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C.P. Addition: Marriage of Sir John Devereux and Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont and Sir Nicholas de Lovaine
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Douglas Richardson
Apr 16, 2017, 8:52:00 PM4/16/17
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Complete Peerage includes good accounts of two of the three husbands of Margaret de Vere, namely Sir Henry de Beaumont, Knt., 3rd Lord Beaumont [died 1369] and Sir John Devereux, K.G., Lord Devereux [died 1393]. Below are abstracts of those accounts.
C.P. 2 (1912): 61 (sub Beaumont): "Henry (Beaumont), Lord Beaumont ... He married Maud, widow of Sir Nicholas Lovain, daughter of John (de Vere), 7th Earl of Oxford, by Maud, daughter of Bartholomew Badlesmere [Lord Badlesmere]. He died 17 June 1369, and was buried at Sempringham, co. Lincoln. His widow married, 3rdly, Sir John Devereux, who was buried 1393, at Grey Friars, Newgate. She was also buried there." END OF QUOTE.
C.P. 4 (1916): 296–299 (sub Devereux): "Sir John Devereux, or Deverose ... He married Margaret, da. of John (de Vere), Earl of Oxford, by Maud, sister and coh. of Sir Giles de Badlesmere, of Badlesmere and Chilham, Kent, and 2nd daughter of Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere, of the same [Lords Badlesmere]. She had married, 1stly, Sir Henry de Beaumont, of Falkingham, co. Lincoln [Lord Beaumont], who died 25 July 1369, and was buried in Sempringham Priory: and 2ndly, as 2nd wife, Sir Nicholas de Lovein, of Penshurst, Kent, who died in 1375, and whose will, dated at Poplar, 20 Sept. 1375, was proved in the manor of the Bishop of Winchester at Southwark, 25 Nov. following. Lord Devereux died, suddenly, 22 Feb. 1392/3, and was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars, London. Will dated June 1385 (codicil dated 22 Feb. 1392 [1392/3]), proved in St. Paul's Church, London, 23 Feb. 1392/3. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 25 Feb. 1393/4. She died 15 June 1398, and was buried with him." END OF QUOTE.
C.P. 14 (1998): 78 (sub Beaumont): [Henry de Beaumont married] "Margaret, daughter of John (de Vere), 7th Earl of Oxford, by Maud, sister and coh. of Giles (de Badlesmere), 2nd Lord Badlesmere, daughter of Bartholomew, 1st Lord Badlesmere. He died 25 July 1369 ... His widow married, as his 2nd wife, Sir Nicholas Lovain, of Penshurst, Kent, who died s.p.m. in 1375 ... She married, 3rdly, John (Devereux), 1st Lord Devereux, who died 22 Feb. 1392/3 and was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars, London. She died 15 June 1398 and was buried with him." END OF QUOTE.
We see above that Complete Peerage correctly states that Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont and Sir Nicholas de Lovaine, married (3rd) Sir John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux. However, no information is provided regarding the date of this marriage.
In recent time, two records have surfaced which tell us approximately when the marriage occured.
Dr. Matthew Tompkins has indicated to me privately that there is an account of the bailiff of Sir John Devereux, then lord of Loughborough, Leicestershire dated Michaelmas 1377 [Reference: Hastings MSS, Box 20, Huntingdon Library]. The manor of Loughborough, Leicestershire is known to have been a Beaumont family property. As such, this record indicates that Sir John Devereux had married Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont, by this date and that he held the manor in right of his wife.
In recent time, elsewhere I've located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Trinity term 1377 which shows that Sir John Devereux and his wife, Margaret, were married by that date. Below is an abstract of that lawsuit which involves Barton, Oxfordshire, which property was held by Margaret de Vere's 2nd husband, Sir Nicholas de Lovaine:
In Trinity term 1377 he and his wife, Margaret, sued John Bray and John Blode, of Oxford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a trespass at Barton, Oxfordshire.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/466, image 358f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/E3/CP40no466/aCP40no466fronts/IMG_0358.htm).
