Avicia, wife of William de Beauchamp (d. 1170)
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
A number of past threads on the newsgroup dealt with the ancestry
of the Earls of Warwick, esp. concerning marriages (real and alleged)
to daughters of St. Valery, de Breuse (Braose), and others. Of this
family, one individual in particular - William de Beauchamp (d. 1170),
son of Walter de Beauchamp and Emmeline d'Abbetot or d'Abitot -
remained without a known spouse, or mother of his heir.
A reference was lately noted in the VCH for Worcester to a grant
of land in 'Boicot' to the priory of Westwood by 'Alicia, the lady of
Salwarpe', which grant was made 'for the good estate of her own soul
and of her children and for the souls of her husband William Beauchamp
and her son William, the grant being confirmed by Walter
Beauchamp.' [1]. The text of this charter (unfortunately minus
certain details, incl. names of the witnesses) was then found in the
section of Monasticon Anglicanum for the priory. The VCH version
agrees with the Latin text and designated title, with one important
exception: while the title given is ' Carta Aliciae de Salewarp..',
the text of the charter identifies the grantor as "ego Avicia domina
de Salewarp' [2]. Her name therefore appears to have been Avicia, or
Hawise, with the error by the editor of the Monasticon volume calling
her 'Alicia' then being carried to the VCH text.
The first charter provided in Monasticon Anglicanum is a
confirmation in 1158 by King Henry II, at Worcester, of charters of
Osbert fitz Hugh and his mother Eustachia de Say granting lands for a
nunnery to St. Mary of Fontevraud [3]. One of the witnesses was
William de Beauchamp: given the chronology now apparent, we can
identify him as the lord of Elmley who d. in 1170 and was succeeded by
his son William (d. 1197). William was then succeeded by Walter
Beauchamp (d. 1236), clearly the 'Walterus de Bello Campo' whose
charter confirmed the grants of land in 'Boicot' as mentioned in the
VCH account [4].
Up to this point the name of the mother of William de Beauchamp
was known, and also that his son William was m. to Bertha de Braose,
mother of his heir Walter. We can now identify his wife and the
mother of his son and heir William as Hawise, or Avicia.
Urse d'Abitot
- Domesday tenant, Upton Warren
and Salwarpe, co. Worcs.
I
I
Walter de = Emmeline
Beauchamp I d'Abitot
of Elmley I
d. 1131 I
_______I
I
William de Beauchamp = Avicia
of Elmley I d. aft
d. 1170 I 1170
_______________I_____
I I I
William Maud Emma
de Beauchamp = Robert
= Bertha Marmion
de Braose
The parentage of Avicia is as yet undetermined. 'Boicot' may
represent Bulcote, Nottinghamshire, which might point to a Deincourt
connection, but this is little more than a guess. Should anyone have
further suggestions or information, that would be of great interest.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] VCH Worcester II:148.
[2] Dugdale, Monasticon Anglicanum VI(2):1004 :
" NUM. II.
Carta Aliciae de Salewarp, de dimidia virgata Terrae
Monialibus de Westwood concessa.
[Transcript. Richardi Graves de Mickleton, in com.
Glouc. Armig. e Registro Cartarum Monasterii de
Westwode, in com. Wigornensi, MS. Cotton,
Vespas. E. ix.]
Sicant tam prasentes quam futuri, quod ego Avicia
domina de Salewarp, consensu et praecepto filii mei
Willielmi de Bello Campo, antequam univerae carnis viam
ingrederetur, dedi et concessi Deo et Sanctae Mariae
Fontis-Ebraldi, et maxime monialibus de Westwood, pro
anima' domini mei Willielmi de Bello Campo, et Willielmi
filii mei, et pro salute animae meae et liberorum
nostrorum, dimidiam virgatam terrae in Boicota, quam
tenet Osbertus filius Walteri del Broc, et praedictum
Osbertum, cum liberis suis, in puram et perpetuam
elemosinam, tenendam et habendam libere' et quiete
ab omni seculari servicio et exactione. Et ut haec
mea donatio rata et inconcussa permaneat in
dedicatione ecclesiae de Westwood, sigilli mei
impressione eam in dotem confirmavi. Hiis
testibus, &c. "
[3] Monasticon Anglicanum, ibid., Num. I.
[4] See above. The charter in in Monasticon Anglicanum, ibid., Num.
III.
