MOLYNEUX / MULLINS [2]
Jim Stevens
>I have names and dob's of some, but interested in any other
>info. Thanks. Dave
The promised info from Zada Rice's book:
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1. ROBERT MOLYNEUX: According to tradition, which cannot be vouched for,
he was the son of Abelard, a Spanish priest of noble family and Heloise, a
French nun. But there is to be found among the Bishops of Hereford, the
name of Robert de Meulin, Priory of Llanthony, who was consecrated 22 Dec.,
1163, Ob. 27 Feb, 1166-7, therefore it would not be surprising if the
Robert de Meulin here named were not the son mentioned and the ancestor of
the House of Molyneux. As the story goes, Heloise left the cloister, going
to Moulin, where Robert was born. She then returned to the Cloister, where
by her pennance and piety she became the Abbess of the Cloister. This
illicit love was a scandal to the Church, and after the birth of the son
Robert they were privately married. The union did not appease the wrath of
the canon, and Abelard was expelled from the priesthood and became one of
the founders of the Oblates, a society still existing in the Caucasian
Mountains. (Tradition also tells us that from this order of Priests often
comes the call to the House of Molyneux, and when this call comes, the one
called leaves all to obey.) Robert Molyneux, born in Mouline, known as
"The Comte de Meulin", married ________ .
Robert had two sons, William and Vivian. Captain William Molyneux
(Molins) appears to have been one of the most distinguished, as well as
from the Battle Abbey roll, wherin his name stands 18th in order as from
the old Chronicles of the duchy, wherin he is set down and placed as a most
especial and chief man in nearness and singular credit with his royal
master. Captain William Molyneux and his brother, Vivian were in the 1st
expedition of the Army sent by William the Conquerer under the conduct of
Roger de Poytiers, and the said Roger de Poytiers who was then possessed of
all the tract of land in Lanc. between the river Ribbie and Mersy by gift
of the crown, gave among other lands and manors of Sefton, Thorndon,
Kerdon, and half of land as services of kalf Knts. fee. Whereof he William
Molyneux made Septon his chief seat and was s. by his brother Vivian de
Molyneux.
The LDS Ancestral File lists a William Molyneux as an intermediate
generation between Robert and Vivian. As noted above in another source,
William and Robert were brothers, both sons of Robert. I have elected not
to include the extra (in my opinion) William in my genealogy.
2. VIVIAN DE MOLYNEUX m. SYWARDA:
3. ADAM DE MOLYNEUX, Lord of Speke was the eldest son of Vivian de Molyneux
and Sywarda. He gave a grant of land in Mulling to the Church of the
Virgin Mary at Corksands, sealed with his seal of the Cross Molins, and
bearing the legend "S. Adam's de Molineux". (The Cross Molins, Arms of the
Molyneux family, are allusive to the name, the cross Moline being supposed
to represent the iron of a Mill Wheel.) He married Annota, only daughter
and heiress of Benedict de Garnett, Lord of Speke, Co. Lanc.
4. ROBERT DE MOLYMEUX, son of Adam de Molyneux and Annota de Garnett,
married temp. King John, "The Lackland" Beatrix de Villiers, dau. and
heiress of Sir Robert de Villiers, son of Richard de Villiers, a crusader
under Edward I of Little. Robert aquired the estate of Little Crosby, Co.
Lancaster.
Beatrix de Villiers, ambitious to be a queen, in love with King John,
loath to leave him, but by him (King John) given in marriage to one of his
barons (temp.) Sir Robert Molyneux. She did bitterly curse the House of
Molyneux and all that bear the name, calling down maledictions of misery,
blasting their loves with tragedy. Descending from the issue of this
marriage are the Earls of Sefton, Ireland, Teversall, and Nottinghamshire.
5. RICHARD DE MOLYNEUX, of Sefton, Little Crosby, and Espeke was the eldest
son of Robert de Molyneux and Beatrix de Villiers. (This baronial family
of De Molins, who became resident under Edward III ere stated to derive
their surname from the town so called in Bourbonnais, but there may have
been an earlier settlement from one of the numerous places in Normandy
called Moulines or Moulins, from the Molendina or water wells there
existing.) Richard de Molyneux married 1st Edith, sister of Alinerice de
Botillier of Wernington.
