Vescy + Trussebut
Sutliff
1216 who is thought to be son of Richard de Trussebut. Roger left three
daughters, two Mauds and a Constance. It is Constance who is of interest. In
1218-19 she and her husband Warin de Vescy (and sisters and spouses)were
summoned to warrant to the abbot of Kirkstead meadow and pasture in Hatton
given the abbey by Roger de Trussebut.
Margery de Vescy, daughter of a contemporary (or same) Warin de Vescy, was
wife of Gilbert d'Aton d. 1235 of West Ayton, Yorks.
There is a Constance de Vescy, wife of Simon Warde of Esholt who is also
contemporary.
Have checked a few other sources to see if anything ties these together and
do find a mention in CP that Constance de Vescy is mentioned and that a note
mentions the above EYC citation, but is only inferred or suggested, not
identified. There may be something in Feudal Aids III:170.
Has anyone found anything more definitive?
Henry Sutliff
Doug Smith
> I notice that EYC X:75 mentions the fee of Roger de Trussebut . . .
<snip>
I do not have anything definitive, but here is the reconstruction I
have been working on. Note that the Trussbut relationships are very
sketchy.
1. Eustace1 FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester, born bef
1100 of Knaresborough, Yorkshire, England; died 10 Jul 1157 in
Consyllt, near Basingwerk, Wales, son of John "Monoculus" FITZRICHARD
and nn (---). He married (1) Beatrice de VESCI, daughter of Ivo de
VESCI Lord of Alnwick and Malton and Alda TISON; (2) abt 1128 in
Halton, Cheshire, England Agnes FitzWilliam de HALTON, born abt 1090
of Halton, Cheshire, England; died 1166, daughter of William FitzNigel
de HALTON and nn de GHENT.
Notes for Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
CP VII: 677.
CP V: 755.
Burke DEP.
Turton 95.
CP XII/2: 268-284.
Sanders, I. J. , English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
Descent, Oxford, 1960, p 103.
Clay, pps 53-55, 115, 227.
DD, pps 769, 848.
Farrer, EYC, (1916) vol III.
Children of Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
and Beatrice de VESCI were as follows:
+ 2 i William FitzEustace de2 VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland, Lord of
Alnwick.
Children of Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
and Agnes FitzWilliam de HALTON were as follows:
+ 3 i Richard2 FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton.
+ 4 ii Albreda de2 VESCI.
5 iii William de2 VESCI Rector of Barwick. Notes: Clay, pps
114-115.
Generation 2
2. William FitzEustace de2 VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland, Lord of
Alnwick (Eustace1), born abt 1125; died 1183/85. He married (1) Agnes
(---); (2) Burga de STUTEVILLE, born abt 1135 in Cottingham; died in
Knaresbourough Castle, daughter of Robert III de STUTEVILLE Sheriff of
Yorkshire, Lord of Cottingham and Helewise MURDAC; (3) nn mistress
(---).
Notes for William FitzEustace de VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland, Lord
of Alnwick
Sanders, I. J. , English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
Descent, Oxford, 1960, p 103.
DEP p 15.
Clay, pps 226-227.
DD, pps 723-724, 769.
CP XII/2 pps 268-285.
Children of William FitzEustace de VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland,
Lord of Alnwick and Agnes (---) were as follows:
6 i Maud de3 VESCI, born abt 1166 in Alnwick Castle. She married (1)
Thomas de MUSCHAMP of Wooler; (2) Adam de CARLISLE.
+ 7 ii Sybil de3 VESCI.
Children of William FitzEustace de VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland,
Lord of Alnwick and Burga de STUTEVILLE were as follows:
+ 8 i Eustache de3 VESCI Lord Vesci, MCS.
+ 9 ii Warine de3 VESCI.
Children of William FitzEustace de VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland,
Lord of Alnwick and nn mistress (---) were as follows:
10 i William de3 VESCI constable of Alnwick, died abt 1206.
3. Richard2 FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton (Eustace1), born abt 1128 of
Halton, Yorkshire, England; died bef 1163. He married in 1150 in ,
Spotborough, Yorkshire, England Albreda de LISOURES, born abt 1131 of
Halton, Yorkshire, England; died aft 1193, daughter of Robert de
LISOURES of Blythe and Albreda de LACY.
Notes for Richard FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton
CP VII: 677.
CP V: 755.
DEP, pps 309-311.
Turton, p 95.