Cristopher Nash
Y're a true beauChamp! Avicia I'd found it when I was Lewknor for
it! you
know how I suffer Breuses everytime I see how endless Worc here's
obliged me to Boicot the old delicious Abitot of GenMeditating alongside
you — & never more than when sounds of success like this pour down my
Eustachia Tubes. I did manage to Braose through Torre Abbey last week,
seeing what our old William & Beatrice had Bruere/Brewer/Briwere'd
up, but
as Beatrice'd hasten to say, that doesn't really FitzCount. Anyway,
you know
I'm Hawise Rooting for you, and that's no Bulcote.
Cris
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John H
"Cristopher Nash" <c...@windsong.org.uk> wrote in message
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The Hoorn
which explicitly states Emmeline de Abitot, daughter of Urso de
Abitot, wife of Walter de Beauchamp?
Third, there seems to be conflicting information on the descendents of
this family. For example, if you look at http://www.geneajourney.com/bchmp1.html
Sir Walter de Beauchamp, Lord Beauchamp, b abt 1152, Elmley Castle,
Worcestershire, England, d 1235. He md Bertha de Braose [b] abt 1174,
Bramber, Sussex, England, daughter of William de Braose, Sheriff of
Herefordshire, and Bertha of Hereford.
Children of Walter de Beauchamp and Bertha de Braose were:
* Walcheline de Beauchamp b abt 1176.
* James de Beauchamp b abt 1180, Elmley, Worcestershire, England.
Walcheline de Beauchamp b abt 1176, Elmley, Worcestershire, England, d
14 Apr 1236. He md Joane de Mortimer 1212, daughter of Sir Roger de
Mortimer, Lord of Wigmore, and Isabel de Ferrieres.
Child of Walcheline de Beauchamp and Joane de Mortimer was:
Sir William de Beauchamp, Lord of Elmley Castle, b 1215, Elmley
Castle, Worcestershire, England, d 5 Jun 1268, Worcestershire,
England. He md Isabel Mauduit abt 1240, Worcestershire, England,
daughter of Sir William Mauduit, Chamberlain of the Exchequer, and
Alice de Newburgh.
However, if you look at Charles Cawley's medieval lands site he has
the following:
WALTER de Beauchamp of Elmley Castle, Gloucestershire (-[1130/33]).
The parentage of Walter de Beauchamp has not been confirmed in any of
the primary sources which have been consulted during the preparation
of the present document. From a chronological point of view, he could
have been the son of Hugh de Beauchamp (see Part A). However, it is
not known whether Hugh was the only member of the Beauchamp family who
came to England from Normandy. Henry I King of England granted a wolf-
hunting licence in his forest in Worcestershire to "Waltero de Bello
Campo" by charter dated to [1106/13][336]. "…Walto de Bello Campo…"
subscribed the charter date [3/10] Jun 1123 under which Henry I King
of England granted the lands of "Edrici fil Chetelli" to "Walto de
Gloec"[337]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Walto de Belcapo" in
Wiltshire (two entries) and in Gloucestershire[338]. m [EMELINE],
daughter of URSE de Abîtot & his wife ---. Round states that the wife
of Walter de Beauchamp was the daughter of Urse de Abitot but he does
not cite the corresponding primary source which confirms that this is
correct[339]. Walter & his wife had two children:
a) WILLIAM de Beauchamp (-1170, bur Worcester). Henry I King
of England confirmed the inheritance by "Willelmo filio Walteri de
Bello Campo, dispensario meo" of "terram totam patris sui" by charter
dated to [1130/33][340]. “…Waltero de Clifford…Osberto filio Hugonis,
Willielmo de Bealchamp…” witnessed the undated charter, dated to
[1155], which records the donation by “Rogerus comes Herefordiæ” to
Brecknock priory[341]. The 1156 Pipe Roll records "Wills. de
Bellocampo" at the head of the return for Worcestershire, and the 1156
and 1157 Pipe Rolls "Wills de Bello Capo" at Trentham in Staffordshire
with revenue of ₤30[342]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record that
“Willelmus de Bello Campo” was captured by “Radulpho de Mandeville” in
1151[343]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the
Exchequer, in 1166, name "Willelmus de Bello Campo vii milites…
Walterus de Bello Campo, dimidium militum" among those providing
military service for Westminster abbey in Worcestershire, and also
record the knight fee-holders under "Willelmus de Bello Campo" in
Worcestershire[344]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1170
of “Willelmus de Bello Campo” and his burial “ad ostium capituli
Wigorniæ”[345]. m BERTHA de Briouse, daughter of WILLIAM de Briouse &
his wife Berthe of Hereford. The primary source which confirms her
parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. William & his
wife had six children:
i) WILLIAM de Beauchamp (-1197). The primary source which
confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. The Annals of
Worcester record the death in 1197 of “Willelmus de Bello Campo”
WILLIAM de Beauchamp, son of WILLIAM de Beauchamp & his wife Bertha de
Briouse (-1197). The primary source which confirms his parentage has
not yet been identified. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing
scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Willelmus de Bello Campo"
paying "lxx s de militibus, quos tenet de Rege in diversis comitatius,
vii milites" in Worcestershire[353]. The Red Book of the Exchequer,
listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "Willelmo de Bello
Campo" paying "vii l de toto sentagio quod promisit domino Regi" in
Worcestershire[354]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1197
of “Willelmus de Bello Campo”[355].
m JOAN, daughter of Sir THOMAS Walerie & his wife ---. The primary
source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been
identified.
