife
> Egelina de Courtenay (d. aft 1284).[K] Egelina's maritagium was Batesford
> Suffolk, which her father Robert had purchased from Philip III de
> Columbers.[L] Egelina's parents were most likely Robert de Courtenay (d. 26
> Jul 1242), Lord of Okehampton, and Marie de Vernon, each of whom is a
> descendant of Henry I. [M]
Before I made the post, I did a quick Google search for Egelina de Columbers and found:
William Farrer, Honors and Knight's Fees, Vol. 2, p. 139
http://books.google.com/books?id=3GO7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA139
also Complete Peerage, Vol. 3, p. 377
http://archive.org/stream/completepeerageo03coka#page/377/mode/1up
I haven't looked any further back into the Columbers/Courtenay ancestry yet - job for next week.
In 1291-2, Joan the widow of Gilbert Haunsard (Johanna quae fuit uxor Gilberti Haunsard) claimed at an assize against John de Lythegranes and Alice his wife, for a third part of the manor of High Worsall; against the abbot of Rievaulx, for a third part of a fishery in the river Tees; against John son of Gilbert Haunsard, for a third part of 3 carucates of land, 20 acres of pasture and 40s. rent in Hornby and Thorpe Parva; against Gilbert son of Gilbert Haunsard for a third part of 20 bovates of land, a mill and 30s. rent in Hornby; against Thomas de Clervaulx (Claris Vallibus) for a third part of 6s. 8d. rent in Landmoth; against Roger de Moubray for a third part of 10 marks rent in Thirsk, as dower.
Surtees Society, Vol. 83, Cartularium Abbathiae Rievalle (1889) pp. 411-2, No. 92
http://archive.org/stream/cartulariumabbath83surtuoft#page/411/mode/1up
> > 1.1.1.1.2.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1300 - 1339
> > Almost nothing seems to known about this Sir Gilbert. He died before
> > 26 July 1339 when Queen Isabella presented John de Hull priest to
> > Thornton-le-Moor, Lincolnshire, in right of her wardship of Robert son
> > and heir of Sir Gilbert Hansard [21].
>
> > He married Lora, who in 1346, as the widow of Gilbert, held Thornton, co. Lincoln, that Roger de
> Asterby had held,.[O] and who was still alive in 1349 [22]. They had one son; Robert.
Update - Gilbert died between April 1333 and September 1334:
Final concord of 7 April 1333 between Gilbert Hansard and Lora his wife, and Robert de Themetleye and Thomas de Greingham and, after Gilbert's death, on 22 September 1334, again between the remaining parties about Newton and Embleton manors.
Durham Cathedral Muniments: Locelli, Loc.V:28
reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ead/dcd/dcdlocel.xml
6 May 1366, Writing of Sir Ralph de Neville of Raby knight, being the defeasance of a bond whereby Philip de Lymbury knight, Richard de Ravensere clerk and William de Hoton are bound to him in 500l., upon condition that the said Ralph shall have and peaceably hold for his life the manor of Walleworth in the bishopric of Durham, which he lately had for life of the gift and feoffment of Sir Richard le Scrope and the said Sir Philip knights, John de Cotyngham parson of North Cave and Thomas de Wakerfeld parson of Horslee, without being impleaded, ejected or unduly suffering loss by the heirs of Sir Robert de Haunsard knight or any of them, but shall by the said Philip, Richard and William be saved harmless against them. Dated Westminster, 6 May 40 Edward III.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 12: 1364-1369 (1910), pp. 267-274
> > 1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1350 - 1391
> > Again, not a lot is known about this Robert Hansard. He is said by
> > Surtees to have married Margaret, daughter of William Gacoigne, but
> > which William Gascoigne is not clear.
Update - in considering the chronology, this Margaret must have been the daughter of William Gascoigne and his wife Agnes Frank, but I have found absolutely no evidence that she existed.
Update - 13 June 1373, Charter of Robert Haunsard, giving with warranty to Sir Richard de Ravenser archdeacon of Lincoln, John de Ravenser clerk, William de Hoton and John de Wythornewyk clerk, their heirs and assigns, his manor of Blaktoft co. York, all his lands, rents and services in Southkelsay and elsewhere in Lincolnshire, the advowson of Thorneton co. Lincoln, and all his lands, rents and services, and the reversions of tenants whatsoever in Yorkshire; and grant with like warranty of the reversion of the manor of Southkelsay, now held of his heritage by John de Rocheford knight and Beatrice his wife during the life of the said Beatrice with reversion to the said Robert and to his heirs. Witnesses: Thomas de Sutton, John de Hothom, Simon de Heslarton, Gerard de Lound knights. James de Raygate, John de Aske, Peter Ughtred, Edmund de Kyllingwyk, Adam Coppendale of Beverley, John Tyrwhit of the same. Dated Beverley, 13 June 47 Edward III.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 13: 1369-1374 (1911), pp. 570-584
Was this Beatrice, wife of John de Rochford, the mother of Robert son of Robert Hansard and now re-married?
