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Joan Mihay

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On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:

WILLIAM D'ALBINI: Lord of Belvoir Castle
ROGER BIGOD: Earl of Norfolk
HUGH BIGOD: The Earl of Norfolk's heir
HENRY DE BOHUN: Earl of Hereford
RICHARD DE CLARE: Earl of Hertford
GILBERT DE CLARE: The Earl of Hertford's heir
WILLIAM DE LANVALLEI: Lord of Stanway Castle, Essex
JOHN DE LACIE: Lord of Halton Castle, Cheshire
WILLIAM DE MOWBRAY: Lord of Axholme Castle, Lincolnshire
SAIRE DE QUINCEY: Earl of Winchester
ROBERT DE ROOS: Lord of Hamlake Castle, Yorkshire
ROBERT DE VERE: Earl of Oxford

I can trace the West family back into the Lords de la Warr family but do
not have any of the above connections. Could someone kindly post an
ahnentafel of John West to any or all of the above named? John零 parents
were Thomas West, 2nd Lord Delaware (1556-1601) and Anne Knollys
(1560-1608)

Thanks for any help.
Joan Mihay
Morro Bay, CA

ED MANN

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> WILLIAM D'ALBINI: Lord of Belvoir Castle

Direct Descendants of William d'Aubigny

1 Sir William d'Aubigny aka: Magna Charta Surety b: Abt. 1133 d: 1
Feb 1220/21 ref #: W129-1
+Mabel of Chester aka: Mabel de Meschines b: Abt. 1172 ref #:
Ä126-29
2 Isabel d'Aubigny ref #: W134-2
+Sir John FitzAlan aka: 4th Earl of Arundel d: 1240 ref #:
(Ä149-27)
3 Sir John FitzAlan aka: 5th Earl of Arundel d: Bef. 10 Nov 1267 ref
#: W134-3
+Maud le Botiller d: 27 Nov 1283 ref #: (Ä70-30)
4 Sir John FitzAlan aka: 6th Earl of Arundel b: 14 Sep 1246 d: 18 Mar
1271/72 ref #: W134-4
+Isabella de Mortimer b: Abt. 1248 d: Aft. 1300 ref #: Ä28-30
5 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 7th Earl of Arundel b: 3 Feb 1266/67 d: 9
Mar 1301/02 ref #: W134-5
+Alasia di Saluzzo b: Abt. 1271 d: 25 Sep 1292 ref #: (Ä28-31)
6 Sir Edmund FitzAlan aka: 8th Earl of Arundel b: 1 May 1285 d: 17
Nov 1326 ref #: W134-6
+Alice de Warenne d: Bef. 23 May 1338 ref #: W121-5
7 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 9th Earl of Arundel b: Abt. 1313 d: 24
Jan 1375/76 ref #: W121-6
*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:
+Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de Lancaster b: Abt. 1318 d: 11
Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10
8 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d: 21
Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12
*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:
+Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
9 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66 d:
22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
10 Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8
+Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622
11 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:
F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)
12 [6] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May
1524 ref #: F198:6
+[5] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
13 [2] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+[1] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar
1538/39 ref #: F47:4
14 [4] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+[3] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
15 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref
#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169
16 [12] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[11] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
17 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v
*2nd Wife of [6] Thomas Howard:
*2nd Wife of John Howard:
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
9 Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344 d: 8
May 1411 ref #: W17-8
10 Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
+Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug 1452
ref #: F46:7
11 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:
F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i
12 [10] Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5
+[9] Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10
13 [1] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar
1538/39 ref #: F47:4
+[2] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:
8 Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
+Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25 Apr
1397 ref #: F140:8
9 Margaret de Holand b: 1385 d: 30 Dec 1429 ref #: F140:8ii
+Sir John Beaufort aka: Marquess of Dorset b: Abt. 1372 d: 16 Mar
1409/10 ref #: F16:10
10 Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b: Abt.
1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9
+Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i
11 Alianor Beaufort aka: Countess of Wilshire d: 16 Aug 1501 ref #:
F53:5
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beaufort:
+Sir Robert Spencer aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1435 d: Abt. 1510 ref #:
BxP:424
12 Margaret Spencer b: Abt. 1472 ref #: F54:4
+Thomas Cary b: Abt. 1460 d: Bef. 21 Jun 1536
13 [3] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
+[4] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Holand:
7 [8] Alaive FitzAlan aka: Alaine FitzAlan ref #: BxP:200
+[7] Sir Roger le Strange aka: 5th Baron Strange of Knockyn b:
Abt. 1327 d: 26 Aug 1381 ref #: (Ä219-34)
8 [14] Alainor le Strange d: 20 Apr 1396 ref #: (Ä93A-31)
+[13] Sir Reynold de Grey aka: 2d Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt.
1319 d: 4 Aug 1388 ref #: Ä93A-31
9 Edith de Grey aka: Ida de Grey b: Abt. 1368 d: 1 Jun 1426
+John Cokayne b: Abt. 1370 d: 22 May 1429 ref #: (Ä136-32)
10 Elizabeth Cokayne b: Abt. 1414
+Laurence Cheney aka: Laurence Cheyne b: 1393 d: 30 Dec 1461 ref
#: Ä136-32
11 Elizabeth Cheney b: Abt. 1420 d: 25 Sep 1473 ref #: Ä136-33
+Sir Frederick Tilney b: Abt. 1416 d: Bef. 1447 ref #: (Ä136-33)
12 [5] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
*2nd Husband of [5] Elizabeth Tilney:
+[6] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May
1524 ref #: F198:6
2 Nichole d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1193 d: Bef. 1254 ref #: W136-2
+Sir Roger de Somery aka: Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1183 d: Bef. 27 Aug
1273 ref #: Ä81-29
3 Joan de Somery d: 1282 ref #: W137-3
+Sir John le Strange IV aka: Lord Strange of Knockyn d: Bef. 27
Feb 1275/76 ref #: Ä255-31
4 Sir John le Strange V aka: 1st Baron Strange of Knockyn b: Abt.
1253 d: Abt. 8 Aug 1309 ref #: W137-4
*2nd Wife of John le Strange V:
+Maud de Walton aka: Maud de Deyville ref #: (Ä249-32)
5 Sir John le Strange aka: 2d Baron Strange of Knockyn d: 6 Feb
1311/12 ref #: BxP:515
+Isolda de Walton d: Aft. 1311 ref #: BxP:515
6 Sir Roger le Strange aka: 4th Baron Strange of Knockyn b: 15 Aug
1301 d: 29 Jul 1349 ref #: BxP:515
*2nd Wife of Roger le Strange:
+Maud b: Bef. 1305 d: Bef. 1344 ref #: BxP:515
7 [7] Sir Roger le Strange aka: 5th Baron Strange of Knockyn b: Abt.
1327 d: 26 Aug 1381 ref #: (Ä219-34)
+[8] Alaive FitzAlan aka: Alaine FitzAlan ref #: BxP:200
4 Hawise le Strange ref #: W137A-4
+Sir Robert de Felton aka: 1st Baron Felton d: 24 Jun 1314 ref #:
BxP:196
5 Sir John de Felton aka: 2d Baron Felton d: Bef. 1346 ref #:
W137A-5
+Sibyl
6 Sir Thomas de Felton ref #: W137A-6
+Joan
7 Eleanor de Felton ref #: W137A-7
*2nd Husband of Eleanor de Felton:
+Sir Thomas Hoo
8 Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8
+Elizabeth Wychingham
9 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1424 d: 1484 ref #: W137A-9
+Sir Geoffrey Boleyn aka: Lord Mayor of London, 1457 d: 1463 ref
#: BxP:58
10 [9] Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10
+[10] Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5
*2nd Wife of Thomas Hoo:
+Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6
9 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5
+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491
10 Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457 d:
11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6
11 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5
+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553
12 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange
13 [11] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[12] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
3 Margaret de Somery aka: Margery de Somery b: Abt. 1239 d: Aft. 18
Jun 1293 ref #: W136-3
+Sir Ralph Basset aka: 1st Lord Basset of Drayton d: 4 Aug 1265
ref #: BxP:26
4 Maud Basset ref #: BxP:27
+Sir John de Grey aka: 2d Lord Grey of Wilton b: Abt. 1258 d: 28
Oct 1323 ref #: BxP:246
5 Sir Rodger de Grey aka: 1st Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1279 d: 6
Mar 1352/53 ref #: BxP:246
+Elizabeth de Hastings b: Abt. 1295 ref #: Ä93A-30
6 [13] Sir Reynold de Grey aka: 2d Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1319
d: 4 Aug 1388 ref #: Ä93A-31
+[14] Alainor le Strange d: 20 Apr 1396 ref #: (Ä93A-31)

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]

ED MANN

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> ROGER BIGOD: Earl of Norfolk
> HUGH BIGOD: The Earl of Norfolk's heir

Direct Descendants of Roger Bigod

1 Sir Roger Bigod aka: 2d Earl of Norfolk Magna Charta Surety b: Abt.
1150 d: Bef. 12 Aug 1221 ref #: W3-1
+Ida
2 Sir Hugh Bigod aka: 3d Earl of Norfolk Magna Charta Surety d: Feb
1224/25 ref #: W3-2
+Maud Marshal b: Abt. 1192 d: 27 Mar 1248 ref #: W148-2
3 Isabel Bigod ref #: W4-3
+Gilbert de Lacy d: 1230 ref #: Ä177A-8
4 Margaret de Lacy d: 1256 ref #: W13-4
+John de Verdun b: Abt. 1226 d: 21 Oct 1274 ref #: BxP:548
5 Sir Theobald de Verdon aka: 1st Baron Verdon b: Abt. 1248 d: 24 Aug
1309 ref #: W13-5
+Margery aka: Eleanor ref #: BxP:548
6 Sir Theobald de Verdon aka: 2d Baron Verdon b: 8 Sep 1278 d: 27 Jul
1316 ref #: W13-6
*2nd Wife of Theobald de Verdon:
+Elizabeth de Clare b: 16 Sep 1295 d: 4 Nov 1360 ref #: F42:13
7 Isabel de Verdun b: 21 Mar 1316/17 d: 25 Jul 1349 ref #: F63:10
+Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 2d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 1305 d: 15
Sep 1343 ref #: W100-6
8 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 3d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 28 Feb
1332/33 d: 8 Jan 1370/71 ref #: F63:9
+Margaret de Ufford b: Abt. 1330 ref #: BxP:543
9 [4] Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/07 ref #: F13:10
+[3] Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 4th Earl of Warwick b: Abt. Mar
1338/39 d: 8 Apr 1401 ref #: W147-7
10 [8] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan
1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9
+[7] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386
d: 28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia
11 [24] Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i
*2nd Husband of [24] Alianor Beauchamp:
+[23] Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b:


Abt. 1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

12 Alianor Beaufort aka: Countess of Wilshire d: 16 Aug 1501 ref #:


F53:5
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beaufort:
+Sir Robert Spencer aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1435 d: Abt. 1510 ref #:
BxP:424

13 Margaret Spencer b: Abt. 1472 ref #: F54:4


+Thomas Cary b: Abt. 1460 d: Bef. 21 Jun 1536

14 [6] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
+[5] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i


15 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref
#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169

16 [2] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[1] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3
17 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v

*2nd Wife of [8] Richard de Beauchamp:
*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:
4 Maud de Lacy d: 11 Apr 1304 ref #: W17C-4
*2nd Husband of Maud de Lacy:
+Sir Geoffrey de Geneville b: Abt. 1226 d: 21 Oct 1314 ref #:
(Ä71-30)
5 Sir Piers de Geneville aka: Lord of Trim b: 1256 d: Bef. 8 Jun 1292
ref #: W12-5
+Jeanne de Lusignan b: Abt. 1262 d: 1322 ref #: Ä135-32
6 Joan de Geneville b: 2 Feb 1285/86 d: 19 Oct 1356 ref #: W12-6
+Sir Roger de Mortimer aka: 1st Earl of March b: 3 May 1287 d: 29
Nov 1330 ref #: W147-5
7 [28] Katherine de Mortimer d: 1371 ref #: W17-7
+[27] Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 3d Earl of Warwick b: 14 Feb
1313/14 d: 13 Nov 1369 ref #: W5-6
8 [10] Maud de Beauchamp d: 1403 ref #: (Ä26-32)
+[9] Sir Roger de Clifford aka: 5th Lord Clifford b: 10 Jul 1333
d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: W82-7
9 Katherine de Clifford d: 23 Apr 1413 ref #: W82-8
+Sir Ralph de Greystoke aka: 5th Baron Greystoke b: 18 Oct 1353 d:
6 Apr 1418 ref #: BxP:254
10 [12] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
+[11] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref
#: F277:8
11 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar
1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)
12 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6
+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8
13 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5


+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491

14 [16] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+[15] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

15 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

16 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec


1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

17 [1] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3

+[2] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i


*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:

*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:
8 [3] Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 4th Earl of Warwick b: Abt. Mar
1338/39 d: 8 Apr 1401 ref #: W147-7
+[4] Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/07 ref #: F13:10
8 [22] Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344


d: 8 May 1411 ref #: W17-8

+[21] Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
9 [30] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
+[29] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

10 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:


F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i

11 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5
+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10
12 [14] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

+[13] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
13 [5] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+[6] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3


*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:

