Napoleon III WAS NOT nephew of Napoleon I

[Paulo Canedo]

Dear followers of the newsgroup, while this is post medieval and OT I think it is genealogically interesting. Recent Y DNA tests have been made by Professor Lucotte in patrilineal descendants of Napoleon I's brother Jerome and of his illegitimate Alexandre Collona-Walewski and more importantly in Napoleon I's beard. The tests show Napoleon I's Y DNA haplogroup is E-M34. However Y DNA tests were also made in Napoleon III's hair and in Jean-Marc Banquent d'Orx a patrilineal descendant of Napoleon III's illegitimate son the Count D'Orx. The tests showed I2. Of course this shows that the Napoleons were not patrilineally related. The most likely scenario is that Napoleon III WAS NOT son of Louis Bonaparte. Wikipedia in Napoleon III's page mentions that Napoleon III's enemies like Victor Hugo always said that he was illegitimate and not son of Louis. See the study in http://www.ijsciences.com/pub/pdf/V220130935.pdf and a brief discussion in http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29432-Napoleon-III-was-not-related-by-blood-to-Napoleon-I-and-may-be-Talleyrand-s-grandsonn. Comments are welcome.

[joe...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-4, Paulo Canedo wrote:
> Dear followers of the newsgroup, while this is post medieval and OT I think it is genealogically interesting.

Please see alt.genealogy for interesting genealogical posts that are not medieval.

Thanks!

[taf]

On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 4:38:05 PM UTC-7, Paulo Canedo wrote:
> Recent Y DNA tests have been made by Professor Lucotte in patrilineal
> descendants of Napoleon I's brother Jerome and of his illegitimate
> Alexandre Collona-Walewski and more importantly in Napoleon I's beard.
> The tests show Napoleon I's Y DNA haplogroup is E-M34.
> However Y DNA tests were also made in Napoleon III's hair and in
>Jean-Marc Banquent d'Orx a patrilineal descendant of Napoleon III's
> illegitimate son the Count D'Orx. The tests showed I2.
> Of course this shows that the Napoleons were not patrilineally related.

No, it doesn't. It shows that Jean-Marc d'Orx is not patrilineally related to Napoleon I. The only way to show the two Napoleons were not is to test the two Napoleons themselves.

> See the study in http://www.ijsciences.com/pub/pdf/V220130935.pdf

Which says absolutely nothing about Napoleon III or Jean-Marc d'Orc - something you might have been more clear.

Let me add that this is a very obscure journal with an eclectic focus - a polite way of saying no focus at all). It is not indexed by PubMed, and you have to go pretty far down the quality scale for them not to include you. (I published one DNA paper in a non-PubMed-indexed journal, and I can tell you why: because we thought it wasn't good enough to go anywhere better.) Further, the journal has a banner at the top that calls the study a Review Article, which is a blatantly inaccuracy. It could be an error by the publishing editor, it could be a quirk of their format (in the same way that most papers in the premier journal Nature are called 'Letters'), but it could mean it didn't get reviewed properly. This all gives me pause. I am not familiar enough with the journal to go so far as to say it is a publication mill (the kind in which as long as you pay the publication fee you can publish an entire paper that is nothing but the same obscene two-word phrase over and over again - not a hypothetical, someone actually did this just to expose the complete lack of integrity in the review process of a journal, and sure enough, they published it without ever reading the content) but looking at its editorial board, it's not entirely clear that they are going to have the expertise to appropriately critique the science in this paper (though that is not damning if they have an adequate pool of reviewers with appropriate expertise). The study is a bit on the esoteric side, so maybe this is as good a place as the authors could find for it.

> and a brief discussion in http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29432-Napoleon-III-was-not-related-by-blood-to-Napoleon-I-and-may-be-Talleyrand-s-grandsonn.

Never trust science that only appears in a discussion forum. Here we have some random person saying the study was done and what the results were, but I see no reason to take their word for it.

taf

[Paulo Canedo]

The link Eupedia provided about Napoleon III's DNA: http://www.empereurperdu.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=5135. Also they did tests the Napoleons directly. Napoleon I's beard and Napoleon III's hair.