Cantelou of Aston Cantlow, co. Warwick, and Montfort of Beaudesert
The...@aol.com
Hello All,
In my post of 12 September, re: the descendants of Thurstan de
Montfort and the identification of his daughter Juliana (de Montfort)
de Daiville, I noted that there was a relationship to the Cantelou
family that would be elaborated upon.
CP, Vol. IX (under Montfort of Beaudesert), p. 123 note a states
concerning Thurstan de Montfort:
' It is possible that he m. a da. of William
de Cauntelo the elder, steward of the
household to King John. His son Piers wrote
to Walter de Merton, Chancellor 1261-63,
about the business of (Walter de Cauntelo)
Lord (Bishop) of Worcester,
"avunculi nostri"
[Anc. Corresp., P.R.O., vol. vii, no. 20]. '
Certainly there is other evidence of a close relationship
between the Montforts of Beaudesert and the Cantelou family;
some of which does not immediately lend itself to assuming a
marital or blood relationship, including the acquisition of
the wardship of young Piers de Montfort by William de Cantelou
following his father's death before 21 Nov. 1216. However,
the long-term relationship between the family members, dating
throught the turbulent period of the 1260's down to the Battle
of Evesham in 1265, bears all the hallmarks of a familial
relationship which the above statement by Piers de Montfort
appears to finally resolve.
The existence of this relationship, while not identified
in other contemporaneous records to date, is supported by the
writings of Adam Marsh in the 1250's. Margaret Howell wrote,
concerning the aftermath of the June 1252 trial of Simon de
Montfort,
' According to Adam Marsh, the three men on whose
support Montfort could rely unfailingly were
Peter de Montfort (not a relative), Walter
Cantilupe bishop of Worcester, and Peter of
Savoy. Peter de Montfort and Cantilupe were
closely tied into Simon's affinity,.... ' [1]
Given the birth range for Thurstan de Montfort (ca. 1184,
as he was a minor on his father's death ca. 1199, with King
John taking his homage in 1205 - with the proviso he demise
his lands temporarily to William de Cantelou ! CP Vol. IX,
p. 130-131) and his son Piers (after Oct. 1210), it is clear
that Thurstan's wife was a sister of William de Cantelou 'the
younger' and Walter de Cantelou, and not a niece. Walter de
Cantelou was then uncle ['avunculus'] to Piers de Montfort,
and not a great-uncle as might otherwise be theorised.
The chart below outlines the relationships now evident
between the Cantelou, Longchamp, Montfort (Beaudesert) and
other families down to the 'daughtering-out' of the senior
line of the Cantelous of Aston Cantlow, co. Warwick.
Any and all comment, criticism, or added documentation
is welcome as always.
Best regards,
John *
NOTES
[1] Margaret Howell, Eleanor of Provence (Oxford:
Blackwell Publishers, 1998], p. 64
:cites Adam Marsh, 'Epistolae', no. 30
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1 Walter de Cantelou
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* documentation re: his career pending
Children: William (?1158-1239)
Maud
1.1 William de Cantelou
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Birth: ? 1158
