Origin of Stuarts and the Fitz Alans
David L. Hintz
sources included the NEHGR article on "The Origin of the Stuarts and the
FitzAlans" (vol. 116, January 1962), previous GEN-MEDIEVAL posts, and other
(possibly unreliable) sources (WFT, Eaton genealogy, etc.). I'm
particularly interested in the validity of the Josceline de Dinan
descendancy to William Longespee and the Flaald de Dol descendancy to
William Fitz Alan/Isabel de Say (does anyone show them having a son Robert
de Eyton?).
Thanks,
Dave Hintz
dhi...@cdc.com
Descendants of Hamon de Dinan
1 Hamon de Dinan 956 - 1030
+Unknown
2 Salomon
+Raentlina
2 Hamon de Dinan
2 Josceline de Dinan 1010
3 Olivier de Dinan 1040
4 Geoffrey 1070
+Radegonde (Called Oriel) 1070
5 Alan De Dinan II 1100 - 1150
+Eleanor Of Penthievre 1100
6 Emma De Dinan 1130
+Robert III 1120 - 1173
7 Alianore De Vitre 1152 - 1233
+William Fitz Patrick 1140 - 1196
8 Ela Fitz Patrick 1180 - 1261
+William De Longespee 1173 - 1224/25
2 Junkeneus de Dol
2 Rhiwallon de Dol
+Aremburga
3 William de Dol
3 John de Dol
3 Rhiwallon de Dol
2 Flaald de Dol 986
3 Alan Fitz Flaald 1020
4 Alan
4 Flaald Fitz Alan 1060
5 Alan Fitz Flaald 1078 - 1114
+Avelina de Hesdin 1095
6 Walter Fitz Alan 1106
6 Jordan Fitz Alan 1108
6 William Fitz Alan 1110
+Isabel de Say
7 Robert de Eyton
4 Rhiwallon
2 Haton
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Can anyone comment on or expand the following descendancy chart. The
> sources included the NEHGR article on "The Origin of the Stuarts and the
> FitzAlans" (vol. 116, January 1962), previous GEN-MEDIEVAL posts, and other
> (possibly unreliable) sources (WFT, Eaton genealogy, etc.). I'm
> particularly interested in the validity of the Josceline de Dinan
> descendancy to William Longespee and the Flaald de Dol descendancy to
> William Fitz Alan/Isabel de Say (does anyone show them having a son Robert
> de Eyton?).
>
>
> 1 Hamon de Dinan 956 - 1030
> 2 Josceline de Dinan 1010
> 3 Olivier de Dinan 1040
> 4 Geoffrey 1070
> +Radegonde (Called Oriel) 1070
> 5 Alan De Dinan II 1100 - 1150
> +Eleanor Of Penthievre 1100
> 6 Emma De Dinan 1130
> +Robert III 1120 - 1173
> 7 Alianore De Vitre 1152 - 1233
> +William Fitz Patrick 1140 - 1196
> 8 Ela Fitz Patrick 1180 - 1261
> +William De Longespee 1173 - 1224/25
While I haven't gone back to my notes to confirm it, this looks correct.
> 2 Flaald de Dol 986
> 3 Alan Fitz Flaald 1020
> 4 Alan
> 4 Flaald Fitz Alan 1060
> 5 Alan Fitz Flaald 1078 - 1114
> +Avelina de Hesdin 1095
> 6 Walter Fitz Alan 1106
> 6 Jordan Fitz Alan 1108
> 6 William Fitz Alan 1110
> +Isabel de Say
> 7 Robert de Eyton
This is more problematic. Gen. 2 Flaald, Steward of Dol, was a
documented contemporary of Hamon's sons, who would have been his
overlords. That Flaald was their brother is speculation, and I think
not well founded. (FWIW, H. Guillotel has published a paper, and is
working on another, which attempt to trace Hamon further.) From there
to Gen. 6, it would seem to be well founded (in spite of the Banquo
claims that have just been given new life by a recent history of the
Royal Dynasty of Scotland). I have not before seen the linkage between
Eyton and Fitz Alan, but am sceptical.
taf
OR...@aol.com
David....@cdc.com writes:
<< 5 Alan Fitz Flaald 1078 - 1114
+Avelina de Hesdin 1095
6 Walter Fitz Alan 1106
6 Jordan Fitz Alan 1108
6 William Fitz Alan 1110
+Isabel de Say
7 Robert de Eyton >>
FWIW, I show William Fitz Alan, b. 1110, m. Helen Peverel b.1115, and their
son:
William II Fitz Alan ,<1136-1210> m. Isabel de Say b 1141.
Appears like a gen. missing? I do not have Robert de Eyton however, I do have
a note from a previos post:
The book "History/Genealogy of Eaton Families," by Nellie Molyheux, 1911,
traces the EATON line to its beginning as such:
1-- Banqui of Lochabar Thane (A. D. 1000)
2-- Fleance of Banqui
sp-Guenta Princess of North Wales
3-- Alan Fitz Flaald
sp-Amiera
4-- William Fitz Alan
sp-Isabel de Say
5-- Robert de Eaton
bill kullman
on the old oregon trail