In summary, we find that Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont, 3rd Lord Beaumont, and Sir Nicholas de Lovaine, married as her 3rd husband by Trinity term 1377 John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux.
For interest's sake, below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Vere and her 1st husband, Sir Henry de Beaumont, Knt., 3rd Lord Beaumont:
Dorothy Beresford, William Bladen, Charles Calvert, William Crymes, Anne Humphrey, Elizabeth Marshall, John and Margaret Nelson, Herbert Pelham, Edward Raynsford, Mary Johanna Somerset, John Stockman, John West, George Yate.
Below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Vere and her 2nd husband, Sir Nicholas de Lovaine, Knt.:
Elizabeth Bosvile, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, Thomas Dudley, Muriel Gurdon, Anne & Katherine Marbury, John and Margaret Nelson, Thomas Owsley
Below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Vere and her 3rd husband, Sir John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux:
John and Margaret Nelson
Special thanks go to Dr. Tompkins for sharing his findings with me regarding the date of the marriage of Sir John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux, and Margaret de Vere.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Complete Peerage includes good accounts of two of the three husbands of Margaret de Vere, namely Sir Henry de Beaumont, Knt., 3rd Lord Beaumont [died 1369] and Sir John Devereux, K.G., Lord Devereux [died 1393]. Below are abstracts of those accounts.
C.P. 2 (1912): 61 (sub Beaumont): "Henry (Beaumont), Lord Beaumont ... He married Maud, widow of Sir Nicholas Lovain, daughter of John (de Vere), 7th Earl of Oxford, by Maud, daughter of Bartholomew Badlesmere [Lord Badlesmere]. He died 17 June 1369, and was buried at Sempringham, co. Lincoln. His widow married, 3rdly, Sir John Devereux, who was buried 1393, at Grey Friars, Newgate. She was also buried there." END OF QUOTE.
C.P. 4 (1916): 296–299 (sub Devereux): "Sir John Devereux, or Deverose ... He married Margaret, da. of John (de Vere), Earl of Oxford, by Maud, sister and coh. of Sir Giles de Badlesmere, of Badlesmere and Chilham, Kent, and 2nd daughter of Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere, of the same [Lords Badlesmere]. She had married, 1stly, Sir Henry de Beaumont, of Falkingham, co. Lincoln [Lord Beaumont], who died 25 July 1369, and was buried in Sempringham Priory: and 2ndly, as 2nd wife, Sir Nicholas de Lovein, of Penshurst, Kent, who died in 1375, and whose will, dated at Poplar, 20 Sept. 1375, was proved in the manor of the Bishop of Winchester at Southwark, 25 Nov. following. Lord Devereux died, suddenly, 22 Feb. 1392/3, and was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars, London. Will dated June 1385 (codicil dated 22 Feb. 1392 [1392/3]), proved in St. Paul's Church, London, 23 Feb. 1392/3. His widow's dower was ordered to be assigned, 25 Feb. 1393/4. She died 15 June 1398, and was buried with him." END OF QUOTE.
C.P. 14 (1998): 78 (sub Beaumont): [Henry de Beaumont married] "Margaret, daughter of John (de Vere), 7th Earl of Oxford, by Maud, sister and coh. of Giles (de Badlesmere), 2nd Lord Badlesmere, daughter of Bartholomew, 1st Lord Badlesmere. He died 25 July 1369 ... His widow married, as his 2nd wife, Sir Nicholas Lovain, of Penshurst, Kent, who died s.p.m. in 1375 ... She married, 3rdly, John (Devereux), 1st Lord Devereux, who died 22 Feb. 1392/3 and was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars, London. She died 15 June 1398 and was buried with him." END OF QUOTE.
We see above that Complete Peerage correctly states that Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont and Sir Nicholas de Lovaine, married (3rd) Sir John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux. However, no information is provided regarding the date of this marriage.
In recent time, two records have surfaced which tell us approximately when the marriage occured.