William & his wife had one child:
1. WALTER de Beauchamp (-14 Apr 1236). The Red Book of the
Exchequer records "Walterus de Bello Campo" holding 207 knights´ fees
"in Uptone, Stanes, Graftone, Ayntone, Chedeleswale, Kokesaye,
Benetlega, Pancevot, Bouresdale, Costone, Dunclere" in Worcestershire
in [1210/12][356]. The Annals of Worcester record the death “die
Sancti Guthlaci” in 1235 of “Walterus de Bello Campo”[357]. The
Annals of Tewkesbury record the death “XVIII Kal Mai” in 1236 of “W de
Bellocampo”[358]. m (after 1212) JOAN Mortimer, daughter of ROGER
Mortimer & his second wife Isabel de Ferrers. The Annals of Worcester
record that “Rogerus de Mortuo Mari…filiam suam” married “Waltero de
Bello Campo”[359]. Walter & his wife had one child:
a) WILLIAM de Beauchamp of Elmley, Worcestershire (-[7 Jan/21
Apr] 1268).
- EARLS of WARWICK.
Which version is correct?
CE Wood
"There is also John's post of 29 Sep 2002:
"I think we can theorize what the Beauchamp pedigree should look like:
1. Walter de Beauchamp, d. 1131 = Emmeline d'Abbetot
__________________________I
I
2. William de Beauchamp, d. 1170 = 1) NN
= 2) possibly, Maud de Braose [by
unknown wife, not Maud de Braose :]
__________________________I
3. William de Beauchamp, d. 1197 = 1) possible first wife, Joan de St.
Valery
= 2) (second ?) wife, Bertha de
Braose
__________________________I
I
4. Walter de Beauchamp, d. 1235/6 = NN (possibly Joan or Isabel de
Mortimer)
__________________________ I
I
5. William de Beauchamp = Isabel Mauduit of Elmley; d. 1268/9"
CE Wood
On Aug 28, 2:55 pm, The Hoorn <sbarnho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John: First, great post! Second, have you uncovered any evidence
> which explicitly states Emmeline de Abitot, daughter of Urso de
> Abitot, wife of Walter de Beauchamp?
>
> Third, there seems to be conflicting information on the descendents of
> this family. For example, if you look athttp://www.geneajourney.com/bchmp1.html
John P. Ravilious
Dear Stephen,
Thanks for your kind words, and the followup query. Given that
Cawley's version appears closer to the correct descent, and provides
some evidence/documentation re: the pedigree put forward, I will
interpolate my observations below.
You wrote:
On Aug 28, 5:55 pm, The Hoorn <sbarnho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> John: First, great post! Second, have you uncovered any evidence
> which explicitly states Emmeline de Abitot, daughter of Urso de
> Abitot, wife of Walter de Beauchamp?
>
> Third, there seems to be conflicting information on the descendents of
> this family. For example, if you look athttp://www.geneajourney.com/bchmp1.html
------------------------
I have as yet found no explicit evidence that Em(m)eline was the
daughter of Urse d'Abitot. This is of course the 'received' descent
[cf. K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, DP 439; Sanders, English Baronies, pp. 75-6
and note 10].
------------------------
Walter & his wife had two children:
>
> a) WILLIAM de Beauchamp (-1170, bur Worcester). Henry I King
> of England confirmed the inheritance by "Willelmo filio Walteri de
> Bello Campo, dispensario meo" of "terram totam patris sui" by charter
> dated to [1130/33][340]. “…Waltero de Clifford…Osberto filio Hugonis,
> Willielmo de Bealchamp…” witnessed the undated charter, dated to
> [1155], which records the donation by “Rogerus comes Herefordiæ” to
> Brecknock priory[341]. The 1156 Pipe Roll records "Wills. de
> Bellocampo" at the head of the return for Worcestershire, and the 1156
> and 1157 Pipe Rolls "Wills de Bello Capo" at Trentham in Staffordshire
> with revenue of ₤30[342]. The Annals of Tewkesbury record that
> “Willelmus de Bello Campo” was captured by “Radulpho de Mandeville” in
> 1151[343]. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the
> Exchequer, in 1166, name "Willelmus de Bello Campo vii milites…
> Walterus de Bello Campo, dimidium militum" among those providing
> military service for Westminster abbey in Worcestershire, and also
> record the knight fee-holders under "Willelmus de Bello Campo" in
> Worcestershire[344]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1170
> of “Willelmus de Bello Campo” and his burial “ad ostium capituli
> Wigorniæ”[345]. m BERTHA de Briouse, daughter of WILLIAM de Briouse &
> his wife Berthe of Hereford. The primary source which confirms her
> parentage and marriage has not yet been identified.
