Nicholas Robinson of Boston, Lincolnshire -- father of (unknown) Robinson 2nd Wife of Lionel Goodrick of East Kirby

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Hello Newsgroup,
I was looking through Lincolnshire Pedigrees at the Robinson pedigrees and found the Robinson's (or Robertson's) of Boston, Lincolnshire. It provides a pedigree that identifies a couple of generations of Nicholas Robinson's that fit the period for the Nicholas Robinson who was the father of the (unknown) Robinson who married Lionel Goodrick of East Kirby (whose daughter Anne Goodrick gateway ancestor Joseph Bolles descends from). However, it does not identify an unknown daughter married to Lionel Goodrick. The Goodrick of East Kirby pedigree in volume 2 of the Lincolnshire Pedigrees lists her as: ...dau. of Nicholas Robinson of Boston.

The links to the pages on the Robinson (or Robertson) of Boston, Lincolnshire are:

https://archive.org/stream/lincolnshirepedi03madd#page/166/mode/2up

https://archive.org/stream/lincolnshirepedi03madd#page/168/mode/2up

I am curious of the opinions of others, as to whether or not they feel this is the correct Robinson family of the Nicholas Robinson identified as the father of the daughter who married Lionel Goodrick of East Kirby. If so, which Nicholas Robinson in the pedigree is the likely candidate?

Any help or opinions on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Jordan Vandenberg.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

If the (unknown) Robinson who was married to Lionel Goodrick of East Kirby is connected to one of the Nicholas Robinson’s of Boston, found in Lincolnshire Pedigrees, and in the Visitation of Lincolnshire, it seems as though the only one who fits is Nicholas Robinson, Merchant of Staple, Mayor of Boston 1544 who was married to Florence (listed in both the Lincolnshire Pedigrees and Visitation as Florence the daughter of ….Yarforth/Yerforth, but in an archived post [linked below] by Douglas Richardson identified as Florence Style). This seems to be the case, because his son Nicholas Robinson married Anne Knyvet (daughter of Charles Knyvet and Anne Lacy, whom also married Leonard Irby and Robert Carr) on 10 AUG 1555 in Sempringham, Lincolnshire, and died in the year 1560. The dates of these events do not allow for (unknown) Robinson whom married Lionel Goodrick (died 29 Aug 1561 and married his 3rd wife Winifred Sapcote prior to 1553) to have been the younger Nicholas Robinson’s daughter. Besides the younger Nicholas Robinson (married to Anne Knyvet), it seems evident from the Lincolnshire Visitation that Nicholas Robinson and Florence (Yarforth or Style?) had another son Brian whom is also mentioned in the linked post below. There is no mention of a daughter though. Does anyone know if there is evidence of Nicholas Robinson and Florence having a daughter?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/nicholas$20robinson%7Csort:relevance/soc.genealogy.medieval/-jpeG6bISYQ/IySJsiKgeEkJ

[Jordan Vandenberg]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

Below is a link to the copy of the will of Nicholas Robinson (or Robertson), Esq. husband of Florence Style. The will is dated 27 March 1552 and proved 05 July 1552. The will is in English, but it is very difficult to read the script. However, I am able to make out the names of Edward Goodrick (on pg.1) and Richard Goodrick (on pg.4), but cannot read the writing surrounding the names to figure out their relationship to Nicholas Robinson. The (unknown) Robinson daughter of Nicholas Robinson had issue with Lionel Goodrick: two sons named Edward and Richard, and a daughter Anne. Perhaps the will provides the evidence that the Nicholas Robinson's (or Robertson) are the same person.

I was also able to make out the names of Nicholas Robinson's sons Nicholas and Brian in the will. I am not sure if it mentions a daughter, but if he is the father of the (unknown) Robinson who married Lionel Goodrick, she would have likely been deceased by 1552 when the will was dated since Lionel Goodrick married his 3rd wife before 1553. If she is not mentioned in the will, perhaps this is why.


https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakBpYH8fcvPy1XT41

Any feedback or assistance would be welcomed and appreciated.

Jordan Vandenberg.

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 10:03:28 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg

> I was also able to make out the names of Nicholas Robinson's sons Nicholas and Brian in the will. I am not sure if it mentions a daughter, but if he is the father of the (unknown) Robinson who married Lionel Goodrick, she would have likely been deceased by 1552 when the will was dated since Lionel Goodrick married his 3rd wife before 1553. If she is not mentioned in the will, perhaps this is why.
>
>
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakBpYH8fcvPy1XT41

I am having trouble reading this on my phone, but I see "I will that Edward Goodrick my grandson L2..."

[taf]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 7:52:54 PM UTC-8, joe...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> I am having trouble reading this on my phone, but I see "I will that Edward
> Goodrick my grandson L2..."

If I am looking at the same phrase, it reads "Also I will that Edward Goodricke my goodsone & nephew have (? tenne ?) pounds when he shalbe of thage of xxi years". At the time the word nephew extended to include grandson.

taf

[Jan Wolfe]

Nicholas Robertson (not Robinson)
...
"Edward Goodricke my good sone & nephew" when 21
"yonge William Tupholme my godson and nephew" when 21
"William Tupholme his father"
"Doughter Frannces and her husband William Tupholme"
...
"Mr. Richard Goodricke of London be the supervisor"

Since he refers to a son of his daughter as a nephew, perhaps Edward was the son of a deceased daughter (or perhaps William was a second husband of Frances).

