Graham of Dalkeith: their Comyn ancestry
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
In his 1993 article on Alan of Galloway, Keith Stringer
provided the following concerning Adam fitz Gilbert,
brother-in-law of William Comyn, earl of Buchan (d. 1233):
' Adam son of Gilbert, who also held Tarbolton in Kyle
under the Stewarts and Hutton in Dryfesdale under his
Levington kinsmen, was the brother-in-law of William
Comyn, earl of Buchan, the father-in-law of Henry de
Graham, lord of Dalkeith, and the uncle of both David
de la Hay, lord of Errol, and Master Gamelin, future
chancellor of Scotland and bishop of St. Andrews. ' [1]
The existence of Adam fitz Gilbert's relationship to the
Hays of Erroll has been long known, although it has to the
best of my knowledge been accepted but not proved [2]. However,
I had not seen a reference to a relationship between Adam fitz
Gilbert and the Grahams of Dalkeith prior to this.
Stringer's evidence for this statement is not provided in
the article or footnotes. However, there is indirect evidence
for the relationship:
1. Adam fitz Gilbert is known to have been the lord of
Kilbucho in Peeblesshire, in addition to the above
statement that he held Hutton as well. It is held that
Sir Henry de Graham of Dalkeith, 'the
younger' (d. bef 5 Feb 1283/4) had acquired the lordship
of Hutton in Annandale by marriage. ' Henric's de Grah'me
d[omi]n's de Hutou[n]e' granted a charter [undated] of the
lands of Overdryfe to Sir David de Torthorald, witnessed by
Nicholas de Graham (affiliation uncertain - either his
brother, or his eldest son and successor Sir Nicholas), his
son Henry de Graham and others [3]. It is possible that
the Grahams acquired their initial interest in Hutton from
the marriage to a daughter of Adam fitz Gilbert.
Significantly, the lordship of Kilbucho does appear to
have passed via this marriage. Sir Henry's great-grandson,
John de Graham 'the last', made a grant of the lands of
Kilbucho to William Douglas of Kincavil (his apparent
brother-in-law, the Knight of Liddesdale), no later than
11 Aug 1341 [4].
The statement that Adam fitz Gilbert held 'Hutton in
Dryfesdale under his Levington kinsmen' is of interest,
certainly to researchers concerning Galloway and Carrick
families and their holdings (Alex ?).
2. Adam fitz Gilbert's wife was Idonea Comyn, with whom he
had a grant of the lands of Blyth, Ingraston, and the Haugh
(Spittalhaugh) in Linton Parish, Peebles from her brother,
the earl of Buchan. The name Idonea is encountered with
rarity, but we have the name appear in the Graham family
with a daughter of Sir Henry de Graham 'the younger', in
the person of Idonea, wife of Adam de Swinburn [5].
The following reflects an interesting line of descent based
on Stringer's statement, and the above:
1) Richard Comyn = Hextilda Gilbert = Juliana
d. 1182 I of Tynedale I de Soulis
I I (sister of
______________I_______ __________I Ranulf)
I I I
William Comyn Idonea = Adam fitz Gilbert
E of Buchan I of Kilbucho and Hutton
d. 1233 I
I I
V a dau. = Sir Henry
[Christiana ?] I de Graham
I d. aft 1233
________________I_______
I I
NN Avenel = Sir Henry de Graham Nicholas
I lord of Hutton [3]
I
___________I_______________________
I I I I I
Sir Nicholas <siblings> Idonea = Adam de
d. 1306 = Mary of I Swinburn
I Strathearn I
______I____________________ I
I I V
Sir John de Graham Agnes = John de
d. 1337; = Isabella Monfode
I
_________I_____________________
I I I I
John <siblings> Agnes = Sir John de Douglas
Graham I <ancestors of Douglas
(dsp) I of Dalkeith>
V
This provides a significant addition to the ancestry of
the Grahams of Dalkeith and Abercorn, not to mention for their
myriad descendants. Should anyone have additional documentation,
comment, criticism or suggestions for further research, that
would be welcome as always.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] Keith J. Stringer, Periphery and Core in Thirteenth-Century
Scotland: Alan son of Roland, Lord of Galloway and Constable
of Scotland, in Alexander Grant and Keith J. Stringer, eds.,
Medieval Scotland: Crown, Lordship and Community (Edinburgh:
Edinburgh Univ. Press, 1993) p. 100.
