Harleston

[Lisa Beitchef]

Can any one confirm the parentage of

Vice Admiral of England Sir Richard Harleston Governor of Jersey as John
Harleston Armiger of Shimpling, Suffolk and Alice de Clopton?

Richards daughter was Marguerite Harleston who married Sir Philippe de
Carteret Seigneur of St Ouen Channel islands



Lisa

[John]

See Paul Reed's article in vol. 9 (1988) of "The Genealogist" [TG] on
the origins of the Harleston family of South Carolina. He itemizes
the children of John Harleston and Alice Clopton and does not include
the Admiral among them. He goes further to say that there is no
apparent connection between the Admiral and this family. The ODNB bio
of the Admiral specifies no parents for him - presumably they're
unknown.

[Leo]

Dear Lisa,

It is a good (but also a dangerous) thing to Google first. I just did this
and found a very interesting page abour (Sir) Richard Harleston, he
certainly seems to have had a colourful life.

There is a remark about his parentage : His family tree has been well
researched by specialists in medieval genealogy, although there is some
dispute over who exactly was his father.

Then there is a line at the bottom and when you press you get a line from
King John to the Harleston family. Here Richard is given John Harleston and
Alice Clopton as parents but he is not given a wife.

What I prefer doing is check such lineages to see if there are any
discrepancies. And I think there is one.

In the line is a simple Robert de Vere 1257-1331, married to Margaret de
Mortimer.
Robert de Vere turns out to be 6th Earl of Oxford and you can find him in CP
Volume X page 219. If you read his details, there is a remark he died
without issue, breaking the displayed line.

However, what I find interesting, is that Richard Harleston via his daughter
is an ancestor of the Carteret family and so, if all is correct, an ancestor
of and Prince William and also of Sarah Ferguson.

I hope someone else can add more positive information to this.
With Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Beitchef" <lisabe...@gmail.com>
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: Harleston


> Can any one confirm the parentage of
>
> Vice Admiral of England Sir Richard Harleston Governor of Jersey as John
> Harleston Armiger of Shimpling, Suffolk and Alice de Clopton?
>
> Richards daughter was Marguerite Harleston who married Sir Philippe de
> Carteret Seigneur of St Ouen Channel islands
>
>
>
> Lisa
>
>

> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> GEN-MEDIEV...@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[Lisa Beitchef]

Is there any evidence that Richard was indeed brought up in the household of
Richard Duke of York? This statement must therefore suggest that he was an
orphan or maybe his parents worked for the Duke in some capacity? Or was
this the custom of the day?

A well known website says "His family tree has been well researched by

specialists in medieval genealogy, although there is some dispute over who
exactly was his father".

Can any one suggest references that might help track Richards pedigree? I
have been unable to find anything that support this statement.

[John]

I assume the "well known website" that claims that ""His family tree

has been well researched by

specialists in medieval genealogy" is this one:
http://www.guernsey-society.org.uk/donkipedia/index.php5?title=Sir_Richard_Harliston

Note that it does not identify the "specialists in medieval genealogy"
who supposedly researched his ancestry - hardly a reliable site. And
the descent that it gives from King John has already been shown to be
wrong in at least two places - notably including the identification of
Richard's parents.

There's probably a good reason why you "have been unable to find
anything that support[s] this statement": - because there IS nothing
to support it. Just because a genealogy is on the web doesn't means
it has any reliability. If you really want to pursue this, start with
the ODNB bio and Paul Reed's article, both of which have already been
cited here, and follow the sources they list.

[Lisa Beitchef]

Hi yes this is the site. And Harleston's pedigree is not the only one which
is not correct.



Is either Paul Reed's article or the OBNB on line? Might be a silly question
to some!

[John]

Paul Reed's article is almost certainly not on-line - it's far too
recent. You'll probably have to look for the periodical in a library
(or ask your library to obtain a copy via inter-library loan if
possible). ODNB may be available to you on-line if your local library
has subscribed to its service. Or you could look for the old edition
of the DNB which many libraries have in book form.

[Wjhonson]

The DNB is online.

[Lisa Beitchef]

I have a book about the early life of Margaret Harleston (Titled the
Fortress) and her best friend Jacqueline Wallis daughter of Geoffry Wallis a
native of the Channel Islands. Some of the story is based at Richard
Harleston home of Oakland Park in Portsmouth. On four occasions an Aunty of
Margaret is mentioned that being the Lady Fitzhugh. Does anyone have any
idea on who the Lady Fitzhugh might be? This book also states that Geoffry
Wallis was Sir Philippe de Carteret's brother in law and that Jacqueline was
his niece. It appears Sir Philippe de Carteret husband of Margaret had been
previously married. His wife had died leaving a son Edouard de Carteret
prior to his marrage to Margaret Harleston.