Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead, Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued

[marlow...@frontier.com]

I am posting these records and sources but mainly to my prove the lineage of EDWARD SUTTON, Gent. of Knowsley (In Huyton) Lancashire and Hall House in Rushton Spencer, Staffordshire, Deputy Steward of the Manor of Prescot, Lancashire for Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1578-1591.
Source : Planagenet Ancestry , Douglas Richardson .

I have known for several years that my grandfather RICHARD ELTONHEAD's line that married ANNE STANLEY was originally NORREY'S and some lines stayed with NORREY's and now some go by the surname of NORRIS where my line stayed with the ELTONHEAD surname.

In trying to prove my EDWARD SUTTON that married ANNE STANLEY, daughter of PETER STANLEY and second wife CICELY TARLETON, of Moor Hall. I am having to rely on these records and surnames. These seem to be the most important. records Is till have not proven the kinship of the William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton below but there must be kinship there.

During the reign of King James I (1603-1625), RICHARD ELTONHEAD sued Sir William Bowyer, Thomas Ridiard, and John Earley in Chancery regarding "messuages and lands in Rushton Spencer, Staffordshire "late of EDWARD SUTTON."

I need to determine who WILLIAM SUTTON, EDMUND SUTTON and THOMAS SUTTON are in my records presented here.

Collections for a History of Staffordshire , Vol. III, New Series; Final Concords Temp James I. 9.

"On the Morrow of All Souls. 5 James I. Between JOHN DAVENPORT, armiger, EDWARD COTTON, armiger, EDMUND SUTTON, gentleman, and WILLIAM SUTTON, complainants, and EDWARD SUTTON, gentleman, and ANNE , his wife, and JOHN EARDLEY, gentleman, and ALICE, his wife, deforciants of a messuage, a garden, 100 acres of land, 30 acres of meadow, 100 acres of pasture, and 20 acres of wood in Rushton Spencer, Ravenscloug-he, and Clowdewood. The deforciants remitted all right to the complainants and to the heirs of JOHN DAVENPORT, for which the complainants gave them 120.From "Gleanings Towards the Annals of Aughton, Near Ormskirk by G. Coulthard."

From: 'Leek: Rushton Spencer', A History of the County of Stafford: Volume 7: Leek and the Moorlands (1996), pp. 223-229. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22920 .

"Two popish recusants were returned in 1607, ANNE, wife of EDWARD SUTTON of Hall House, and their daughter ALICE EARDLEY. Alice was returned with her husband JOHN in 1616, when three other women, all labourers' wives, were also returned. ANNE SUTTON was again returned in 1635, along with another woman, and ALICE EARDLEY in 1641. "

Source: A Calendar of Lancashire and Cheshire Exchuquer Deposition By Commission From 1558-1712 by Caroline Fishback

9th James L, 1611. Hil., No. 5. Sir RANDALL MAINWARING, THOS. JOLLY versus WM. SUTTON, THOS. SUTTON. Manor of Rushton James by Commission, Cheshire. 117 (Stafford). Meets and bounds. The manor of Bugtawton (Chester), and the lordships of Clowdwood and Rushton Spencer (Stafford). A waste or moor called the Clowde, in the manor of Bugtawton. Meets and bounds. Meets and bounds of the counties of Chester and Stafford. Do the manors of Congleton, Bugtawton, and Newbold adjoin the manors of Rushton Spencer, Clowdewod, Rushton James, Biddulph, and Tunstall (Stafford) ? (C. 28 Nov ., I.D. 9 Jan ., at Congleton.)

I googled and found the present owner of the Cloud House and this is what the owner gave as its history.