[2] The Scots Peerage article on Hay, Earl of Erroll includes
the following:
' Sir James Balfour has preserved a note of a grant of the
lands of Flemingstoun by Adam, son of Gilbert, to David de
Haya, his nephew, which was confirmed by Alexnader II. in
1224' [SP III:557].
The footnote to the foregoing (4) states,
' Harl. MS. 4693, fol. 33. If the statement that
the mother of William de Hay was Juliana de Soulis can be
trusted, it may be that he and Adam, son of Gilbert, were
uterine brothers. See Regist. Glasg., i. 72.'
[3] Reg. Honoris de Morton II:2, no. 2.
[4] Ibid., II:41-42, no. 55. King David II confirmed same,
11 Aug 1341 [Reg. Honoris de Morton II, no. 56]. The text
in Reg. Honoris de Morton states this was a grant 'of all
my lands of the barony of Kilbucho and of Newlands '
[" om's t'ras meas in baron' de kylbechoch del newlandis "]
[5] SP VI:197.
* John P. Ravilious
Alex Maxwell Findlater
Levington. Gilbert was the younger son of Richer and brother of Adam
of Levinton. I have not seen a pedigree which connects the Hamiltons
to a Boyville/Levinton ancestry. I am not sure that this is a
possible identification as the Levinton family ran out in 1272 and
there do not appear to have been any Hamiltons in the offing then. As
to Adam son of Gilbert, he seems to have had no heir in Hutton and
there does not appear to have ever been a Hamilton interest in Hutton.
Douglas Richardson
>
> 2. Adam fitz Gilbert's wife was Idonea Comyn, with whom he
> had a grant of the lands of Blyth, Ingraston, and the Haugh
> (Spittalhaugh) in Linton Parish, Peebles from her brother,
> the earl of Buchan. The name Idonea is encountered with
> rarity, but we have the name appear in the Graham family
> with a daughter of Sir Henry de Graham 'the younger', in
> the person of Idonea, wife of Adam de Swinburn [5].
> > * John P. Ravilious
The name Idonea is the Latin form of Idoine. I recommend you avoid
the Latin forms.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for that. I see the following, provided by G. W. S.
Barrow in his Kingdom of the Scots, concerning the tenure of
Tarbolton:
' The fee of Gilbert son of Richer, t. Walter I. Gilbert was a
witness to Malcolm IV's charter granting the stewardship and the
Renfrewshire lands to Walter I. He was almost certainly a tenant-in-
chief of the king in his own right and witnessed numerous royal
charters in the earlier years of king Wiliam the Lion. For the
family, see Barrow, Anglo-Norman Era in Scottish History (1980).
When Walter gave lands in Mauchline to Melrose Abbey, his charter
referred to a perambulation between the land of Mauchline and the land
of Gilbert, son of Richer, and it is evident that Gilbert's land lay
west of Mauchline. Moreover, Alan the Stewart granted Tarbolton to
Adam son of Gilbert to be held for one knight's service, and although
Adam is not said to be the son of Gilbert, son of Richer, this is made
very probable by the fact that Adam was tenant of Hutton in Dryfesdale
under Adam, son of Adam, son of Richer. ' [1]
While the 'fitz Gilbert' designation does have a Hamiltonian
ring, the family has nothing to do directly with the Hamiltons. A
note in Scots Peerage states, concerning Idonea the daughter of
William Comyn, Earl of Buchan, and wife of Gilbert de Hay,
' She was evidently named after Idonea, her father's sister (omitted
under Badenoch), to whom Earl William, soon after he became Earl, gave
a grant of the lands of Blyth, Ingraston, and the Haugh (Spittalhaugh)
in Linton Parish, Peebles. The elder Idonea married Sir Adam Fitz
Gilbert, and had issue a daughter, Christian. ' [2]
The daughter Christian was evidently heiress or coheiress of her
parents. She was apparently either the wife or sister-in-law of Henry
de Graham, as indicated by Stringer.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] Barrow, The Kingdom of the Scots, pp. 321-2.
[2] SP II:253, sub Comyn, Earl of Buchan, cites
'Registrum Honoris de Morton, ii. 4; Origines
Parochiales, i. 189.'
On Jun 9, 1:40?pm, Alex Maxwell Findlater
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for your note. I appreciate your point: however, given
the use of the name Idonea for these individuals in all printed
records I've seen to date, I hesitate not to maintain conformity.
