C.P. Addition: A New Pateshulle descendant of King Henry II of England
Douglas Richardson
The authoritative Complete Peerage 10 (1945); 315-316 (sub Pateshulle)
has a good account of the life of Sir John de Pateshulle (c.
1291/3-1349), of Pattishall, Milton and Collingtree (in Milton
Malzor), Rothersthorpe, etc., Northamptonshire, Bletsoe, Bromham,
Cardington, and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, etc. Regarding his marriage, it
provides the following information:
"He married, in or before 1312, Mabel, eldest sister of Sir Otes de
Grandison, and, in her issue, coheir of her nephew Sir Thomas de
Grandison, K.G. [Lord Grandison]."
The source provided for the marriage is Feet of Fines, Ser. I,
295/29/77.
Regarding the children of Sir John de Pateshulle and his wife, Mabel
de Grandison, Complete Peerage informs us that they had three sons,
William, born about 1312 (aged 37 and more at his father's death in
1349), Simon, and Richard, all of whom are named in the Pateshulle
account in Complete Peerage, plus four daughter, Sibyl, Maud, Alice,
and Katherine, who are noticed elsewhere in Complete Peerage under the
account of the Grandison family. Adequate documentation is provided
for all seven of these children.
However, new research indicates that there was another son, John de
Patteshulle the younger, who was possibly the eldest son in the
family. He occurs in records in the period, 1330-1340. Evidence of
this son's existence is found in a series of charters which are found
in "Descriptive catalogue of the charters and muniments in the
possession of and relating to the property lately belonging to the
Lady Lucas" by I.H. Jeayes. This work can be found on FHL Microfiche
6085303.
The charters in question can be located on Fiche #1 of 21 Fiches.
These charters indicate that the younger John de Pateshulle was lord
of Broybury (in Little Cainhoe), Bedfordshire. The younger John was
living as late as 25 July 1340, when he sold all the corn in the manor
of Little Cainhoe to his brother-in-law, Sir Roger de Beauchamp
(husband of his sister, Sibyl).
D.D.L. 299: "Grant by John de Pateshull, lord of Bletnesho [Bletsoe,
Bedfordshire] to John de Pateshull his son of the reversion of the
Manor of Caynho, on the death of Marion de Pateshull who holds the
same jointly with Robert Brian by grant of Simon de Pateshull father
of the first-named John for term of the life of the said Marion, and
if the said John de Pateshull, jun. happen to die without heirs of his
body, the manor to revert to John de Pateshull, the father. Witn.
Dom. John de Pabenham, Nigel de Salford, Thomas Gayton, Knts., etc.
Dated Feast of St. Augustine "Apostle of the English" (26 May) 4
Edward III (1330)."
D.D.L. 301. "Power of attorney from Roger de Beauchamp to Thomas
Harlewyne of Checheley to receive seisin of the manor of Broybury in
Little Caynho (except the wood pertaining thereto) from John Brian,
attorney of John son of John de Pateshull, Knt. Dated at Bletnesho
[Bletsoe], 26 May, 14 Edward III (1340). French."
D.D.L. 302. "Grant by John son of Sir John de Pateshull to Sir Roger
de Beauchamp and Lady Sibyl his wife of all that wood which the said
John has in his manor of Broybury in Little Caynho: to hold for a term
of six years and the said Roger and Sibyl may make 'waste and sale' as
they will in the said wood. Dated at Shottelee, 1 June 14 Edward III
(1340). Seal of arms, broken."
D.D.L. 305. Sale by John Bryen as attorney of John son of John de
Pateshull to Sir Roger de Beauchamp of all the corn now existing in
the manor of Little Caynho. Witn. Dom. Ralph le fitz Richard, Roger
Dekeney, Knts., Peter de Sancta Cruce, John Poleyn, etc. Dated at
Bletesho, Fri. after the Feast of St. James (25 July) 14 Edward III
(1340)."
As to the identity of "Marion" de Pateshull. who was holding the manor
of Caynho jointly with Robert Brian in 1330, there are several other
charters in this same series which refer to this woman as "Margery de
Pateshull, daughter of John de Pateshull," or as "Margery de
Pateshull, wife of Robert Bryan" [see Charters D.D.L. 282, 283, 284,
285, 287, 290a, 292, 293, 294, 295, 297, 298]. Margery appears to
have been an aunt of Sir John de Pateshull who married Mabel de
Grandison. I assume their son is the John son of Robert Bryen of
Little Cainhoe who is mentioned in 1346 in Charter D.D.L. 310. I
assume he is also the John Bryen who served as attorney for John de
Pateshull the younger as indicated above.
I've charted below the line of descent from King Henry II of England
down to John de Pateshulle the younger:
1. Henry II, King of England, by a mistress, Ida de Tony.
2. William Longespée, Knt., Earl of Salisbury, married Ela of
Salisbury.
3. Ida Longespée, married William de Beauchamp, Knt., of Bedford,
Bedfordshire.
4. Ela de Beauchamp, married Baldwin Wake, Knt., Baron of Bourne,
Lincolnshire.