The site of Cloud House north-west of Woodhouse Green was probably occupied in 1451 by WILLIAM SUTTON of the Cloud; the Sutton family certainly owned the house in 1596. (fn. 34) The present house is dated 1612 and has a small 18th-century extension on the north. Raven's Clough to the east was so called by 1596. (fn. 35) North of Cloud House there was evidently a settlement at Lymford in 1333, when there was mention of Henry of Lymford. (fn. 36) Lymford House, recorded in1596, (fn. 37) possibly stood on the site of the present Lymford Farm, which is of the 18th century. Bythe later 18th century there were houses at Toftgreen at the road junction north-west of Cloud House, and also a settlement called Cloud Sideon the east side of the Cloud. (fn. 38)
______________________________________________________________________________________________

. Since the late 1500s the lordship of the manor of Rushton Spencer had been divided into five moieties. Since EDWARD SUTTON is described as a gentleman from Rushton Spencer it appears likely that he held one of these subdivisions. In 22 James I WILLIAM SUTTON the elder, gent., JANE his wife, and WILLIAM SUTTON the younger, gent. remitted for L320 to PHILIP OLDFIELD, RALPH EARDLEY, and FRANCIS GIBSON 1 messuage, 2 cottages, 3 gardens, 60 acres land, 40 acres meadow, 60 acres pasture, 40 acres wood, common pasture for all cattle, common turbary of Cloudwood and Rushton Spencer, all tithes, oblations, obventions, and mortuaries in Cloudwood and Rushton Spencer, and one fifth part of the manor of Rushton Spencer with appurtenances [Collections For A History of Staffordshire Edited By The William Salt Archaeological Society (London, 1907), v. 10, New Series, Part I, pp. 66]. Is WILLIAM SUTTON the elder possibly a son of EDWARD SUTTON.? _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

A Calendar of Lancashire and Cheshire Exchequer Deposition

It reads:9th James I 1610-1 East No. 32

SIR RANDALL MAINWARING, KNT. versus SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, Knt, RICD. BIDDULPH, Lordship of Buglawton (Chester) and a clear made by plaintiff for rent of lands held by defendants, alledged by him to be praised of the Lordship ( The names of Fras. Biddalph, _____ MASSEY of Crossley, SIR RALPH BAGNALL, Knt, SIR HENRY BAGNALL , KNT, , LORD AUDLEY , in the reign of HENRY VIII are mentioned.\
(C 12 Feb I.D. 9 at Coughton.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
SUTTON British History Online ELTONHEAD, SUTTON and BOLD

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41346

KNOWSLEY British Histoy Online. STANLEY

.http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41314

So far this is the Sutton's I have found with Mainwaring, Cotton that also married into Davenport. The same names with Edward, William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton in records above.

Thomas Mainwaring married Jane, daughter of John Sutton, Dominus of Dudley. (Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. 3, pp. 210-11-12, gives the Cotton family Combermere.) This starts with William Cotton of Cotton, Co. Salop. His son, William Cotton, living 39th year of Henry VI, married Agnes, daughter of Philip Young. Their son, John Cotton, Esq., time of Henry VII's 15th year--1500, married Cicely, daughter of Thomas Mainwaring (sister of Sir John Mainwaring of Ightfield). This leads to Dudley Castle

If anyonc can offer guidance on my EDWARD SUTTON would be appreciated. Although I can't prove it but with these mames of individuals it might be possible my line might to go back to Dudley Castle someway but I need a record and other sources. .

Marianne Dillow

[karen sims]

Thomas Sutton of the Charterhouse was certainly in the neighborhood in 1611

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41316&strquery=sutton%20charterhouse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sutton

this Thomas married the widow of John Sutton/(Dudley family)
The history and antiquities of the parish of Stoke Newington By William
Robinson
http://books.google.com/books?id=T6oHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA31


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Hi Karen,

Thank you for answering and your information. I really believe my EDWARD SUTTON goes back to the family of Dudley Castle someway. The people like SIR RANDALL MAINWARING, JOHN DAVENPORT and EDMUND COTTON are there and they are in these same records of my EDWARD SUTTON and ANNE STANLEY. . This THOMAS SUTTON would be of the age to possibly be a brother to my Edward or cousin, etc. I am also looking into this WILLIAM SUTTON who are in these same records with my EDWARD SUTTON and ANNE STANLEY. I don't think it is a coincidence he is there.

These records are the ones that concern me and I am trying to figure out.

This record is my grandparents EDWARD SUTTON and ANNE STANLEY and ALICE EARDLEY is their daughter and JOHN EARDLEY is their son-in-law.

Collections for a History of Staffordshire , Vol. III, New Series; Final Concords Temp James I. 9.