7 Margaret de Mortimer ref #: BxP:384
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Mortimer:
+Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 3d Lord Berkeley b: Bef. 1296 d: 27
Oct 1361 ref #: W80-6
8 [26] Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 4th Lord Berkeley b: 1330 d: 3
Jun 1368 ref #: W80-7
+[25] Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: F82:9
9 Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 5th Lord Berkeley b: 5 Jan 1352/53 d:
13 Jul 1417 ref #: F82:9i
+Margaret de l'Isle aka: Margaret Warren b: 1360 d: 20 Mar 1391/92
ref #: (Ä39-33)
10 [7] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386 d:
28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia
+[8] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan
1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9
*2nd Husband of Isabel Bigod:
+Sir John FitzGeoffrey b: Abt. 1215 d: 23 Nov 1258 ref #:
Ä246C-28
4 Isabel FitzJohn ref #: W8-4
+Sir Robert de Vespont aka: Lord of Westmoreland b: 1239 d: 7 Jun
1264 ref #: (Ä82-30)
5 Isabel de Vespont aka: Isabel de Vipont b: Abt. 1254 d: 14 May 1292
ref #: W8-5
+Roger de Clifford b: Abt. 1244 d: 6 Nov 1282 ref #: (Ä82-31)
6 Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 1st Lord Clifford b: 1274 d: 24 Jun
1314 ref #: W8-6
+Maud de Clare b: Abt. 1279 d: 1 Feb 1324/25 ref #: W144-5
7 Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 2d Lord Clifford b: 5 Nov 1305 d: 20
May 1344 ref #: W144-6
+Isabel de Berkeley d: 25 Jul 1362 ref #: W82-6
8 [9] Sir Roger de Clifford aka: 5th Lord Clifford b: 10 Jul 1333 d:
13 Jul 1389 ref #: W82-7
+[10] Maud de Beauchamp d: 1403 ref #: (Ä26-32)
4 Maud FitzJohn d: Abt. 18 Apr 1301 ref #: W4-4
*2nd Husband of Maud FitzJohn:
+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: 1st Earl of Warwick b: 1237 d: Bef.
22 Jun 1298 ref #: Ä86-29
5 Isabel de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1260 d: Bef. Jun 1306 ref #: W4-5
+Sir Patrick de Chaworth aka: Knt. d: Bef. 7 Jul 1283 ref #:
BxP:111
6 Maud de Chaworth b: 1282 d: Abt. 1320 ref #: W4-6
+Sir Henry Plantagenet aka: 3d Earl of Lancaster b: Abt. 1281 d:
22 Sep 1345 ref #: F153:13
7 Joan Plantagenet aka: Jane Plantagenet d: 7 Jul 1349 ref #:
F196:11
+Sir John de Mowbray aka: 3d Baron Mowbray b: 29 Nov 1310 d: 4 Oct
1361 ref #: W63-5
8 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 4th Baron Mowbray b: 25 Jun 1340 d: 9 Oct
1368 ref #: F196:10
+Elizabeth de Segrave b: 25 Oct 1338 d: 1376 ref #: F205:11i
9 Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #: F277:9
+Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26 Aug
1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)
10 [11] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref
#: F277:8
+[12] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
9 [20] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66


d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

+[19] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11


10 Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8
+Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622
11 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:
F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)

12 [34] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May


1524 ref #: F198:6

+[33] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
13 [13] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+[14] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

*2nd Wife of [34] Thomas Howard:

*2nd Wife of John Howard:

8 Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10
*2nd Husband of Alianor de Mowbray:
+Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326 d: 27
Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7
9 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404 ref #: F141:9
*2nd Husband of Joan de la Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405
10 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep 1395 d: 27 Aug 1450
ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434
11 [18] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10
Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7
+[17] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
12 [15] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Wife of [15] Thomas West:
+[16] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
*2nd Wife of Reynold West:
7 Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de Lancaster b: Abt. 1318 d: 11


Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10

+Sir John de Beaumont aka: 2d Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1318 d: May
1342 ref #: Ä114-31
8 Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont b: 1340 d: 17 Jun 1369
ref #: F186:9
+Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398 ref #: W120-6
9 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 4th Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1361 d: 9 Sep
1396 ref #: F187:8
+Katherine Everingham
10 Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488 ref #: F31:12
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Beaumont:
+Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux b: 20 Feb 1388/89
d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)
11 Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412 d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #: F31:11
+Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1409 d: 18
May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
12 [17] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
*2nd Husband of [17] Katherine Hungerford:
+[18] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d:
10 Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7
*2nd Husband of Alianor Plantagenet:
+Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 9th Earl of Arundel b: Abt. 1313 d: 24


Jan 1375/76 ref #: W121-6

8 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d: 21
Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12
*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:
+Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7

9 [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+[20] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar


1365/66 d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

*3rd Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
9 [21] Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
+[22] Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344


d: 8 May 1411 ref #: W17-8

8 Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
+Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25 Apr
1397 ref #: F140:8
9 Margaret de Holand b: 1385 d: 30 Dec 1429 ref #: F140:8ii
+Sir John Beaufort aka: Marquess of Dorset b: Abt. 1372 d: 16 Mar
1409/10 ref #: F16:10

10 [23] Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b:


Abt. 1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

+[24] Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i


*2nd Husband of Margaret de Holand:

*2nd Husband of Isabel de Beauchamp:
+Sir Hugh le Despencer b: 1 Mar 1260/61 d: 27 Oct 1326 ref #:
BxP:166
6 Sir Hugh le Despencer aka: 2d Lord Despencer d: 24 Nov 1326 ref #:
W14-6
+Alainor de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 30 Jun 1337 ref #: F61:11
7 [25] Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: F82:9
+[26] Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 4th Lord Berkeley b: 1330 d: 3
Jun 1368 ref #: W80-7
5 Sir Guy de Beauchamp aka: 2d Earl of Warwick b: 1278 d: 12 Aug 1315
ref #: W5-5
+Alice de Toeni b: Abt. 1283 d: 8 Jan 1324/25 ref #: W101A-5
6 [27] Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 3d Earl of Warwick b: 14 Feb
1313/14 d: 13 Nov 1369 ref #: W5-6
+[28] Katherine de Mortimer d: 1371 ref #: W17-7
4 Joan FitzJohn d: Abt. 26 May 1303 ref #: Ä73-30
+Theobald de Boteler aka: Theobald Butler b: Abt. 1242 d: 26 Sep
1285 ref #: (Ä73-30)
5 Sir Edmund Butler d: 13 Sep 1321 ref #: Ä73-31
+Joan FitzGerald ref #: Ä178A-8
6 Sir James Butler aka: 1st Earl of Ormonde b: Abt. 1305 d: 6 Jan
1337/38 ref #: Ä73-32
+Alianor de Bohun b: 17 Oct 1304 d: 7 Oct 1363 ref #: F45:10
7 [32] Sir James Butler aka: 2d Earl of Ormond b: 4 Oct 1331 d: 1382
ref #: F45:9
+[31] Elizabeth Darcy d: 24 Mar 1389/90 ref #: BxP:156
8 Sir James Butler aka: 3d Earl of Ormond b: Aft. 1360 d: 7 Sep 1405
ref #: F46:8
+Anne Welles d: Aft. 1396
9 [29] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

+[30] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
*2nd Wife of [29] James Butler:
*2nd Wife of James Butler:
4 Avelina FitzJohn d: Abt. 20 May 1274 ref #: W15-4
+Sir Walter de Burgh aka: Earl of Ulster b: Abt. 1230 d: 28 Jul
1271 ref #: Ä177B-9
5 Sir Richard de Burgh aka: 2d Earl of Ulster b: Abt. 1259 d: 29 Jul
1326 ref #: W15-5
+Margaret de Guines d: 1304 ref #: (Ä75-31)
6 Joan de Burgh d: 12 Mar 1358/59 ref #: BxP:162
*2nd Husband of Joan de Burgh:
+Sir John D'Arcy aka: 1st Baron d'Arcy de Knayth d: 30 May 1347
ref #: BxP:155
7 [31] Elizabeth Darcy d: 24 Mar 1389/90 ref #: BxP:156
*2nd Husband of [31] Elizabeth Darcy:
+[32] Sir James Butler aka: 2d Earl of Ormond b: 4 Oct 1331 d:
1382 ref #: F45:9
2 Margaret Bigod ref #: W7-2
+William de Hastings ref #: BxP:266
3 Sir Henry de Hastings b: 1200 d: Aug 1250 ref #: W7-3
+Ada de Huntingdon aka: Ada of Huntingdon b: 1 Jan 1199/00 d: Aft.
1241 ref #: Ä93-27
4 Sir Henry de Hastings aka: 1st Baron Hastings b: Abt. 1235 d: Abt.
5 Mar 1268/69 ref #: Ä93A-28
+Joan de Cantilupe aka: Eve de Cantilupe d: Bef. Jun 1271 ref #:
BxP:101
5 Sir John de Hastings aka: 2d Baron Hastings b: 6 May 1262 d: 1313
ref #: Ä93A-29
+Isabel de Valence d: 3 Oct 1305 ref #: BxP:545
6 Elizabeth de Hastings b: Abt. 1295 ref #: Ä93A-30
+Sir Rodger de Grey aka: 1st Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1279 d:


6 Mar 1352/53 ref #: BxP:246

7 Sir Reynold de Grey aka: 2d Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1319 d: 4


Aug 1388 ref #: Ä93A-31

+Alainor le Strange d: 20 Apr 1396 ref #: (Ä93A-31)
8 Edith de Grey aka: Ida de Grey b: Abt. 1368 d: 1 Jun 1426

+John Cokayne b: Abt. 1370 d: 22 May 1429 ref #: (Ä136-32)

9 Elizabeth Cokayne b: Abt. 1414

+Laurence Cheney aka: Laurence Cheyne b: 1393 d: 30 Dec 1461 ref
#: Ä136-32

10 Elizabeth Cheney b: Abt. 1420 d: 25 Sep 1473 ref #: Ä136-33


+Sir Frederick Tilney b: Abt. 1416 d: Bef. 1447 ref #: (Ä136-33)

11 [33] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
*2nd Husband of [33] Elizabeth Tilney:
+[34] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May


1524 ref #: F198:6

*2nd Wife of John de Hastings:

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> HENRY DE BOHUN: Earl of Hereford

Direct Descendants of Henry de Bohun

1 Sir Henry de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Hereford / Magna Charta Surety
b: 1176 d: 1 Jun 1220 ref #: W18-1
+Maud FitzGeoffrey d: 27 Aug 1236 ref #: W160-4
2 Sir Humphrey de Bohun V aka: 2d Earl of Hereford b: 1208 d: 24 Sep
1275 ref #: W18-2
+Maud d'Eu d: 14 Aug 1241 ref #: Ä123-29
3 Sir Humphrey de Bohun VI d: 27 Oct 1265 ref #: W18-3
+Eleanor de Braiose ref #: Ä68-29
4 Sir Humphrey de Bohun VII aka: Earl of Hereford & Essex b: Abt.
1249 d: 31 Dec 1298 ref #: W18-4
+Maud de Fiennes ref #: Ä152A-29
5 Sir Humphrey de Bohun VIII aka: 4th Earl of Hereford & Essex b:
Abt. 1276 d: 16 Mar 1321/22 ref #: W18-5
+Elizabeth Plantagenet b: 7 Aug 1282 d: 5 May 1316 ref #: F24:12
6 Alianor de Bohun b: 17 Oct 1304 d: 7 Oct 1363 ref #: F45:10
+Sir James Butler aka: 1st Earl of Ormonde b: Abt. 1305 d: 6 Jan
1337/38 ref #: Ä73-32
7 Sir James Butler aka: 2d Earl of Ormond b: 4 Oct 1331 d: 1382 ref
#: F45:9
+Elizabeth Darcy d: 24 Mar 1389/90 ref #: BxP:156


8 Sir James Butler aka: 3d Earl of Ormond b: Aft. 1360 d: 7 Sep 1405
ref #: F46:8
+Anne Welles d: Aft. 1396

9 [4] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug 1452
ref #: F46:7
+[3] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib


10 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:
F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i
11 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5
+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10

12 [2] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

+[1] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
13 [8] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+[7] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
14 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref


#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169

15 [6] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[5] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3

16 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v
*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:
*2nd Wife of [4] James Butler:

*2nd Wife of James Butler:

*2nd Husband of Alianor de Bohun:
6 Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt. 1312 d:
16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11
+Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7
7 Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
+Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d:


21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

8 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66 d:


22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

9 Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8


+Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622

10 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:


F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)

11 Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May 1524
ref #: F198:6
+Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
12 [1] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+[2] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

*2nd Wife of Thomas Howard:

*2nd Wife of John Howard:

*3rd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
8 [10] Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
+[9] Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344


d: 8 May 1411 ref #: W17-8

9 [3] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
+[4] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

3 Alice de Bohun ref #: W101A-3
+Sir Roger V de Toeni b: 1235 d: Bef. 12 May 1264 ref #: Ä98-29
4 Sir Ralph VII de Toeni b: 1255 d: Bef. 29 Jul 1295 ref #: W101A-4
+Mary d: Aft. 1282 ref #: (Ä98-30)
5 Alice de Toeni b: Abt. 1283 d: 8 Jan 1324/25 ref #: W101A-5
*2nd Husband of Alice de Toeni:
+Sir Guy de Beauchamp aka: 2d Earl of Warwick b: 1278 d: 12 Aug
1315 ref #: W5-5
6 Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 3d Earl of Warwick b: 14 Feb 1313/14


d: 13 Nov 1369 ref #: W5-6

+Katherine de Mortimer d: 1371 ref #: W17-7
7 Maud de Beauchamp d: 1403 ref #: (Ä26-32)
+Sir Roger de Clifford aka: 5th Lord Clifford b: 10 Jul 1333 d: 13


Jul 1389 ref #: W82-7

8 Katherine de Clifford d: 23 Apr 1413 ref #: W82-8


+Sir Ralph de Greystoke aka: 5th Baron Greystoke b: 18 Oct 1353 d:
6 Apr 1418 ref #: BxP:254

9 Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
+Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref #:
F277:8
10 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar


1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)

11 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6


+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8

12 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5


+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491

13 Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457 d:


11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

14 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

15 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec


1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

16 [5] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3

+[6] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i


*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

7 Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 4th Earl of Warwick b: Abt. Mar


1338/39 d: 8 Apr 1401 ref #: W147-7

+Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/07 ref #: F13:10
8 Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan 1381/82


d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9

+Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386 d: 28


Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia

9 Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beauchamp:
+Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b: Abt.


