Ancestry of MC Surety William d'Aubigny
THERON L. SMITH
Isn't William d'Aubigny, the Magna Charta Surety, son of Mr.
Borthwick's William II d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, and wife,
Maud de Clare? (Older accounts such as Wurts (Caveat emptor) and
others showed another William between the surety and William II.
A, Magna Charta Sureties, lines 1 and 157
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0. William (III) d'Aubigny, the Surety, lord of Belvoir, d. 1 May 1236
m (1) Margery Umfreville; m (2) Agatha Trussabut.
1. William II ("le Briton") d'Aubigny
m. Maud Fitz Robert [could be called Maud de Clare]
dau of Robert Fitz Richard, d.1134 & Maud de St.Liz, d.1140
son of Richard Fitz Gilbert de Clare
2. William d'Aubigny of Belvoir, d. 1155/6
3. N.N.
daughter of Robert de Toeni, Lord of Belvoir
[Note that line B shows this 3. as Cecily le Bigod, great
granddaughter of Robert de Tosny of Belvoir!]
B. Excerpts from Richard Borthwick (14 July 1999 posting)
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1. William II d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, d.1168
m. Maud de Clare
dau of Robert Fitz Richard & Matilda de St.Liz
2. William I Brito d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, d. 1133/1155
3. Cecily le Bigod
4. Main d'Aubigny,
5. Adelisa de Bohun
6. Roger de Bohun
7. Adelisa de Tosny
14. Robert de Tosny of Belvoir
Regards,
Theron Smith
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> B. Excerpts from Richard Borthwick (14 July 1999 posting)
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This is mostly correct.
> 1. William II d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, d.1168
> m. Maud de Clare
> dau of Robert Fitz Richard & Matilda de St.Liz
> 2. William I Brito d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, d. 1133/1155
> 3. Cecily le Bigod
> 4. Main d'Aubigny,
> 5. Adelisa de Bohun
> 6. Roger de Bohun
Should be Roger de Bigod
> 7. Adelisa de Tosny
> 14. Robert de Tosny of Belvoir
The Bohun connection is not as well doccumented. We know that Main
d'Aubigny married a woman named Adelisa, and we know that Humphrey de
Bohun was uncle of William d'Aubigny, so it has been speculated that
Adelisa was sister of Humphrey, but she could have been sister-in-law.
taf
ED MANN
>
> Isn't William d'Aubigny, the Magna Charta Surety, son of Mr.
> Borthwick's William II d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, and wife,
> Maud de Clare? (Older accounts such as Wurts (Caveat emptor) and
> others showed another William between the surety and William II.
I have the following:
Direct Descendants of William d'Aubigny
1 William d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1015
+N.N. de Plessis
2 Roger d'Aubigny aka: Roger de Albini b: Abt. 1045 ref #: BxP:2
+Amice b: Abt. 1055
3 William d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1070 ref #: BxP:3
+Maud Bigod b: Abt. 1080 ref #: BxP:3
4 William d'Aubigny aka: 1st Earl of Arundel b: Abt. 1109 d: 12 Oct
1176 ref #: (Ä149-24)
+Adeliza de Louvaine b: Abt. 1103 d: 23 Apr 1151 ref #: Ä149-24
5 William d'Aubigny aka: 2d Earl of Arundel b: Bef. 1150 d: 24 Dec
1193 ref #: Ä149-25
+Maud de St. Hilary aka: Matilda de St. Hilary du Harcourt d: 1173
ref #: (Ä246B-26)
6 William d'Aubigny aka: Magna Charta Surety b: Abt. 1133 d: 1 Feb
1220/21 ref #: W129-1
+Mabel of Chester aka: Mabel de Meschines b: Abt. 1172 ref #:
Ä126-29
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FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
FMS = Stewart, _Forgotten_Monarchy_of_Scotland_, [page].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
Todd A. Farmerie
This is not the Surety. This William was named in the MC, but as a
supporter of the king, ans is distinct from William d'Aubigny of
Belvoir, the Surety.
taf
THERON L. SMITH
<6 William d'Aubigny aka: Magna Charta Surety b:
Abt. 1133 d:
1 Feb 1220/21 ref #: W129-1>
This was not the Magna Charta baron. The above William was "named
in the Magna Charta" document, but the one called the Magna Charta
Surety appears in W1-1 and W157-3 and is a totally different person
with a totally different ancestry except that both Williams probably
share great grand parents (Roger I le Bigod and Adelisa Tonsy)
which would make them 2d cousins.
I don't know what the Charta says about this other William [Does
anyone know?] but he was not the one listed as a Magna Charta
Surety!
<+Mabel of Chester aka: Mabel de Meschines b: Abt. 1172
ref #: Ä126-29>
Cheers,
Theron Smith.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ED MANN [SMTP:EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 5:17 PM
> To: THERON L. SMITH
> Cc: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Ancestry of MC Surety William d'Aubigny
>
> "THERON L. SMITH" wrote:
> >
> > Isn't William d'Aubigny, the Magna Charta Surety, son of Mr.
> > Borthwick's William II d'Aubigny, of Belvoir, and wife,
> > Maud de Clare? (Older accounts such as Wurts (Caveat emptor) and
> > others showed another William between the surety and William II.
>
> I have the following:
<SNIP>
>
Direct Descendants of William d'Aubigny