"On the Morrow of All Souls. 5 James I. Between JOHN DAVENPORT, armiger, EDWARD COTTON, armiger, EDMUND SUTTON, gentleman, and WILLIAM SUTTON, complainants, and EDWARD SUTTON, gentleman, and ANNE , his wife, and JOHN EARDLEY, gentleman, and ALICE, his wife, deforciants of a messuage, a garden, 100 acres of land, 30 acres of meadow, 100 acres of pasture, and 20 acres of wood in Rushton Spencer, Ravenscloug-he, and Clowdewood. The deforciants remitted all right to the complainants and to the heirs of JOHN DAVENPORT, for which the complainants gave them 120.From "Gleanings Towards the Annals of Aughton, Near Ormskirk by G. Coulthard.


From: 'Leek: Rushton Spencer', A History of the County of Stafford: Volume 7: Leek and the Moorlands (1996), pp. 223-229. URL:

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22920 .

"Two popish recusants were returned in 1607, ANNE, wife of EDWARD SUTTON of Hall House, and their daughter ALICE EARDLEY. ALICE was returned with her husband JOHN in 1616, when three other women, all labourers' wives, were also returned. ANNE SUTTON was again returned in 1635, along with another woman, and ALICE EARDLEY in 1641. "

Source: A Calendar of Lancashire and Cheshire Exchuquer Deposition By
Commission From 1558-1712 by Caroline Fishback

Here are the same WILLIAM and THOMAS SUTTON that are in the other record above without EDMUND SUTTON mentioned in this one.

9th James L, 1611. Hil., No. 5. Sir RANDALL MAINWARING, THOS. JOLLY versus WM. SUTTON, THOS. SUTTON. Manor of Rushton James by Commission, Cheshire. 117 (Stafford). Meets and bounds. The manor of Bugtawton (Chester), and the lordships of Clowdwood and Rushton Spencer (Stafford). A waste or moor called the Clowde, in the manor of Bugtawton. Meets and bounds. Meets and bounds of the counties of Chester and Stafford. Do the manors of Congleton, Bugtawton, and Newbold adjoin the manors of Rushton Spencer, Clowdewod, Rushton James, Biddulph, and Tunstall (Stafford) ? (C. 28 Nov ., I.D. 9 Jan ., at Congleton.)

The Cloud House has this as its history by the present owner on the internet.

The site of Cloud House north-west of Woodhouse Green was probably occupied in 1451 by WILLIAM SUTTON of the Cloud; the Sutton family certainly owned the house in 1596. (fn. 34) The present house is dated 1612 and has a small 18th-century extension on the north. Raven's Clough to the east was so called by 1596. (fn. 35) North of Cloud House there was evidently a settlement at Lymford in 1333, when there was mention of Henry of Lymford. (fn. 36) Lymford House, recorded in1596, (fn. 37) possibly

stood on the site of the present Lymford Farm, which is of the 18th century. Bythe later 18th century there were houses at Toftgreen at the road junction north-west of Cloud House, and also a settlement called Cloud Sideeon the east side of the Cloud. (fn. 38) since the late 1500s the lordship of the manor of Rushton Spencer had been divided into five moieties.

Since EDWARD SUTTON is described as a gentleman from Rushton Spencer it appears likely that he held one of these subdivisions. In 22 James I WILLIAM SUTTON the elder, gent., JANE his wife, and WILLIAM SUTTON the younger, gent. remitted for L320 to PHILIP OLDFIELD, RALPH EARDLEY, and FRANCIS GIBSON 1 messuage, 2 cottages, 3 gardens, 60 acres land, 40 acres meadow, 60 acres pasture, 40 acres wood, common pasture for all cattle, common turbary of Cloudwood and Rushton Spencer, all tithes, oblations, obventions, and mortuaries in Cloudwood and Rushton Spencer, and one fifth part of the manor of Rushton Spencer with appurtenances [Collections For A History of Staffordshire Edited By The William Salt Archaeological Society (London, 1907), v. 10, New Series, Part I, pp. 66].

So here I am with these people who are intertwined with mine and now I see this land is in Lancaster, Cheshire and Staffordshire in the same time period and the same people.

So, one of my questions is with these land deals and the SUTTONS that are go back to Dudley Castle. I am not saying my EDWARD SUTTON is directly kin to JOHN DUDLEY and ELIZABETH BERKELEY but I think it falls into that family someway. Now to put the pieces of the puzzle together from these few records.