Death: 7 Apr 1239[1]
of Aston Cantlow, co. Warwick
Steward to King John, 1210
Sheriff of Warwickshire and Leicester 1201-1204, 1209-1216[2]
Sheriff again under Henry III, 1217-1223 (2 Hen. 3-9 Hen. 3)[2]
exchanged the manor of Cockeswell, Berks. to the King for the
manor of Eaton [Eaton Bray], Beds., charter for which dated
4 April 1205 [Eyton Vol. VI, p. 356][3]
by a fine of Jan 1211, levied before the King at Westminster,
acquired the manor of Meole Brace, co. Salop to be held of
Roger de Mortimer by the service of one knight's fee, in
exchange for 300 merks of silver [Audulf II de Braci to hold
a moiety of de Cantelou, by the service of half a knight's
fee]. Eyton, Vol. VI, pp. 354/5[3]
In 1213 ( 15 Joh.), had respite for
'Three hundred marks for a Fine which he was to have paid
for the Wardship and Custody of the Land of Henry de
Longchamps Heir; ..' [his nephew][2]
'In this second year of King Henry the Third, he gave
another Fine of two hundred marks for Milisent, the
Widow of Almaric, Earl of Evreux, to be a Wife for
William his Son; and for Katherine, the Daughter of
Hugh de L'Isle, to be married to one of his Brothers.'[2]
' In 4 Hen. 3. he paid to the King ten pounds Blanck
for Lands in Hochton, which he had with the Daughter
and Heir of the before specified Hugh de Gornay.'[2]
had grant by letter patent from King Henry III of a market
at Aston Cantlow, 1227[4]
Spouse: Mesceline de Braci
Father: Audulf de Braci (-<1203)
Mother: NN
Children: William (?1185-1250)
Walter (-1266)
NN, a daughter
1.1.1 William de Cantelou[5]
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Death: 22 Feb 1250[5]
Birth: ? 1185
of Aston Cantlow, co. Warwick
steward of Henry III[6]
"he and Milicent his wife, 'formerly wife of Aumarie,
Count of Evreux,' had dower in Petersfield and
Mapledurham (CP Vol V (Gloucester), p. 693)"[5]
served coheir to his [alleged] cousin William de
Courtenay, of a moiety of the manor of Badmondisfield,
Suffolk [Copinger, Vol. V, p. 301 citing O. 26 Hen. III. 2][7]
had the wardship of young Piers de Montfort
acquired the manor of Bingley, co. Yorks. ca. 1230 :
following the forfeiture by Maurice de Gant of his manor
of Bingley in connection with his ransom,
'...William de Cantilupe received a confirmation from
the Crown of the vill, market and manor of Bingley of
the gift and feoffment of Rannulph, earl of Chester
and Lincoln, to be held of him by the service of half
a fief of one knight.'[8]
NOTE: (1) Turner assigned the acquisition of Bingley to
William (d. 1239), father of this William.
(2) The relationship of William de Cantelou to
William de Curtenai, as noted by Copinger
(see above), is unproven.[9]
Spouse: Millicent de Gournay
Death: 1260[10]
Father: Hugh V de Gournay (ca1148-1214)
Mother: Juliana de Dammartin (ca1165-)
Marr: 1217[5],[2]
Children: Juliana (->1285)
William (-1254)
Agnes
Thomas (?1218-1282)
Nicholas (-<1266)
John (->1257)
Hugh (->1260)
1.1.1.1 Juliana de Cantelou[5]
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Death: aft 6 Aug 1285
William de Cantelou d. 1250, leaving sons and daughter
'..Julian, the Wife of Sir Robert de Tregoz.'
