Ancestry of Philip de Clanvowe
rbodi...@aol.com
questions about the Clanvowe lineage. After responding, he suggested I
post my response to SGM as this information has not been previously
posted. And so I will. Perhaps it will be of some interest to those
who can claim Philip de Clanvowe as an ancestor.
A contemporary account of the ancestry of Philip de Clanvowe can be
found in the Calendar of Inquisitions Miscellaneous II, p. 404,
Inquisition no. 1643. The entry reads as follows:
1643. Commission to Peter de Grauntsoun, Richard de Penebrugge, Adam
Lucas, and John de Mershton. Witness: - Edward, duke of Cornwall and
earl of Chester, guardian of England. Berkhampstede. 10 May 13 Edward
III. [1339.] By the council.
Inquisition before the said Adam and John in the presence of Jewan
ap Res, supplying the place of Hugh Tyrel, keeper of the manor of
Radenore. Webbeleye. Thursday before St. Barnabas.
Philip de Clanvowe and his ancestors have been reeves in fee of
the land of Glaudestre, an appurtenance of the manor of Radenore,
receiving yearly from that manor 7 ells of cloth worth 5 marks a cloth,
which the said Philip had from Margaret de Mortuo Mari in her time;
Philip ap Howel, his uncle, whose heir he is, had the same from Edmund
de Mortuo Mari in his time and from Maud his mother in her time; Howel
ap Meurik, father of the said Philip ap Howel and grandfather of the
said Philip de Clanvowe, whose heir he is , had the same from the said
Maud in her time; Meuric ap Phelip, father of the said Howel, had the
same from William de Breosa in his time; and so the said Philip de
Clanvowe and his ancestors had the same from time beyond memory until
the manor came to the king's hand by the death of Margaret de Mortuo
Mari by reasonof the minority of Roger son and heir of Edmund de Mortuo
Mari; the cloth is in arrear for the whole time of Hugh Tyrel as keeper
of the manor. C. Inq. Misc. File 137. (13.)
The foregoing relates the direct line as
Meuric ap Phelip
Howel ap Meurik
Philip ap Howel
[unnamed]
Philip de Clanvowe
The Margaret de Mortui Mori (Mortimer) is the widow of Edmund de
Mortimer (died 1304) called Edmund de Mortui Mori son of Matilda de
Mortui, who was Maud (died 1301), daughter of William de Braose (i.e.
Breosa) who married Roger de Mortimer. See Sanders, English Baronies,
p. 21.
The ancestry of Meuric ap Philip is cited in at least three references.
The first is in the Visitation of Gloucestershire in 1623, p. 130, in
the pedigree of Poyntz, wherein the generations are given as:
Rheses Michell
Resius Vichan
Phillippus fil. Resi Junior
Meuricus fil. Rhese filij Philippi
The second source is Sir Joseph Bradney's A History of Monmouthshire,
vol. 4, p. 243, wherein he writes:
Rhys Gryg, died 1233.
Rhys Fychan
Philip ap Rhys Fychan
Rhys ap Philip
Meurig ap Rhys
The third is in Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies under the pedigree of
Rhys ap Tewdr 26:
Rhys Mechyll
Philip ap Rhys Mechyll
Rhys ap Philip
Meurig ap Rhys
The problem with the foreging accounts is that there are too many
generations. This becomes apparent when dates are assigned to the
named persons:
Rhys Gryyg, died 1234, married Joan de Clare.
Rhys Mechyll, died 1244, married Matilda de Braose.
Rhys Fychan, died 1271, married Gwladus ferch Gruffydd ap Llewelyn
Philip ap Rhys
Mauric ap Philip, living 1241
Hywel ap Meuric, died 1282
William ap Hywel, living 1282
Philip de Clanvowe, first recorded 1322, living 1349.
There is much information on Philip de Clanvowe and his family in The
Principality of Wales in the Later Middle Ages: The Structure and
Personnel of Government, Vol. I, South Wales, 1277-1536 (Cardiff:
University of Wales Press, 1972), by Ralph A. Griffiths. The author,
in p. 103, states that Philip de Clanvowe was the son of William ap
Hywel and is first mentioned on 25 March 1322 when his Herefordshire
estates were restored to him following the execution of the earl of
Lancaster. He was yet living in 1349.
