LUNA - SALUZZO - ARAGON, around 1300

[MTaHT]

The Cardona have some interesting maternal lines.
Again, many thanks to Nat Taylor, Leo v.d.P. and
Henry S. for their help with the Cardona line.

Can anyone identify the wives or extend/correct
the Luna ancestry in this line of descent?

I've seen a proposal on the Luna male line at a
website, but it appears to be missing a few gens.
(chronologically challenged <g>). Generation 4,
below, is largely my assumption from that data,
is it true?

4. LUNA, Pedro 3 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1250? Aragon []
m. ARAGON, Violante de, b. 1260? []
|
3. LUNA, Pedro 4 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1290?, d. 1343
m. SALUZZO, Marquese de, b. 1290? []
|
2. LUNA, Pedro 5 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1320? Aragon
m. JERICA, Elfa de, b. 1320? []
|
1. LUNA, Beatriz de, b. 1350? Aragon
m. CARDONA, Hug Folch 2 Ramon ct.de, b. 1328, d. 1400
son of [Hug Folch 1 Ramon vct./m./Beatriz de ANGLESOLA]

? = date is a guess.

Thank you,
Mike Talbot

[Nathaniel Taylor]

In article <19990811154556...@ng-fu1.aol.com>, mt...@aol.com
(MTaHT) wrote:

> 4. LUNA, Pedro 3 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1250? Aragon []
> m. ARAGON, Violante de, b. 1260? []
> |
> 3. LUNA, Pedro 4 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1290?, d. 1343
> m. SALUZZO, Marquese de, b. 1290? []
> |
> 2. LUNA, Pedro 5 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1320? Aragon
> m. JERICA, Elfa de, b. 1320? []
> |
> 1. LUNA, Beatriz de, b. 1350? Aragon
> m. CARDONA, Hug Folch 2 Ramon ct.de, b. 1328, d. 1400
> son of [Hug Folch 1 Ramon vct./m./Beatriz de ANGLESOLA]

Yes, you have the parents of Beatriz de Luna correct here, according to
Armand de Fluvià's book which I cited earlier. By the way, according to
him the two "Hug", the last viscount and the first count of Cardona, did
not go by the name "Hug Folc" but just "Hug". The name "Folc" in this
dynasty was only used in conjunction with "Ramon", as "Ramon Folc". This
was a dynastic forename pattern used to commemorate Ramon Folc I, viscount
from 1040 to 1086.

Nat Taylor

[MTaHT]

Thanks for the clarification, Nat. The book by Fulvia sounds like a real
treasure. Is it still available? Where?

Regards,
Mike Talbot

[Nathaniel Taylor]

In article <19990811191443...@ng-cj1.aol.com>, mt...@aol.com
(MTaHT) wrote:

I bought in Barcelona in '92. You can try the major Barcelona bookstore,
Herder, which has a multi-lingual website; even if it's out of print they
can certainly search for it for you. Their website is
http://www.books-world.com/en/index.asp.

Nat Taylor

[Richard Borthwick]

At 05:10 PM 11/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>In article <19990811154556...@ng-fu1.aol.com>, mt...@aol.com
>(MTaHT) wrote:
>
>> 4. LUNA, Pedro 3 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1250? Aragon []
>> m. ARAGON, Violante de, b. 1260? []
>> |
>> 3. LUNA, Pedro 4 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1290?, d. 1343
>> m. SALUZZO, Marquese de, b. 1290? []
>> |
>> 2. LUNA, Pedro 5 Martinez sn.Almonacid de, b.1320? Aragon
>> m. JERICA, Elfa de, b. 1320? []
>> |
>> 1. LUNA, Beatriz de, b. 1350? Aragon
>> m. CARDONA, Hug Folch 2 Ramon ct.de, b. 1328, d. 1400
>> son of [Hug Folch 1 Ramon vct./m./Beatriz de ANGLESOLA]
>
>Yes, you have the parents of Beatriz de Luna correct here, according to

>Armand de Fluvià's book which I cited earlier. By the way, according to
>him the two "Hug", the last viscount and the first count of Cardona, did
>not go by the name "Hug Folc" but just "Hug". The name "Folc" in this

>dynasty was only used in conjunction with "Ramon", as "Ramon Folc". This
>was a dynastic forename pattern used to commemorate Ramon Folc I, viscount
>from 1040 to 1086.
>
>Nat Taylor
>

*Genealogie nedioevali di Sardegna* (eds.) L L Brook, F C Casula, M M
Costa, A M Oliva, R Pavoni & M Tangheroni, Publicazioni della Deptazione di
Storia Patri per la Sardegna, 1983, pp.108-108 (Tavola XVIII) has the
following information on 3.

Tommaso d.1296 M of Saluzzo m. Aluiga di Ceva d.>1293. Their son, Filippo
di Saluzzo d.1324 m(1) Sibilla (d.1321), dau. of Guglielmo de Peralta, L of
Caltabellotta. Their daughter Marchesa di Saluzzo m. Pietro de Luna y
Alagon, and both are recorded as living in 1320. Further, this latter pair
occur also on p.133 (Tavola XXX) and as having a son, Pietro de Luna y
Alagon (d.1368) who m. Elfa de Xerica. The 1320 Pietro's father is given as
Pietro Martinez de Luna (living <1309) m. Violante dau. of Artale de Alagon
(d.1295) and Teresa dau. of Pietro II (or III) K of Aragon. ES II:72 makes
Artale de Alagon (L of Sastega and Fina) Teresa's second husband and Teresa
herself the dau. of Pedro III (d.1285) by a mistress, Ines Zapata.

This may be carting coals to Newcastle but it may be of some use.

[MTaHT]

Thank you, very much, Richard. Your post answers many questions on the Luna
maternal lines.

Regards,
Mike