Cheers,
John
John P. Ravilious
Dear Alex, Leo, Doug, et al.,
Following on the earlier post, I am providing an
8 generation pedigree of the descent (as I presently see
it) from Richard Comyn (d. 1182) and Hextilda of Tynedale
to Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith and his siblings, via
Idonea Comyn (wife of Adam fitz Gilbert of Kilbucho) and
the Grahams of Dalkeith.
As previously stated, this is based largely on indirect
evidence and the statement in Stringer [Periphery and Core,
p. 100] that Adam fitz Gilbert was 'the father-in-law of
Henry de Graham, lord of Dalkeith'. If this is correct, it
is probable that Christian[a], daughter of Adam fitz Gilbert
and Idonea Comyn, was the wife of Sir Henry de Graham (see
generation 1.1.1 below]. Additional direct evidence on the
matter is being sought: should anyone of the list have knowledge
of same, that would be of great interest.
Cheers,
John *
1 Richard Comyn
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Death: 1182[1]
Father: John Comyn (->1135)
Mother: NN Giffard
of Northallerton[2]
2nd son and heir of brother William [Young pp. 15-16[1]]
m. bef 1153 to Hextilda of Tynedale [had Walwick, Thornton,
Staincroft and Henshaw in Tynedale, Northumberland as her
maritagium[1]]
'Richard Cumin', witness to a charter. 4 Oct 1172 :
' Witnessed by Eugene Bishop of Glascow, Mathew Bishop of
Aberdeen, Earl Duncan, Odenell de Umfraville, Richard Cumin,
Hugh Ridele, Gilbert son of Richard, William de Haya, Walter
de Berkeley, Richard de Moreville, constable, Robert Avenell,
Philip de Valones, Robert de Quency, Ranulf de Sules,
William de Munford, Herbert de Samer, the King's clerk
Richard of Lincoln, Simon son of Hutered, Adam his brother,
at Maidens Castle 4 October in the 12th year of his reign '
- A2A, Northumberland Record Office: Swinburne (Capheaton)
estate records [ZSW/1 - ZSW/59] , Swinburne Manuscript
Vol. 1 [ ZSW/1 ][3]
' Richard Comyn ', one of the hostages given by King William
of Scots to Henry II of England ' for the performance of the
treaty ' [of Falaise], 8 Dec 1174 [Bain, Cal. Doc. Scotland
I:19, No. 139[4]]
record of amercement, 1175-6:
' Ricardus Cumin redd. comp. de .c. l. quia non fuit coram
justiciis, et fuit in comitatu quando summonitio venit. In
thesauro .xx. s. et .ij. d. Et is soltis per breve regis
Aaron et Ysaac Iudeis .xlviij. l. et .xix. s. et .x. d.
Et debet .l. l. ' [ Pipe Roll XXV:138[5] ]
" Ricardus Cumyn ", granted charter for land next to
'Kyngsetburne' to Holyrood priory, with the assent of his
wife Hextilda and witnessed by his sons Odinel and Simon
(together with others), 1182 or before [Reg. Honoris de
Morton II:2, no. 2[6]]
Spouse: Hextilda of Tynedale
Death: bef 1199, Dunfermline Abbey, Fife[7]
Father: Uhtred of Tynedale
Mother: Bethoc of Scotland (-<1185)
Marr: bef 1153[1]
Children: Odinel
Simon
William Comyn, Earl of Buchan (-1233)
John (-<1152)
Christian
Idonea
Ada
1.1 Idonea Comyn[1]
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'Edena' or 'Edeva', benefactor of the church of St. Cuthbert,
Durham (Liber Vitae, vol. 13 p. 100) bef Aug 1198[8]
" Ade fil Gilberti cu[m] ydonia sorore mea ", had charter of
her brother William Comyn, earl of Buchan of the lands of
Blith and 'Ingolneston' in free marriage [Reg. Honoris de
Morton II:4-5, no. 5[6]]
a note concerning her niece Idonea, wife of Gilbert de Hay,
states,
' She was evidently named after Idonea, her father's sister
(omitted under Badenoch), to whom Earl William, soon after
he became Earl, gave a grant of the lands of Blyth, Ingraston,
and the Haugh (Spittalhaugh) in Linton Parish, Peebles. The
elder Idonea married Sir Adam Fitz Gilbert, and had issue a
daughter, Christian. ' [SP II:253, sub Comyn, Earl of
Buchan[2], cites 'Registrum Honoris de Morton, ii. 4;
Origines Parochiales, i. 189.']
