Lord Mayor of London in 1480
Leo van de Pas
All I know is that he had a daughter, Margaret, who married George Quarles.
Many thanks,
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
Chris Phillips
Leo van de Pas wrote:
> In 1480 a mr. Browne was Lord Mayor of London. Does anyone know any more
about him?
> All I know is that he had a daughter, Margaret, who married George
Quarles.
He is listed on Pat Patterson's site as "John Browne, mercer":
http://www.patpatterson.us/lordmayors.shm
Chris Phillips
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writes:
> In 1480 a mr. Browne was Lord Mayor of London. Does anyone know any more
> about him?
> All I know is that he had a daughter, Margaret, who married George Quarles.
>
> Many thanks,
> Leo van de Pas
> Canberra, Australia
>
Leo,
This John Browne, Lord Mayor in 1480 has been discussed several times before.
He m Anne Belwood by whom he had issue, including William, Lord Mayor in
1513.
However visitations (Essex and Kent, I think) show, erroneously, that he also
married Alice or Jane d of William or John Swineshed/Swinsted by who he left
Robert ancestor of the Brownes of Walcot. In fact I think it was Robert's
daughter Margaret who m George Quarles of Ufford. (Details vary, but George
Quarles' will has been posted to the list)
It is almost certain that the Walcot Brownes derive from the family of the
Brownes of nearby Stanford, (now Stamford) Lincolnshire. In particular William
Browne (PCC Will 1489, bur All saints Stamford) held a manor called
Swafield/Swayfield/Swynestede, co Lincs., which presumably is connected to the above
John Swineshed. William, although married, did not have a son. Elizabeth whom I
previously thought was his daughter, is perhaps a daughter by an earlier
husband of his wife Margaret (-Will 1489, pr 1490) d of John Stoke. Elizabeth was
her heir. William Browne had given the rents of this manor of Swafield to
the foundation of Stamford Hospital. Thomas Stokes, brother to Margaret,
declined to administer her will, but did carry out his brother-in-law's intentions
of founding the Hospital.
Adrian
Sutliff
brother was Thomas Belwood was also known as Thomas Belknap and may have had
some association with Belton in Lincolnshire, but they were of unknown
relationship (if any) to the Belknaps of Kent, including Sir Hamon. (d.
1467-8).
John Browne's son William was also Mayor of London (were they called Lord
Mayors at this time or is that just a retro thing we have done?). He was
married to daughters of two other Mayors of London, Katharine Shaa and Alice
Kebyll. I can't recall if it was discussed previously, but Sir Edmund Shaa
(Katharine's father) appears to have come from Dunkinfield in Cheshire and
that his parents were buried in a church in Stockport, Cheshire. I think I
found a reference to this in Earwaker and Ormerod, but do not have my notes
for these. Sorry.
Best regards,
HS
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> It would seem ages ago that we discussed this family. IIRC Anne Belwood's
> brother was Thomas Belwood was also known as Thomas Belknap and may have had
> some association with Belton in Lincolnshire, but they were of unknown
> relationship (if any) to the Belknaps of Kent, including Sir Hamon. (d.
> 1467-8).
>
> John Browne's son William was also Mayor of London (were they called Lord
> Mayors at this time or is that just a retro thing we have done?). He was
> married to daughters of two other Mayors of London, Katharine Shaa and Alice
> Kebyll. I can't recall if it was discussed previously, but Sir Edmund Shaa
> (Katharine's father) appears to have come from Dunkinfield in Cheshire and
> that his parents were buried in a church in Stockport, Cheshire. I think I
> found a reference to this in Earwaker and Ormerod, but do not have my notes
> for these. Sorry.
>
> Best regards,
>
> HS
>
>
>
Yes, that is what I have. I did not know that Sir Edmund Shaa's parents (Sir
John and Margaret) were buried in Stockport, although Sir John's uncle, Sir
Edmund Shaa endowed a school there.
regards,
Adrian
Todd A. Farmerie
> In a message dated 13/08/03 20:11:33 GMT Daylight Time, sut...@redshift.com
> writes:
>
>>John Browne's son William was also Mayor of London (were they called Lord
>>Mayors at this time or is that just a retro thing we have done?). He was
>>married to daughters of two other Mayors of London, Katharine Shaa and Alice
>>Kebyll. I can't recall if it was discussed previously, but Sir Edmund Shaa
>>(Katharine's father) appears to have come from Dunkinfield in Cheshire and
>>that his parents were buried in a church in Stockport, Cheshire. I think I
>>found a reference to this in Earwaker and Ormerod, but do not have my notes
>>for these. Sorry.
>
> John and Margaret) were buried in Stockport, although Sir John's uncle, Sir
> Edmund Shaa endowed a school there.
You have the Edmunds confused. William Browne married Katherine,
the daughter and eventual coheiress of the elder Sir Edmund Shaa,
the endower of the Stockport school and uncle of Lord Mayor Sir
John Shaa, who in turn had a son Edmund.
As to the term "Lord Mayor", I have seen it stated that Sir John
Shaa was the first, and that prior to that, they were simply Mayors.
taf
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farm...@interfold.com writes:
Thanks for your message, you are quite correct that I confused the Edmund
Shaa.
I read in "The Oxford Companion To British History" that the mayors of York
also became Lord Mayors in 15th cent.
Adrian