[Jan Wolfe]

The monetary bequests to sons Nicholas and Bryan (when age 21) mention "payment of all legacies & bequestes bequeathed" unto them by their "late grandmother Lady Elizabeth Yarforth(e) of London."

[Jordan Vandenberg]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

Thanks Joe, Todd and Jan for the replies and assistance.

It seems promising that the Nicholas Robinson/Robertson whose daughter married Lionel Goodrick was the same person as the Nicholas Robinson/Robertson who was married to Florence Style. Jan, the Richard Goodrick you mentioned is most likely the elder brother of Edward Goodrick whose is also mentioned in the will. He is named as the guardian of his brother Edward and sister Anne in his will dated 14 Nov 1556 and proved 08 June 1562. At the time of his will Edward and Anne were still not of age.

An abstract of Goodrick Wills that has been transcribed is linked below.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakCCU0K16LrZISfk0

Jan, I think you are correct when you inferred that Edward was the son of a deceased daughter, since Lionel Goodrick married his 3rd wife (unknown Robinson was his 2nd) prior to 1553 and this will is from 1552. Also, it appears (if the link to an archived post below is correct) that the Lady Elizabeth Yarforth of London that you mention was Elizabeth Wolston who married (1) John Style (2) Sir James Yarforth and was the daughter of Sir Grey/Guy Wolston and Margaret Tamworth.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/nicholas$20robinson%7Csort:relevance/soc.genealogy.medieval/0aku7c8qZ6o/HtZ9wpt1G2UJ

Thanks so much for assistance,
Jordan.

[Jan Wolfe]

I do not think that Richard Goodricke was the elder brother of Edward because Edward is described as the heir apparent of Lionel. Richard's will does not mention Richard's relationship to Edward and Anne.

The part about the wardship is in an addendum to Richard's will dated the 12th "of May in the iiijth yere of the raigne of our Soueraigne Ladie Quene Elizabeth" in which Richard mentions that the Queen "that now is hath lately giuen and graunted to me and my assignes the wardshippe and marriage of Edward Goodricke sonne and heire apparante of Lyon Goodricke deceased, and so from heire male to heire male, And likewise the wardshipp and marriage of Anne Goodricke daughter to the said Lyon yf it happens the said heire male to faile I give and bequeath the said wardshipps and marriages of the said Edward and Anne and of either of them to my said wief ..."
http://interactive.ancestry.com/5111/40611_311147-00215/853515
PCC Prob 11 piece 45 Streat

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 10:52:54 PM UTC-5, joe...@gmail.com wrote:

mea cupla.

On my full screen this is very clearly not "grandson". todd and jan have it right.
Richard Goodrick is surely the Richard Goodrick of London, named guardian of Edward and Anne at the death of Lionel, not a Richard brother of Edward. I do not know the relationship between Lionel Goodrick and that Richard Goodrick.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

I looked at the Goodrick pedigrees that I have been able to find, and my own tree and there is no other Goodrick with that close of a connection to a Nicholas Robinson or any other Robinson, except for the one proposed. Todd mentioned at the time that the word nephew extended to include grandson. This appears to be the case. Further the age of the Edward Goodrick in Richard and Lionel Goodrick's wills seems to coincide with the Edward Goodrick mentioned in the will of Nicholas Robinson.
Are those who have looked into this so far of the opinion that the connection between Edward Goodrick and Nicholas Robinson (as his grandfather) is likely to be the case?

I have just located the scans of the will of Thomas Robinson the father of this Nicholas Robinson, which appears to make mention of a number of people, one of which is Florence seemingly described as his daughter and wife of his son Nicholas. The will is quite lengthy and I haven't had a chance to really look at it, but I am of the hope that it identifies a daughter(s) of his son Nicholas. I will post a link to the will shortly if any are interested in taking a look.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

The link to the digital scans of the will for Thomas Robinson/Robertson mentioned in the previous post is:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakCIuHfS53RuJZomE
Thanks,
Jordan.

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 8:43:03 AM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 6:52:51 AM UTC-5, joe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 10:52:54 PM UTC-5, joe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 10:03:28 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg
> > > > I was also able to make out the names of Nicholas Robinson's sons Nicholas and Brian in the will. I am not sure if it mentions a daughter, but if he is the father of the (unknown) Robinson who married Lionel Goodrick, she would have likely been deceased by 1552 when the will was dated since Lionel Goodrick married his 3rd wife before 1553. If she is not mentioned in the will, perhaps this is why.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakBpYH8fcvPy1XT41
> > >
> > > I am having trouble reading this on my phone, but I see "I will that Edward Goodrick my grandson L2..."
> >
> > mea cupla.
> >
> > On my full screen this is very clearly not "grandson". todd and jan have it right.
> > Richard Goodrick is surely the Richard Goodrick of London, named guardian of Edward and Anne at the death of Lionel, not a Richard brother of Edward. I do not know the relationship between Lionel Goodrick and that Richard Goodrick.
>
> I looked at the Goodrick pedigrees that I have been able to find, and my own tree and there is no other Goodrick with that close of a connection to a Nicholas Robinson or any other Robinson, except for the one proposed. Todd mentioned at the time that the word nephew extended to include grandson. This appears to be the case.

Yes, at this time, 'nephew' referred broadly to any younger male relative who was not a son, and in my experience more often in a will refers to grandson than what we refer to as 'nephew' today.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

Within the will of James Yarford (2nd husband) of Elizabeth (Sapcote or Wolston) who first married John Style and is mother of Florence Style who married Nicholas Robertson/Robinson is mention of an Elizabeth daughter of Nicholas Robertson and Florence his wife, which provides evidence that they did have a daughter as well as their sons Nicholas and Brian.