Marianne Dillow

[marlow...@frontier.com]

I am just trying to understand the land reords below and looking for William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton.

I see there is a John Sutton and wife Thomasine Cholmondeley with sons named John, George, Richard, William and Edmund and a daughter Cecily. I see some of these married into the Davenport family. I wonder if I am off track or it anyone knows if this is going to my Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley. ? Some may have married into Mainwaring also . ?

I could be way off track but I am not sure.

Marianne Dillow

----- Original Message -----
From: marlow...@frontier.com
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:28:27 AM
Subject: Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead, Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued

I am posting these records and sources but mainly to my prove the lineage of EDWARD SUTTON, Gent. of Knowsley (In Huyton) Lancashire and Hall House in Rushton Spencer, Staffordshire, Deputy Steward of the Manor of Prescot, Lancashire for Henry Stanley, Earl of Derby, 1578-1591.
Source : Planagenet Ancestry , Douglas Richardson .

I have known for several years that my grandfather RICHARD ELTONHEAD's line that married ANNE STANLEY was originally NORREY'S and some lines stayed with NORREY's and now some go by the surname of NORRIS where my line stayed with the ELTONHEAD surname.

In trying to prove my EDWARD SUTTON that married ANNE STANLEY, daughter of PETER STANLEY and second wife CICELY TARLETON, of Moor Hall. I am having to rely on these records and surnames. These seem to be the most important. records Is till have not proven the kinship of the William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton below but there must be kinship there.

During the reign of King James I (1603-1625), RICHARD ELTONHEAD sued Sir William Bowyer, Thomas Ridiard, and John Earley in Chancery regarding "messuages and lands in Rushton Spencer, Staffordshire "late of EDWARD SUTTON."

I need to determine who WILLIAM SUTTON, EDMUND SUTTON and THOMAS SUTTON are in my records presented here.

Collections for a History of Staffordshire , Vol. III, New Series; Final Concords Temp James I. 9.

"On the Morrow of All Souls. 5 James I. Between JOHN DAVENPORT, armiger, EDWARD COTTON, armiger, EDMUND SUTTON, gentleman, and WILLIAM SUTTON, complainants, and EDWARD SUTTON, gentleman, and ANNE , his wife, and JOHN EARDLEY, gentleman, and ALICE, his wife, deforciants of a messuage, a garden, 100 acres of land, 30 acres of meadow, 100 acres of pasture, and 20 acres of wood in Rushton Spencer, Ravenscloug-he, and Clowdewood. The deforciants remitted all right to the complainants and to the heirs of JOHN DAVENPORT, for which the complainants gave them 120.From "Gleanings Towards the Annals of Aughton, Near Ormskirk by G. Coulthard."

From: 'Leek: Rushton Spencer', A History of the County of Stafford: Volume 7: Leek and the Moorlands (1996), pp. 223-229. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22920 .

"Two popish recusants were returned in 1607, ANNE, wife of EDWARD SUTTON of Hall House, and their daughter ALICE EARDLEY. Alice was returned with her husband JOHN in 1616, when three other women, all labourers' wives, were also returned. ANNE SUTTON was again returned in 1635, along with another woman, and ALICE EARDLEY in 1641. "

Source: A Calendar of Lancashire and Cheshire Exchuquer Deposition By Commission From 1558-1712 by Caroline Fishback

9th James L, 1611. Hil., No. 5. Sir RANDALL MAINWARING, THOS. JOLLY versus WM. SUTTON, THOS. SUTTON. Manor of Rushton James by Commission, Cheshire. 117 (Stafford). Meets and bounds. The manor of Bugtawton (Chester), and the lordships of Clowdwood and Rushton Spencer (Stafford). A waste or moor called the Clowde, in the manor of Bugtawton. Meets and bounds. Meets and bounds of the counties of Chester and Stafford. Do the manors of Congleton, Bugtawton, and Newbold adjoin the manors of Rushton Spencer, Clowdewod, Rushton James, Biddulph, and Tunstall (Stafford) ? (C. 28 Nov ., I.D. 9 Jan ., at Congleton.)

I googled and found the present owner of the Cloud House and this is what the owner gave as its history.