1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

10 Alianor Beaufort aka: Countess of Wilshire d: 16 Aug 1501 ref #:


F53:5
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beaufort:
+Sir Robert Spencer aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1435 d: Abt. 1510 ref #:
BxP:424

11 Margaret Spencer b: Abt. 1472 ref #: F54:4


+Thomas Cary b: Abt. 1460 d: Bef. 21 Jun 1536

12 [7] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
+[8] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
*2nd Wife of Richard de Beauchamp:
7 [9] Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344 d:


8 May 1411 ref #: W17-8

+[10] Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
*3rd Husband of Alice de Toeni:

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> WILLIAM DE LANVALLEI: Lord of Stanway Castle, Essex

Direct Descendants of William de Lanvallei

1 William de Lanvallei aka: Magna Charta Surety d: 1217 ref #:
W159-4
+Hawise Basset
2 Hawise de Lanvallei d: 1249 ref #: W55-2
+Sir John de Burgh aka: Knt. b: 1210 d: 1275 ref #: (Ä94-29)
3 Sir John de Burgh d: Bef. 3 Mar 1279/80 ref #: W55-3
+Cecily de Baliol d: Bef. 1273 ref #: W140-3
4 Hawise de Burgh b: 1256 d: Aft. 1282 ref #: W55-4
+Sir Robert de Grelle b: 1252 d: 15 Feb 1281/82 ref #: (Ä99-30)
5 Joan de Grelle d: Abt. 21 Mar 1352/53 ref #: W55-5
+Sir John la Warre aka: 2d Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1277 d: 9 May
1347 ref #: Ä255A-32
6 John de la Warre b: 1280 d: Bef. 24 Jun 1331 ref #: W56-6
+Margaret de Holand b: 1 Jan 1299/00 d: 21 Aug 1349 ref #:
Ä47B-31
7 Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326 d: 27


Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7

*2nd Wife of Roger de la Warre:
*3rd Wife of Roger de la Warre:
+Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10
8 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404 ref #: F141:9


*2nd Husband of Joan de la Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405

9 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep 1395 d: 27 Aug 1450


ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434

10 Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10 Mar


1475/76 ref #: F142:7

+Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
11 Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457 d: 11


Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Wife of Thomas West:
+Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
12 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

13 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec


1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

14 Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3

+Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
15 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v
*2nd Wife of Reynold West:

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> RICHARD DE CLARE: Earl of Hertford
> GILBERT DE CLARE: The Earl of Hertford's heir

Direct Descendants of Richard de Clare

1 Sir Richard de Clare aka: 4th Earl of Hertford; Magna Charta Surety
b: Abt. 1162 d: Abt. 28 Nov 1217 ref #: W28-1
+Amice FitzWilliam aka: Countess of Gloucester b: Abt. 1160 d: 1
Jan 1224/25 ref #: Ä63-27
2 Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 5th Earl of Hertford; Magna Charta Surety
b: Abt. 1180 d: 25 Oct 1230 ref #: W28-2
+Isabel Marshal b: 9 Oct 1200 d: 17 Jan 1239/40 ref #: W145-2
3 Sir Richard de Clare aka: 6th Earl of Hertford b: 4 Aug 1222 d: 15
Jul 1262 ref #: W28-3
*2nd Wife of Richard de Clare:
+Maud de Lacy b: Abt. 1223 d: Bef. 10 Mar 1288/89 ref #: W107-4
4 Roese de Clare d: Aft. 1315 ref #: W107-5
+Sir Roger de Mowbray aka: 1st Baron Mowbray b: Bef. 1266 d: 1296
ref #: W63-3
5 [24] Sir John de Mowbray aka: 2d Baron Mowbray b: 4 Sep 1286 d: 23
Mar 1321/22 ref #: W63-4
+[23] Alice de Braiose aka: Avila de Braiose d: Bef. 1332 ref #:
BxP:73
6 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 3d Baron Mowbray b: 29 Nov 1310 d: 4 Oct
1361 ref #: W63-5
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Jane Plantagenet d: 7 Jul 1349 ref #:
F196:11
7 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 4th Baron Mowbray b: 25 Jun 1340 d: 9 Oct


1368 ref #: F196:10
+Elizabeth de Segrave b: 25 Oct 1338 d: 1376 ref #: F205:11i

8 [10] Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #: F277:9
+[9] Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26
Aug 1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)
9 [14] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref #:
F277:8
+[13] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9


10 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar
1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)
11 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6
+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8
12 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5
+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491

13 [4] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+[3] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

14 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

15 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec


1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

16 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3

+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
17 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v


*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

8 [20] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66


d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

+[19] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11


9 Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8
+Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622
10 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:
F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)
11 Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May 1524
ref #: F198:6
+Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34

12 [12] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+[11] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

13 [6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+[5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3


14 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref
#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169

15 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3

*2nd Wife of Thomas Howard:
*2nd Wife of John Howard:

7 Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10
*2nd Husband of Alianor de Mowbray:
+Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326 d: 27


Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7

8 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404 ref #: F141:9
*2nd Husband of Joan de la Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405
9 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep 1395 d: 27 Aug 1450
ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434

10 [18] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10


Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7

+[17] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
11 [3] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Wife of [3] Thomas West:
+[4] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i


*2nd Wife of Reynold West:

*2nd Wife of John de Mowbray:
4 Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 3d Earl of Gloucester; 7th Earl of
Hertford b: 2 Sep 1243 d: 7 Dec 1295 ref #: W28-4
*2nd Wife of Gilbert de Clare:
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Joan of England; Joan of Acre b: 1272 d: 23
Apr 1307 ref #: F60:12
5 Alainor de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 30 Jun 1337 ref #: F61:11
+Sir Hugh le Despencer aka: 2d Lord Despencer d: 24 Nov 1326 ref
#: W14-6
6 Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: F82:9
+Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 4th Lord Berkeley b: 1330 d: 3 Jun
1368 ref #: W80-7
7 Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 5th Lord Berkeley b: 5 Jan 1352/53 d:


13 Jul 1417 ref #: F82:9i
+Margaret de l'Isle aka: Margaret Warren b: 1360 d: 20 Mar 1391/92
ref #: (Ä39-33)

8 [8] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386 d:


28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia

+[7] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan


1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9

9 Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beauchamp:
+Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b: Abt.
1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9
10 Alianor Beaufort aka: Countess of Wilshire d: 16 Aug 1501 ref #:
F53:5
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beaufort:
+Sir Robert Spencer aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1435 d: Abt. 1510 ref #:
BxP:424
11 Margaret Spencer b: Abt. 1472 ref #: F54:4
+Thomas Cary b: Abt. 1460 d: Bef. 21 Jun 1536

12 [5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
+[6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
*2nd Husband of Alainor de Clare:
5 Elizabeth de Clare b: 16 Sep 1295 d: 4 Nov 1360 ref #: F42:13
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Theobald de Verdon aka: 2d Baron Verdon b: 8 Sep 1278 d: 27


Jul 1316 ref #: W13-6

6 Isabel de Verdun b: 21 Mar 1316/17 d: 25 Jul 1349 ref #: F63:10


+Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 2d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 1305 d: 15
Sep 1343 ref #: W100-6

7 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 3d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 28 Feb


1332/33 d: 8 Jan 1370/71 ref #: F63:9
+Margaret de Ufford b: Abt. 1330 ref #: BxP:543

8 Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/07 ref #: F13:10
+Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 4th Earl of Warwick b: Abt. Mar


1338/39 d: 8 Apr 1401 ref #: W147-7

9 [7] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan


1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9

+[8] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386


d: 28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia

*2nd Wife of [7] Richard de Beauchamp:

*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:

*3rd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Roger Damory aka: Lord Damory d: Mar 1321/22 ref #:
(Ä257-33)
6 Elizabeth Damory b: May 1318 d: Bef. 1363 ref #: F8:11
+Sir John Bardolf aka: 3d Lord Bardolf b: 13 Jan 1311/12 d: Abt.
29 Jul 1363 ref #: Ä257-33
7 Margaret Bardolf ref #: BxP:572
+Sir Adam de Welles aka: 3d Baron Welles d: 1345 ref #: BxP:572
8 [16] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #:
BxP:572
+[15] Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459
9 [9] Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26
Aug 1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)
+[10] Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #:
F277:9
9 Anne Welles d: Aft. 1396
+Sir James Butler aka: 3d Earl of Ormond b: Aft. 1360 d: 7 Sep


1405 ref #: F46:8

10 [22] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

+[21] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
11 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:


F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i

12 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5


+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10

13 [11] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

+[12] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii


*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:

*2nd Wife of [22] James Butler:
4 Sir Thomas de Clare b: Abt. 1245 d: 29 Aug 1287 ref #: W33-4
+Juliane FitzMaurice b: Abt. 1266 ref #: W144-4
5 Maud de Clare b: Abt. 1279 d: 1 Feb 1324/25 ref #: W144-5
*2nd Husband of Maud de Clare:
+Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 1st Lord Clifford b: 1274 d: 24 Jun
1314 ref #: W8-6
6 Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 2d Lord Clifford b: 5 Nov 1305 d: 20


May 1344 ref #: W144-6
+Isabel de Berkeley d: 25 Jul 1362 ref #: W82-6

7 Sir Roger de Clifford aka: 5th Lord Clifford b: 10 Jul 1333 d: 13


Jul 1389 ref #: W82-7

+Maud de Beauchamp d: 1403 ref #: (Ä26-32)


8 Katherine de Clifford d: 23 Apr 1413 ref #: W82-8
+Sir Ralph de Greystoke aka: 5th Baron Greystoke b: 18 Oct 1353 d:
6 Apr 1418 ref #: BxP:254

9 [13] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
+[14] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref
#: F277:8
5 Margaret de Clare d: 1333 ref #: W33-6
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Clare:
+Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere aka: 1st Lord Badlesmere b: Abt.
1275 d: 14 Apr 1322 ref #: BxP:18
6 Margery de Badlesmere b: 1306 d: 18 Oct 1363 ref #: W33-7
+Sir William de Ros aka: 3d Baron Ros of Hamlake b: Bef. 1296 d:
Abt. 1359 ref #: W1-5
7 [15] Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459
+[16] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #:
BxP:572
6 Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de Badlesmere b: 1310 d: 24 May
1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)
*2nd Husband of Maud de Badlesmere:
+Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 12 Mar 1311/12
d: 24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5
7 Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398 ref #: W120-6
+Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont b: 1340 d: 17 Jun


1369 ref #: F186:9

8 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 4th Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1361 d: 9 Sep


1396 ref #: F187:8
+Katherine Everingham

9 Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488 ref #: F31:12


*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Beaumont:
+Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux b: 20 Feb 1388/89
d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)

10 Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412 d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #: F31:11


+Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1409 d: 18

May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

11 [17] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291


*2nd Husband of [17] Katherine Hungerford:

+[18] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d:


10 Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7

*2nd Husband of Margaret de Vere:
*3rd Husband of Margaret de Vere:
6 Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Badlesmere:
+Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt. 1312 d:


16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11

7 Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
+Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d:
21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

8 [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11


*2nd Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:

+[20] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar


1365/66 d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

*3rd Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
8 Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344 d: 8


May 1411 ref #: W17-8

9 [21] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
+[22] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

2 Maude de Clare aka: Mathilde de Clare b: Abt. 1184 d: 1213 ref #:
W28A-2
+Sir William de Braiose aka: 5th Baron de Braiose b: Abt. 1175 d:
1210 ref #: Ä177-6
3 John de Braiose b: Abt. 1197 d: 18 Jul 1232 ref #: W28A-3
+Margaret verch Llewellyn b: Abt. 1207 d: 1263 ref #: Ä29A-28
4 William de Braiose b: Abt. 1230 d: Bef. 6 Jan 1290/91 ref #:
BxP:73
+Aline de Multon
5 Sir William de Braiose aka: 2d Lord Braiose d: Bef. 1 May 1326 ref
#: BxP:72
+Avila de Moulton ref #: BxP:73
6 [23] Alice de Braiose aka: Avila de Braiose d: Bef. 1332 ref #:
BxP:73
+[24] Sir John de Mowbray aka: 2d Baron Mowbray b: 4 Sep 1286 d:
23 Mar 1321/22 ref #: W63-4
*2nd Husband of [23] Alice de Braiose:
*2nd Wife of William de Braiose:
*3rd Wife of William de Braiose:

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> JOHN DE LACIE: Lord of Halton Castle, Cheshire

Direct Descendants of John de Lacy

1 Sir John de Lacy aka: Earl of Lincoln; Magna Charta Surety b: Abt.
1192 d: 22 Jul 1240 ref #: W54-1
+Margaret de Quincy d: Bef. 30 Mar 1266 ref #: W107-3
2 Maud de Lacy b: Abt. 1223 d: Bef. 10 Mar 1288/89 ref #: W107-4
+Sir Richard de Clare aka: 6th Earl of Hertford b: 4 Aug 1222 d:


15 Jul 1262 ref #: W28-3

3 Roese de Clare d: Aft. 1315 ref #: W107-5


+Sir Roger de Mowbray aka: 1st Baron Mowbray b: Bef. 1266 d: 1296
ref #: W63-3

4 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 2d Baron Mowbray b: 4 Sep 1286 d: 23 Mar
1321/22 ref #: W63-4
+Alice de Braiose aka: Avila de Braiose d: Bef. 1332 ref #:
BxP:73
5 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 3d Baron Mowbray b: 29 Nov 1310 d: 4 Oct