re: Adam and his relationships, wrote:
' Adam son of Gilbert, who also held Tarbolton in Kyle under
the Stewarts and Hutton in Dryfesdale under his Levington
kinsmen, was the brother-in-law of William Comyn, earl of
Buchan, the father-in-law of Henry de Graham, lord of
Dalkeith, and the uncle of both David de la Hay, lord of
Errol, and Master Gamelin, future chancellor of Scotland
and bishop of St. Andrews. ' [Stringer, Periphery and Core,
p. 100[9]]
Spouse: Adam fitz Gilbert[1]
Father: Gilbert fitz Richer
Mother: Juliana de Soulis [2]
Children: NN
1.1.1 NN
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identified by Stringer as a dau. of Adam fitz Gilbert:
' Adam son of Gilbert, who also held Tarbolton in Kyle under
the Stewarts and Hutton in Dryfesdale under his Levington
kinsmen, was the brother-in-law of William Comyn, earl of
Buchan, the father-in-law of Henry de Graham, lord of Dalkeith,
and the uncle of both David de la Hay, lord of Errol, and
Master Gamelin, future chancellor of Scotland and bishop of
St. Andrews. ' [Stringer, Periphery and Core, p. 100[9]]
possibly identical with Christian or Christiana:
A. The elder Idonea married Sir Adam Fitz Gilbert, and had
issue a daughter, Christian. ' [SP II:253] [2]
B. ' Between the years 1233 and 1249 Christiana, the
granddaughter of William Comyn, Earl of Buchan, endowed a
chapel at Spittalhaugh with her lands of Ingraston for the
celebration of divine service therein for her soul and the
souls of her relatives, and for amongst others, the souls
of Gameline, parson of Kelbechoc, and Marion, his sister,
and of Gilbert, parson of Kelbechoc. '[The Tweedie Archive,
extract from J. W. Buchan, A History of Peeblesshire] [23]
Spouse: Sir Henry de Graham of Dalkeith and Simundburn
Death: aft 1233
Father: Sir Henry de Graham (->1199)
Mother: NN
Children: Sir Henry (->1283)
Nicholas
1.1.1.1 Sir Henry de Graham
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Death: aft 5 Feb 1283[2]
laird of Dalkeith
' Henry de Graham ', one of the jurors who [together with
Nicholas de Sules, Gilbert de la Hay, Robert de Mayneres,
John Comin, David Comin, Richard de Munfichet, Malcolm,
son of the Earl, Dunckan Sibald, Randulf de Bonekil,
Henry de Graham, William de Valoniis, Alexander de
Strivelin, William de La hay, Walter de Bonckil,
Henry de Wyntone, John de Fentone, Henry de Halibortone
and others] supported Walter Comyn, Earl of Menteith in
his oath (together with Patrick, Earl of Dunbar) before
King Henry III of England, 'Circa 1244' :
' 2671. The form of oath taken by the Earls Patric, and
Walter Cumin, viz., that they were neither of counsel or
aid, when on their part any people were sent to attack or
lay waste the K. of England's land in Ireland, or elsewhere,
to the K.'s dishonour; nor ever received any of his enemies,
especially William de Mariscis and his son.' [Bain, I:551-3[4]]
- probably ca. 14 Aug 1244, when the Treaty of Newcastle
between Alexander II of Scots and Henry III of England
resolved the dispute [DNB I:263[10]]
gave certain lands to his cousin David de Graham, confirmed
by King Alexander III, charter dated at St. Andrew, 27 Dec 1253:
' donacionem illam quam Henricus de Grahame fecit eidem Dauid
de villa de Cliftun cum pertinenciis suis,...' [The Lennox
II:13-15, No. 12[11]]
' [Henry] son of Henry de Graham grants to the Abbot and
convent of Blanch-land, 5 (s.?) yearly in frank almoyne at
the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Mary, from his
mill of Symundeburne, as in the charter of Henry son of
Henry de Graham, his grandfather, which they hold. '
[Bain II:52[4], cites pleas and assizes at Wark, Patent 8
Edw. I. m. 27]
evidently acquired the lordship of Hutton in Annandale [either
by marriage, or possibly by inheritance through his mother]:
' Henric's de Grah'me d[omi]n's de Hutou[n]e', granted a
charter [undated] of the lands of Overdryfe to Sir David de
Torthorald, witnessed by Nicholas de Graham (affiliation
uncertain), his son Henry de Graham and others [Reg. Honoris
de Morton II:2, no. 2[6]]
attended the parliament at Scone, 4 Feb 1283/4 which
acknowledged Margaret of Norway as heir to the Scots
throne [SP VI:194[2]]
cf. SP VI:194-5[2]
Spouse: NN Avenel
Father: Roger Avenel of Abercorn and Eskdale (-1243)
Children: Sir Nicholas (-<1306)
Henry (->1296)
David
Peter
William
Idonea, m. Adam de Swinburn
1.1.1.1.1 Sir Nicholas de Graham
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Death: bef 14 Jun 1306[2],[12]
Occ: laird of Dalkeith and Abercorn
laird of Dalkeith and Abercorn
of Wooler, Northumberland:
held by the service of 1 knight's fee, 1277;
owed the service of 1 knight's fee for a quarter of the Muschamp
barony of Wooler, 1282 (Sanders, p. 101)[12]
' Nich' de Grah'me ', witness [together with Henry de Graham,
'filio' and others] to charter of his father [undated] of
the lands of Overdryfe to Sir David de Torthorald [Reg.