Clay, pps 53-55.
MC 5: 156.
DD, pps 552-553, 885.
CP XII/2: 274 note d.
Farrer, EYC III, p 199.
Albreda de Lisours was a great heiress through both her parents (CP
V: 755). Her mother inherited all the Lacy estates when her uncle
Robert de Lacy, Lord of Pontefract died 21 Jun 1193 without any
children. Robert was the grandson of Ilbert de Lacy by Henry de Lacy.
His son John succeeded his step-father Robert fitz Count as constable
of Chester.
Children of Richard FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton and Albreda de
LISOURES were as follows:
+ 11 i John FitzRichard de3 LACY Constable of Chester.
+ 12 ii Roger3 FITZRICHARD 1st Lord of Warkworth.
13 iii Robert3 FITZRICHARD, born abt 1153 of England; died dsp.
+ 14 iv Mary (Sara)3 FITZRICHARD.
+ 15 v Aubrey3 FITZRICHARD.
16 vi Roger de3 LACY, born abt 1157 of Cheshire, England.
4. Albreda de2 VESCI (Eustace1), born bef 1150. She married Henry de
LACY, born abt 1108 of Pontefract, Yorkshire, England; died 1177, son
of Robert I de LACY and Maud du PERCHE.
Notes for Henry de LACY
DEP pps 309-311.
Clay, pps 114-115.
DD, p 537.
There may be a missing generation here, or Albreda may have been a
second wife.
Children of Albreda de VESCI and Henry de LACY were as follows:
17 i Robert de3 LACY of Pontefract, born 1166; died 21 Aug 1193
(dsp). He married Isabel (Mary) de WARENNE, born abt 1170 of England,
daughter of Hamelin de PLANTAGENET de Warenne, 4th Earl of Warenne and
Surrey and Isabel de WARENNE. Notes: CP (XII, pt. 1, p. 500, note
g), reports Isabella de Warenne with two marriages: one to Robert de
Lacy and the other to Gilbert de Laigle. Clay, pps 114-115. DD, p 537.
Generation 3
7. Sybil de3 VESCI (William FitzEustace de2, Eustace1). She married
Walter II de BOLEBEC Lord of Styford, died abt 1187, son of Walter I
de BOLEBEC Lord of Whitchurch and Helvisa (---).
Notes for Walter II de BOLEBEC Lord of Styford
AR 6: 246.
Children of Sybil de VESCI and Walter II de BOLEBEC Lord of Styford
were as follows:
18 i Walter III de4 BOLEBEC, died abt 1206 (dsp).
+ 19 ii Hugh I de4 BOLEBEC Lord of Styford.
8. Eustache de3 VESCI Lord Vesci, MCS (William FitzEustace de2,
Eustace1), born abt 1169 in Alnwick Castle; died Aug 1216 in Barnard
Castle, Yorkshire. He married Margaret FitzWilliam of SCOTLAND, born
aft 1169; died aft 1226, daughter of William I "The Lion" King of
SCOTLAND and nn de HYTHUS (mistress).
Notes for Eustache de VESCI Lord Vesci, MCS
Sanders, I. J. , English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
Descent, Oxford, 1960, p 103.
WURTS, MAGNA CHARTA BARONS.
Clay, pps 226-227.
Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109.
CP XII/2: 268-284.
Children of Eustache de VESCI Lord Vesci, MCS and Margaret
FitzWilliam of SCOTLAND were as follows:
+ 20 i William de4 VESCI Lord Alnwick.
+ 21 ii NN (Warine?) de4 VESCI.
9. Warine de3 VESCI (William FitzEustace de2, Eustace1), born abt 1170
in Knaresbourough Castle. He married Matilda de WELLOM, born abt 1170
in Wellom, Yorkshire, daughter of Waldran de WELLOM.
Notes for Warine de VESCI
Clay, pps 226-227.
DEP p 15.
Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109.
Children of Warine de VESCI and Matilda de WELLOM were as follows:
+ 22 i Margerie de4 VESCI.
Generation 4
19. Hugh I de4 BOLEBEC Lord of Styford (Sybil de3 VESCI, William
FitzEustace de2, Eustace1), died abt 1194. He married Est 1190
Margaret de MONTFICHET, born Est 1175, daughter of Richard I de
MONTFICHET Lord of Stanstead Montfichet and Millicent (---).
Notes for Hugh I de BOLEBEC Lord of Styford
AR 6: 246.