5. Ida Wake, married John de Stonegrave, of Stonegrave, Yorkshire.
6. Isabel de Stonegrave, married Simon de Pateshulle, of Pattishall,
Northamptonshire.
7. John de Pateshulle, Knt., of Pattishall, Northamptonshire, married
Mabel de Grandison.
8. John de Pateshulle, occurs 1330-1340.
For interest's sake, I've also listed below the names of the 17th
Century New World immigrants who descend from Sir John de Pateshull
the elder and his wife, Mabel de Grandison, by way of one of their
four daughters, all of whom have modern descendants.
Barbara Aubrey, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas
Booth, Elizabeth Butler, Humphrey Davie, Mary Launce, Hannah, Samuel &
Sarah Levis, Percival Lowell, Joseph & Mary Need, Philip & Thomas
Nelson, Thomas Owsley, Elizabeth Saint John, Mary Johanna Somerset.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
mj...@btinternet.com
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> As to the identity of "Marion" de Pateshull. who was holding the manor
> of Caynho jointly with Robert Brian in 1330, there are several other
> charters in this same series which refer to this woman as "Margery de
> Pateshull, daughter of John de Pateshull," or as "Margery de
> Pateshull, wife of Robert Bryan" [see Charters D.D.L. 282, 283, 284,
> 285, 287, 290a, 292, 293, 294, 295, 297, 298]. Margery appears to
> have been an aunt of Sir John de Pateshull who married Mabel de
> Grandison.
Since she is called the daughter of John de Pateshull, she cannot be
the aunt of Sir John de Pateshull, whose father was named Simon (see
DDL 299). I believe Simon's father was another John, so she may have
been his great-aunt. Or she may have been more distantly connected -
for instance, a niece of Simon. The evidence from the Cainhoe
charters is inconclusive on this point.
MA-R
mj...@btinternet.com
Brain now in gear - if Margery was the daughter of John (the father of
Simon), then she would have been Simon's sister, and thus the aunt of
Sir John.
The identification as proposed thus seems likely.
I note from PROCAT there are some references to a John de Pateshull
and his wife Joan, formerly the wife of Geoffrey de Braddon (eg SC
8/14/700 and E 326/2749, dated to about 1328); these are in connection
with properties in Denbighshire and Northants.
I also note that there is an IPM from 3 Edward III [1329-1330] for a
John de Pateshull of Crawley, Bucks. I wonder if this was John the
husband of Joan de Braddon and, if so, how he fits into the family?
MA-R
mj...@btinternet.com
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> According to Charter D.D.L. 299 (which I quoted in my earlier post),
> Margery de Pateshull had the manor of Cainhoe granted to her for life
> by Simon de Pateshull, which Simon died in 1299. Thus, she can not be
> the aunt of John de Pateshulle the younger, nor did I say that.
> Rather, she would be the sister of his grandfather, Simon de
> Pateshull, who died in 1299, which Simon was the son of an earlier Sir
> John de Pateshull, Knt.
Yes, do keep up; I have acknowledged that I misread the generations.
Incidentally, it seems that Simon de Pateshull died four years earlier
than you have stated above: his IPM is dated 24 Edward I (PRO C
133/77/1).
MA-R
Douglas Richardson
Margery de Pateshulle, wife of Robert Bryan, occurs in charters
between 1304 and 1330. She is repeatedly called "daughter of John de
Pateshull" or "Margery de Pateshull." Clearly she was proud of her
maiden name.
According to Charter D.D.L. 299 (which I quoted in my earlier post),
Margery de Pateshull had the manor of Cainhoe granted to her for life
by Simon de Pateshull, which Simon died in 1295. Thus, she can not be
the aunt of John de Pateshulle the younger, nor did I say that.
Rather, she would be the sister of his grandfather, Simon de
Pateshull, who died in 1295, which Simon was the son of an earlier Sir
John de Pateshull, Knt. I assume the manor of Cainhoe was her
maritagium granted to her by her brother.
For a useful pedigree of the Pateshulle family, I might refer the
reader to Baker, History & Antiquities of Northampton, 2 (1836-1841):
295-297. This pedigree, while accurate enough, fails to include
Margery de Pateshull, wife of Robert de Bryan, as well as John de
Pateshull the younger, who occurs 1330-1340, as members of this
family.
Douglas Richardson
I'm fighting off a case of pilotfish fever. Yes, 1295 is the correct
date. I've issued a revised post.
DR
mj...@btinternet.com
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> These charters indicate that the younger John de Pateshulle was lord
> of Broybury (in Little Cainhoe), Bedfordshire. The younger John was
> living as late as 25 July 1340, when he sold all the corn in the manor
> of Little Cainhoe to his brother-in-law, Sir Roger de Beauchamp
> (husband of his sister, Sibyl).
Coincidentally, in Stow's 'Survey of London' we find the following
entry amongst the burials in the church of the Blackfriars:
"Dame Sibyl, daughter of Wil. [sic] Pattehulle, wife to Roger
Beauchampe" and
"by her, Sir Richard or Roger Beauchampe".
Small world.
MA-R