Honoris de Morton II:2, no. 2[6]]
' Nichole de Graham', one of the barons of Scotland attending
the Parliament at Brigham who confirmed the Treaty of
Salisbury with England, 14 Mar 1289/90 [Stevenson I:129-130,
No. XCII[13]]
one of the auditors for the claim of Bruce at Berwick, 2
June 1292 [SP VI:195[2] ]
supporter of King John (Baliol) of Scotland, 1296:
' Nicholaus de Graham ', following the defeat at the battle
of Dunbar, his lands in Northumberland and elsewhere [and
those of his brother-in-law Sir Adam de Swinburn] were taken
into the hands of Edward I of England ["Certifico vobis de
nominibus illorum commorantium in rengno Scotiae, quorum
terrae et tenementa capta sunt in manum domini
regis...Johannes de Balliolo. Johannes Comyn,
pater. Johannes Comyn, filius. " etc.], order of King
Edward I dated at Berwick, 27 Apr 1296, that ' No Scotchmen
to remain upon the lands of Scotchmen in England '
[Stevenson II:46, No. CCCLVIII.]
' S' Domini Nicholay de Gram militis ', swore allegiance
to King Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296 [ MacAndrew,
p. 706[14] ]
grant by King Edward I, dated at Lincoln, 28 Feb 1300/01:
' Grant, for life, to Isabella, late the wife of John de
Vescy, the elder, by reason of her services to Eleanor,
late the queen consort, in addition to the lands late of
Nicholas de Graham, the king's rebel, in Wullouere, Heghpol,
Belleford, Yesington, Lowyk, and Bollesdon, co. Northumberland,
which escheated to the king by reason of his rebellion,
already granted to her, of the lands of the said Nicholas
in Herdeslawe in that county, which are in the king's hands
for the same reason. By K. and pet. of C. ' [CPR 29 Edw I
(1292-1301), mem. 24, p. 577[15]]
he d. before 14 June 1306, when his widow did homage to
King Edward I of England for her Northumberland lands
[SP VI:195[2]]
cf. SP VI:195[2]
Stevenson, p. 181[16]
Genealogics I00139256[17]
Spouse: Mary of Strathearn
Death: 1322[2],[12]
Birth: bef 20 Mar 1248[2]
Father: Malise, earl of Strathearn (-<1271)
Mother: Marjorie de Muschamp (-<1254) [first wife of the Earl]
Marr: bef 25 Jun 1269[16],[2]
Children: Sir John (<1278-1337)
Agnes, m. John de Monfode [22]
1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir John de Graham
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Death: 25 Apr 1337[2],[12],[18]
Birth: bef 19 May 1278[2]
Occ: laird of Dalkeith
laird of Dalkeith
b. before 19 May 1278 [an inquisition of 19 May 1306,
concerning the Muschamp inheritance, found that he was
28 years of age [SP VI:195[2], cites Cal. Doc. Scot., iii. 392]
supporter of King John (Baliol), capitulated to King Edward
I with John Comyn at Strathord, 1303/04
joined with King Robert the Bruce
" Joh'es de Graham miles, filius et heres D'ni Nicholai de
Graham ", confirmed grants by the Avenel tenants of Eskdale
to Melrose Abbey (confirmed by King Robert I, 25 Dec 1316)
[Liber Sancte Marie de Melros pp. 341-2, no. 377[19]; cited
in SP VI:196[2]]
' John de Graham ', a Surety of the Arbroath Declaration,
6 April 1320 (Barrow pp. 424-8)[20]
cf. SP VI:195-6[2]
Spouse: Isabella
Children: Sibyl [allegedly: m. Reginald Mure]
Elizabeth [allegedly: m. Sir William Douglas]
Agnes
John de Graham(->1341)
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Agnes de Graham[2],[21]
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her name has been proven in the dispensation for her marriage:
" 1344.