Sanders, I. J. , English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
Descent, Oxford, 1960, pps 84-85.
CP VII: 371-375.
CP VI: 632-636.
Hugh de Bolebec. Heirs became Earls of Oxford. Holdings in Bucks.,
Berks., Hunts., and Oxon.
Children of Hugh I de BOLEBEC Lord of Styford and Margaret de
MONTFICHET were as follows:
38 i Walter IV de5 BOLEBEC, died 1205 (dsp).
+ 39 ii Hugh II de5 BOLEBEC Lord of Styford.
20. William de4 VESCI Lord Alnwick (Eustache de3, William FitzEustace
de2, Eustace1), born abt 1200 in Alnwick Castle; died 29 Oct 1253. He
married (1) aft 23 May 1226 Isabel LONGESPEE, born abt 1208 of
Salisbury, Wiltshire, England; died bef 1244, daughter of William I
"Longespee" Prince of ENGLAND and Ela FitzWilliam, Countess of
SALISBURY; (2) bef 1244 Agnes de FERRERS, born abt 1224 of Derbyshire,
England; died 18 May 1290, daughter of Sir William III de FERRERS 5th
Earl of Derby and Sibyl MARSHALL.
Notes for William de VESCI Lord Alnwick
Sanders, I. J. , English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
Descent, Oxford, 1960, p 103.
DEP p 15.
Clay, pps 226-227.
Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109.
CP XII/2: 268-284.
CP IV: 198-203.
Children of William de VESCI Lord Alnwick and Agnes de FERRERS were
as follows:
40 i John de5 VESCI, born 25 Jul 1244; died 10 Feb 1288/1289 (dsp).
He married (1) Agnes de SALUZZO, died 1265 (dsp), daughter of Manfredo
III Marchese of SALUZZO and Beatrice of SAVOY; (2) abt 1279/80 Isabel
de BEAUMONT, died abt 1289, daughter of Louis "d' Acre" de BRIENNE de
Beaumont and Agnes de BEAUMONT. Notes: Sanders, I. J. , English
Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent, Oxford, 1960, p 103.
Clay, pps 226-227. Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109. CP XII/2:
268-284. CP IV: 198-203.
+ 41 ii William de5 VESCI Lord Vesci.
21. Warine de4 VESCI (Eustache de3, William FitzEustace de2,
Eustace1), died Est 1250. He married Constance de TRUSSEBUT, daughter
of Roger de TRUSSEBUT.
Notes for Warine de VESCI
EYC X: 75.
Possibly a child of Eustache de Vesci.
Children of Warine de VESCI and Constance de TRUSSEBUT were as
follows:
42 i John de5 VESCI of Alnwick, born of Alnwick Castle,
Northumberland; died Est 1280.
43 ii William de5 VESCI, died Est 1280.
44 iii Constance de5 VESCI. She married Simon WARDE of Esholt.
Notes: Daughter or sister?
22. Margerie de4 VESCI (Warine de3, William FitzEustace de2,
Eustace1), born abt 1198 in Knaresbourough Castle. She married
Gilbert de ATON of West Ayton, Yorks., died 1234.
Notes for Gilbert de ATON of West Ayton, Yorks.
DEP p 15.
Clay, pps 226-227.
Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109.
Marjerie was the great heiress of the de Vesci estates.
Children of Margerie de VESCI and Gilbert de ATON of West Ayton,
Yorks. were as follows:
+ 45 i William de5 ATON.
Generation 5
41. William de5 VESCI Lord Vesci (William de4, Eustache de3, William
FitzEustace de2, Eustace1), born 26 Sep 1245 of Kildare; died 19 Jul
1297 (dspsl) in Malton. He married (1) aft 1 Aug 1266 Isabel de
PERITON, died bef 13 Jan 1314/15, daughter of Adam de PERITON and
Sarah (---); (2) Devorgilla of DESMOND (mistress).
Notes for William de VESCI Lord Vesci
Sanders, I. J. , English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and
Descent, Oxford, 1960, p 103.
DEP p 15.
Clay, pps 226-227.
Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109.
CP XII/2: 268-284.
CP IV: 198-203.
Devorgilla (mistress) is said to be daughter of Donal Roe MacCarthy
Mor, Prince of Desmond.
Children of William de VESCI Lord Vesci and Isabel de PERITON were as
follows:
75 i John de6 VESCI, born 21 Sep 1269; died 27 Apr 1295 (dsp).