This is mentioned about 2/3 of the way down the top portion of page 3 of the will. I have not been able to look at the rest of the will closely enough to tell whether or not it mentions in some way the family Elizabeth his wife belongs to (Sapcote or Wolston). The will for James Yarford is linked below.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakDQehFjcE8zjWJ8q

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 9:18:28 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

What is the Edward III link you mention?

[Jordan Vandenberg]

The wife of Nicholas Robertson/Robinson, Florence Style was the daughter of John Style, Alderman of London and his wife Elizabeth. There seems to be some discrepancy as to whether Elizabeth was the daughter of Guy Wolston by his wife Margaret, or if she is the daughter of Guy Sapcote and Margaret Wolston (who was the daughter of the Guy Wolston). In the thread I recently started about Guy Sapcote and whether he had one or two daughters there is additional information.
The possible link to Edward III would hinge on Nicholas Robertson/Robinson's wife Florence Style being the daughter of Guy Sapcote and Margaret Wolston. If that is the case, I believe she would descend from Edward III through the Sapcote line below:

Edward III
John of Gaunt = Catherine Roet
Joan Beaufort = Ralph Nevill
Richard Nevill = Alice Montagu
Alice Nevill = Henry FitzHugh
Elizabeth FitzHugh = Nicholas Vaux
Alice Vaux = Richard Sapcote of Elton
William Sapcote = Anne Semark
Guy Sapcote = Margaret Wolston
Elizabeth Sapcote = John Style ****link in question****
Florence Style = Nicholas Robinson/Robertson

[Further if Nicholas Robinson and Florence Style prove to be the parents of the unknown (possibly named Elizabeth) Robinson/Robertson who married Lionel Goodrick the line would continue as]

(unknown possibly Elizabeth) Robinson/Robertson = Lionel Goodrick
Anne Goodrick = Benjamin Bolles
Thomas Bolles = Elizabeth Perkins
Joseph Bolles of Maine

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 10:51:40 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> The possible link to Edward III would hinge on Nicholas Robertson/Robinson's wife Florence Style being the daughter of Guy Sapcote and Margaret Wolston. If that is the case, I believe she would descend from Edward III through the Sapcote line below:

The line below from the visitations is hopelessly, hopelessly wrong. I've added dates below.

>
> Edward III
> John of Gaunt = Catherine Roet
> Joan Beaufort = Ralph Nevill
> Richard Nevill = Alice Montagu
> Alice Nevill = Henry FitzHugh
> Elizabeth FitzHugh = Nicholas Vaux

> Alice Vaux = Richard Sapcote of Elton [in 1501]
...OK With above... but then if you assign dates subsequent to 1501 here:
> William Sapcote [1501?] = Anne Semark
> Guy Sapcote [1521?]= Margaret Wolston
> Elizabeth Sapcote [1541?] = John Style [John dead 1505]

John did not die half a century before his wife was born. The grandfather of Elizabeth Sapcote may well have been named William Sapcote, but that William was not the son of Richard Sapcote of Elton
Joe Cook

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Hi Joe,
The line appears in a archived post on the forum made by Douglas Richardson. The post is from 2003, but brings the line from Edward III to Guy Sapcote and his wife Margaret Wolston. The link is below. But you seem to be right the death of John Style in 1505 seems to create an issue, and kills the possiblity of the line.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/guy$20sapcote%7Csort:relevance/soc.genealogy.medieval/mdSZ1YTyxi4/OJzOjP_rQWkJ
Thanks for the input,
Jordan.

[karen sims]

In the will of Sir James Yarford: "for the soules also of Sir Guy Wolstone
and Margarett his wife, father and mother to my said wife"


image 4 on Thomas Robertson's will - starting on line 2
Item: I will that Nicholas my sonne have all the plate that I delivered hym
in his kepying
when he wente to kepe house a ffosdike there whych is in whate fyve
hundryth and six ounces
Also I will that said Nicholas have my debt boke and more of my plate that
in my
house that I dwell in in Boston six hundreth ounces. And so I will that he
in all xj
hundrith ounces and six ounces which I will that one hundreth ounces and
six ounces be made
in six cuppes gylte and six and to be gyven to my doughter fflorence and
* to his v daughters Elenour, Elizabeth, Isabell, Marie and Ffrances *clvj
ti and xiijs iijd which some of money
and plate gyven afore to the said Nicholas I have gyven and delyvered afore
to the saide
Nicholas Robertson in my lyfffe as apperithe by on byll of his hand that he
hath receyded
it....

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[Jordan Vandenberg]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

Karen thank you very much for your transcription of the old script from the will. It appears from what you have transcribed that Elizabeth who married John Style and James Yarford was the daughter of Sir Guy Wolston and Margaret.
I just wanted to double check; in the second part of your post from the will of Thomas Robertson, is it stating that those 5 daughters were of his son Nicholas and Florence, or is it saying that they are his daughters? It reads to me that they are Nicholas' daughters. Is this correct?
Thanks again,
Jordan.

[joe...@gmail.com]

Have you seen the will of Elizabeth (Wolston/Sapcott) Style?
TNA PROB 11/32, ff. 96-7. year 1548. This may have more info and especially if her grandaughter ? Robinson was still living in 1548

[Jordan Vandenberg]

I haven't taken a look at it as of yet. I am really brutal at deciphering the old script and have still been trying to look closely at Thomas Robertson/Robinson and James Yarford's. Do you have access to it, or have you looked at it at all? I have downloaded it from ancestry.ca, but have not read through it yet. I am hopeful it has something useful. I noticed in the Thomas Robertson will that he mentions his late mother Agnes Leake, which is another piece of the Lincolnshire Pedigree I started out with confirmed.