Dugdale, Baronage, p. 732
[cites Ex. coll. R. Gl. S.][2]
Spouse: Robert de Tregoz
Death: bef 24 Sep 1268[5]
Father: Robert de Tregoz (-<1215)
Mother: Sibyl de Ewyas (-<1236)
Marr: bef 1 Aug 1245[5]
Children: John (~1245-1300)
1.1.1.1.1 John de Tregoz
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Birth: abt 1245
Death: 21 Aug 1300
Occ: Lord Tregoz[5]
of Eaton Tregoz, co. Hereford and Lydiard Tregoze and
Allington, Wilts.[5]
evidently received the lordship of Lambourn Hundred,
co. Berks with his wife (held by him
in 1274 - Meisel, p. 96[11]
summoned to Parliament by writ from 26 Jan 1296/97,
whereby held to have become Lord Tregoz;
fought at Falkirk, 1298; d.s.p.m. [5]
2nd husband of Mabel FitzWarin (IPM of Mabel Tregoz,
cited by Rosie Bevan)[12]
Spouse: Mabel FitzWarin
Death: bef 24 May 1297[5]
Father: Sir Fulk FitzWarin (-1264)
Mother: Constance de Tosny
Marr: aft 6 Apr 1263[5]
Children: Clarice (-<1300)
Sybil (1270-1334)
1.1.1.2 William de Cantelou
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Death: 25 Sep 1254[5]
Burial: 30 Sep 1254, Studley priory, co. Warwick[5]
of Calne, co. Wilts., Houghton, co. Beds. and Aston
Cantlow, co. Warwick [13]
as William de Cantelou 'the Younger', said to have
journeyed on a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela
with [his cousin] Piers de Montfort, 1236
also held a moiety of Badmondisfield, Suffolk[7]
after his death, Prince Edward (the future Edward I)
held the wardship of his heirs (Edward I, p. 38)[14]
Spouse: Eve de Braose
Death: bef 28 Jul 1255[5]
Father: William de Braose (-1230)
Mother: Eva le Marshal (-<1246)
Marr: aft 25 Jul 1238[5]
Children: Joan (-<1271)
Millicent (-<1298)
George (1252-1273)
1.1.1.2.1 Joan de Cantelou[15]
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Death: bef Jun 1271
heiress in her issue of lordship of Abergavenny
her purparty included :
'...the Castle and Honor of Bergavenny, with the
Mannor of Kilgaran in Wales; as also the Mannor
of Aston-Cantilupe in Com. War. Berewike,
Little-Merston, and Stotford, in Com. Somers.
and Badmundfield in Com. Suff.' [Dugdale, p. 733][2]
Spouse: Henry de Hastings[15]
Death: bef 5 Mar 1268[5]
Father: Sir Henry de Hastings (-<1250)
Mother: Ada of Huntingdon (->1241)
Children: Sir John (1262-1312)
1.1.1.2.2 Millicent de Cantelou
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Death: bef 7 Jan 1298[5]
coheiress of her brother, George de Cantelou[5]
her inheritance included Eyton, Houton [sic], Beds.;
Harringworth, Beruby, Rowell, and Bolewyck, Northants.;
Totnes, Devon; Moles Bracy, co. Salop.[5];
also Bridgwater, Somerset (moiety of 2/3 of the borough
and manor)[16]
she also claimed the right to a market at Bridgwater,
Somerset in 1280[4] (the manor of Bridgwater was part
of her purparty of the inheritance from her brother)[2]
Spouse: Eudes la Zouche
Death: bef 25 Jun 1279[17]
Father: Sir Roger la Zouche (-<1238)
Mother: Margaret Biset
Marr: bef 13 Dec 1273[17]
Children: Eva (-1314)
Sir William (<1276-1351)
Elizabeth (-<1308)
Ellen
1.1.1.2.3 George de Cantelou
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Birth: 29 Mar 1252, Abergavenny[5]
Death: 18 Oct 1273, d.s.p.[5]
of Calne, co. Wilts., Houghton, co. Beds. and
Aston Cantlow, co. Warwick
Lord of Abergavenny
succeeded in Abergavenny by his nephew
John de Hastings[5]
Spouse: Margaret de Lacy
Father: Edmund de Lacy (-1258)
Mother: Alice de Saluzzo
Marr: 1 Sep 1254, date of contract, ratified by Henry III[5]
1.1.1.3 Agnes de Cantelou
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parentage as documented in the Boxgrove Stemma Funditoris
(cf. CP Vol XI [St. John], p. 323 and 323n[5])
Spouse: Robert de Saint John
Death: bef 26 Mar 1266[5]
Father: William de Saint John (-1239)
Mother: Godeheut
Children: John (-<1302)
1.1.1.3.1 John de Saint John
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Death: bef 30 Sep 1302[5]
knight, of Basing, Hants.
one of the magnates en route with Edward I in France
and Spain (1286).