For my own reference I had drawn up the following account some years
ago. The bibliographic citations are AR7: Ancestral Roots, 7th
Edition; BBCS: Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies; CCR: Calendar
of Close Rolls; FP: Family of Poyntz (1886); HMO: History of
Monmouthshire (1828-32); PWLMA: The Principality of Wales in the Later
Middle Ages (1972); RMP: Returns of the Members of Parliament (1878);
VGL: Visitation of Gloucestershire; WG: Welsh Genealogies (1980).
ARMS: Quarterly gules and or, a bend argent. Recorded in the
quartered arms of Poyntz in the Visitation of Gloucestershire in 1623
(Harleian Society, vol. 21, p. 130).
LINE 1:
1. PHILIP (ap RHYS?). Said to be both son of Rhys ap Fychan, died
1271, and Rhys ap Mechyll (died 1244), Lord of Dinefwr, father of the
latter, being of the royal line of Deheubarth, but both claims seem
questionable. (HMO, 4: 243; VGL: 130; WG: 801)
Married- N.N.
2. MEURIC ap PHILIP. Witnessed three charters in 1241. (BBCS, 28:
269; FP: 231; VGL: 130. But Meurig ap Rhys per WG: 801.)
Married- N.N.
3. HYWEL ap MEURIG, of Gladestry, Radnorshire, Wales. Died 1282,
leaving a will whose executors were his sons, William and Philip.
(BBCS, 28: 268; PWLMA, 1: 97; WG: 801)
Married- N.N. Died 1298. (BBCS, 28: 269)
4a. WILLIAM ap HYWEL. Line 1, no. 4a, next.
4b. RHYS ap HYWEL. Line 2, no. 4.
4a. WILLIAM ap HYWEL. Living 1282, when he and his brother Philip ap
Hywel were executors of the will of their father. (BBCS, 28: 270;
PWLMA, 1: 103)
Married- N.N.
5. PHILIP de CLANVOWE, of Michaelchurch-on-Arrow, Radnorshire, Wales.
Living 1349. First recorded on 27 Mar 1322, when the keeper of the
castles of Huntington and La Hay (Hay-on-Wye) in Herefordshire, near
the border of Wales, is ordered to restore his lands and properties
there. Deputy Justiciar of South Wales to Sir Gilbert Talbot, 1332,
1334-47, and 1346-49. Knight of the Shire for Hereford, 1322, 1339,
and 1340. (AR7: 84; BLG18, 1: 580; CCR, 1318-23: 430, 433; FP: 52, 94;
HP/1386, 2: 576; PWLMA, 1: 103; RMP; WG: 801)
Married- PHILIPPA TALBOT or .......... BREDWARDEN. (AR7: 84,
indicates the wife of Philip was Philippa, perhaps a daughter of Sir
Gilbert Talbot, 1st Baron Talbot, and WG: 801, that she was a daughter
of Sir Walter Bredwarden. Sir Philip may have been married twice, in
which case it would not be possible to say with certainty who the
mother of his daughter Elizabeth was.)
6. ELIZABETH de CLANVOWE. Living 1359, she predeceased her husband.
Married before 1343- Sir JOHN POYNTZ (died 1376), of Iron Acton,
Gloucestershire.
LINE 2:
3. HYWEL ap MEURIG. See Line 1, no. 3. (BBCS, 28: 268)
Married- N.N.
4b. RHYS ap HYWEL, of Talgarth and Cantrefselyf, Wales. Died 11
Apr/22 May 1328. By Oct 1305, a clerk (cleric, priest) in the service
of Prince Edward (later Edward I); Deputy-justiciar of Wales, 1312-13;
organized the defence of South Wales in the face of a threatened Irish
invasion in 1315. Imprisoned in Dover Castle by Mar 1322 and
languishing in the Tower of London in 1326, but soon released.
Justiciar of South Wales from Nov 1326. (BBCS, 28: 267, 270; PWLMA, 1:
97-98)
Married- N.N.
5. ELIZABETH ferch RHYS. Her children became the heirs of her
father's estates in Wales following the deaths of her five brothers
without issue. (BBCS, 28: 278)
Married- Sir RALPH BLUET (died 1361), of Daglingworth,
Gloucestershire.