1361 ref #: W63-5
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Jane Plantagenet d: 7 Jul 1349 ref #:
F196:11

6 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 4th Baron Mowbray b: 25 Jun 1340 d: 9 Oct


1368 ref #: F196:10
+Elizabeth de Segrave b: 25 Oct 1338 d: 1376 ref #: F205:11i

7 [10] Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #: F277:9


+[9] Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26
Aug 1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)

8 [14] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref #:


F277:8
+[13] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9

9 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar


1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)

10 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6


+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8

11 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5


+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491

12 [4] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i


+[3] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457
d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

13 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

14 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec


1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

15 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i

16 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v


*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

7 [20] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66


d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
+[19] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11

8 Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8


+Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622

9 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:


F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)

10 Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May 1524


ref #: F198:6
+Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34

11 [12] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii


+[11] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar
1538/39 ref #: F47:4

12 [6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i


+[5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3

13 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref


#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169

14 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i


+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
*2nd Wife of Thomas Howard:
*2nd Wife of John Howard:

6 Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10


*2nd Husband of Alianor de Mowbray:
+Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326 d: 27
Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7

7 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404 ref #: F141:9


*2nd Husband of Joan de la Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405

8 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep 1395 d: 27 Aug 1450


ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434

9 [18] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10


Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7
+[17] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

10 [3] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6
*2nd Wife of [3] Thomas West:
+[4] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
*2nd Wife of Reynold West:
*2nd Wife of John de Mowbray:

3 Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 3d Earl of Gloucester; 7th Earl of


Hertford b: 2 Sep 1243 d: 7 Dec 1295 ref #: W28-4
*2nd Wife of Gilbert de Clare:
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Joan of England; Joan of Acre b: 1272 d: 23
Apr 1307 ref #: F60:12

4 Alainor de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 30 Jun 1337 ref #: F61:11


+Sir Hugh le Despencer aka: 2d Lord Despencer d: 24 Nov 1326 ref
#: W14-6

5 Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: F82:9


+Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 4th Lord Berkeley b: 1330 d: 3 Jun
1368 ref #: W80-7

6 Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 5th Lord Berkeley b: 5 Jan 1352/53 d:


13 Jul 1417 ref #: F82:9i
+Margaret de l'Isle aka: Margaret Warren b: 1360 d: 20 Mar 1391/92
ref #: (Ä39-33)

7 [8] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386 d:


28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia
+[7] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan
1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9

8 Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i


*2nd Husband of Alianor Beauchamp:
+Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b: Abt.
1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

9 Alianor Beaufort aka: Countess of Wilshire d: 16 Aug 1501 ref #:


F53:5
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beaufort:
+Sir Robert Spencer aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1435 d: Abt. 1510 ref #:
BxP:424

10 Margaret Spencer b: Abt. 1472 ref #: F54:4


+Thomas Cary b: Abt. 1460 d: Bef. 21 Jun 1536

11 [5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3


+[6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
*2nd Husband of Alainor de Clare:

4 Elizabeth de Clare b: 16 Sep 1295 d: 4 Nov 1360 ref #: F42:13


*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Theobald de Verdon aka: 2d Baron Verdon b: 8 Sep 1278 d: 27
Jul 1316 ref #: W13-6

5 Isabel de Verdun b: 21 Mar 1316/17 d: 25 Jul 1349 ref #: F63:10


+Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 2d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 1305 d: 15
Sep 1343 ref #: W100-6

6 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 3d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 28 Feb


1332/33 d: 8 Jan 1370/71 ref #: F63:9
+Margaret de Ufford b: Abt. 1330 ref #: BxP:543

7 Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/07 ref #: F13:10


+Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 4th Earl of Warwick b: Abt. Mar
1338/39 d: 8 Apr 1401 ref #: W147-7

8 [7] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan


1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9
+[8] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386
d: 28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia
*2nd Wife of [7] Richard de Beauchamp:
*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Roger Damory aka: Lord Damory d: Mar 1321/22 ref #:
(Ä257-33)

5 Elizabeth Damory b: May 1318 d: Bef. 1363 ref #: F8:11


+Sir John Bardolf aka: 3d Lord Bardolf b: 13 Jan 1311/12 d: Abt.
29 Jul 1363 ref #: Ä257-33

6 Margaret Bardolf ref #: BxP:572


+Sir Adam de Welles aka: 3d Baron Welles d: 1345 ref #: BxP:572

7 [16] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #:


BxP:572
+[15] Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459

8 [9] Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26


Aug 1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)
+[10] Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #:
F277:9

8 Anne Welles d: Aft. 1396

+Sir James Butler aka: 3d Earl of Ormond b: Aft. 1360 d: 7 Sep
1405 ref #: F46:8

9 [22] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7
+[21] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib

10 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:


F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i

11 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5


+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10

12 [11] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4
+[12] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:
*2nd Wife of [22] James Butler:

3 Sir Thomas de Clare b: Abt. 1245 d: 29 Aug 1287 ref #: W33-4


+Juliane FitzMaurice b: Abt. 1266 ref #: W144-4

4 Maud de Clare b: Abt. 1279 d: 1 Feb 1324/25 ref #: W144-5


*2nd Husband of Maud de Clare:
+Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 1st Lord Clifford b: 1274 d: 24 Jun
1314 ref #: W8-6

5 Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 2d Lord Clifford b: 5 Nov 1305 d: 20


May 1344 ref #: W144-6
+Isabel de Berkeley d: 25 Jul 1362 ref #: W82-6

6 Sir Roger de Clifford aka: 5th Lord Clifford b: 10 Jul 1333 d: 13


Jul 1389 ref #: W82-7
+Maud de Beauchamp d: 1403 ref #: (Ä26-32)

7 Katherine de Clifford d: 23 Apr 1413 ref #: W82-8


+Sir Ralph de Greystoke aka: 5th Baron Greystoke b: 18 Oct 1353 d:
6 Apr 1418 ref #: BxP:254

8 [13] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9


+[14] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref
#: F277:8

4 Margaret de Clare d: 1333 ref #: W33-6


*2nd Husband of Margaret de Clare:
+Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere aka: 1st Lord Badlesmere b: Abt.
1275 d: 14 Apr 1322 ref #: BxP:18

5 Margery de Badlesmere b: 1306 d: 18 Oct 1363 ref #: W33-7


+Sir William de Ros aka: 3d Baron Ros of Hamlake b: Bef. 1296 d:
Abt. 1359 ref #: W1-5

6 [15] Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459


+[16] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #:
BxP:572

5 Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de Badlesmere b: 1310 d: 24 May


1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)
*2nd Husband of Maud de Badlesmere:
+Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 12 Mar 1311/12
d: 24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5

6 Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398 ref #: W120-6


+Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont b: 1340 d: 17 Jun
1369 ref #: F186:9

7 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 4th Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1361 d: 9 Sep


1396 ref #: F187:8
+Katherine Everingham

8 Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488 ref #: F31:12


*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Beaumont:
+Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux b: 20 Feb 1388/89
d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)

9 Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412 d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #: F31:11


+Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1409 d: 18
May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

10 [17] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291


*2nd Husband of [17] Katherine Hungerford:
+[18] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d:
10 Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Vere:
*3rd Husband of Margaret de Vere:

5 Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7


*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Badlesmere:
+Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt. 1312 d:
16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11

6 Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7


+Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d:
21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

7 [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11


*2nd Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+[20] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar
1365/66 d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
*3rd Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of [19] Elizabeth FitzAlan:

7 Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii


+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344 d: 8
May 1411 ref #: W17-8

8 [21] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib


+[22] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug
1452 ref #: F46:7

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> WILLIAM DE MOWBRAY: Lord of Axholme Castle, Lincolnshire

Direct Descendants of William de Mowbray

1 Sir William de Mowbray aka: Magna Charta Surety d: Bef. Mar
1223/24 ref #: W63-1
+Avice
2 Sir Roger de Mowbray b: Bef. 1230 d: Abt. Nov 1266 ref #: W63-2
+Maud de Beauchamp d: Bef. Apr 1273
3 Sir Roger de Mowbray aka: 1st Baron Mowbray b: Bef. 1266 d: 1296
ref #: W63-3
+Roese de Clare d: Aft. 1315 ref #: W107-5


4 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 2d Baron Mowbray b: 4 Sep 1286 d: 23 Mar
1321/22 ref #: W63-4
+Alice de Braiose aka: Avila de Braiose d: Bef. 1332 ref #:
BxP:73
5 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 3d Baron Mowbray b: 29 Nov 1310 d: 4 Oct
1361 ref #: W63-5
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Jane Plantagenet d: 7 Jul 1349 ref #:
F196:11
6 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 4th Baron Mowbray b: 25 Jun 1340 d: 9 Oct
1368 ref #: F196:10
+Elizabeth de Segrave b: 25 Oct 1338 d: 1376 ref #: F205:11i

7 Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #: F277:9
+Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26 Aug
1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)
8 Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref #:
F277:8
+Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9


9 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar
1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)
10 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6
+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8
11 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5
+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491
12 [4] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+[3] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457
d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6
13 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5
+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553
14 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange
15 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
16 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v
*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

7 Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66 d: 22


Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

+Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11


8 Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8
+Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622
9 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:
F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)
10 Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May 1524
ref #: F198:6
+Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34

11 Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

12 Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3


13 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref
#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169
14 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
*2nd Wife of Thomas Howard:
*2nd Wife of John Howard:
6 Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10
*2nd Husband of Alianor de Mowbray:
+Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326 d: 27
Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7
7 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404 ref #: F141:9
*2nd Husband of Joan de la Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405
8 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep 1395 d: 27 Aug 1450
ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434

9 Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10 Mar


1475/76 ref #: F142:7

+Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291


10 [3] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457
d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6
*2nd Wife of [3] Thomas West:
+[4] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
*2nd Wife of Reynold West:
*2nd Wife of John de Mowbray:

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> ROBERT DE ROOS: Lord of Hamlake Castle, Yorkshire

Direct Descendants of Robert de Ros

1 Sir Robert de Ros aka: Magna Charta Surety b: Aft. 1164 d: Bef. 23
Dec 1226 ref #: W116-1
+Isabella of Scotland ref #: Ä89-27
2 Sir William de Ros b: Aft. 1192 d: Abt. 1264 ref #: W116-2
+Lucy FitzPiers d: Aft. 1265 ref #: Ä237-7
3 Sir Robert de Ros aka: 1st Baron Ros of Belvoir d: 17 May 1285 ref
#: W117-3
+Isabel d'Aubigny aka: Isabel de Albini d: 15 Jun 1301 ref #:
W1-3
4 Sir William de Ros aka: 2d Baron Ros of Hamlake b: Abt. 1255 d:
1316 ref #: W1-4
+Maud de Vaux b: Abt. 1261 ref #: BPci:2203
5 Sir William de Ros aka: 3d Baron Ros of Hamlake b: Bef. 1296 d:


Abt. 1359 ref #: W1-5

+Margery de Badlesmere b: 1306 d: 18 Oct 1363 ref #: W33-7
6 Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459
+Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #: BxP:572
7 Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26 Aug
1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)
+Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #: F277:9


8 Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref #:
F277:8
+Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
9 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar
1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)
10 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6
+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8
11 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5
+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491

12 Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457 d:


11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6
13 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5
+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553
14 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange
15 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
16 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v
*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

7 Anne Welles d: Aft. 1396

+Sir James Butler aka: 3d Earl of Ormond b: Aft. 1360 d: 7 Sep
1405 ref #: F46:8

8 Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug 1452 ref
#: F46:7
+Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
9 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:


F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i

10 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5


+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10

11 Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar 1538/39
ref #: F47:4
+Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii


12 Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
13 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref
#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169
14 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> SAIRE DE QUINCEY: Earl of Winchester

Direct Descendants of Saier IV de Quincy

1 Sir Saier IV de Quincy aka: Earl of WInchester Magna Charta Surety
b: 1155 d: 3 Nov 1219 ref #: W74-1
+Margaret de Beaumont d: 12 Jan 1234/35 ref #: Ä53-27
2 Hawise de Quincy d: Aft. 1263 ref #: Ä60-28
+Sir Hugh de Vere aka: 4th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 1210 d: Bef. 23
Dec 1263 ref #: W120-2
3 Sir Robert de Vere aka: 5th Earl of Oxford b: 1240 d: Bef. 7 Sep
1296 ref #: W120-3
+Alice de Sanford d: 7 Sep 1312 ref #: (Ä60-29)
4 Sir Alfonso de Vere d: 20 Dec 1329 ref #: W120-4
+Joan Foliot aka: Jane Foliot ref #: (Ä79-30)
5 [36] Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 12 Mar


1311/12 d: 24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5

+[35] Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de Badlesmere b: 1310 d: 24


May 1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)

6 [53] Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398 ref #: W120-6
+[52] Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont b: 1340 d: 17


Jun 1369 ref #: F186:9
7 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 4th Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1361 d: 9 Sep
1396 ref #: F187:8
+Katherine Everingham

8 [16] Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488 ref #: F31:12
*2nd Husband of [16] Elizabeth de Beaumont:
+[15] Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux b: 20 Feb


1388/89 d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)

9 [10] Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412 d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #:
F31:11
+[9] Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1409 d:
18 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
10 [22] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
*2nd Husband of [22] Katherine Hungerford:
+[21] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d:


10 Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7

11 [18] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Wife of [18] Thomas West:
+[17] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
12 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