[joe...@gmail.com]

Read through it just now. Nothing terribly interesting pops out. She names her daughter Florence Stile as co-executor, but I don't see her mention any of the descendants of Florence

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Thanks Joe, That's too bad there is no mention.

I just tracked down the PCC wills of Guy Wolston and John Style and am going to try and look through them today. I am still working on the Thomas Robinson will as it pretty lengthy compared to others. I noticed in the PCC Wills index on ancestry that there were two entries for Elizabeth Yarford with the same date. A downloaded both but haven't looked at it yet. The first page is different so I am wondering if there were documents, or if ancestry just split up the entry.

Below are the links to Sir Guy Wolston (d.1504) and John Style (d.1505) if anyone is interested in them.

John Style PCC will link
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakDnHxoSDzMqAbqk_

Guy Wolston PCC will link
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakDjHn_MRBElhjIh8

I also came across a past post in the thread: Re: The Tamworth Descent of Mrs. Margaret (Estouteville) Sheppard regarding the Tamworth's. Sir Guy Wolston and his wife Margaret Tamworth (Thomworth) are present in the desecent as are Nicholas Robinson and Florence Style.
The post was from 15 Jul 2010. The link is here below:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/tamworth%7Csort:relevance/soc.genealogy.medieval/0aku7c8qZ6o/HtZ9wpt1G2UJ

Can anyone weigh in on the validity of line presented?
Which Lord Willoughby and Lord Lisle would the Anne's named in the line be daughters of?

Thanks again,
Jordan.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

I found a book entitled: The History and Antiquities of Boston, and the Villages of Skirbeck ... that outlines a good part of the Tamworth descent mentioned in my previous post just above. The link is below.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=x8w-AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA587&lpg=PA587&dq=%22john+tamworth%22+willoughby&source=bl&ots=Zs5u9CjliD&sig=rgp-ciSvPJgakledCAlbh6OMAkA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22john%20tamworth%22%20willoughby&f=false

[karen sims]

this will of John Style is the wrong John Style - the correct John Style
might be the Uncle John Style mentioned in this will
the correct John Style also died in 1505, (28 Sept according to the IPM)
but I have not located his will

found 2 IPM's for the correct John Style - the first is only a fragment #325
https://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/198/mode/2up

The second #371 (same book) gives heir as Humphrey age 6, and Elizabeth the
widow and wife of James Yarford
https://archive.org/stream/calendarofinquis03great#page/234/mode/2up

Karen

[karen sims]

The image for this lawsuit is here:

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT7/ChP/C1no226/IMG_0015.htm

I am not able to make out enough of it



Reference:C 1/226/8
Description:Short title: Style v Wolston.

Plaintiffs: John Style and Elizabeth, his wife, daughter of Sir Guy
Wolston, knight, and of Margaret, late his wife.

Defendants: Sir Guy Wolston, knight, and Margaret, his second wife, and
Robert Wyttelbury.

Subject: The manors of Hale, Apethorpe, Yarewell, Castur, and Tansoure,
with other messuages and lands. Northamptonshire
Note: Partly faded. Date: 1493-1500 Held by: The National Archives, Kew
<http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a?_ref=66>

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Jordan Vandenberg <

jordanva...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 4:26:31 AM UTC-5, joe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 1:05:29 AM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> > > On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 12:51:50 AM UTC-5, joe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> > > > On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 12:31:03 AM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg
> wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, January 18, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Jordan
> Vandenberg wrote:
> > > > > > Hello Newsgroup,
> > > > > > I was looking through Lincolnshire Pedigrees at the Robinson
> pedigrees and found the Robinson's (or Robertson's) of Boston,
> Lincolnshire. It provides a pedigree that identifies a couple of
> generations of Nicholas Robinson's that fit the period for the Nicholas
> Robinson who was the father of the (unknown) Robinson who married Lionel
> Goodrick of East Kirby (whose daughter Anne Goodrick gateway ancestor
> Joseph Bolles descends from). However, it does not identify an unknown
> daughter married to Lionel Goodrick. The Goodrick of East Kirby pedigree in
> volume 2 of the Lincolnshire Pedigrees lists her as: ...dau. of Nicholas
> Robinson of Boston.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The links to the pages on the Robinson (or Robertson) of Boston,
> Lincolnshire are:
> > > > > >

> > > > > > https://archive.org/stream/lincolnshirepedi03madd#page/
> 166/mode/2up
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://archive.org/stream/lincolnshirepedi03madd#page/
> 168/mode/2up
> > > > > >

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Karen,
Thank you very much for your assistance with this. I have tried to locate the will for the correct John Style you mentioned who also died in 1505, but so far have not had any luck either. Thank you for the IPM's and the image of the lawsuit. It is very difficult to make out as you mentioned. I am going to play with the contrast and the exposure of the image to see if it makes the writing easier to decipher.
Cheers,
Jordan.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

I came across a couple of Common Pleas that include Thomas Robertson, the father of Nicholas Robertson/Robinson who married Florence Style. An interesting bit information in one is that it includes the parents of his wife Isbella Gooding. I was aware that her father was Richard Gooding, but up until this point was unaware that her mother's name was Anne. I also found a common plea that includes Guy Wolston included below, which discusses the transfer of land upon their heirs, which may have something to do with the lawsuit Karen posted earlier (that is very difficult to decipher), between Elizabeth Wolston, John Style and Guy's 2nd wife Margaret.