-----------------------------------
The placement of Bertha de Braose/Breuse as a daughter of William
de Braose and Bertha of Hereford is in error. The evidence for Bertha
(daughter of William, son of this William de Braose, and his wife Maud
de St. Valery) being the wife of the 'next' William de Beauchamp
consists of two items:
1. The charter cited in my earlier post, giving Avicia (surname
unknown) as the wife of this William _and_ the mother of his son
William de Beauchamp; and
2. On 29 Sept 2002, Chris Phillips provided the following IPM
from 1305 concerning lands in Tetbury, Gloucestershire which had been
granted previously by William de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick (d. 1298):
"no 1971. Writ to Walter de Gloucestre, escheator south of Trent.
Fyndon. 19
June 33 Edward I. [1305.]
Gloucester.
Inquisition:- Ywelegh. 22 August.
A rent of 14£ in Upton, Dughton, and Tettebury, which John de
Thorndon
acquired from William de Bello Campo, sometime earl of Warwick, is not
held
of the king immediately but of Peter de Breouse as mesne lord;
because
William de Breouse, long since deceased, who once held the manor of
Tettebury together with the said rent and other tenements belonging to
the
said manor of the king in chief by service of a knight's fee, gave the
said
rent a hundred and sixty years and more past to William de Bello
Campo,
great grandfather of the said earl, and Berta, daughter of the said
William
de Brewose, in free marriage.
Afterwards William de Breouse, kinsman and heir of the said William
de
Breouse, enfeoffed the said Peter de Breouse of the manor of Tettebury
with
the said earl's service of the said rent. Cf. Close Roll Calendar, p.
289.
C. Inq. Misc. File 64. (29.)"
[Cal. Inq. Misc., vol.1, p.534]
The William de Beauchamp who was the great-grandfather of
William, earl of Warwick, and husband of Bertha de Braose, was the son
of William (d. 1170) and Avicia as follows below. This is rather well
proven in that Tetbury came to William de Braose (d. 1211) as part or
all of the maritagium of his wife Maud de St. Valery: Tetbury was a
St. Valery possession, and would not be involved in a de Braose
marriage in a previous generation.
Cf. Chris Phillips. <Maud de Beauchamp, wife of Robert
Marmion', SGM, 29 Sept 2002.
VCH Gloucestershire 11:264, re: Tetbury
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William & his
> wife had six children:
>
> i) WILLIAM de Beauchamp (-1197). The primary source which
> confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. The Annals of
> Worcester record the death in 1197 of “Willelmus de Bello Campo”
>
> WILLIAM de Beauchamp, son of WILLIAM de Beauchamp & his wife Bertha de
> Briouse (-1197). The primary source which confirms his parentage has
> not yet been identified. The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing
> scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Willelmus de Bello Campo"
> paying "lxx s de militibus, quos tenet de Rege in diversis comitatius,
> vii milites" in Worcestershire[353]. The Red Book of the Exchequer,
> listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "Willelmo de Bello
> Campo" paying "vii l de toto sentagio quod promisit domino Regi" in
> Worcestershire[354]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1197
> of “Willelmus de Bello Campo”[355].
>
> m JOAN, daughter of Sir THOMAS Walerie & his wife ---. The primary
> source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been
> identified.
---------------------------------------------
See the account as stated in the previous generation. The wife
of William de Braose (d. 1197) was Bertha de Braose; I see no evidence
of the Joan de St. Valery alleged by Cawley or others, and this
appears to have worked its way into an early account to explain
(without evidence) the passage of Tetbury to the Beauchamps.