One of the Auditors on behalf of King Edward at the
trial of the claims to the crown of Scotland, 1292
seneschal of Aquitaine 1294; captured by French forces
ca. 1296, released in 1297[5]
Spouse: Alice Fitz Reynold[5]
Death: aft 1305[5]
Father: Reynold Fitz Piers (-1285)
Mother: Alice
Marr: bef 29 Jun 1256[5]
Children: Agnes (-1345)
John (ca1271-<1329)
1.1.1.4 Thomas de Cantelou [Saint Thomas Cantilupe]
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Birth: ? 1218
Death: 25 Aug 1282, Orvieto, Italy[18]
Occ: Bishop of Hereford, 1275-1282
also known as St. Thomas Cantilupe, or
St. Thomas of Hereford
educated at Oxford, then Paris
Chancellor of Oxford University, 1262
supporter of the baronial cause and de Montfort
before King Louis, Amiens, 1259
Chancellor of England following Battle of Lewes,
February 1265 (deprived on restoration of Henry III
after Battle of Evesham, 1265)
consecrated Bishop of Hereford, 8 Sept 1275
excommunicated in 1282 (by Archbishop of Canterbury);
traveled to Rome to pleasd his own cause before Pope
Martin, dying at Orvieto
his relics brought back to Hereford, the site of many
miracles following:
canonized by Pope John XXII, 1320[18]
1.1.1.5 Nicholas de Cantelou
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Death: bef 24 Sep 1266[5]
lst husband of Eustache fitzRalph
Spouse: Eustache FitzHugh
Father: Ralph FitzHugh
Children: William (<1262-<1308)
1.1.1.5.1 William de Cantelou
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Birth: bef 6 Aug 1262[5]
Death: bef 6 Aug 1308[5]
Occ: Lord Cauntelo
of Greasley, Notts. and Ilkeston, co. Derby
summoned to Parliament from 29 Dec 1299 by writs
directed 'Willelmo de Canti Lupo', held thereby to
have become Lord Cauntelo[5]
1.1.1.6 John de Cantelou
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Death: aft 24 Sep 1257[4]
of Snitterfield, co. Warwick
had a grant of a fair and market from King Henry III
by charter, 24 Sept 1257[4]
1.1.1.7 Hugh de Cantelou
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Death: aft 30 Sep 1260[19]
Occ: archdeacon of Gloucester
nominee of Prince Edward to succeed as Bishop of Durham
in 1260 (following death of Walter Kirkham) -
another elected in his place, 30 Sept 1260[19]
1.1.2 Walter de Cantelou
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Death: 1266
Occ: Bishop of Worcester 1230-1266
Bishop of Worcester
presented by King John to the church of Worfield,
co. Salop as rector, 9 Apr 1215
elected Bishop of Worcester, 30 August 1230[3]
had grant of a fair at Stratford-upon-Avon, co. Warwick
by charter from King Henry III, 1239[4]
from Dugdale's Baronage:
'..imployed by King Henry, as his Agent to the Court of
Rome, afterwards Bishop of Worcester;..'
(p. 732, citing Matthew of Paris)[2]
staunch supporter of de Montfort and the baronial cause:
absolved the army of de Montfort before the Battle of
Evesham, 4 Aug 1265[19]
NOTE: as stated by Eyton (Vol. III, p. 119), ordained a
priest only on 18 April 1237 [subsequent to his election
as Bishop of Worcester][3]
1.1.3 NN de Cantelou
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CP Vol. IX (Montfort), p. 123 note a:
'It is possible that [Thurstan de Montfort] m. a da.