4 Id. Oct. To the bishop of St. Andrews. Faculty to
Avignon. grant dispensation to John de Duglas, knight,
(f. 140d.) and Agnes de Grame to intermarry, they having
lived together and had offspring, notwithstanding
the assertion made that Agnes was aunt of a woman
with whom John had cohabited, Agnes being
ignorant of the said impediment. A penance is to
be enjoined on John, and two chaplaincies of 10
marks each are to be founded within two years.
Their past and future offspring is to be
declared legitimate.
[Cal. Pet. i.79; Theiner, 282.] "
[Papal Letters III:165[21]]
her son Sir James granted lands to the church of Dalkeith
by a charter dated 1 June 1406, ' mentions Sir John of
Douglas, his father, the Lady Agnes, his mother, and
" Willielmi de Douglas domini Vallis de Leddalle avunculi
nostri." ' [Scott VII:219]
identified in error as ' Agnes, who has been identified as Agnes
Munfode, widow of John Munfode ' in Scots Peerage
[SP VI:343[2]]
Spouse: Sir John de Douglas
Death: bef 25 Jan 1349, Forgywood (murdered)[2]
Father: Sir James de Douglas (-<1323)
Mother: Joan (->1336)
Marr: bef 12 Oct 1344[21]
Children: Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith (-1420)
Sir William (->1406)
Sir John (-<1368)
Sir Henry Douglas of Lugton (-<1406)
Nicholas (-<1406)
Thomas (-<1406)
Ellen (-<1406)
Margaret, m. Adam Glendinning (Glendowyn)
Elizabeth (->1406)
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* John P. Ravilious
Peter Stewart
"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1181412044....@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
Wrong way round - Idoine is the French version of the name Idonea, used in
this form in England and Scotland, that came directly from a Latin adjective
meaning "proper" or "becoming".
On your other principle (when it suits you) of calling people by the names
they used for themselves, Idoine would be anachronistic and foreign for this
lady.
Paul Gans asked you politely to stop cross-posting to soc.history.medieval.
I'm sure they can do without your self-contradictory recommendations.
Peter Stewart
Alex Maxwell Findlater
chart, so that others may see it too.
Dear John
The attached will doubtless accord you some satisfaction and also a
small wonderment that yet again the indomitable Barrow has been here
already.
The article is in the 1978 Scottish Genealogis. He deals with four
families, MacWilliam, de Morville, Randolph and that of Master
Gamelin. This chart is, by the way, the only one.
I must confess that I was completely side-tracked by the FitzGilbert,
instead of "son of". I have always been wary of Fitz's, wondering
when they were anachronistic. Yet I happily accept the Fitz in the
FitzHerbert family and that of Warkworth. Perhaps it would be
possible to use fitz for filius/o and Fitz, when it has become
established as a surname. Meanwhile I shall probably continue to
wobble between "Fitz" and "son of" depending on context.
If I can post the chart somewhere on the web, I'll do that.
Good luck
Alex
The link is below:
http://heraldry-scotland.com/copgal/albums/userpics/10040/de_Boyville_of_Levington_per_GWSB.jpg
John P. Ravilious
Dear Alex,
Thanks for your rapid review, and replies. We are indeed
indebted to Prof. Barrow, a fact already known, and now nicely
reinforced. Also to Dr. Stringer, with whom I do not always agree,
but for whose efforts I'm always appreciative.
This does seem to resolve the descent of Kilbucho, etc. and
provides a good deal more structure to the many documents provided in
the Reg. Honoris de Morton. The bad news is, I've not seen the 1st
volume except in a passing opportunity at the LOC; the good news is,
Vol II (with the Latin charter text) is available online, either with
a query in GoogleBooks of "Registrum Honoris Morton", or at
I have not seen the 1978 article by Prof. Barrow, although there
are myriad references to it on the WWW. When next I get a chance at
the LOC, I will see if this volume is available.
Again, my thanks for your views and reply.
Cheers,
John
On Jun 10, 12:51?am, Alex Maxwell Findlater
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