---------------------------------------------
>
> William & his wife had one child:
>
> 1. WALTER de Beauchamp (-14 Apr 1236). The Red Book of the
> Exchequer records "Walterus de Bello Campo" holding 207 knights´ fees
> "in Uptone, Stanes, Graftone, Ayntone, Chedeleswale, Kokesaye,
> Benetlega, Pancevot, Bouresdale, Costone, Dunclere" in Worcestershire
> in [1210/12][356]. The Annals of Worcester record the death “die
> Sancti Guthlaci” in 1235 of “Walterus de Bello Campo”[357]. The
> Annals of Tewkesbury record the death “XVIII Kal Mai” in 1236 of “W de
> Bellocampo”[358]. m (after 1212) JOAN Mortimer, daughter of ROGER
> Mortimer & his second wife Isabel de Ferrers. The Annals of Worcester
> record that “Rogerus de Mortuo Mari…filiam suam” married “Waltero de
> Bello Campo”[359].
------------------------------
This Mortimer marriage may be correct; I have seen no evidence as
yet, one way or the other. The citation to the 'Annals of Worcester'
is certainly worth examining.
------------------------------
Walter & his wife had one child:
>
> a) WILLIAM de Beauchamp of Elmley, Worcestershire (-[7 Jan/21
> Apr] 1268).
>
> - EARLS of WARWICK.
>
> Which version is correct?
=====================
I would at present reconstruct my 2002 pedigree of the Beauchamps
of Elmley as follows:
1. William de Braose = Bertha of William de = Avicia
of Bramber and Brecon I Hereford Beauchamp I
d. ca. 1192 I d. 1170 I
______________I ____________________I
I I
2. Bertha de Braose = William de Beauchamp
I d. 1197
________________I
I
I
3. Walter de Beauchamp = NN [Joan de Mortimer ?]
d. 1236 I
__________________I
I
I
4. William de Beauchamp = Isabel Mauduit
of Elmley, co. Worcs. I heiress (in her
d. aft 7 Jan 1268/9 I issue) of Warwick
____________________I
I
5. William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick
d. ca. 9 June 1298
Cheers,
John
Doug Thompson
In your reply to Stephen you pointed out that the Bertha de Braose in
question was a daughter of William de Braose and Maud de St Valery.
But in your "reconstructed family tree" you placed her once again as the
daughter of the previous generation of Braoses.
To alleviate confusion, maybe another reconstructed tree is needed?
Doug Thompson
John P. Ravilious
Dear Doug,
Right you are. As Cris Nash would say, I deserve a few deBreuses
for that. The new improved chart appears below.
Dispensa mea,
John
1. William de Braose = Maud de William de = Avicia
of Bramber and Brecon I St. Valery Beauchamp I
d. 1211 I d. 1170 I
Douglas Richardson
> 3. Walter de Beauchamp = NN [Joan de Mortimer ?]
> d. 1236 I
John ~
It seems your Beauchamp reconstruction need some more
reconstruction. Walter de Beauchamp had two wives, Joan de Mortimer
and Ankaret _____.
Walter de Beauchamp's first wife is recorded as Joan de Mortimer,
daughter of Roger de Mortimer, in the two items found in Annals of
Worcester found in Luard, Annales Monastici, volume 4 (Rolls Series
36) (1869): 400, 418.
pg. 400: (Annals of Worcester sub A.D. 1212 – "Rogerus de Mortuo Mari
finem fecit pro Waltero de Bello Campo et terris ejus pro iii. m.
marcis, et maritaviit ei filiam suam."
The above item may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k50243t.image.r=Annales+Monastici.f495.langEN
pg. 418: (Annals of Worcester sub A.D. 1225 – “[Died] Johanna de
Mortuo Mari uxor Willelmi de Bello Campo”).
The above item may be viewed at the following weblinks:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k50243t.image.r=Annales+Monastici.f513.langEN
Following Joan de Mortimer's death in 1225, Walter de Beauchamp
married (2nd) Ankaret _____. Walter de Beauchamp died 11 (or 14)
April 1236. In 1256 his widow, Ankaret, presented Walter de Fulwell
as woodward for her wood of Spelsbury, Oxfordshire. In 1268 Ankaret
de Beauchamp presented to the church of Comberton, Worcestershire..
In 1269 she presented to the church of Naunton Beauchamp,
Worcestershire. Ankaret was living 28 Dec. 1275, but died before
1286, when William, Earl of Warwick, presented to the church of Great
Comberton, Worcestershire [see Register of Bishop Godfrey Giffard, 1
(Episcopal Regs., Dioc. of Worc.) (1902): cciv, ccxxv, 1, 27; Mason,
Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1268 (Pipe Roll Society n.s. 43)
(1980): xxxiij, lviij; Schumer, Oxfordshire Forests 1246–1609
(Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 64) (2004): 47].