6. ADAM DE MOLYNEUX, Esq. of Sefton had a forestship in Co. Lancaster in
1228. Was in commission for the perambulation of forest. He m. Lettice
(Leticia) Brenley.
7. SIR WILLIAM MOLYNEUX (known as William More Molyneux), most noble order
of the Garter, 1349, K.B. , Ribbon Garter blue, married Margaret, dau. of
Sir Allen de Thornton of the Co. Leicester. Buried in Canterbury
Cathederal.
note : the above mentioned K.G. date could not be correct - 1249 perhaps?
8. RICHARD MOLYNEUX m. Emma Donne.
9. SIR WILLIAM MOLYNEUX Knt., of Sefton, was made bannoret in Gascony in
1286 by Edmund (Couchback), Earl of Lancaster, 2nd son of Henry III ;
married Isabella Scarsbrick of Scarbrick (d. 1289).
10. RICHARD MOLYNEUX m. Agatha, dau. of Sir Roger Kyralon
11. SIR WILLIAM MOLYNEUX s. his father in 1363. He distinguished himself
at the Battle of Navaret, in Spain,under Edward, the Black Prince, where he
was made banneret in 1367, and continued to serve under that general in all
his Spanish and French wars. On his return he died at Canterbury in 1372.
He married 1st, Johannah, dau. and heir to Jordan Ellall, Forester of
Wersdale, by Alice his wife, one of three daus. and co-heirs to Thomas de
Twenge; married 2nd, Margaret, dau. and heir to Sir Allen Hetton, of
Buthel, widow of Sir Robert Holland of Enkerston, brother to Sir Thomas
Holland, Knt. of the Garter.
12. SIR WILLIAM MOLYNEUX of Sefton, Knt.; m. Jane, dau. of Sir Robert Holland.
13. RICHARD MOLYNEUX (MOLINES) who, constituted high sheriff of Lancaster
for life, was M.P. for the shire. He m. Ellen, dau. of Sir Thomas Urswick,
and died 1397. (She afterwards m. Sir Thomas Savage.)
14. RICHARD MOLYNEUX, who signalized himself in the French Wars of King
Henry V at Againcourt, in consideration of which services King Henry
granted to him and son Richard by patent dated July 26th, 1446, the chief
forestship of Royal Forest and parks in the Wapentake by West Derby shire,
with offices of sergeant and steward of that and the Wapentake of Salford,
and also the office of constable of Liverpool. He married 1st, Helen, dau.
of Sir William Harrington of Hombie, Lancaster ; married 2nd, Joan, dau of
Gilbert Haydocke, of Bradley, Lanc., widow of Sir Peter Leigh, Knt., of
Lyme; d. 1439.
He had at least two children by his first wife and at least eleven by
his second wife. Next in our line of descent is THOMAS MOLYNEUX (#15
below). A dau.,Elizabeth, m. SIR RICHARD SOUTHWORTH (d.21 dec 1472) Their
son, SIR CHRISTOPHER SOUTHWORTH, is gen. #36 in line #9 of F.L. Weis'
"Ancestral Roots", which ends with CONSTANT SOUTHWORTH as gen #42. CONSTANT
SOUTHWORTH came to Plymouth Colony in New England with his widowed mother,
ALICE. ALICE m. William Bradford, the governor of the colony, who was, at
the time, a widower. CONSTANT's son, EDWARD SOUTHWORTH, m. MARY PEABODY,
dau. of JOHN PEABODY and ELIZABETH ALDEN. ELIZABETH was a dau.of JOHN ALDEN
and PRISCILLA MULLINS (#20 in this genealogy). When EDWARD and MARY
SOUTHWORTH had these children, two lines of descent from RICHARD and JOAN
MOLYNEUX were united.
15. THOMAS MOLYNEUX, of Haughton Priory in Notinghamshire Councelor to King
Henry VI, m.(1) Elizabeth Markham, dau of the Lord of East Markham; m.(2)
Catherine Cotton, relict. of Thomas Poutrell.