CP 25/1/145/165, number 47.
Link: Image of document at AALT

County: Lincolnshire.
Place: Westminster.
Date: One month from St Michael, 18 Henry VII [27 October 1502].
Parties: Thomas Robartson', William Cutlard', Geoffrey Paynell', Richard Robartson', clerk, William Goderyk', Edward Henyn' and William Rede, querents, andRichard Godyng' and Anne, his wife, deforciants.
Property: 1 messuage and 1 garden in Boston'.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Richard Godyng' and Anne have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Thomas, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Anne to Thomas, William, Geoffrey, Richard Robartson', William, Edward and William and the heirs of Thomas for ever.
Warranty: Warranty.
For this: Thomas, William, Geoffrey, Richard Robertson', William, Edward and William have given them 40 marks of silver.

Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.)
Persons: Thomas Robertson, William Cutlard, Geoffrey Paynell, Richard Robertson, William Goodrick, Edward Hennin, William Reed, Richard Gooding, Anne Gooding
Places: Boston

CP 25/1/145/165, number 56.
Link: Image of document at AALT

County: Lincolnshire.
Place: Westminster.
Date: The day after All Souls, 19 Henry VII [3 November 1503].
Parties: Thomas Robertson' and John Bollys, querents, and Thomas Delalaunde and Katherine, his wife, deforciants.
Property: 1 acre of land and 5 acres of pasture in Algarkyrk'.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Thomas Delalaunde and Katherine have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Thomas Robertson', as those which the same Thomas and John have of their gift, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Katherine to Thomas Robertson' and John and the heirs of Thomas Robertson' for ever.
Warranty: Warranty against Robert, prior of Spalding, and his successors.
For this: Thomas Robertson' and John have given them 10 pounds sterling.

Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.)
Persons: Thomas Robertson, John Bolls, Thomas de la Launde, Katherine de la Launde
Places: Algarkirk


CP 25/1/179/97, number 22.
Link: Image of document at AALT

Link: Image of dorse of document at AALT

County: Northamptonshire.
Place: Westminster.
Date: The day after Ascension, 7 Henry VII [1 June 1492].
Parties: Thomas Mountagu and John Holcote, querents, and Guy Wolston', knight, and Margaret, his wife, deforciants.
Property: The manors of Apethorp', Tansore, Hale, Cast[ur'] and Yarwell' and 80 messuages, 1 mill, 1080 acres of land, 200 acres of meadow, 200 acres of pasture, 15 acres of wood and 22 shillings of rent in Apethorp', Tansore, Hale, Cotherstoke, Glapthorn', Castur', Aylesworth', Upton', Yarwell', Wodeneuton' and Kyngesclyff'.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: Guy and Margaret have acknowledged the manors and tenements to be the right of Thomas, as those which Thomas and John have of their gift.
For this: Thomas and John have granted to Guy and Margaret the manors and tenements and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to Guy and Margaret and the male heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, successive remainders (1) to Etheldreda, daughter of Guy and of Margaret, and the heirs of her body and (2) to the heirs of the bodies of Guy and Margaret. In default of such heirs the manors of Apethorp', Hale and Yarwell' and 40 messuages, 540 acres of land, 100 acres of meadow, 100 acres of pasture, 7 and a half acres of wood and 11 shillings of rent in the vills of Apethorp', Hale, Yarwell', Wodeneuton' and Kyngesclyff' shall remain to the right heirs of Margaret, to hold of the chief lords for ever, and the manors of Tansore and Castur' and 40 messuages, the mill, 540 acres of land, 100 acres of meadow, 100 acres of pasture, 7 and a half acres of wood and 11 shillings of rent in the vills of Tansore, Casture', Cotherstoke, Glapthorn', Aylesworth' and Upton' shall remain to the right heirs of Guy, to hold of the chief lords for ever.

Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.)
Persons: Thomas Montague, John Holcote, Guy Wolston, Margaret Wolston, Etheldreda Wolston
Places: Apethorpe, Tansor, 'Hale', Castor, Yarwell, Cotterstock, Glapthorne, Ailsworth, Upton, Wood Newton, King's Cliffe

[Jordan Vandenberg]

I have been looking over the will of Nicholas Robertson/Robinson more closely and just noticed that on the 40th line down on the 2nd page, I can make out the name of Lyon Goodryk, whom I am trying to confirm married a daughter of this Nicholas Robertson/Robinson. Lyon is the last word on the 40th line and Goodryk is the first word on the 41st line. I am having difficulty making out the lines 39-42. I would be appreciative if someone with a more keen eye with the old script could offer me assistance.

The link to the PCC will is below:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakBpYH8fcvPy1XT41

Thanks,
Jordan.

[Jan Wolfe]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 12:07:42 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> I have been looking over the will of Nicholas Robertson/Robinson more closely and just noticed that on the 40th line down on the 2nd page, I can make out the name of Lyon Goodryk, whom I am trying to confirm married a daughter of this Nicholas Robertson/Robinson. Lyon is the last word on the 40th line and Goodryk is the first word on the 41st line. I am having difficulty making out the lines 39-42. I would be appreciative if someone with a more keen eye with the old script could offer me assistance.
>
> The link to the PCC will is below:
> https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsMhcvOEJ_pakBpYH8fcvPy1XT41
>
> Thanks,
> Jordan.