Regards,
John
Hi Terry - thanks for your useful comments. My comments in-line below.
Corrections welcomed - and again thanks for starting this thread.
>
> Terry Booth
> Chicago IL
> It is difficult to overlook Surtees' charter evidence that Gilbert Hansard I
> was the son of Maldred and brother of Robert Fitz Maldred. [E] While wills
> sometimes turn brother-in-laws into brothers, unless Surtees' charter has
> problems, it would seem better evidence. A Rosie Bevan 2002 post also
> discussed this, suggesting Gilbert had a different mother than Fitz Maldred
> (else Gilbert would be marrying his own mother). [F] This likely makes
> Gilbert older than Fitz Maldred.
I don't understand people's difficulties with this, I thought it was sorted out years ago. Joan de Stuteville married firstly Meldred fitz Dolfin. They had a son; Robert fitz Meldred, born about 1173-5. Meldred died some time between 1175 and 1178. Joan married secondly Gilbert Hansard I. They had a son Gilbert Hansard II, born between 1175 and 1178. Gilbert Hansard I died between 1183 and 1185. Thus Robert fitz Meldred and Gilbert Hansard II were HALF brothers, i.e. they had the same mother but different fathers.
> was the son of Maldred and brother of Robert Fitz Maldred. [E] While wills
> sometimes turn brother-in-laws into brothers, unless Surtees' charter has
> problems, it would seem better evidence. A Rosie Bevan 2002 post also
> discussed this, suggesting Gilbert had a different mother than Fitz Maldred
> (else Gilbert would be marrying his own mother). [F] This likely makes
> Gilbert older than Fitz Maldred.
Surtees charter evidence is: “Omnibus, &c. Robertus fil. Rogeri. Noverit universitas vestra mededisse, &c. Deo et S. Cudberto de Dunelmia totam terram de Foletiby. T. Will'o filio Roscelini, Colino de Dammevill, Henr. de Nevill, Roberto fil. Meldredi, Gileberto Hansard fratri suo,” &c. 2a, 4tæ Spec. D. and C. Treas.
'Parish of Heighington', The History and Antiquities of the County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards (1823), pp. 303-324.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76362 Footnote 69
Robert fitz Meldred and Gilbert Hansard his brother - makes perfect sense.
> [Comment. John Ravilious suggested she was a dau of William Mowbray (the MC
> Surety) d. 1224 by Avice/Agnes [d'Aubigny], and granddau of Nigel the
> crusader d. 1991 who m. Mabel. [G] Consistent with this is a charter dated
> Nov 1233 in which Hansard's wife and her sister Mabel de Thorpel inherit
> Melton from their uncle, Robert Mowbray. [H] In the same thread, Bevan cited
> a record stating that William and Robert were sons of Nigel. The thread
> indicates they were unaware of your record, which involves Thirsk, and Sir
> Nigel was of Thirsk and also had a son Roger. The chronology is also
> appropriate. Conjecture isn't proof, but a preponderance of the evidence
> indicates that her father was William.]
>
> His wife was most likely the daughter of William de Mowbray, d. 1224, the MC
> Surety.
10 November 1233, For John Haunsard’. John Haunsard’ and Matilda, his wife, and Mabel of Torpel, have made fine with the king by £20 for having seisin of the land formerly of Robert de Mowbray, uncle of Matilda and Mabel, in Melton, which falls to them by inheritance. Order to P. de Rivallis that, having accepted security etc., he is to cause John, Matilda and Mabel to have full seisin of all of the aforesaid land with appurtenances, of which Robert was seised on the day he died.
Calendar of Fine Rolls 18 Henry III, No. 29
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/content/calendar/roll_033.html
I am not so familiar with this part of the Mowbray family - I defer to John Ravilious' superior knowledge here, but Maud and Mabel could just as easily be daughters of a Mowbray daughter.