16. EDMUND MOLYNEUX son of Thomas and Catherine Molyneux, graduated B.A.,
July 10, 1510. Nov. 20, 1542, called to the degree sergent at law and on
the coronation of Edward VI made Knight of Bath, Oct 22d, 1550. Created
justice of common pleas; he seems to have been a sound lawyer. Was Lord of
the manor of Thorp, near Newark, and lands adjoining, which belonged to the
Knights Hospitallers of the Preceptory Eagle. He married Jane Cheny of
Chesam Bois, Buckinghamshire; d. 1552.
17. JOHN MOLYNEUX, of Mullenwoods; m. Annie, widow of Sir Thomas Flannigan,
d. 1591.
18. JOHN MOLYNEUX m. Joone
19. WILLIAM MOLINS (MOLYNEUX, MULLENS) m. Alice _____; settled in America
1620 and died in the first sickness in Plymouth 3 Feb 1621.
20. PRISCILLA MULLINS m. JOHN ALDEN (b. in England 1599) of Plymouth, for
50 years magistrate.
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Note that there are many inconsistencies between this and the prevoisly
posted "Americana" article in regards to wives of Molyneux men. Would
appreciate any comments on these as well as general comments on the
reliability of the genealogy from the first Molyneux to America in genearal
!
Today is the first day of the rest of your life ! (jste...@iquest.net) Jim
pmul...@lrmi.com
>Note that there are many inconsistencies between this and the prevoisly
>posted "Americana" article in regards to wives of Molyneux men. Would
>appreciate any comments on these as well as general comments on the
>reliability of the genealogy from the first Molyneux to America in genearal
Could you please post the bibliographic reference to the "Americana"
article, as well does anyone have info about any other Molyneux /
Mullins who may have settled in the US in the 17th and 18th centuries
(my apologies for post a request which is a bit beyond the medieval
scope of this newsgroup).
Pierre Mullin
Halifax, NS, Canada
pmul...@lrmi.com
BenACassel
of Anne of Cleves, m2 Mary of Hapsburg, d/o Ferdinand I, Holy Roman
Emperor.
Does anyone have a list of their offspring & the name of the source in
which the information is found?
Thanks,
Ben Albright-Cassel
Jim Stevens
> Jim Stevens <jste...@IQUEST.NET> wrote:
>
> >Note that there are many inconsistencies between this and the prevoisly
> >posted "Americana" article in regards to wives of Molyneux men. Would
> >appreciate any comments on these as well as general comments on the
> >reliability of the genealogy from the first Molyneux to America in genearal
>
> Could you please post the bibliographic reference to the "Americana"
> article, as well does anyone have info about any other Molyneux /
> Mullins who may have settled in the US in the 17th and 18th centuries
> (my apologies for post a request which is a bit beyond the medieval
> scope of this newsgroup).
>
> Pierre Mullin
I don't have the article in hand. Perhaps someone who regularly haunts a
good library could examine the article and post a reply to your request
for bibliographical reference. If no one does, I will make a point of
doing so on my next trip to the library. These trips are very infrequent
and irregular, however. Might not go again until after the spring thaw.
> Halifax, NS, Canada
> pmul...@lrmi.com
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Today is the first day of the rest of your life !
Jim Stevens / Plainfield IN / jste...@iquest.net
William A. Reitwiesner
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>17. JOHN MOLYNEUX, of Mullenwoods; m. Annie, widow of Sir Thomas Flannigan,
>d. 1591.
>
>18. JOHN MOLYNEUX m. Joone
>
>19. WILLIAM MOLINS (MOLYNEUX, MULLENS) m. Alice _____; settled in America
>1620 and died in the first sickness in Plymouth 3 Feb 1621.
>
>20. PRISCILLA MULLINS m. JOHN ALDEN (b. in England 1599) of Plymouth, for
>50 years magistrate.
William Mullins, the Mayflower passenger, was from Dorking, co. Surrey, but
his parentage is completely unknown. Looks like someone had fun assembling
this genealogy, but (as far as the origin and ancestry of William Mullins
of the Mayflower goes) it's completely fictitious.
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@loc.gov