...
Also I giue vnto to Master Lyon Goodrycke fyve pundes, and to his wief a Ringe worthe fourtie shillings.

The previous sentence is a bequest to a servant Geffray Kerke. The following sentince is a bequest to Nicholas' brother Anthony and Anthony's wife.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Thanks so much Jan.
I know that he married his 3rd wife Winifred Sapcotts prior to 1553, so the wife he is leaving the ring to would likely be her. Would it be unusual for him to leave money/items to a deceased daughter's husband and wife?
Thanks again

[wjhonson]

What is the evidence that Nicholas Robinson (who married in 1555 to Anne Knyvett) wasn't married perviously?

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:

> > Also I giue vnto to Master Lyon Goodrycke fyve pundes, and to his wief a Ringe worthe fourtie shillings.
> >
> > The previous sentence is a bequest to a servant Geffray Kerke. The following sentince is a bequest to Nicholas' brother Anthony and Anthony's wife.

I don't think there can be any doubt now that this Nicholas Robinson, son of Thomas and husband of Florence Style is the father of the <unknown> Robinson, wife of Lionel Goodrick.

I have to review the evidence again that pegs Anne Goodrick, wife of Benjamin Bolles as a daughter of Lionel's Robinson wife to make sure this link is also solid. She was identified as daughter of Winnifred Sapcote for some time. I think it may have been Douglas Richardson who presented evidence correcting this.

Joe C

[Jordan Vandenberg]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 1:55:37 PM UTC-5, wjhonson wrote:
> What is the evidence that Nicholas Robinson (who married in 1555 to Anne Knyvett) wasn't married perviously?

I am unsure what you are referring to. The Nicholas Robinson/Robertson who married Florence Style (daughter of John Style and Elizabeth Wolston) discussed here died in 1552, and is his will appears to mention three children by name. Those are his sons Nicholas and Bryan, and a daughter Francis who married William Tupholme and had a son William Tupholme. Edward Goodrick is also mentioned in the same way as the younger William Tupholme, but his mother was deceased and appears to have been another daughter of Nciholas Robinson/Robertson and Florence Style. In a previous post in the thread, Karen Sims kindly transcribe from the script on Nicholas Sr's father Thomas Robertson's will the name of 5 daughters for Nicholas and Florence. There names were Francis, Elizabeth, Eleonore, Marie and Isabel. It seems likely that the mother of Edward Goodrick was on of the other 4 daughters.
Nicholas Robinson/Robertson Jr. who married Anne Knyvet, since the one discussed here died in 1552 3 years before he married.

[joe...@gmail.com]

OK. The visitation of Lincolnshire 1562-4 has Anne, wife of Benjamin Bolles as the daughter of Nicholas Robinson of Boston. Richardson's "Magna Carta Ancestry" follows this as well. RD600, however, gives her mother as Winifred Sapcote. Winifred Sapcote was certainly the surviving and final wife as she remarried. I'm not sure why RD600 does not follow the visitation here.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Perhaps RD600 got it from Lincolnshire pedigrees. They have the order of the spouses mixed up and list (unknown) Robinson as the 3rd spouse rather than the 2nd, and Winifred Sapcotts as the 2nd wife. It also attributes all 3 of the children (Edward, Richard and Anne) to Winifred. Chronologically it is not possible for (unknown) Robinson to have been the 3rd wife due to what we have found thus far.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

I cam across a reference to a brass effigy of Thomas Robertson's father (grandfather of Nicholas who married Florence Style) Nicholas Robertson who died in 1498. The effigy is in St Peter and St Paul's in Algarkirk, Lincolnshire. The reference linked below describes the effigy and the people in it. Represented are Nicholas and his two wives (1st wife Alice/Agnes Leake, and his 2nd wife Isabella). However I could not find an image of the effigy anywhere online.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=sBgtAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA281&ots=A8r7dUaFR5&dq=%22nicholas%20robertson%22%20effigy%20algarkirk&pg=PA281#v=onepage&q=%22nicholas%20robertson%22%20effigy%20algarkirk&f=false

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 6:10:42 PM UTC-5, Jordan Vandenberg wrote:
> I cam across a reference to a brass effigy of Thomas Robertson's father (grandfather of Nicholas who married Florence Style) Nicholas Robertson who died in 1498. The effigy is in St Peter and St Paul's in Algarkirk, Lincolnshire. The reference linked below describes the effigy and the people in it. Represented are Nicholas and his two wives (1st wife Alice/Agnes Leake, and his 2nd wife Isabella). However I could not find an image of the effigy anywhere online.
>
> https://books.google.ca/books?id=sBgtAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA281&ots=A8r7dUaFR5&dq=%22nicholas%20robertson%22%20effigy%20algarkirk&pg=PA281#v=onepage&q=%22nicholas%20robertson%22%20effigy%20algarkirk&f=false

I haven't find a picture either, but I just contacted them and I will let you know what they say this week.

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Thanks Joe.

There is an interesting commentary on the PCC will of Thomas Robertson that is part of a thesis paper entitled:"Withering on the vine:the connectivity between the people of Lincolnshire and their monastic houses, 1500 to 1540."
The thesis is online and linked below the citation. The section in regards to Thomas Robertson begins on the bottom of page 253 (267 of pdf) and continues to page 256 (270 of pdf).