The site of Cloud House north-west of Woodhouse Green was probably occupied in 1451 by WILLIAM SUTTON of the Cloud; the Sutton family certainly owned the house in 1596. (fn. 34) The present house is dated 1612 and has a small 18th-century extension on the north. Raven's Clough to the east was so called by 1596. (fn. 35) North of Cloud House there was evidently a settlement at Lymford in 1333, when there was mention of Henry of Lymford. (fn. 36) Lymford House, recorded in1596, (fn. 37) possibly stood on the site of the present Lymford Farm, which is of the 18th century. Bythe later 18th century there were houses at Toftgreen at the road junction north-west of Cloud House, and also a settlement called Cloud Sideon the east side of the Cloud. (fn. 38)
______________________________________________________________________________________________

. Since the late 1500s the lordship of the manor of Rushton Spencer had been divided into five moieties. Since EDWARD SUTTON is described as a gentleman from Rushton Spencer it appears likely that he held one of these subdivisions. In 22 James I WILLIAM SUTTON the elder, gent., JANE his wife, and WILLIAM SUTTON the younger, gent. remitted for L320 to PHILIP OLDFIELD, RALPH EARDLEY, and FRANCIS GIBSON 1 messuage, 2 cottages, 3 gardens, 60 acres land, 40 acres meadow, 60 acres pasture, 40 acres wood, common pasture for all cattle, common turbary of Cloudwood and Rushton Spencer, all tithes, oblations, obventions, and mortuaries in Cloudwood and Rushton Spencer, and one fifth part of the manor of Rushton Spencer with appurtenances [Collections For A History of Staffordshire Edited By The William Salt Archaeological Society (London, 1907), v. 10, New Series, Part I, pp. 66]. Is WILLIAM SUTTON the elder possibly a son of EDWARD SUTTON.? ___________________________________________!

__________________________________________________________________

A Calendar of Lancashire and Cheshire Exchequer Deposition

It reads:9th James I 1610-1 East No. 32

SIR RANDALL MAINWARING, KNT. versus SIR WILLIAM BRERETON, Knt, RICD. BIDDULPH, Lordship of Buglawton (Chester) and a clear made by plaintiff for rent of lands held by defendants, alledged by him to be praised of the Lordship ( The names of Fras. Biddalph, _____ MASSEY of Crossley, SIR RALPH BAGNALL, Knt, SIR HENRY BAGNALL , KNT, , LORD AUDLEY , in the reign of HENRY VIII are mentioned.\
(C 12 Feb I.D. 9 at Coughton.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
SUTTON British History Online ELTONHEAD, SUTTON and BOLD

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41346

KNOWSLEY British Histoy Online. STANLEY

.http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41314

So far this is the Sutton's I have found with Mainwaring, Cotton that also married into Davenport. The same names with Edward, William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton in records above.

Thomas Mainwaring married Jane, daughter of John Sutton, Dominus of Dudley. (Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Vol. 3, pp. 210-11-12, gives the Cotton family Combermere.) This starts with William Cotton of Cotton, Co. Salop. His son, William Cotton, living 39th year of Henry VI, married Agnes, daughter of Philip Young. Their son, John Cotton, Esq., time of Henry VII's 15th year--1500, married Cicely, daughter of Thomas Mainwaring (sister of Sir John Mainwaring of Ightfield). This leads to Dudley Castle

If anyone can offer guidance on my EDWARD SUTTON would be appreciated. Although I can't prove it but with these names of individuals it might be possible my line might to go back to Dudley Castle someway but I need a record and other sources. .

Marianne Dillow

[marlow...@frontier.com]

I see now there was an answer by a land sale which one has to send off for records. However it gave enough medieval names without doing that for me to try and trace backwards to the lineage of my Edward Sutton and possibly who this William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton might descend from.

[Wjhonson]

Why aren't you looking harder at Sir John Davenport?

[marlow...@frontier.com]

I am in that process. I also am looking at Mainwaring. :)

. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41314 So far this is the Sutton's I have found with Mainwaring, Cotton that also

[Chris Dickinson]

Marianne Dillow wrote in reply to Will Johnson:

 
 
> I am in that process. I also am looking at Mainwaring. :)

>> Why aren't you looking harder at Sir John Davenport?
 