of William de Cauntelo the elder, steward of the
household to King John. His son Piers wrote to Walter
de Merton, Chancellor 1261-63, about the business of
(Walter de Cauntelo) Lord (Bishop) of Worcester,
" avunculi nostri "
[Auc. Corresp., P.R.O., vol. vii, no. 20]. '[5]
Spouse: Thurstan de Montfort
Birth: ca 1184[5]
Death: bef 21 Nov 1216[5]
Father: Henry de Montfort (-ca1199)
Children: Piers (>1210-1265)
William (-?1220)
1.1.3.1 Piers de Montfort
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Birth: aft Oct 1210[5]
Death: 4 Aug 1265, Battle of Evesham[5]
of Beaudesert, co. Warwick
his wardship given to William de Cantelou (the elder)
on his father's death, 1215/6
had charter from King Henry III dated 3 July 1221
for a market and fair at Henley in Arden, co. Warwick,
'to be held at the manor until the King came of age.'[4]
also a charter dated 10 Feb 1227 from King Henry III for
a market and fair at Beaudesert, co. Warwick [the market
and fair evidently held by William de 'Cantilupe',
- his maternal grandfather - who paid 15 marks for
holding same][4]
On pilgrimage with his lord William de Cauntelo the younger
- his cousin, who had not yet succeeded his father -
to Santiago de Compostela, 1236.[5]
Supporter of Simon de Montfort (slain at Evesham, 1265)
Spouse: Alice de Aldithley
Father: Sir Henry de Aldithley (~1175-<1246)
Mother: Bertrade de Mainwaring
Marr: bef 1229[5]
Children: Piers (~1240-<1286)
1.1.3.1.1 Piers de Montfort[20]
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Birth: abt 1240
Death: bef 4 Mar 1286[5]
of Beaudesert, co. Warwick
Fought at Evesham for Simon de Montfort, 4 Aug 1265
(taken prisoner; subseq. restored to part of father's lands).
On pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, 1271/72 and again 1274/75[5]
Spouse: Matilda de la Mare
Birth: abt 1242
Father: Matthew de la Mare (-<1260)
Marr: abt 1260[5]
Children: Alice (-1354)
John (-<1296)
1.1.3.2 William de Montfort
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Death: ? 1220, d.s.p.[21]
of Ringwood[5]
probably d. before 1220 (not identified as being in the custody of
William de Cantelou at the time of the 1220 Curia Regis Roll entry)[21]
1.2 Maud de Cantilupe
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identified by Dugdale as sister of William de Cantilupe[2]
Spouse: Henry de Longchamp
Death: 1212[2]
Father: Hugh de Longchamp (-<1165)
Children: Sir Henry (>1190-<1258)
William (->1260)
1.2.1 Sir Henry de Longchamp
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Birth: aft 1190[2]
Death: bef 1258[4]
of Wilton, co. Hereford[5]
a minor on his father's death;
his wardship and custody of his lands obtained by
his uncle William de Cantelou (q.v.) [2]
Spouse: Joan
Marr: ca 1230
Children: Maud
1.2.1.1 Maud de Longchamp
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heiress of Wilton[5]
Spouse: Sir Reynold de Grey
Death: 5 Apr 1308[5]
Father: Sir John de Grey (-<1265)
Mother: Emma de Cauz
Marr: bef 1258[5]
Children: John (-1323)
Joan (-<1285)
1.2.1.1.1 John de Grey
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Death: 28 Oct 1323[5]
Occ: Lord Grey of Wilton
2nd Lord Grey of Wilton
conveyed castle of Ruthin, cantred of Dyffryn Clwyd and manor
of Rushton, co. Chester to himself 18 Nov 1311, remainder to
his son Roger (later Lord Grey of Ruthin)[5]
the market at Fenny Stratford, co. Bucks
'mentioned in 1323, in an inquisition into the lands of
the recently deceased John de Grey (CIPM, vi, no. 517).'[4]
Spouse: Maud de Verdun
Father: John de Verdun (~1226-1274)
Mother: Eleanor de Bohun (->1278)
Marr: 1275[22]
Children: Maud
Henry (1281-ca1342)
Sir Roger (<1303-1352)
Joan (-<1353)
Iseult (->1328)
1.2.1.1.2 Joan de Grey[5]
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Death: bef 6 Jan 1285[5]
1st wife
identified by Douglas Richardson previously
NOTE: This identification is now considered unproven;
Richardson identifies Isolde de Mortimer as the
child of another member of the Mortimer family,
not by a daughter of Sir Reynold de Grey.