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
J Cook
> d. 1236 I
> __________________I
> I
> I
> 4. William de Beauchamp = Isabel Mauduit
> of Elmley, co. Worcs. I heiress (in her
> d. aft 7 Jan 1268/9 I issue) of Warwick
> ____________________I
> I
> 5. William de Beauchamp, 9th Earl of Warwick
> d. ca. 9 June 1298
Something still seems off here.
The William de Beauchamp d.ca. 1298 was active as an adult by 1268 at
the time of his father's death. Genealogics gives his birthdate as
"circa 1240", but I have also seen it estimated as "1238". I cannot
find the i.p.m. of his father which might give his age. The
chronology through his mother seems to tight. Genealogics gives his
mother Mauduit as age 12 or 13 when she had William (born 1227), and
her parents born in 1196 which doesn't leave too much breating room.
Do any of the relevant i.p.ms help clear up the birth dates here?
Joe
John P. Ravilious
Sunday, 29 August, 2010
Dear Joe,
I would agree that Alice de Newburgh was likely born ca 1197 or
so, given her parents Waleran, Earl of Warwick and Aice de Harcourt
(2nd wife) were married ca 1196 [CP]. I don't see any evidence for a
solid date of birth for either Isabel Mauduit (dau. of Alice de
Newburgh) or her husband William de Beauchamp. My best guess at this
point as a birthdate for Isabel would be in a range of say 1213x1223.
William de Beauchamp rendered homage to the Bishop of Worcester
in 1236, following the death of his father on 11 Apr of that year ['
Willelmus de Bello Campo fecit homagium episcopo;...' - Annales
Monastici IV:428]. This would normally indicate that William was of
age at that point in 1236, and one could reasonbly infer from this he
was born in 1215 or even before.
Given the evidence Doug Richardson has pointed out [see immediate
prior post in this thread], it would appear that Walter de Beauchamp
and Joan de Mortimer were married in or soon after 1212: it therefore
appears that William de Beauchamp, their son and future husband of
Isabel Mauduit, was born ca 1212-1215.
Cheers,
John
John P. Ravilious
> On Aug 28, 7:43 pm, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > 3. Walter de Beauchamp = NN [Joan de Mortimer ?]
> > d. 1236 I
>
> John ~
>
> It seems your Beauchamp reconstruction need some more
> reconstruction. Walter de Beauchamp had two wives, Joan de Mortimer
> and Ankaret _____.
>
> Walter de Beauchamp's first wife is recorded as Joan de Mortimer,
> daughter of Roger de Mortimer, in the two items found in Annals of
> Worcester found in Luard, Annales Monastici, volume 4 (Rolls Series
> 36) (1869): 400, 418.
>
> pg. 400: (Annals of Worcester sub A.D. 1212 – "Rogerus de Mortuo Mari
> finem fecit pro Waltero de Bello Campo et terris ejus pro iii. m.
> marcis, et maritaviit ei filiam suam."
>
> The above item may be viewed at the following weblink:
>
>
> pg. 418: (Annals of Worcester sub A.D. 1225 – “[Died] Johanna de
> Mortuo Mari uxor Willelmi de Bello Campo”).
>
> The above item may be viewed at the following weblinks:
>
>
> Following Joan de Mortimer's death in 1225, Walter de Beauchamp
> married (2nd) Ankaret _____. Walter de Beauchamp died 11 (or 14)
> April 1236. In 1256 his widow, Ankaret, presented Walter de Fulwell
> as woodward for her wood of Spelsbury, Oxfordshire. In 1268 Ankaret
> de Beauchamp presented to the church of Comberton, Worcestershire..
> In 1269 she presented to the church of Naunton Beauchamp,
> Worcestershire. Ankaret was living 28 Dec. 1275, but died before
> 1286, when William, Earl of Warwick, presented to the church of Great
> Comberton, Worcestershire [see Register of Bishop Godfrey Giffard, 1
> (Episcopal Regs., Dioc. of Worc.) (1902): cciv, ccxxv, 1, 27; Mason,
> Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1268 (Pipe Roll Society n.s. 43)
> (1980): xxxiij, lviij; Schumer, Oxfordshire Forests 1246–1609
> (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 64) (2004): 47].
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Dear Doug,
Thanks for that. You can't complete a reconstruction without a
few more bricks, eh?
The information re: Joan de Mortimer seems solid, and certainly
would work with what we seem to know (or can now reasonably infer)
regarding Walter de Beauchamp and his son William (d. aft 7 Jan
1268/9). A Mortimer-Beauchamp relationship would make sense, and
causes no consanguinity issue I can detect (the future marriage of
Thomas de Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick and Katherine de Mortimer
required a dispensation in 1319, but due to another relationship).