 

A couple of points that may be helpful.
 
The Davenport surname is very thick on the ground between Leek and Macclesfield. It is certainly difficult to trace at a non-gentry level, but possibly less so higher up.
 
Throw in Bromley-Davenport as well as Davenport into search engines.
 
 
Chris

[marlow...@frontier.com]

Thanks, I also need to look at those individuals with William and Edmund Sutton when an agreement was made on the property of Rushton Spencer.

Marianne Dillow

----- Original Message -----

[marlow...@frontier.com]

This is the land sale below concerning William and Edmund Sutton and this much is on the internet. The rest would have to be sent off for since it is under copyright but I doubt that I will do that but I can check out these names that is in public going backwards to those named. to the Suttons/Dudley's..

Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent Archive Service, Staffordshire Record Office: Antrobus papers

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Rights in the Access to Archives database are the property of the Crown, © 2001-2007

To find out more about the archives described below, contact Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent Archive Service, Staffordshire Record Office

Antrobus Papers
Catalogue Ref. D(W)1761
Creator(s):
Antrobus family of Congleton, Cheshire

Title

Staffordshire Estates - ref. D(W)1761/A/4

Rushton Spencer Manor

FILE [no title] - ref. D(W)1761/A/4/149 - date: 3 July 1596
[from Scope and Content] Agreement relating to the conveyance of the manor of Rushton Spencer between Sir John Savage, John Savage, Sir Edward Savage and Francis Savage, Edward Stanley, William Rode, Francis Higginbottom and Edmund Sutton, Thomas Wyche, James Stoddarte, Hugh Horderne William Sutton, Matthew Bowthe, Thomas Goodefelowe and Rauffe Tofte: Complex agreement prior to the sale of the manor of Rushton Spencer:

Marianne Dillow

.----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:14:07 PM
Subject: Re: Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead,Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued


I see now there was an answer by a land sale which one has to send off for records. However it gave enough medieval names without doing that for me to try and trace backwards to the lineage of my Edward Sutton and possibly who this William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton might descend from.

Marianne Dillow


----- Original Message -----

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To: GEN-ME...@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 5:13:01 PM

Subject: Re: Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead, Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued

I am just trying to understand the land records below and looking for William, Edmund and Thomas Sutton.

I see there is a John Sutton and wife Thomasine Cholmondeley with sons named John, George, Richard, William and Edmund and a daughter Cecily. I see some of these married into the Davenport family. I wonder if I am off track or it anyone knows if this is going to my Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley. ? Some may have married into Mainwaring also . ?

I could be way off track but I am not sure.

Marianne Dillow

----- Original Message -----

.http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41314

[marlow...@frontier.com]

Thank you and I do have Savage grandparents but I think that line has really been hard to trace back because there were several John Savages. I have to depend on the medieval books I have purchased to try and understand it and public records that are available.

I am just trying to figure out who the parents are of William , Edmund and Thomas Sutton that is connected to my Edward Sutton that married Anne Stanley, daughter of Peter Stanley and second wife, Cicely Tarleton. I know the Davenports and Mainwarings that go back to John Dudley and Elizabeth de Berkeley .. or maybe my line could be a junior branch from them. I do know my Edward Sutton didn't marry Theodosia Harrington.

Marianne Dillow

----- Original Message -----
From: "Monica Kanellis" <monica....@gmail.com>
To: marlow...@frontier.com
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:53:39 PM
Subject: Re: Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead,Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued

Hi Marianne,


I also have a bit of a dead end around this time and area with my Mary Savage, possible sister of the Sir John Savage involved here. He had land in Rushton Spenser. As you probably know, they were also intermarried with the Breretons and Stanleys (John's great great grandmother was Katherine Stanley, sister of the 1st Earl of Derby.) A John Mainwaring was mentioned among the signers to his mother, Elizabeth Somerset Savage's marriage contract of 1545 (see below).


http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mlje&id=I2537


LMK if you turn up anything on the Savages in your researches.


best,


Monica

. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41314

[marlow...@frontier.com]

Your right Monica.