Dr. Matthew Tompkins has indicated to me privately that there is an account of the bailiff of Sir John Devereux, then lord of Loughborough, Leicestershire dated Michaelmas 1377 [Reference: Hastings MSS, Box 20, Huntingdon Library]. The manor of Loughborough, Leicestershire is known to have been a Beaumont family property. As such, this record indicates that Sir John Devereux had married Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont, by this date and that he held the manor in right of his wife.
In recent time, elsewhere I've located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Trinity term 1377 which shows that Sir John Devereux and his wife, Margaret, were married by that date. Below is an abstract of that lawsuit which involves Barton, Oxfordshire, which property was held by Margaret de Vere's 2nd husband, Sir Nicholas de Lovaine:
In Trinity term 1377 he and his wife, Margaret, sued John Bray and John Blode, of Oxford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a trespass at Barton, Oxfordshire.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/466, image 358f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/E3/CP40no466/aCP40no466fronts/IMG_0358.htm).
In summary, we find that Margaret de Vere, widow of Sir Henry de Beaumont, 3rd Lord Beaumont, and Sir Nicholas de Lovaine, married as her 3rd husband by Trinity term 1377 John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux.
For interest's sake, below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Vere and her 1st husband, Sir Henry de Beaumont, Knt., 3rd Lord Beaumont:
Dorothy Beresford, William Bladen, Charles Calvert, William Crymes, Anne Humphrey, Elizabeth Marshall, John and Margaret Nelson, Herbert Pelham, Edward Raynsford, Mary Johanna Somerset, John Stockman, John West, George Yate.
Below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Vere and her 2nd husband, Sir Nicholas de Lovaine, Knt.:
Elizabeth Bosvile, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, Thomas Dudley, Muriel Gurdon, Anne & Katherine Marbury, John and Margaret Nelson, Thomas Owsley
Below is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Margaret de Vere and her 3rd husband, Sir John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux:
John and Margaret Nelson
Special thanks go to Dr. Tompkins for sharing his findings with me regarding the date of the marriage of Sir John Devereux, K.G., 1st Lord Devereux, and Margaret de Vere.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Douglas Richardson
Apr 16, 2017, 8:56:25 PM4/16/17
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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 6:52:00 PM UTC-6, Douglas Richardson wrote:
< In recent time, elsewhere I've located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Trinity
< term 1377 which shows that Sir John Devereux and his wife, Margaret, were
< married by that date. Below is an abstract of that lawsuit which involves
< Barton, Oxfordshire, which property was held by Margaret de Vere's 2nd
< husband, Sir Nicholas de Lovaine:
<
< In Trinity term 1377 he and his wife, Margaret, sued John Bray and John Blode, < of Oxford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a trespass at Barton,
< Oxfordshire.
My abstract of the 1377 lawsuit should read as follows:
< In recent time, elsewhere I've located a Common Pleas lawsuit dated Trinity
< term 1377 which shows that Sir John Devereux and his wife, Margaret, were
< married by that date. Below is an abstract of that lawsuit which involves
< Barton, Oxfordshire, which property was held by Margaret de Vere's 2nd
< husband, Sir Nicholas de Lovaine:
<
< In Trinity term 1377 he and his wife, Margaret, sued John Bray and John Blode, < of Oxford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a trespass at Barton,
< Oxfordshire.
In Trinity term 1377 John Deverose, Knt. and his wife, Margaret, sued John Bray and John Blode, of Oxford, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a trespass at Barton, Oxfordshire.
DR
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C.P. page 299 states their son "Sir John Devereux ... aged 16 and more
at his father's death" I guess this implies his parents marriage was
before 23 Feb 1376/7.
Adrian
taf
Apr 18, 2017, 5:30:02 PM4/18/17
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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 11:46:03 AM UTC-7, Adrian wrote:
> C.P. page 299 states their son "Sir John Devereux ... aged 16 and more
> at his father's death" I guess this implies his parents marriage was
> before 23 Feb 1376/7.
It does, but given that I have seen ipms be off by a year or two, I don't know that I would express this without a weasel-word or two.
> C.P. page 299 states their son "Sir John Devereux ... aged 16 and more
> at his father's death" I guess this implies his parents marriage was
> before 23 Feb 1376/7.
taf
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