The name Ankaret would indicate either a Welsh lady or one with
near Welsh ancestry. Identifying her further would be of great
interest, but will yield no interesting ancestry for Beauchamp
descendants - alas.
Cheers,
John
John P. Ravilious
> which explicitly states Emmeline de Abitot, daughter of Urso de
> Abitot, wife of Walter de Beauchamp?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Steve, et al.,
In answer to the last question in your post, I have in the
interim received information off-list from Rosie Bevan. While further
work is being done with the bulk of the data Rosie so kindly sent, I
can advise that she has provided the proof of the relationship.
There is a charter Rosie noted in R. R. Darlington, ed.,
Cartulary of Worcester Cathedral Priory (Pipe Roll Soc., 1968). On p.
180 is the text of a charter of William de Beauchamp (d. 1170) in
which he confirms a grant of a virgate of land given to Worcester
priory by his father, ' which Elfred, chaplain of my grandfather Urso
de Abbetot, held ' :
' Carta Willelmi de Bello Campo senioris de j. virgata terrae
versus Lawern.
Willelmus de Bello campo omnibus ministris suis et ballivis de
Wirecestre scira salutem, Sciatis me concessise et confirmasse
donationem illam, quam pater meus Walterus fecit Priori et Monachis de
Wirecestria de una virgata terrae quam Elfredus capellanus Ursonis de
Abbetot avi mei tenuit. Et volo, ut teneant eam liberam et quietam de
geldis et omnibus secularibus exactionibus, sicut elemosinam patris
mei et matris meae. T. Isnardo, Rogero de Lenz &c. ' [1]
I did not have direct access to this volume, but found the same
charter in the Registrum edited by Hale (see citation below) and have
reproduced the text above. The descent from the Domesday tenant Urso
de Abbetot (or Abitot) is confirmed.
My thanks to Rosie for yet another valuable contribution to the
newsgroup.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] Hale, Registrum sive Liber Irrotularius et Consuetudinarius
Prioratus Beatae Mariae Wigorniensis:
with an introduction, notes and illustrations (London: printed by John
Bowyer Nichols and Sons, for the Camden Society, 1865), p. 92a
Robert Allen
I am having trouble confirming the name and birth date and parents of the wife of William de Beauchamp (d. 1170). At present I have her as Bertha/Maud/Matilda de Braose, daughter of William de Braose and Bertha of Hereford. There seems to be some date discrepancies that are in conflict.
Bertha/Maud/Matilda de Braose's (daughter of William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber) birth year is given at Wikitree as 1111. Geni gives her birth year in a range between 1130-1134. The year 1111 seems clearly wrong as her father, William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber, seems to have been born after 1100 (Wikitree and Wickipedia gives his year birth year as 1112 and Geni gives his birth year as a range between 1100-1120).
Bertha de Hereford, wife of William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber, is said to have been born between 1130-1132 (Wikipedia says 1132, Wikitree says 1130 and Geni says 1132. With these birth dates, is is biologically impossible for this Bertha de Hereford to be the mother of a daughter born no later than 1134.
Returning to William de Beauchamp who died in 1170. There seems to be an agreement that he was born about 1105. The idea that he married a first wife who was the mother of his children that was 25 years younger than he was is hard to accept and if we have to push his wife's birth date further forward to fit with her parent's birth dates it makes this marriage even more difficult to accept.
Further, William de Beauchamp (d.1170) and his wife's eldest son, William de Beauchamp was seemingly born prior to 1150 (Wikipedia does not give a date of birth, Wikitree says he was born about 1130 and Geni says he was born about 1142) which adds to the date discrepancies.
Is there some primary source that confirms the given name of William de Beauchamp's wife? If so, was it Maud, Matilda or Bertha?
Is there some primary source that confirms that William de Beauchamps's wife was a daughter of William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber and/or of Bertha de Hereford?
I have seen no evidence that William de Braose's father, Philip de Braose had a daughter Maud/Matilda/Bertha or that he had a daughter who married a de Beauchamp, but if William de Beauchamp (d. 1170) married a de Braose daughter, the dates would fit better if this was a daughter of this Philip de Braose.
Has this issue we examined in detail at this site and is there some consensus on how to reconcile these people and dates?
Robert Allen
1. The daughter of William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber, who married a William de Beauchamp was named Berta/Bertha. Most likely that additional names ascribed to her as Maud or Matilda come from a confusion with Maud de St. Valery who married the son of William de Braose, 3rd Lord of Bramber.