13 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec


1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

14 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar


1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i

15 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v
*2nd Husband of [53] Margaret de Vere:
*3rd Husband of [53] Margaret de Vere:
4 Joan de Vere aka: Joanna de Vere d: 1293 ref #: W121-4
+Sir William de Warenne aka: 7th Earl of Surrey b: Abt. 1256 d: 15
Dec 1286 ref #: W151-3
5 Alice de Warenne d: Bef. 23 May 1338 ref #: W121-5
+Sir Edmund FitzAlan aka: 8th Earl of Arundel b: 1 May 1285 d: 17


Nov 1326 ref #: W134-6

6 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 9th Earl of Arundel b: Abt. 1313 d: 24


Jan 1375/76 ref #: W121-6

*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:

+[51] Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de Lancaster b: Abt. 1318


d: 11 Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10

7 [38] Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346


d: 21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

*2nd Wife of [38] Richard FitzAlan:
+[37] Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
8 [20] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of [20] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+[19] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar


1365/66 d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

9 [12] Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8
+[11] Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref
#: BPci:1622
10 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:


F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)

11 [8] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May


1524 ref #: F198:6

+[7] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
12 [4] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+[3] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

13 [6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+[5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
14 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref


#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169

15 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i


+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3

*2nd Wife of [8] Thomas Howard:

*2nd Wife of John Howard:

*3rd Husband of [20] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of [20] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
8 Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii


+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344 d: 8
May 1411 ref #: W17-8

9 [30] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
+[29] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

10 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:


F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i

11 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5


+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10

12 [3] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar


1538/39 ref #: F47:4

+[4] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii


*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:

7 [40] Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
+[39] Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25


Apr 1397 ref #: F140:8

8 Margaret de Holand b: 1385 d: 30 Dec 1429 ref #: F140:8ii


+Sir John Beaufort aka: Marquess of Dorset b: Abt. 1372 d: 16 Mar
1409/10 ref #: F16:10

9 [24] Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b:


Abt. 1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

+[23] Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i
10 Alianor Beaufort aka: Countess of Wilshire d: 16 Aug 1501 ref #:


F53:5
*2nd Husband of Alianor Beaufort:
+Sir Robert Spencer aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1435 d: Abt. 1510 ref #:
BxP:424

11 Margaret Spencer b: Abt. 1472 ref #: F54:4


+Thomas Cary b: Abt. 1460 d: Bef. 21 Jun 1536

12 [5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
+[6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Holand:
6 Alaive FitzAlan aka: Alaine FitzAlan ref #: BxP:200
+Sir Roger le Strange aka: 5th Baron Strange of Knockyn b: Abt.
1327 d: 26 Aug 1381 ref #: (Ä219-34)
7 Alainor le Strange d: 20 Apr 1396 ref #: (Ä93A-31)
+Sir Reynold de Grey aka: 2d Baron Grey de Ruthyn b: Abt. 1319 d:


4 Aug 1388 ref #: Ä93A-31

8 Edith de Grey aka: Ida de Grey b: Abt. 1368 d: 1 Jun 1426
+John Cokayne b: Abt. 1370 d: 22 May 1429 ref #: (Ä136-32)
9 Elizabeth Cokayne b: Abt. 1414
+Laurence Cheney aka: Laurence Cheyne b: 1393 d: 30 Dec 1461 ref
#: Ä136-32
10 Elizabeth Cheney b: Abt. 1420 d: 25 Sep 1473 ref #: Ä136-33
+Sir Frederick Tilney b: Abt. 1416 d: Bef. 1447 ref #: (Ä136-33)

11 [7] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
*2nd Husband of [7] Elizabeth Tilney:
+[8] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May


1524 ref #: F198:6

3 Isabel de Vere b: Abt. 1222 d: Aft. 1298 ref #: W124-2
+Sir John de Courtenay b: Abt. 1218 d: 3 May 1274 ref #: Ä50-29
4 Sir Hugh de Courtenay aka: 3d Baron of Oakhampton b: 25 Mar 1249 d:
28 Feb 1290/91 ref #: W124-3
+Eleanor le Despenser d: 30 Sep 1328 ref #: (Ä222-34)
5 Sir Hugh de Courtenay aka: 1st Earl of Devon d: 23 Dec 1340 ref #:
W125-4
+Agnes de St. John d: 11 Jun 1345 ref #: Ä262-32
6 [14] Sir Thomas de Courtenay d: 1356 ref #: W125-5
+[13] Muriel de Moels b: Abt. 1322 ref #: (Ä214-33)
7 Margaret de Courtenay d: Abt. 8 Dec 1422 ref #: BxP:369
+Thomas Peverell ref #: BxP:369
8 Katherine Peverell ref #: BxP:291
+Sir Walter Hungerford aka: 1st Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1378 d: 9
Aug 1449 ref #: BxP:291
9 [9] Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1409 d:
18 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
+[10] Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412 d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #:
F31:11
5 Edeline de Courtenay aka: Evelina de Courtenay d: 1 Oct 1335 ref
#: (Ä222-34)
+Sir Robert de Scales aka: 2d Lord Scales b: Abt. 1279 d: 20 Mar
1324/25 ref #: (Ä222-34)
6 Sir Robert de Scales aka: 3d Baron Scales b: Abt. 1311 d: 1369 ref
#: (Ä232-32)
+Catherine de Ufford ref #: (Ä232-32)
7 Margeret de Scales aka: Margary de Scales ref #: BxP:476
+Sir Robert Howard d: 1389 ref #: BPci:1622
8 Sir John Howard b: 1365 d: 17 Nov 1436 ref #: (Ä188-10)


*2nd Wife of John Howard:

+Alice Tendring b: 1365 d: 18 Oct 1467 ref #: BxP:284
9 [11] Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref #:
BPci:1622
+[12] Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #:
F197:8
5 Margaret de Courtenay ref #: BxP:369
+Sir Nicholas de Moels aka: 2d Baron Moels d: 1316 ref #: BxP:369
6 Sir Roger de Moels aka: 3d Baron Moels ref #: BxP:369
7 Sir John de Moels aka: 4th Baron Moels d: 1337 ref #: BxP:369
+Joane Lovel ref #: BxP:369
8 [13] Muriel de Moels b: Abt. 1322 ref #: (Ä214-33)
+[14] Sir Thomas de Courtenay d: 1356 ref #: W125-5
8 Isabel de Moels ref #: BxP:369
+Sir William de Botreaux aka: Lord Botreaux ref #: BxP:369
9
10 Sir William de Botreaux aka: 2d Lord Botreaux
+Elizabeth de St. Lo
11 [15] Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux b: 20 Feb


1388/89 d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)

+[16] Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488 ref #: F31:12
2 Sir Robert de Quincy d: 1257 ref #: W107-2
+Hawise of Chester aka: Hawise de Meschines b: 1180 d: Abt. 1242
ref #: Ä125-29
3 Margaret de Quincy d: Bef. 30 Mar 1266 ref #: W107-3
+Sir John de Lacy aka: Earl of Lincoln; Magna Charta Surety b:


Abt. 1192 d: 22 Jul 1240 ref #: W54-1

4 Maud de Lacy b: Abt. 1223 d: Bef. 10 Mar 1288/89 ref #: W107-4


+Sir Richard de Clare aka: 6th Earl of Hertford b: 4 Aug 1222 d:
15 Jul 1262 ref #: W28-3

5 Roese de Clare d: Aft. 1315 ref #: W107-5
+Sir Roger de Mowbray aka: 1st Baron Mowbray b: Bef. 1266 d: 1296
ref #: W63-3
6 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 2d Baron Mowbray b: 4 Sep 1286 d: 23 Mar


1321/22 ref #: W63-4
+Alice de Braiose aka: Avila de Braiose d: Bef. 1332 ref #:
BxP:73

7 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 3d Baron Mowbray b: 29 Nov 1310 d: 4 Oct


1361 ref #: W63-5
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Jane Plantagenet d: 7 Jul 1349 ref #:
F196:11

8 Sir John de Mowbray aka: 4th Baron Mowbray b: 25 Jun 1340 d: 9 Oct


1368 ref #: F196:10
+Elizabeth de Segrave b: 25 Oct 1338 d: 1376 ref #: F205:11i

9 [28] Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #: F277:9
+[27] Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d:


26 Aug 1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)

10 [32] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref
#: F277:8
+[31] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
11 Sir Lionel de Welles aka: K.G. / 6th Lord Welles b: 1406 d: 29 Mar


1461 ref #: F277:7
+Joan de Waterton d: Aft. 1434 ref #: (Ä202-35)

12 Alainor de Welles ref #: F278:6


+Sir Thomas Hoo b: Bef. 1400 d: 13 Feb 1454/55 ref #: W137A-8

13 Anne Hoo b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F278:5


+Roger Copley b: Abt. 1430 d: Bef. 1491

14 [17] Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+[18] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457


d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:
*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

9 [19] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66


d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

+[20] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
8 [44] Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10
*2nd Husband of [44] Alianor de Mowbray:
+[43] Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326


d: 27 Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7

9 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404 ref #: F141:9


*2nd Husband of Joan de la Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405

10 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep 1395 d: 27 Aug 1450


ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434

11 [21] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10


Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7

+[22] Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291


*2nd Wife of Reynold West:
*2nd Wife of John de Mowbray:

5 Sir Gilbert de Clare aka: 3d Earl of Gloucester; 7th Earl of


Hertford b: 2 Sep 1243 d: 7 Dec 1295 ref #: W28-4
*2nd Wife of Gilbert de Clare:
+Joan Plantagenet aka: Joan of England; Joan of Acre b: 1272 d: 23
Apr 1307 ref #: F60:12

6 Alainor de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 30 Jun 1337 ref #: F61:11


+Sir Hugh le Despencer aka: 2d Lord Despencer d: 24 Nov 1326 ref
#: W14-6

7 [48] Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: F82:9
+[47] Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 4th Lord Berkeley b: 1330 d: 3


Jun 1368 ref #: W80-7

8 Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 5th Lord Berkeley b: 5 Jan 1352/53 d:


13 Jul 1417 ref #: F82:9i
+Margaret de l'Isle aka: Margaret Warren b: 1360 d: 20 Mar 1391/92
ref #: (Ä39-33)

9 [26] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386 d:


28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia

+[25] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan


1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9

10 [23] Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i
*2nd Husband of [23] Alianor Beauchamp:
+[24] Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b:


Abt. 1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

*2nd Husband of Alainor de Clare:

6 Elizabeth de Clare b: 16 Sep 1295 d: 4 Nov 1360 ref #: F42:13


*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Theobald de Verdon aka: 2d Baron Verdon b: 8 Sep 1278 d: 27
Jul 1316 ref #: W13-6

7 [46] Isabel de Verdun b: 21 Mar 1316/17 d: 25 Jul 1349 ref #:
F63:10
+[45] Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 2d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 1305


d: 15 Sep 1343 ref #: W100-6

8 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 3d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 28 Feb


1332/33 d: 8 Jan 1370/71 ref #: F63:9
+Margaret de Ufford b: Abt. 1330 ref #: BxP:543

9 Margaret de Ferrers d: 22 Jan 1406/07 ref #: F13:10


+Sir Thomas de Beauchamp aka: 4th Earl of Warwick b: Abt. Mar
1338/39 d: 8 Apr 1401 ref #: W147-7

10 [25] Sir Richard de Beauchamp aka: 5th Earl of Warwick b: 28 Jan


1381/82 d: 30 Apr 1439 ref #: F13:9

+[26] Elizabeth de Berkeley aka: Countess of Warwick b: Abt. 1386


d: 28 Dec 1422 ref #: F82:9ia

*2nd Wife of [25] Richard de Beauchamp:

*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth de Clare:
+Sir Roger Damory aka: Lord Damory d: Mar 1321/22 ref #:
(Ä257-33)

7 Elizabeth Damory b: May 1318 d: Bef. 1363 ref #: F8:11


+Sir John Bardolf aka: 3d Lord Bardolf b: 13 Jan 1311/12 d: Abt.
29 Jul 1363 ref #: Ä257-33

8 Margaret Bardolf ref #: BxP:572


+Sir Adam de Welles aka: 3d Baron Welles d: 1345 ref #: BxP:572

9 [34] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #:
BxP:572
+[33] Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459
10 [27] Sir John de Welles aka: 5th Baron Welles b: 20 Apr 1352 d: 26


Aug 1421 ref #: (Ä202-34)

+[28] Alianor de Mowbray b: Mar 1363/64 d: Bef. 1417 ref #:
F277:9
10 Anne Welles d: Aft. 1396

+Sir James Butler aka: 3d Earl of Ormond b: Aft. 1360 d: 7 Sep
1405 ref #: F46:8

11 [29] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug


1452 ref #: F46:7

+[30] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
*2nd Wife of [29] James Butler:

5 Sir Thomas de Clare b: Abt. 1245 d: 29 Aug 1287 ref #: W33-4


+Juliane FitzMaurice b: Abt. 1266 ref #: W144-4

6 Maud de Clare b: Abt. 1279 d: 1 Feb 1324/25 ref #: W144-5


*2nd Husband of Maud de Clare:
+Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 1st Lord Clifford b: 1274 d: 24 Jun
1314 ref #: W8-6

7 [50] Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 2d Lord Clifford b: 5 Nov 1305 d:


20 May 1344 ref #: W144-6

+[49] Isabel de Berkeley d: 25 Jul 1362 ref #: W82-6
8 Sir Roger de Clifford aka: 5th Lord Clifford b: 10 Jul 1333 d: 13


Jul 1389 ref #: W82-7
+Maud de Beauchamp d: 1403 ref #: (Ä26-32)

9 Katherine de Clifford d: 23 Apr 1413 ref #: W82-8


+Sir Ralph de Greystoke aka: 5th Baron Greystoke b: 18 Oct 1353 d:
6 Apr 1418 ref #: BxP:254