Hodgkinson, Brian Wilfrid (2013) Withering on the vine:the connectivity between the people of Lincolnshire andtheir monastic houses, 1500 to 1540. PhD thesis,University of Nottingham.

http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/13809/1/bwh_thesis-1.pdf

[Jordan Vandenberg]

The following are deeds and information on about some of the land holdings of Sir Guy Wolston. The description of the lawsuit that Karen Sims cited in an earlier post mentions some of the land holdings described below. The information on the land holding of Apethorpe is particularly interesting, because it links Sir Guy Wolston (through mention of him bequeathing the property to Thomas Empson), wife Margaret, daughter Audrey/Etheldreda, John Style and Elizabeth Wolston (who 2nd married James Yarford) as part of the same family group. I had read in earlier threads on the forum about some discrepancy whether they were two different Guy Wolston’s (One attributed to Margaret and Audrey/Etheldreda and Thomas Empson, and the other to John Style and Elizabeth Wolston). My best guess is that Etheldreda was a daughter born of he and his 2nd wife Margaret, and Elizabeth Wolston was born of his 1st wife Margaret Tamworth.

'Deeds: A.7501 - A.7600', in A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 4, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1902), pp. 177-190. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol4/pp177-190 [accessed 21 January 2017].

A. 7543. Bill indented, being an acquittance by Sir Guye Wolston, knight, to Sir Richard Emson, knight, for 10l. in full payment of all money due to him upon the marriage between Thomas Emson, son and heir of the said Sir Richard, and Awdry his daughter and heir. 30 May, 19 Henry VII. English. Seal.

'Deeds: A.10001 - A.10100', in A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 4, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1902), pp. 491-508. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol4/pp491-508 [accessed 21 January 2017].

A. 10094. Indenture, 16 August, 13 Henry VII, being an acquittance by Sir Guye Wolston, knight, to Richard Emson, gentleman, for 100l. in part of the agreement between them for the marriage of Thomas, Richard's son and heir, with Audrie daughter of Sir Guye and Margaret his wife. English. Signature of Wolston and seal.

'Deeds: A.6001 - A.6100', in A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 3, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1900), pp. 251-264. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol3/pp251-264 [accessed 21 January 2017].

[Middx.]A. 6079. Indenture between Sir Guy Wolston, knight, and Dame Margaret his wife, of the one part, and Richard Emson of the other part, witnessing that the said Sir Guy and Dame Margaret have received at London from the said Richard 30l., part of the sum due to them on the marriage of Thomas Emson, son and heir apparent of the said Richard, with Audrey, daughter and heir apparent of the said Sir Guy and Dame Margaret. 9 June, 16 Henry [VII]. English. Signed. Two seals.

'Deeds: A.9201 - A.9300', in A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 4, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1902), pp. 402-410. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol4/pp402-410 [accessed 21 January 2017].

N'hamp. A. 9227. Bond by Richard Emson of Estneston, gentleman, to Guy Wolston, knight, in 30l. at Trinity, 1503. 11 June, 16 Henry VII. Signed. Receipt for 20l. endorsed.

'Deeds: A.6301 - A.6400', in A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 4, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1902), pp. 22-34. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol4/pp22-34 [accessed 21 January 2017].

[N'hamp.]A. 6307. Acquittance by Guy Wolston, knight, to Richard Emson, gentleman, for 20l. received by the hands of Hugh Caldecote, part of the 30l in which the said Richard was bound to the said Guy, upon certain agreements between them for a marriage between Thomas Emson and Etheldreda, Guy's daughter. 1 June, 17 Henry VII.

'Deeds: A.8401 - A.8500', in A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 4, ed. H C Maxwell Lyte (London, 1902), pp. 302-318. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol4/pp302-318 [accessed 21 January 2017].

A. 8405. Indenture made 14 June, 16 Henry VII, between Sir Guy Wolston, knight, and Dame Margaret his wife, of the one part, and Richard Emson, gentleman, of the other, whereby the said Richard agreed to be content with 200l. to be received from the said Sir Guy, in the event of the death of Audrey, daughter of the said Guy and Margaret, and wife of Thomas Emson his son and heir apparent, before the said marriage was consummated; in lieu of repayment in full, on security of land, of all sums he might have paid the said Guy in respect of the said marriage, as formerly covenanted between them. Seal.


*Below are the descriptions of his land holdings. I have snipped the parts relevant to Sir Guy Wolston.*


'Apethorpe', in An Inventory of the Historical Monuments in the County of Northamptonshire, Volume 6, Architectural Monuments in North Northamptonshire (London, 1984), pp. 1-16. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/northants/vol6/pp1-16 [accessed 20 January 2017].

APETHORPE
In the late 15th century Hale and Apethorpe were acquired by Sir Guy Wolston, an officer in the household of Edward IV who amassed an extensive holding of land in the area; he built a large house at Apethorpe and probably also rebuilt the church. His property passed c. 1550 to Sir Walter Mildmay and from his family to the Fanes, later Earls of Westmorland. The first Earl rebuilt much of Apethorpe Hall and also put up a monument to his father-in-law in the church. The creation of a major residence at Apethorpe had important consequences for the village. In 1551 only ten of the 44 tenements in the village were copyhold, suggesting a large buying-up of property by Wolston or his successors (NRO, W(A) XVI.5).
Secular

Apethorpe Hall (Plates 84–87) is a stone-built house consisting of ranges round two courtyards and standing in modestly sized gardens S. of the village. The present house was begun in the late 15th century by Sir Guy Wolstonwho acquired Apethorpe in c. 1480. In c. 1550 it passed by exchange to Sir Walter Mildmay, and in 1617 to Sir Francis Fane who was created Earl of Westmorland in 1624. He was responsible for much rebuilding. The 7th Earl began, but did not complete, an ambitious Palladian remodelling in c. 1740. The house remained in the hands of the Fanes until 1904.