2. The William de Bello Campo/Beauchamp who married Berta/Bertha de Braose was not the William de Bello Campo/Beauchamp (1105-1170), but rather his son, William de Bello Campo/Beauchamp (died c.1197)
The analysis that lead me to these conclusions is as follows:
Follow the proven ownership of the manor of Tetbury. According to an article on the Manor of Tetbury at British History Online, the manor of Tetbury came into the ownership of the de St. Valery family with Reynold de St. Valery owning it about 1148. Reynold/Renold de St. Valery died about 1066 at which time it came into the ownership of his son, Bernard de St. Valery who died in 1197. Then Tetbury was granted to William de Breuse (it is speculated to be either upon or because of his marriage to Maud de St. Valery, daughter of Bernard). This William de Breuse/Braose was William III de Braose (born about 1150; died about 1211), [not his father William de Braose (born about 1112, died about 1192) who married Bertha of Hereford]. Tetbury was conficated from William de Breuse in 1208 due to his quarrel with King John. Tetbury was then granted to Peter FitzHerbert in 1212. After William III de Breuse/Braose's death in 1211, his heirs disputed ownership of Tetbury with the King. By 1215 the ownership of Tetbury was with Giles de Breuse, son of William de Breuse.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/glos/vol11/pp264-269
In supplement to the above account of Tetbury there is the Inquisition apparently following the death of John de Thorndon in 1305 (19 June 33 Edward I) which involves the ownership of Tettebury and other property. It says that William de Breouse, long since deceased, held the manor of Tettebury of the King in chief by the service of a knight's fee and he gave the rent "a hundred and sixty years and more past to William de Bello Campo, great grandfather of the said Earl [i.e., William de Bello Campo, the grantor of Tetbury to John de Thorndon] and Berta, daughter of said William de Brewose, in free marriage."
So, combining the two records, William de Braose, 3rd Earl of Bramber, was granted the manor of Tetbury sometime shortly after the death of Bernard de St. Valery in 1097, quite possibly upon or because of the marriage of William II de Braose to Maud de St. Valery, daughter of Bernard. Tetbury was taken back from this William de Braose by King John, but it was restored to the heirs of Wiliam de Braose by 1215, namely to Giles de Braose, son of said William de Braose (d. 1211). Sometime during William de Braose's ownership he granted the "rent" from Tetbury to William de Bello Campo and Berta, his wife, daughter of said William de Braose. The above inquest records was quite likely inaccurate to say that this William de Braose who granted the rent to William de Bello Campo was the great grandfather (rather than father) of the William de Bello Campo who granted to John de Thorndon and to say that the grant of the rents by William de Braose to William de Bello Campo was 160 or more years before 1305 (rather than lesser time). This is only me speculating, but perhaps the "great grandfather" and the "160 years" was a confusion by the person taking the inquest with the earlier ownership of Tetbury in the de St. Valery family.
What does seem clear from these records is that the William de Bello Campo/Beauchamp who received the rents by grant from William de Braose was not the William de Bello Campo/Beauchamp (1105-1170) who died prior to Tetbury coming into the ownership of the de Broase family.
I think the conclusion to draw from the above information about Tetbury manor is that it was William II de Beauchamp, not William I de Beauchamp, who married Berta/Bertha de Braose, daughter of William de Braose and Bertha of Hereford. I have not found any evidence that this Berta/Bertha de Braose was also known as Maud or Martha and suggest the addition of the given names of Maud and/or Matilda was a confusion with Maud/Matilda de St. Valery who married William de Braose, son of William de Braose and Bertha of Hereford.
Robert Allen
In the paragraph beginning -- "So, combining the two . . ." it was William de Braose, born about 1150, son of William de Braose, 3rd Earl of Bramber, who was granted the manor of Tetbury sometime shortly after the death of Bernard de St. Valery in 1197 (not 1097).
In my last paragraph of yesterday's post I said that Berta/Bertha de Braose was the daugther of William de Braose and Bertha of Hereford. This was an error. Berta/Bertha de Braose had to have been the daughter of William de Braose and Maud/Matilda de St. Valery for Tetbury to have logically been passed to William de Beauchamp who had married Berta/Bertha de Braose.
Also the inquisition in 1305 was an Inquisition Port Morteum and can be viewed at: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000023992122&view=1up&seq=554&skin=2021
Finally, it is quite possible that the William de Beauchamp who transferred Tetbury to John de Thorndon that was involved in the 1305 Inquisition Post Mortem was the great grandson of the William de Beauchamp who originally acquired Tetbury upon his marriage to Berta/Bertha and certainly was not just his son as I stated in my earlier post.
None of this changes my conclusion that the William de Beauchamp who married Berta/Bertha de Braose was the William Beauchamp who died about 1197, and could not be his father, the William de Beauchamp who died in 1170.