Spouse: Sir Edmund de Mortimer
Birth: bef 1252[20]
Death: 17 Jul 1304, Battle of Buelt[20]
Father: Roger de Mortimer (ca1231-1282)
Mother: Maud de Braose (-<1300)
Children: Isolde
1.2.2 William de Longchamp
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Death: aft 1260
of 'Suth-Warneburne', co. Hants.
had livery of same, 1261 (46 Hen. III)[2]
Spouse: Petronilla de Craon
Death: bef 1263[23]
Father: Guy de Craon (-ca1205)
Mother: Isabel Basset
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Cristopher Nash
(You may have noticed that Aston Cantlow and Beaudesert - presently
in Henley-in-Arden - are in virtually adjoining pshes, 4 mi. apart.
Many think the Cantiloup a Beaudesert, and some will pay a
considerable aMontfort.)
Cris
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The...@aol.com wrote on Friday, 13 September, 2002
CE Wood
> ----------------------------------------
>
> identified by Dugdale as sister of William de Cantilupe[2]
>
> Spouse: Henry de Longchamp
> Death: 1212[2]
> Father: Hugh de Longchamp (-<1165)
>
> Children: Sir Henry (>1190-<1258)
> William (->1260)
>
> 1.2.1 Sir Henry de Longchamp
> ----------------------------------------
> Birth: aft 1190[2]
> Death: bef 1258[4]
>
> of Wilton, co. Hereford[5]
>
> a minor on his father's death;
> his wardship and custody of his lands obtained by
> his uncle William de Cantelou (q.v.) [2]
>
> Spouse: Joan
> Marr: ca 1230
There seems to be confusion regarding the parentage of Henry de
Longchamp, spouse of Maud. There ALSO is confusion as to whether
there was an additional generation between Henry and Maud and Henry
and Joan. See both below:
1 Hugh de LONGCHAMP b: ABT. 1100 d: UNKNOWN
+ Eve de LACY b: 1112 d: UNKNOWN
2 Hugh de LONGCHAMP II b: ABT. 1128 d: UNKNOWN
+ Emma de St.LEGER b: ABT. 1130 d: UNKNOWN
3 Henry de LONGCHAMP b: 1150 d: 1212
+ Maud de CANTELU b: ABT. 1155 d: UNKNOWN
4 Hugh de LONGCHAMP III b: 1177 d: BEF. 1264
+ Georgia de COLUMBARS b: 1185 d: AFT. 1253
5 Henry de LONGCHAMP b: ABT. 1210 d: 1264
+ JOAN b: ABT. 1214 d: UNKNOWN
AND
1 Hugh I De Longchamp of Wilton,b: c 1120,d: c 1155
..+daughter De Lacy,b: c 1124
.... 2 Henry I De Longchamp,b: c 1153,d: 1212
...... +Maud De Cantilupe,b: c 1158
........ 3 Hugh III De Longchamp of Wilton,b: 1179
.......... +Georgia Columbaris, d: Aft. 1253
............. 4 Sir Henry II De Longchamp of Wilton,b: Aft. 1190,d:
Bef. 1258
............... +Joan (De Longchamp) of Wilton, m: Abt. 1230
................. 5 Maud De Longchamp of Wilton,b: c 1245,d: Bef. Nov
21, 1302
Clarification would be MOST appreciated!
CE Wood
Les A Cox
I see that in 'Cheshire Viz 1580' it is given that Roger Monte Alto gave Bretton lands to ancestor of Hugh Ravenscroft wife, Isabelle Holland. Thank you ~~~~~