Sir Guy Wolston, the initial builder of the house, rose in the household of the Dukes of York and thereby became usher to the King's Chamber to Edward IV. Three times sheriff of the county, he was made constable of Fotheringhay Castle in 1464, and was knighted in 1487. He died in 1504 bequeathing his property to his son-in-law, Thomas Empson, son of Sir Robert Empson, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster who was attainted in 1510 (Cal. Fine Rolls, Ed. IV and Hen. VI p. 169, 222; Hen. VII p. 82, 156). In 1515 Apethorpe and Wolston's other estates in the neighbourhood were bought by Henry Keble, grocer and Lord Mayor of London, and by his son-in-law Lord Mountjoy. Following Keble's death in 1517 Apethorpe was held by his son George until 1545 when Mountjoy sold it to the Crown. On its acquisition by Sir Walter Mildmay in c. 1550 the house was once again occupied by a courtier (VCH, Northants. II, 543). Mildmay's father had risen in office in the Court of Augmentations; Walter became a Surveyor General of that court, and eventually Treasurer of the Household and Chancellor of the Exchequer (D.N.B.; J.H. Round, Family Origins, p. 60–72). Apart from Apethorpe, Mildmay had only a London house, in St. Bartholomew's. When he bought it, Wolston's house had been enlarged by the Keble family, and Mildmay's only addition was a new S. range of 1562.


'Woodnewton', in An Inventory of the Historical Monuments in the County of Northamptonshire, Volume 6, Architectural Monuments in North Northamptonshire (London, 1984), pp. 165-171. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/northants/vol6/pp165-171 [accessed 21 January 2017].

WOODNEWTON

Woodnewton is a parish of 565 hectares in the Forest of Rockingham. The village lies on the N. side of Willow Brook and consists of a single street with a back lane on the N. Closes shown on the Enclosure Map of 1778 suggest an early extension of the village to the E., which had apparently contracted by the mid 16th century (NRO, W(A) XVI. 5). The sheltered position and fertile soil on the S. side of the street gave rise in the 19th century to a market gardening business based on the rapid transport of early radishes by local carriers. By the 16th century there were mills at both E. and W. ends of the village, but the E. mill was demolished in the mid 18th century. At the E. end of the village the road crossed the river by a ford until 1735 when the Earl of Westmorland replaced it by a bridge, designed by George Portwood of Stamford, on the site of the present one (NRO, W(A) 7. XV). The church was part of the endowment of the prebend of Nassington; along with the house to the N. it occupies a compact block of glebe within the regular layout of the village. In the Middle Ages the manor belonged to Fineshade Abbey, the manor house having been the W. tenement on the S. side of the street. Sir Guy Wolston gained possession of 17 tenements which came to form a separate manor in the 16th century. Both manors were acquired by Sir Walter Mildmay in 1551, and passed thence to the Earls of Westmorland. The amalgamation of the manors seems to have led to the extinguishing of the copyholds of Wolston's holdings; comparison of the survey of 1574 (NRO, W(A) XVI.5) with the Enclosure Map of 1778 shows that the 21 copyholds of 1551 had been reduced to 14. The concentration of vacant plots and wide-frontage farms on Westmorland's property indicates a policy of amalgamating holdings to form larger farms. Although the copyhold houses are generally smaller on average, by the early 19th century they included the more fashionable and up-to-date houses; only one copyhold house is thatched. The Westmorland estate appears to have been spending less money on its houses in the village during the 19th century than it had done previously.


'Tansor', in An Inventory of the Historical Monuments in the County of Northamptonshire, Volume 6, Architectural Monuments in North Northamptonshire (London, 1984), pp. 144-150. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/northants/vol6/pp144-150 [accessed 21 January 2017].

TANSOR
Tansor is a parish of 604 hectares on the E. bank of the R. Nene, the village standing above the flood plain. Formerly there was a village named Elmington, astride the parish boundary with Ashton, which was almost entirely depopulated in the late 15th century (RCHM, Northants. I, Ashton. Tansor village consists of a single long street, apparently always with houses on the N. side only. The church stands on a cramped site above the river, on the S. of the street. The manor belonged to the crown in the 11th century but became part of the honour of Clare in the 12th century. The church was rebuilt on a generous scale at this time. Later in the 12th century both manor and parish were split in two, and this division is reflected in the plan of the church. The parishes were reunited in 1324 but the two manors continued distinct. Sir Guy Wolston acquired the larger manor in the 15th century, and from him it passed to the Earls of Westmorland. The manor house has always been occupied by tenants and survives in part.

On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 10:28:49 AM UTC-5, karen sims wrote:

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Further on Sir Guy Wolston regarding his knighthood.
He was of 11 Knights of the Bath created on the eve of the coronation of Elizabeth, queen of Henry VII on November 24, 1487.

The knights of England : a complete record from the earliest time to the present day of the knights of all the orders of chivalry in England, Scotland, and Ireland, and of knights bachelors
by Shaw, William Arthur, 1865-1943; Burtchaell, George Dames, 1853-1921, 1906.
https://archive.org/stream/knightsofengland01shaw#page/142/mode/2up

[Jordan Vandenberg]

Hello,
Does anyone know if the Inquisition Post Mortem for Lionel Goodrick taken 3rd Elizabeth (no. 134) is available to view or transcribed online somewhere?
Any feedback on where to find it would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Jordan.