10 [31] Maud de Greystoke ref #: W82-9
+[32] Eudo de Welles aka: Ives de Welles d: Bef. 26 Aug 1421 ref
#: F277:8
6 Margaret de Clare d: 1333 ref #: W33-6


*2nd Husband of Margaret de Clare:
+Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere aka: 1st Lord Badlesmere b: Abt.
1275 d: 14 Apr 1322 ref #: BxP:18

7 Margery de Badlesmere b: 1306 d: 18 Oct 1363 ref #: W33-7
+Sir William de Ros aka: 3d Baron Ros of Hamlake b: Bef. 1296 d:


Abt. 1359 ref #: W1-5

8 [33] Maud de Ros ref #: BxP:459
+[34] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord Welles d: 1361 ref #:
BxP:572
7 [35] Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de Badlesmere b: 1310 d: 24


May 1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)

*2nd Husband of [35] Maud de Badlesmere:
+[36] Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 12 Mar


1311/12 d: 24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5

7 Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7


*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Badlesmere:
+Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt. 1312 d:
16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11

8 [37] Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
+[38] Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b:


1346 d: 21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

*2nd Wife of Robert de Quincy:
+Helen verch Llewellyn d: 1253 ref #: (Ä184A-9)
3 Hawise de Quincy b: Abt. 1250 d: Bef. 27 Mar 1285 ref #: W114-3
+Baldwin Wake b: 1236 d: Bef. 10 Feb 1281/82 ref #: Ä184A-9
4 Sir John Wake aka: 1st Baron Wake b: 1268 d: Bef. 10 Apr 1300 ref
#: W114-4
+Joan de Fiennes d: Bef. 26 Oct 1309 ref #: (Ä236-10)
5 Margaret Wake aka: Lady Wake b: Abt. 1299 d: 29 Sep 1349 ref #:
W114-5
*2nd Husband of Margaret Wake:
+Edmund Plantagenet aka: Edmund of Kent b: 5 Aug 1301 d: 19 Mar
1329/30 ref #: F226:14xvii
6 [42] Joan Plantagenet aka: "Fair Maid of Kent" b: 29 Sep 1328 d: 7
Aug 1385 ref #: F139:9
+[41] Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 1st Earl of Kent d: 26 Dec 1360
ref #: W90-7
7 [39] Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25


Apr 1397 ref #: F140:8

+[40] Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
*2nd Husband of [42] Joan Plantagenet:
*3rd Husband of [42] Joan Plantagenet:
2 Sir Roger de Quincy aka: 2d Earl of Winchester b: Abt. 1174 d: 25
Apr 1264 ref #: W74-2
+Helen of Galloway b: Abt. 1208 d: Aft. 21 Nov 1245 ref #: W139-2
3 Elena de Quincy d: Bef. 20 Aug 1296 ref #: W74-3
+Alan la Zouche b: 1205 d: 12 Aug 1270 ref #: (Ä186-3)
4 Sir Roger la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby & Brockley b: Abt.
1241 d: 1285 ref #: W90-4
+Ela Longespee ref #: W144-3
5 Sir Alan la Zouche aka: Lord Zouche of Ashby b: 9 Oct 1267 d: Mar
1313/14 ref #: W90-5
+Eleanor de Segrave b: Abt. 1270 d: 1314 ref #: BxP:598
6 Maud la Zouche b: Abt. 1290 d: 31 May 1349 ref #: W90-6
+Sir Robert de Holand aka: 1st Baron Holand of Upholland b: Abt.
1283 d: 15 Oct 1328 ref #: (Ä261-34)
7 [41] Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 1st Earl of Kent d: 26 Dec 1360 ref
#: W90-7
+[42] Joan Plantagenet aka: "Fair Maid of Kent" b: 29 Sep 1328 d:
7 Aug 1385 ref #: F139:9
7 Margaret de Holand b: 1 Jan 1299/00 d: 21 Aug 1349 ref #: Ä47B-31
+John de la Warre b: 1280 d: Bef. 24 Jun 1331 ref #: W56-6
8 [43] Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre b: 30 Nov 1326 d:


27 Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7

*2nd Wife of [43] Roger de la Warre:
*3rd Wife of [43] Roger de la Warre:
+[44] Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388 ref #: F141:10
3 Margaret de Quincy b: Abt. 1218 d: Abt. 11 Mar 1283/84 ref #:
W88-3
+Sir William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d: 24
Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
4 Sir William de Ferrers b: Abt. 1240 d: Bef. 20 Dec 1287 ref #:
W100-4
+Anne le Despencer aka: Joan le Despencer ref #: (Ä58-30)
5 Sir William de Ferrers aka: 1st Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 30 Jan
1271/72 d: 20 Mar 1324/25 ref #: W100-5
+Ellen de Segrave b: Abt. 1271 d: Aft. 9 Feb 1315/16 ref #:
(Ä58-31)
6 [45] Sir Henry de Ferrers aka: 2d Lord Ferrers of Groby b: 1305 d:


15 Sep 1343 ref #: W100-6

+[46] Isabel de Verdun b: 21 Mar 1316/17 d: 25 Jul 1349 ref #:
F63:10


*2nd Wife of William de Ferrers:

4 Joan de Ferrers d: 19 Mar 1309/10 ref #: W88-4
+Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 1st Lord Berkeley b: 1245 d: 23 Jul
1321 ref #: Ä26-29
5 Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 2d Lord Berkeley b: Apr 1281 d: 31 May
1326 ref #: W88-5
+Eva la Zouche d: 15 Dec 1314 ref #: W80-5
6 Sir Thomas de Berkeley aka: 3d Lord Berkeley b: Bef. 1296 d: 27 Oct
1361 ref #: W80-6
+Margaret de Mortimer ref #: BxP:384
7 [47] Sir Maurice de Berkeley aka: 4th Lord Berkeley b: 1330 d: 3


Jun 1368 ref #: W80-7

+[48] Elizabeth le Despencer d: 13 Jul 1389 ref #: F82:9
*2nd Wife of Thomas de Berkeley:
6 [49] Isabel de Berkeley d: 25 Jul 1362 ref #: W82-6
+[50] Sir Robert de Clifford aka: 2d Lord Clifford b: 5 Nov 1305


d: 20 May 1344 ref #: W144-6

*2nd Wife of Maurice de Berkeley:
3 Elizabeth de Quincy aka: Isabel de Quincy d: Bef. Nov 1328 ref #:
W108-3
+Sir Alexander Comyn aka: 2d Earl of Buchan d: Bef. 6 Apr 1290
ref #: Ä114A-27
4 Sir Alexander Comyn aka: Sheriff of Aberdeen; 4th Earl of Buchan
ref #: Ä114A-28
+Joan le Latimer ref #: (Ä114A-28)
5 Alice Comyn d: Bef. 10 Aug 1349 ref #: Ä114A-29
+Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: Earl of Buchan d: 10 Mar 1339/40 ref
#: Ä114-30
6 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 2d Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1318 d: May 1342
ref #: Ä114-31
+[51] Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de Lancaster b: Abt. 1318


d: 11 Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10

7 [52] Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont b: 1340 d: 17 Jun


1369 ref #: F186:9

+[53] Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398 ref #: W120-6

ED MANN

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Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> ROBERT DE VERE: Earl of Oxford

Direct Descendants of Robert de Vere

1 Sir Robert de Vere aka: 3d Earl of Oxford Magna Charta Surety b:
Aft. 1164 d: Bef. 25 Oct 1221 ref #: W154-3
+Isabel de Bolbec d: Abt. 3 Feb 1244/45 ref #: (Ä246-27)
2 Sir Hugh de Vere aka: 4th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 1210 d: Bef. 23


Dec 1263 ref #: W120-2

+Hawise de Quincy d: Aft. 1263 ref #: Ä60-28


3 Sir Robert de Vere aka: 5th Earl of Oxford b: 1240 d: Bef. 7 Sep
1296 ref #: W120-3
+Alice de Sanford d: 7 Sep 1312 ref #: (Ä60-29)
4 Sir Alfonso de Vere d: 20 Dec 1329 ref #: W120-4
+Joan Foliot aka: Jane Foliot ref #: (Ä79-30)

5 Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt. 12 Mar 1311/12 d:


24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5

+Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de Badlesmere b: 1310 d: 24 May
1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)
6 Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398 ref #: W120-6
+Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont b: 1340 d: 17 Jun


1369 ref #: F186:9
7 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 4th Lord Beaumont b: Abt. 1361 d: 9 Sep
1396 ref #: F187:8
+Katherine Everingham
8 [16] Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488 ref #: F31:12
*2nd Husband of [16] Elizabeth de Beaumont:
+[15] Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux b: 20 Feb
1388/89 d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)
9 [10] Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412 d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #:
F31:11
+[9] Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford b: Abt. 1409 d:
18 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

10 Katherine Hungerford d: 12 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291
*2nd Husband of Katherine Hungerford:
+Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt. 28 Oct 1430 d: 10 Mar


1475/76 ref #: F142:7

11 Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457 d: 11


Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Wife of Thomas West:
+Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i


12 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5
+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553
13 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange
14 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
15 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #: F143:3v

*2nd Husband of Margaret de Vere:
*3rd Husband of Margaret de Vere:

4 Joan de Vere aka: Joanna de Vere d: 1293 ref #: W121-4
+Sir William de Warenne aka: 7th Earl of Surrey b: Abt. 1256 d: 15
Dec 1286 ref #: W151-3
5 Alice de Warenne d: Bef. 23 May 1338 ref #: W121-5
+Sir Edmund FitzAlan aka: 8th Earl of Arundel b: 1 May 1285 d: 17
Nov 1326 ref #: W134-6
6 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 9th Earl of Arundel b: Abt. 1313 d: 24
Jan 1375/76 ref #: W121-6
*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:

+Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de Lancaster b: Abt. 1318 d: 11


Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10

7 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d: 21


Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:
+Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: W19-7
8 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66 d:


22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
9 [12] Margaret de Mowbray b: Abt. 1387 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F197:8
+[11] Sir Robert Howard aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1383 d: 1 Apr 1437 ref
#: BPci:1622
10 Sir John Howard aka: 1st Duke of Norfolk d: 22 Aug 1485 ref #:
F198:7
+Katherine Moleyns d: 3 Nov 1465 ref #: (Ä136-34)
11 [8] Sir Thomas Howard aka: 2d Duke of Norfolk b: 1443 d: 21 May
1524 ref #: F198:6
+[7] Elizabeth Tilney d: 4 Apr 1497 ref #: Ä136-34
12 [4] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
+[3] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar
1538/39 ref #: F47:4
13 [6] Mary Boleyn b: Abt. 1502 d: 19 Jul 1543 ref #: F47:4i
+[5] William Cary b: Abt. 1495 d: 22 Jun 1528 ref #: F54:3
14 Katherine Cary aka: Mary Cary b: Abt. 1521 d: 15 Jan 1568/69 ref
#: F54:2
+Sir Francis Knollys aka: K.G. Knt. b: Abt. 1514 d: 19 Jul 1596
ref #: BxP:169
15 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
*2nd Wife of [8] Thomas Howard:
*2nd Wife of John Howard:

*3rd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:

8 Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #: F106:12iii
+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny b: Aft. 1344 d: 8
May 1411 ref #: W17-8

9 Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430 ref #: F106:12iiib
+Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392 d: 24 Aug 1452


ref #: F46:7
10 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:
F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #: F125:7i
11 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539 ref #: F46:5
+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #: W137A-10
12 [3] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477 d: 12 Mar
1538/39 ref #: F47:4
+[4] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538 ref #: F198:6ii
*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:

7 Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
+Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25 Apr


1397 ref #: F140:8
8 Margaret de Holand b: 1385 d: 30 Dec 1429 ref #: F140:8ii
+Sir John Beaufort aka: Marquess of Dorset b: Abt. 1372 d: 16 Mar
1409/10 ref #: F16:10

9 Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke of Somerset b: Abt.


1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

+Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar 1466/67 ref #: F13:9i

--

Todd A. Farmerie

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ED MANN wrote:
>
> Direct Descendants of Richard de Clare
>

> 4 William de Braiose b: Abt. 1230 d: Bef. 6 Jan 1290/91

> +Aline de Multon
> 5 Sir William de Braiose aka: 2d Lord Braiose d: Bef. 1 May 1326

> +Avila de Moulton ref #: BxP:73
> 6 [23] Alice de Braiose aka: Avila de Braiose

> +[24] Sir John de Mowbray aka: 2d Baron Mowbray

The wives of gens. 4 and 5 are obviously refering to the same person.
Check CP for this.

taf

Dcrdcr4

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Hi Joan:

The information you have requested on Thomas West's Magna Carta lines will be
available shortly in the soon to be published book, Magna Carta Ancestry, now
in the process of being written by Dr. David Faris and myself. ALL of Thomas
West's descents from ALL Magna Carta barons in his ancestry will appear in our
book, along with documentation for EACH generation. Hopefully you can wait a
couple more months for us to finish up the final draft. We keep finding more
stuff!

All for now. Sincerely, Douglas Richardson

Alex Polenov

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Hello! I'm not understand this. Sir William West was 10th lord de la Warre but his
son Thomas was 2nd lord Delaware (not 11th!!!)?! Is this mistake or de la Warre is
not Delaware?