> [Comment. The Feet of Fines date is 12 Nov 1272 (57 Hen III), and it does
> not mention the name of Egelina's father. Some added research is able to
> confirm her parentage however - perhaps you did much of it but didn't put in
> here. This paragraph can be expanded to :]
>
> He married secondly, shortly before 12 Nov 1272,[I] or [12] Joan the
> daughter of Philip de Columbers IV (d. bef 21 Sep 1261) [J] and his wife
> Egelina de Courtenay (d. aft 1284).[K] Egelina's maritagium was Batesford
> Suffolk, which her father Robert had purchased from Philip III de
> Columbers.[L] Egelina's parents were most likely Robert de Courtenay (d. 26
> Jul 1242), Lord of Okehampton, and Marie de Vernon, each of whom is a
> descendant of Henry I. [M]
William Farrer, Honors and Knight's Fees, Vol. 2, p. 139
http://books.google.com/books?id=3GO7AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA139
also Complete Peerage, Vol. 3, p. 377
http://archive.org/stream/completepeerageo03coka#page/377/mode/1up
I haven't looked any further back into the Columbers/Courtenay ancestry yet - job for next week.
>
> > In early 1291 he granted the manors of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-
> > Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham to his son Robert
> > [13].
> > He appears to have died shortly after these grants.
>
> He was certainly d. by In 1303, when South Kelsey, co. Lincoln was held by
> Robert Hansard, that John (likely referring to his grandfather) had held.
> [N]
Gilbert was certainly dead in 1291-2 (20 Edw. I) when Joan his widow claimed dower in the manor of Blacktoft from Robert son of Gilbert Hansard.
> > In early 1291 he granted the manors of South Kelsey and Thornton-le-
> > Moor, Lincolnshire and the manor of Walworth, Durham to his son Robert
> > [13].
> > He appears to have died shortly after these grants.
>
> He was certainly d. by In 1303, when South Kelsey, co. Lincoln was held by
> Robert Hansard, that John (likely referring to his grandfather) had held.
> [N]
Surtees Society, Vol. 83, Cartularium Abbathiae Rievalle (1889) p. 215n, citing Assize Rolls, Ebor., 20 Edw. I., N. 1., 13-3, fo. 32
http://archive.org/stream/cartulariumabbath83surtuoft#page/215/mode/1up
In 1291-2, Joan the widow of Gilbert Haunsard (Johanna quae fuit uxor Gilberti Haunsard) claimed at an assize against John de Lythegranes and Alice his wife, for a third part of the manor of High Worsall; against the abbot of Rievaulx, for a third part of a fishery in the river Tees; against John son of Gilbert Haunsard, for a third part of 3 carucates of land, 20 acres of pasture and 40s. rent in Hornby and Thorpe Parva; against Gilbert son of Gilbert Haunsard for a third part of 20 bovates of land, a mill and 30s. rent in Hornby; against Thomas de Clervaulx (Claris Vallibus) for a third part of 6s. 8d. rent in Landmoth; against Roger de Moubray for a third part of 10 marks rent in Thirsk, as dower.
Surtees Society, Vol. 83, Cartularium Abbathiae Rievalle (1889) pp. 411-2, No. 92
http://archive.org/stream/cartulariumabbath83surtuoft#page/411/mode/1up
> > 1.1.1.1.2.1 Sir Gilbert Hansard ca.1300 - 1339
> > Almost nothing seems to known about this Sir Gilbert. He died before
> > 26 July 1339 when Queen Isabella presented John de Hull priest to
> > Thornton-le-Moor, Lincolnshire, in right of her wardship of Robert son
> > and heir of Sir Gilbert Hansard [21].
>
> > He married Lora, who in 1346, as the widow of Gilbert, held Thornton, co. Lincoln, that Roger de
> Asterby had held,.[O] and who was still alive in 1349 [22]. They had one son; Robert.
Final concord of 7 April 1333 between Gilbert Hansard and Lora his wife, and Robert de Themetleye and Thomas de Greingham and, after Gilbert's death, on 22 September 1334, again between the remaining parties about Newton and Embleton manors.
Durham Cathedral Muniments: Locelli, Loc.V:28
reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ead/dcd/dcdlocel.xml
>
> > 1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1325 - ?
> > I can find very little information on this Sir Robert. He was knighted
> > before 1349 [22]. According to Robert Surtees' pedigree of the family
> > he married Beatrice and has one son Robert [23].