I posted on the Cloud records. I am having problems with cataracts and have to have an eye appointment to see if I am ready for surgery or have to wait until they ripen or get a new presription on my glasses. I overlooked some of that. :)

Marianne Dillow

----- Original Message -----
From: "Monica Kanellis" <monica....@gmail.com>
To: marlow...@frontier.com
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:25:53 PM
Subject: Re: Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead,Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued

I don't think it likely there were any other Sir John Savages alive in 1596 with lands in Rushton Spenser (note his will, see link provided). He died the next year, so it is very much current to the period you are interested in. As you can see from his son John's settlement to his own son (1600) these lands are not mentioned.


< lands etc: in RUSHTON SPENCER, ... manors and lordships of Rossheton >



Did you see the mention of William Sutton "of the Cloud" here on the same page as Rushton Spencer manor? My bets would be on him.


Interesting that they mention the same year, 1596. " the Sutton family certainly owned the house in 1596." I see it also confirms the above John Savage
" Sir John died in 1596, ( fn. 68 ) soon after he had conveyed Rushton Spencer to trustees in order to convert the manor's copyhold estates into freehold" btb Yardley mentioned here would be the same as Eardley which I think you mentioned elsewhere.


http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22920

[marlow...@frontier.com]

I just now clicked on it. It is John Savage's will mentioning Rushton Spencer and Cloudwood. It must be him.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mlje&id=I2339

Marianne Dillow

----- Original Message -----
From: "Monica Kanellis" <monica....@gmail.com>
To: marlow...@frontier.com
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 6:55:33 PM
Subject: Re: Edward Sutton and Anne Stanley,Other Sutton's, Eltonhead,Norreys, Cotton, Davenport, Mainwaring, Eardley, Continued

sorry, I just noticed that about the cloud. tried a quckie google, but nothing surfaced.


definitely think you are on the right track here, though. am looking at


Collections for a History of Staffordshire, Volume 9



but should be working :( so will have to come back to it. I think the more we can fill in on all of these families the better to spot the relationships/connections


best of luck with your eyes. mine are going too,


btb just noticed that sir john savage's grandfather, Charles Somerset was married to an Eleanor Sutton, dau of Edward and Cecily. I believe she was his 3rd wife and presumably widow.

[marlow...@frontier.com]

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22920

Sir Hugh le Despenser was succeeded in 1238by his son Sir Hugh (d. 1265). The latter's son Hugh, created earl of Winchester in 1322, was executed in 1326, and in 1327 the king granted RUSHTON SPENCER to Sir Roger Swynnerton. (fn. 64) Swynnerton also acquired the Despensers' share of Alstonefield manor. (fn. 65) Rushton Spencer descended with that share until 1446, when Richard Peshall lost it to his half-brother JohnSavage. (fn. 66) John was succeded in 1463 by his son John, knighted in 1471. Sir John was succeeded in 1495 by his grandson John Savage, knighted in 1497. That Sir John died in 1528 and was succeeded by his son, another Sir John, who died later the same year. The younger Sir John's heir was his son John, knighted in 1547. (fn. 67) Sir John died in 1596, (fn. 68) soon after he had conveyed Rushton Spencer to trustees in order to convert the manor's copyhold estates into freehold, and in 1599 the freeholders acknowledged his son,also Sir John, as lord. (fn. 69) By 1620, however, five of the freeholders had become joint lords of the manor. (fn. 70) There were still five joint lords in 1841,Francis Johnson of Cloud House, John Lockett of Hall House Farm, Thomas Yardley (we think Eardley) of Wall Hill Farm, Charles Harwar of Congleton(Ches.), and the devisees of John Webb of Cowley, in Gnosall. (fn. 71)

From: 'Leek: Rushton Spencer', A History of the County of Stafford: Volume 7: Leek and the Moorlands (1996), pp. 223-229. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22920 Date accessed: 16 March 2013.

Marianne Dillow

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I just now clicked on it. It is John Savage's will mentioning Rushton Spencer and Cloudwood. It must be him.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mlje&id=I2339

Marianne Dillow

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sorry, I just noticed that about the cloud. tried a quckie google, but nothing surfaced.

definitely think you are on the right track here, though. am looking at

Collections for a History of Staffordshire, Volume 9

btb just noticed that sir john savage's grandfather, Charles Somerset was married to an Eleanor Sutton, dau of Edward and Cecily. I believe she was his 3rd wife and presumably widow.