Alex

and...@wellinghall.force9.co.uk

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In article <KR2s2.36$Xw3....@news.callamer.com>,

Joan Mihay <jmi...@slonet.org> wrote:
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>
> WILLIAM D'ALBINI: Lord of Belvoir Castle
> ROGER BIGOD: Earl of Norfolk
> HUGH BIGOD: The Earl of Norfolk's heir
> HENRY DE BOHUN: Earl of Hereford
> RICHARD DE CLARE: Earl of Hertford
> GILBERT DE CLARE: The Earl of Hertford's heir
> WILLIAM DE LANVALLEI: Lord of Stanway Castle, Essex
> JOHN DE LACIE: Lord of Halton Castle, Cheshire
> WILLIAM DE MOWBRAY: Lord of Axholme Castle, Lincolnshire
> SAIRE DE QUINCEY: Earl of Winchester
> ROBERT DE ROOS: Lord of Hamlake Castle, Yorkshire
> ROBERT DE VERE: Earl of Oxford
>
> I can trace the West family back into the Lords de la Warr family but do
> not have any of the above connections. Could someone kindly post an
> ahnentafel of John West to any or all of the above named? John零 parents
> were Thomas West, 2nd Lord Delaware (1556-1601) and Anne Knollys
> (1560-1608)

I'm sorry, I don't know the word "ahnetafel" - could you expand, please?

I can give a bit more info on d'Albini - let me know if you want it.

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> I'm sorry, I don't know the word "ahnetafel" - could you expand, please?


The term is german, and refers to an ancestry table. In this group it
is often used (inappropriately, we have been told) to indicate a
specific type of table in which all of the ancestors are listed,
generation by generation, and moving back in time. THey are numbered in
such a way that a person's father has a number twice theirs, and the
mother twice plus one, thus:

1. person
2. father
3. mother
4. father's father
5. father's mother
6. mother's father
7. mother's mother
8. father's father's father
9. father's father's mother

It represents one of the more compact ways of showing the known ancestry
of an individual in all lines.

taf

ED MANN

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>
> Dear Ed Mann,
> I have found this quite fascinating. Unfortunately, I missed out on part
> 8, would it be too presumptuous of me to ask you to send it to us? Thank you
> for your time,

Joan Mihay wrote:
>
> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>

> SAIRE DE QUINCEY: Earl of Winchester

Direct Descendants of Saier IV de Quincy



1 Sir Saier IV de Quincy aka: Earl of WInchester Magna
Charta Surety
b: 1155 d: 3 Nov 1219 ref #: W74-1
+Margaret de Beaumont d: 12 Jan
1234/35 ref #: Ä53-27

2 Hawise de Quincy d: Aft. 1263
ref #: Ä60-28
+Sir Hugh de Vere aka: 4th Earl of Oxford b: Abt.


1210 d: Bef. 23
Dec 1263 ref #: W120-2

3 Sir Robert de Vere aka: 5th Earl of Oxford b: 1240
d: Bef. 7 Sep
1296 ref #: W120-3
+Alice de Sanford d: 7 Sep 1312
ref #: (Ä60-29)
4 Sir Alfonso de Vere d: 20 Dec 1329
ref #: W120-4
+Joan Foliot aka: Jane Foliot
ref #: (Ä79-30)

5 [36] Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt.


12 Mar
1311/12 d: 24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5

+[35] Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de


Badlesmere b: 1310 d: 24
May 1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)

6 [53] Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398
ref #: W120-6
+[52] Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont

b: 1340 d: 17
Jun 1369 ref #: F186:9
7 Sir John de Beaumont aka: 4th Lord Beaumont b: Abt.
1361 d: 9 Sep
1396 ref #: F187:8
+Katherine Everingham
8 [16] Elizabeth de Beaumont d: 1488
ref #: F31:12
*2nd Husband of [16] Elizabeth de
Beaumont:
+[15] Sir William de Botreaux aka: 3d Lord Botreaux
b: 20 Feb
1388/89 d: 16 May 1462 ref #: (Ä51A-35)
9 [10] Margaret de Botreaux b: Bef. 1412
d: 7 Feb 1477/78 ref #:
F31:11
+[9] Sir Robert Hungerford aka: 2d Lord Hungerford
b: Abt. 1409 d:
18 May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

10 [22] Katherine Hungerford d: 12


May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

*2nd Husband of [22] Katherine
Hungerford:

+[21] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt.


28 Oct 1430 d:
10 Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7

11 [18] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la


Warre b: 1457
d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Wife of [18] Thomas West:

+[17] Eleanor Copley ref #:


F278:5i
12 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #:
F143:5
+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

13 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre

b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange

14 [2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt.


1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3

+[1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607
ref #: F54:2i


15 Capt. John West b: 14 Dec 1590 d: 1659 ref #:
F143:3v

*2nd Husband of [53] Margaret de
Vere:
*3rd Husband of [53] Margaret de


Vere:
4 Joan de Vere aka: Joanna de Vere d: 1293
ref #: W121-4
+Sir William de Warenne aka: 7th Earl of Surrey b: Abt.
1256 d: 15
Dec 1286 ref #: W151-3
5 Alice de Warenne d: Bef. 23 May
1338 ref #: W121-5
+Sir Edmund FitzAlan aka: 8th Earl of Arundel
b: 1 May 1285 d: 17
Nov 1326 ref #: W134-6
6 Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: 9th Earl of Arundel
b: Abt. 1313 d: 24
Jan 1375/76 ref #: W121-6
*2nd Wife of Richard FitzAlan:

+[51] Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de


Lancaster b: Abt. 1318
d: 11 Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10

7 [38] Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of


Arundel b: 1346
d: 21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

*2nd Wife of [38] Richard
FitzAlan:

+[37] Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr
1385 ref #: W19-7
8 [20] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425
ref #: F106:11


*2nd Husband of [20] Elizabeth
FitzAlan:

+[19] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray

15 [1] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607
ref #: F54:2i
+[2] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt.


1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3

*2nd Wife of [8] Thomas Howard:
*2nd Wife of John Howard:

*3rd Husband of [20] Elizabeth
FitzAlan:
*4th Husband of [20] Elizabeth


FitzAlan:
8 Joan FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 14 Nov 1435 ref #:
F106:12iii
+Sir William de Beauchamp aka: Baron Abergavenny
b: Aft. 1344 d: 8
May 1411 ref #: W17-8

9 [30] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430
ref #: F106:12iiib
+[29] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392


d: 24 Aug
1452 ref #: F46:7
10 Sir Thomas Butler aka: 7th Earl of Ormond
d: 3 Aug 1515 ref #:
F46:6
+Anne Hankford b: 1431 d: 13 Nov 1485 ref #:
F125:7i
11 Margaret Butler b: Abt. 1465 d: Abt. 1539
ref #: F46:5
+Sir William Boleyn d: 1505 ref #:
W137A-10
12 [3] Sir Thomas Boleyn aka: Viscount Rochford b: 1477
d: 12 Mar
1538/39 ref #: F47:4
+[4] Elizabeth Howard d: 3 Apr 1538
ref #: F198:6ii
*2nd Wife of Thomas Butler:

7 [40] Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar


1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv

+[39] Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent

b: Abt. 1350 d: 25
Apr 1397 ref #: F140:8
8 Margaret de Holand b: 1385 d: 30 Dec 1429
ref #: F140:8ii
+Sir John Beaufort aka: Marquess of Dorset b: Abt.
1372 d: 16 Mar
1409/10 ref #: F16:10

9 [24] Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke


of Somerset b:
Abt. 1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

+[23] Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar

14 [17] Eleanor Copley ref #:
F278:5i
+[18] Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la


Warre b: 1457
d: 11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:

*2nd Wife of Lionel de Welles:

9 [19] Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray

b: 22 Mar 1365/66
d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

+[20] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul


1425 ref #: F106:11

8 [44] Alianor de Mowbray d: Bef. 1388
ref #: F141:10
*2nd Husband of [44] Alianor de
Mowbray:
+[43] Sir Roger de la Warre aka: 3d Lord la Warre
b: 30 Nov 1326
d: 27 Aug 1370 ref #: W56-7
9 Joan de la Warre d: 24 Apr 1404
ref #: F141:9
*2nd Husband of Joan de la
Warre:
+Sir Thomas West b: 1365 d: 19 Apr 1405
10 Sir Reynold West aka: 3d Lord Warre b: 7 Sep
1395 d: 27 Aug 1450
ref #: F142:8
+Margaret Thorley d: Bef. 1434

11 [21] Sir Richard West aka: 4th Lord West b: Abt.


28 Oct 1430 d: 10
Mar 1475/76 ref #: F142:7

+[22] Katherine Hungerford d: 12


May 1493 ref #: BxP:291

10 [23] Alianor Beauchamp b: 1407 d: 4 Mar


1466/67 ref #: F13:9i

*2nd Husband of [23] Alianor
Beauchamp:

+[24] Sir Edmund Beaufort aka: 4th Earl / 1st Duke


of Somerset b:
Abt. 1406 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F17:9

11 [29] Sir James Butler aka: 4th Earl of Ormond b: 1392


d: 24 Aug
1452 ref #: F46:7

+[30] Joan de Beauchamp d: 3 Aug 1430
ref #: F106:12iiib

*2nd Husband of Margaret de

Clare:
+Sir Bartholomew de Badlesmere aka: 1st Lord
Badlesmere b: Abt.
1275 d: 14 Apr 1322 ref #: BxP:18
7 Margery de Badlesmere b: 1306 d: 18 Oct 1363
ref #: W33-7
+Sir William de Ros aka: 3d Baron Ros of Hamlake
b: Bef. 1296 d:
Abt. 1359 ref #: W1-5
8 [33] Maud de Ros ref #:
BxP:459
+[34] Sir John de Welles aka: 4th Lord
Welles d: 1361 ref #:
BxP:572

7 [35] Maud de Badlesmere aka: Margaret de Badlesmere

b: 1310 d: 24
May 1366 ref #: (Ä79-31)

*2nd Husband of [35] Maud de
Badlesmere:

+[36] Sir John de Vere aka: 7th Earl of Oxford b: Abt.


12 Mar
1311/12 d: 24 Jan 1359/60 ref #: W120-5

7 Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356
ref #: W36-7
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de
Badlesmere:
+Sir William de Bohun aka: 1st Earl of Northampton
b: Abt. 1312 d:
16 Sep 1360 ref #: F24:11

8 [37] Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385
ref #: W19-7
+[38] Sir Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of


Arundel b:
1346 d: 21 Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12

7 [39] Sir Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent

b: Abt. 1350 d: 25
Apr 1397 ref #: F140:8

+[40] Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar


1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv

+[51] Alianor Plantagenet aka: Eleanor de


Lancaster b: Abt. 1318
d: 11 Jan 1371/72 ref #: F186:10

7 [52] Sir Henry de Beaumont aka: 3d Lord Beaumont

b: 1340 d: 17 Jun
1369 ref #: F186:9

+[53] Margaret de Vere d: 15 Jun 1398
ref #: W120-6

--

ED MANN

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> Dear Ed Mann,
> I have found this quite fascinating. Unfortunately, I missed out on part
> 8, would it be too presumptuous of me to ask you to send it to us?

It occurs to me that part 8 may be too big for the list, so here's an
abbreviated version:

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ED MANN

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Alex Polenov wrote:
>
> Hello! I'm not understand this. Sir William West was 10th lord de la Warre but his
> son Thomas was 2nd lord Delaware (not 11th!!!)?! Is this mistake or de la Warre is
> not Delaware?
>
>
> > 12 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
> > 1595 ref #: F143:4
> > *2nd Wife of William West:
> > +Elizabeth Strange
> > 13 [11] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
> > 1601/02 ref #: F143:3
> > +[12] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
> > *2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:

I think I've erred, but I can't figure out how I got there. William
above is the 1st Lord Delaware, I think.

William Addams Reitwiesner

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al...@sap.infran.ru (Alex Polenov) wrote:

>Hello! I'm not understand this. Sir William West was 10th lord de la Warre but his
>son Thomas was 2nd lord Delaware (not 11th!!!)?! Is this mistake or de la Warre is
>not Delaware?
>

>Alex


>
>> 12 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
>> 1595 ref #: F143:4
>> *2nd Wife of William West:
>> +Elizabeth Strange
>> 13 [11] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
>> 1601/02 ref #: F143:3
>> +[12] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
>> *2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:


That's correct.

One of the problems here is that at that time peerage law was just
beginning to be codified.

British law now accepts that a summons to the English Parliament in the
late 12th/early 13th century, followed by the person so summoned actually
taking his seat, created an hereditary peerage, or, to be precise, a
"barony by writ". This would have been considered absurd by those living
in the 13th/14th century, as those summonses held no more significance then
than a jury summons holds today. Nonetheless, because of the legal fiction
that a barony by writ was created by these summonses, you and I refer to
these persons as "3rd Baron Stafford", "4th Baron Percy", etc., whereas
they and their contemporaries never described them that way, and would not
have understood the concept of a "barony by writ".

One of the concepts imposed by this legal fiction of a "barony by writ" is
the concept of "abeyance". English property laws followed the principle of
"coparceny", meaning that if a property holder dies leaving two or more
daughters and no sons, then all of the daughters inherit an equal share of
the property. For example, if there were three daughters then each
daughter inherited one third. If the property holder had died leaving one
or more sons then the oldest son would inherit everything (under the
principle of primogeniture), or if he had died leaving only one daughter
and no sons then she would inherit everything (as his sole heiress), but if
there were multiple daughters then each would be a "co-heiress". As the
legal fiction of a "barony by writ" was being developed, a precise method
of inheritance would have to go along with it, and the method that was
eventually adopted was that of the property laws, along with its idea of
coparceny. Since a peerage dignity (a seat in the House of Lords) is not
divisible (you couldn't have three people each taking up a third of a
seat), the doctrine was developed whereby when a person who held a barony
by writ died leaving coheiresses, the peerage fell into "abeyance", which
could be resolved either naturally (when all the descendants of all the
coheiresses but one died out) or by executive action (the Sovereign would
summon one of the coheirs to Parliament thus resolving the abeyance).