>
> He was an adult in 1346, when South Kelsey was held by Robert son of Gilbert
> Hansard. [P]
>
> [Comment. The 1391 will and 1395 IPM for 'Robert Hansard' are most likely
> for 2 different people, father and son. The 1391 will notes over a half
> dozen children, does mention a son Robert, but doesn't mention a son
> Richard. The 1395 IPM does mention a son Richard, who is the heir. Given the
> great number of children noted in the 1391 will, the failure to mention
> Richard - certainly then alive - is otherwise in need of good explanation
> (though I've not seen the 1395 IPM).]
The Durham ipms in the 44th and 45th Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records are only brief summaries so its difficult to tell if these Roberts are the same person. Both of the books are available in Google Books, but you really have to search hard to find them. I had wondered why Robert's son and heir was not mentioned in the will of 1391 and you could well be correct that the will and the ipm are for two different people. In that case, we may need to add another Robert, since Robert son of Gilbert was dead in May 1366, when Ralph de Neville was holding Walworth, Durham for life and giving (or receiving?) warranties against actions by the heirs of Sir Robert Hansard :
> > 1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1325 - ?
> > I can find very little information on this Sir Robert. He was knighted
> > before 1349 [22]. According to Robert Surtees' pedigree of the family
> > he married Beatrice and has one son Robert [23].
>
> He was an adult in 1346, when South Kelsey was held by Robert son of Gilbert
> Hansard. [P]
>
> [Comment. The 1391 will and 1395 IPM for 'Robert Hansard' are most likely
> for 2 different people, father and son. The 1391 will notes over a half
> dozen children, does mention a son Robert, but doesn't mention a son
> Richard. The 1395 IPM does mention a son Richard, who is the heir. Given the
> great number of children noted in the 1391 will, the failure to mention
> Richard - certainly then alive - is otherwise in need of good explanation
> (though I've not seen the 1395 IPM).]
6 May 1366, Writing of Sir Ralph de Neville of Raby knight, being the defeasance of a bond whereby Philip de Lymbury knight, Richard de Ravensere clerk and William de Hoton are bound to him in 500l., upon condition that the said Ralph shall have and peaceably hold for his life the manor of Walleworth in the bishopric of Durham, which he lately had for life of the gift and feoffment of Sir Richard le Scrope and the said Sir Philip knights, John de Cotyngham parson of North Cave and Thomas de Wakerfeld parson of Horslee, without being impleaded, ejected or unduly suffering loss by the heirs of Sir Robert de Haunsard knight or any of them, but shall by the said Philip, Richard and William be saved harmless against them. Dated Westminster, 6 May 40 Edward III.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 12: 1364-1369 (1910), pp. 267-274
> > 1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Sir Robert Hansard ca.1350 - 1391
> > Again, not a lot is known about this Robert Hansard. He is said by
> > Surtees to have married Margaret, daughter of William Gacoigne, but
> > which William Gascoigne is not clear.
Update - 13 June 1373, Charter of Robert Haunsard, giving with warranty to Sir Richard de Ravenser archdeacon of Lincoln, John de Ravenser clerk, William de Hoton and John de Wythornewyk clerk, their heirs and assigns, his manor of Blaktoft co. York, all his lands, rents and services in Southkelsay and elsewhere in Lincolnshire, the advowson of Thorneton co. Lincoln, and all his lands, rents and services, and the reversions of tenants whatsoever in Yorkshire; and grant with like warranty of the reversion of the manor of Southkelsay, now held of his heritage by John de Rocheford knight and Beatrice his wife during the life of the said Beatrice with reversion to the said Robert and to his heirs. Witnesses: Thomas de Sutton, John de Hothom, Simon de Heslarton, Gerard de Lound knights. James de Raygate, John de Aske, Peter Ughtred, Edmund de Kyllingwyk, Adam Coppendale of Beverley, John Tyrwhit of the same. Dated Beverley, 13 June 47 Edward III.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III: volume 13: 1369-1374 (1911), pp. 570-584
Was this Beatrice, wife of John de Rochford, the mother of Robert son of Robert Hansard and now re-married?
Regards,
John
TJ Booth
Jan 31, 2013, 1:16:59 PM1/31/13
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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 10:47 PM, John Watson wrote :
Hi Terry - thanks for your useful comments. My comments in-line below.
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Hi Terry - thanks for your useful comments. My comments in-line below.
John, Thanks for the quick reply and insightful comments. Cannot respond for
2 weeks, and Part II with the Richard Hansard I, III, IV items will have to
wait to then.
Hopefully others will have added some insights over the next 2 weeks.
Terry Booth
Chicago IL
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