Notes: CP IV: 198-203.
Children of William de VESCI Lord Vesci and Devorgilla of DESMOND
(mistress) were as follows:
76 i William de6 VESCI of Kildare (illeg), died 24 June 1314 (dsp) in
Bannockburn. Notes: CP XII/2: 268-284.
45. William de5 ATON (Margerie de4 VESCI, Warine de3, William
FitzEustace de2, Eustace1), born abt 1210. He married unknown.
Notes for William de ATON
DEP p 15.
Banks, Baronies in Fee, Vol. I: 109.
Children of William de ATON were as follows:
77 i Sir Gilbert de6 ATON, died dsp. Notes: Banks, Baronies in Fee,
Vol. I: 109.
78 ii Sir William de6 ATON, born abt 1230.
Any suggestions or proofs would be appreciated.
Doug
Chris Phillips
Doug Smith wrote:
> Children of Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
> and Beatrice de VESCI were as follows:
> + 2 i William FitzEustace de2 VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland, Lord of
> Alnwick.
>
> Children of Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
> and Agnes FitzWilliam de HALTON were as follows:
> + 3 i Richard2 FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton.
> + 4 ii Albreda de2 VESCI.
> 5 iii William de2 VESCI Rector of Barwick. Notes: Clay, pps
> 114-115.
Parts of this have been discussed recently in the thread "Payn fitz John".
At any rate, it doesn't seem likely that children of Eustace's second
marriage would have taken the surname "de Vesci", which belonged to his
first wife.
Chris Phillips
Patricia Junkin
Veteriponte. In a plea relating to land in Westmoreland against John de
Baliol, the earl of Buchan, Alan de la Zouche who married Elena de Quincy,
and the countess of Derby, Robert de Veteriponte excused his absence as
plaintiff on the ground of infirmity the year previous.
May I ask how this John de Vesci may be related to this William FitzEustace
de Vesci.
Thank you,
Pat
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>From: "Chris Phillips" <c...@medievalgenealogy.org.uk>
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Vescy + Trussebut
>Date: Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 3:06 AM
Sutliff
service tomorrow for a neighbor and friend of my parents (with about 20
family members coming here afterwards), my attention is focused elsewhere
until later in the week. Thanks for your help.
Henry Sutliff
"Sutliff" <sut...@redshift.com> wrote in message
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Doug Smith
> IN 1264, John de Vesci was the executor of the estate of Robert de
> Veteriponte. In a plea relating to land in Westmoreland against John de
> Baliol, the earl of Buchan, Alan de la Zouche who married Elena de Quincy,
> and the countess of Derby, Robert de Veteriponte excused his absence as
> plaintiff on the ground of infirmity the year previous.
> May I ask how this John de Vesci may be related to this William FitzEustace
> de Vesci.
> Thank you,
> Pat
>
Hi Pat
I have very little info on the Vipont/Viteripont family. The Robert
you refer to is presumably Robert II de Vipont, LOrd of Westmoreland
who died 7 jun 1264
MC 5:8, Sanders, pps 103-104, CP V: 433-445., Banks, Baronies in Fee,
II: 78.
I don't have any knowledge of why a John de Vesci would be his
executor.
Doug
> ----------
> >From: "Chris Phillips" <c...@medievalgenealogy.org.uk>
> >To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: Vescy + Trussebut
> >Date: Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 3:06 AM
> >
>
> >
> > Doug Smith wrote:
> >> Children of Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
> >> and Beatrice de VESCI were as follows:
> >> + 2 i William FitzEustace de2 VESCI Sheriff of Northumberland, Lord of
> >> Alnwick.
> >>
> >> Children of Eustace FITZJOHN Constable of Knaresborough and Chester
> >> and Agnes FitzWilliam de HALTON were as follows:
> >> + 3 i Richard2 FITZEUSTACE Baron of Halton.
> >> + 4 ii Albreda de2 VESCI.
> >> 5 iii William de2 VESCI Rector of Barwick. Notes: Clay, pps
> >> 114-115.
> >
> >
> > Parts of this have been discussed recently in the thread "Payn fitz John".
> > At any rate, it doesn't seem likely that children of Eustace's second
> > marriage would have taken the surname "de Vesci", which belonged to his
> > first wife.
> >
> > Chris Phillips
> >
> >
> >Hi Chris. I agree - that was sloppy of me.
Doug