Okay, you've got these two ideas, the legal fiction of a "barony by writ",
and that a barony by writ can fall into "abeyance", right?

Thomas West, 8th Lord De La Warr (a "barony by writ") died in 1525, having
had two wives, first Elizabeth Mortimer and second Eleanor Copley. By his
first wife he had one son, Thomas, and by his second wife he had three
sons, Sir Owen, Sir George and Leonard. At the 8th Lord's death he was
succeeded in his barony by writ by his oldest son Thomas, 9th Lord De La
Warr. The 9th Lord died in 1554 leaving no children. He would have been
succeeded by his half-brother Sir Owen, but Sir Owen had died in 1551
leaving two daughters and coheiresses. So who was summoned to Parliament
to resolve the abeyance? Sir George's son William was summoned as Lord De
La Warr in 1570.

Nobody knows precisely why, though the fact that William West was at the
time a favorite of one of the factions at Court was probably a determining
factor. Nonetheless, because the rules of succession to a "barony by writ"
are now interpreted strictly, the current doctrine is that the older De La
Warr peerage is still in abeyance among the descendants of Sir Owen West's
daughters, and William West's 1570 summons created a new and different De
La Warr peerage.

William's 1570 summons in his uncle's peerage is even less understandable
in light of the fact that William tried to kill his uncle by poison, so as
to accelerate his own succession to the estates and title, and in
consequence was disabled from all honors by Act of Parliament, dated 1
February 4 Edw. VI (1549/50).

See the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol. IV [1916], pp.
155-159 for further details.


William Addams Reitwiesner
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"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."

William Addams Reitwiesner

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and...@wellinghall.force9.co.uk wrote:

>In article <KR2s2.36$Xw3....@news.callamer.com>,


> Joan Mihay <jmi...@slonet.org> wrote:
>> On http://www.magnacharta.org/Immigrants%20index%20page.htm which shows
>> the magna charta dames and barons, and their immigrant descendants it
>> says that the VA governor,John West was descended from the following:
>>

>> WILLIAM D'ALBINI: Lord of Belvoir Castle
>> ROGER BIGOD: Earl of Norfolk
>> HUGH BIGOD: The Earl of Norfolk's heir
>> HENRY DE BOHUN: Earl of Hereford
>> RICHARD DE CLARE: Earl of Hertford
>> GILBERT DE CLARE: The Earl of Hertford's heir
>> WILLIAM DE LANVALLEI: Lord of Stanway Castle, Essex
>> JOHN DE LACIE: Lord of Halton Castle, Cheshire
>> WILLIAM DE MOWBRAY: Lord of Axholme Castle, Lincolnshire

>> SAIRE DE QUINCEY: Earl of Winchester

>> ROBERT DE ROOS: Lord of Hamlake Castle, Yorkshire
>> ROBERT DE VERE: Earl of Oxford
>>
>> I can trace the West family back into the Lords de la Warr family but do
>> not have any of the above connections. Could someone kindly post an
>> ahnentafel of John West to any or all of the above named? John零 parents
>> were Thomas West, 2nd Lord Delaware (1556-1601) and Anne Knollys
>> (1560-1608)
>

>I'm sorry, I don't know the word "ahnetafel" - could you expand, please?

"Ahnentafel" or "Ancestor Table" is described in the FAQ for this group,
which is available at the URL referenced below.


William Addams Reitwiesner
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Maintainer of the GEN-MEDIEVAL/soc.genealogy.medieval FAQ
<http://www.erols.com/wrei/faqs/medieval.html>

John Steele Gordon

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William Addams Reitwiesner wrote:

> Nonetheless, because the rules of succession to a "barony by writ"
> are now interpreted strictly, the current doctrine is that the older De La
> Warr peerage is still in abeyance among the descendants of Sir Owen West's
> daughters, and William West's 1570 summons created a new and different De
> La Warr peerage.
>

If I remember correctly, in 1927 Parliament passed an act stating that
peerages in abeyance could only be called out of abeyance within a
hundred years of their lapsing into that state. This was to prevent such
things as the barony of Camoys that was called out of abeyance in 1839,
413 years after the previous holder of the title had died in 1426. Grey
of Codnor is another example. The title was created in 1397, but the
present Lord Grey of Codnor is only the sixth to hold it.

So, my question. Once a hundred years has elapsed--and the older Da La
Warr peerage mentioned above has been in abeyance well over four
hundred--is the peerage locked up in the limbo of abeyance until the
ravens desert the Tower of London, or is it extinct?

John Steele Gordon


William Addams Reitwiesner

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It's in abeyance.

I'd be happy to correct your misunderstanding of what happened in 1927, but
discussion of 20th century legislation is off-topic in a forum devoted to
medieval genealogy. Might I suggest the <alt.talk.royalty> newsgroup, to
which I've set the followup.

Ali...@aol.com

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I think in this particular case, the discussion is not really too far off
topic. I would like to know more, and I think the subject matter is certainly
applicable to "our" period, even if it also involves an act of parliament in
1927.

Alix Von Bosen

Alex Polenov

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Understand! But wy they wrotes Delaware instead de la Warre after 1570?
Was William adopted a new rule of spelling this name or this is only
author skill. Or this is a skill of XVI century (Lopital instead L'Hopital,
Dalamber instead D'Alamber etc)

Alex.

> William's 1570 summons in his uncle's peerage is even less understandable
> in light of the fact that William tried to kill his uncle by poison, so as
> to accelerate his own succession to the estates and title, and in
> consequence was disabled from all honors by Act of Parliament, dated 1
> February 4 Edw. VI (1549/50).
>
> See the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete Peerage*, vol. IV [1916], pp.
> 155-159 for further details.
>
>

Alex Polenov

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So of Sir William is first so how his grandfarther was 3rd???
Or De la Warre is not Delaware?

10 Eleanor Copley ref #: F278:5i
+Sir Thomas West aka: 5th Lord West; 3d Lord la Warre b: 1457 d:


11 Oct 1525 ref #: F142:6

11 Sir George West d: Sep 1538 ref #: F143:5


+Elizabeth Morton d: Aft. 1553

12 Sir William West aka: 10th Lord de la Warre b: Abt. 1520 d: 30 Dec
1595 ref #: F143:4
*2nd Wife of William West:
+Elizabeth Strange
13 [11] Sir Thomas West aka: 2d Lord Delaware b: Abt. 1556 d: 24 Mar
1601/02 ref #: F143:3
+[12] Anne Knollys d: Aft. 1607 ref #: F54:2i
*2nd Husband of Anne Hoo:

> I think I've erred, but I can't figure out how I got there. William
> above is the 1st Lord Delaware, I think.
>
> --
> FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
> Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
>
> References:
> Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
> AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
> the Princess of Wales_, [page].
> AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
> [Pres. # : page].
> BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
> BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
> BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
> BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
> EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
> EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
> [page].
> EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
> [page].
> F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
> NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].

> + = Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,

William Addams Reitwiesner

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al...@sap.infran.ru (Alex Polenov) wrote:

>Understand! But wy they wrotes Delaware instead de la Warre after 1570?
>Was William adopted a new rule of spelling this name or this is only
>author skill. Or this is a skill of XVI century (Lopital instead L'Hopital,
>Dalamber instead D'Alamber etc)

The actual summons to the first Lord De La Warr was issued to "Rogero la
Warre". Later summonses were to "Johanni la Warre", "Johanni de la Warre"
or "le Warre", "Rogero de la Warre" or "de Warre", "Thome de la Ware", and,
occasionally, "Reginaldo West". In other words, choose whichever one you
want.

One reason for the "Delaware" spelling of the later peerage might be that
the 3rd Baron of the 1570 creation was very interested in colonization of
the New World. Delaware Bay, and the state of Delaware, both with that
spelling, are named after him.

Terry Reigel

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Ed Mann wrote:
> 9 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #:
F106:11
> *2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
> +Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar

1365/66 >d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9


According to research by another member of my wife's family, she is
descended from Elizabeth FitzAlan according to the following line:

1. Elizabeth FitzAlan
+ Robert Goushill b. 1350 d. 2 Jul 1404
2. Joan Goushill d. Aft. Feb 1458/59
+ Thomas Stanley b. Abt. 1405 d. 11 Feb 1458/59
3. Katherine Stanley b. Abt. 1430 d. 1498
+ John Savage b. Abt. 1422 d. 22 Nov 1495
4. Christopher Savage d. 1513
+ Anne Stanley
5. Thomas Savage
6.Christopher Savage d. 1546
+ Anne Lygon
7. Francis Savage b. Abt. 1528
+ Anne Sheddon Sheldon b. Abt. 1523
8. Anthony Daston Savage b. 1556
+ Elizabeth Hall b. Abt. 1580
9. Anthony Savage b. 1605 d. 1695
+ Alice Stafford b.1610
10. Alice Stafford Savage b. Abt. 1653
+ Francis Thornton b. 5 Nov 1651 d.1726

Is Robert Goushill the 3rd or 4th husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan mentioned,
but not named, elsewhere in Ed's messages?

Can anyone speak to the authenticity of this line, or provide corrections?
If any of this is accepted as correct, can anyone supply better date
information?

Terry Reigel

ED MANN

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Terry Reigel wrote:

<edited>

> Ed Mann wrote:
> > 9 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #:
> F106:11
> > *2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
> > +Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar
> 1365/66 >d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

> Is Robert Goushill the 3rd or 4th husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan mentioned,


> but not named, elsewhere in Ed's messages?

I have the order as follows:

Descendants of Elizabeth FitzAlan

1 [1] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
+William de Montacute d: 6 Aug 1382 ref #: (see notes)
*2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth FitzAlan:

+Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar 1365/66 d: 22
Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9

*3rd Husband of [1] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Sir Robert Goushill d: 21 Jul 1403 ref #: (Ä57-36)
*4th Husband of [1] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Gerard Ufflete d: Abt. 1421

> Can anyone speak to the authenticity of this line, or provide corrections?
> If any of this is accepted as correct, can anyone supply better date
> information?

Here's what I have on this:

Direct Descendants of Elizabeth FitzAlan

1 [1] Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*3rd Husband of [1] Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Sir Robert Goushill d: 21 Jul 1403 ref #: (Ä57-36)
2 Joan Goushill aka: Jean Goushill b: Abt. 1401 d: Aft. 1459 ref #:
F107:10
+Sir Thomas Stanley aka: 1st Baron Stanley of Lathom b: Abt. 1405
d: 20 Feb 1458/59 ref #: W103-10
3 Katherine Stanley ref #: F289:6
+Sir John Savage b: Abt. 1422 d: 22 Nov 1495 ref #: Ä233A-37
4 Christopher Savage d: 1513 ref #: F290:5
+Anne Stanley ref #: (Ä57-38)
5 Christopher Savage d: 1546 ref #: F290:4
+Anne Lygon ref #: (Ä57-39)
6 Francis Savage ref #: F290:4i
+Anne Sheldon
7 Anthony Savage ref #: AAP:184
+Elizabeth Hall ref #: AAP:184
8 Ralph Savage b: Abt. 1588 d: Aft. 1623 ref #: AAP4:108
9 Anthony Savage aka: (unproven identification) b: Bef. 19 Jun 1623
d: Bef. 5 Jun 1695 ref #: AAP4:54
+Sarah Constable b: 16 Mar 1616/17 ref #: AAP4:55
10 Alice Savage d: Bef. 1701 ref #: AAP4:27

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].

Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,

William Addams Reitwiesner

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tre...@compuserve.com (Terry Reigel) wrote:

>Ed Mann wrote:
>> 9 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #:
>F106:11
>> *2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
>> +Sir Thomas de Mowbray aka: 6th Lord Mowbray b: 22 Mar
>1365/66 >d: 22 Sep 1399 ref #: F197:9
>
>

>According to research by another member of my wife's family, she is
>descended from Elizabeth FitzAlan according to the following line:
>
>1. Elizabeth FitzAlan
> + Robert Goushill b. 1350 d. 2 Jul 1404
>2. Joan Goushill d. Aft. Feb 1458/59
> + Thomas Stanley b. Abt. 1405 d. 11 Feb 1458/59
>3. Katherine Stanley b. Abt. 1430 d. 1498
> + John Savage b. Abt. 1422 d. 22 Nov 1495
>4. Christopher Savage d. 1513
> + Anne Stanley
>5. Thomas Savage
>6.Christopher Savage d. 1546
> + Anne Lygon
>7. Francis Savage b. Abt. 1528
> + Anne Sheddon Sheldon b. Abt. 1523
>8. Anthony Daston Savage b. 1556
> + Elizabeth Hall b. Abt. 1580
>9. Anthony Savage b. 1605 d. 1695
> + Alice Stafford b.1610
>10. Alice Stafford Savage b. Abt. 1653
> + Francis Thornton b. 5 Nov 1651 d.1726
>

>Is Robert Goushill the 3rd or 4th husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan mentioned,
>but not named, elsewhere in Ed's messages?

Third husband.


>Can anyone speak to the authenticity of this line, or provide corrections?
>If any of this is accepted as correct, can anyone supply better date
>information?

The descent appears in somewhat different form in Gary Boyd Roberts, *The
Royal Descent of 500 Immigrants* [Baltimore: Genealogical, 1993], p. 253.
Unfortunately the primary source cited there is "Ongoing Savage research by
Brice M. Clagett and Neil D. Thompson", which, as far as I'm aware, hasn't
yet been published. Watch that space, I guess.

Terry Reigel

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Ed -

Thanks for the helpful info on the Descendants of Elizabeth FitzAlan.


Terry Reigel

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