Sir Thomas Molyneux(d.1596)

[José Verheecke]

Hi All
I'm wondering about the parents of
Sir Thomas Molyneux(d.13-1-1596) who
married Catherine SALABOERTE(or STABAERT?)
Paget doesn't give them.
Acoording to one database in Rootsweb,he's the son
of Thomas(d. abt 1543) x Cecilia OSBALDESTON.
Is that correct?
Let me add that I don't trust 99% of the things I
find in Rootsweb...
:-)

Any hint will be appreciated

--
José Verheecke
jose.ve...@pandora.be
http://home.planetinternet.be/~jos81/

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Jose,

The Dictionary of National Biography (Oxford University Press) is of no
assitance either.

He is called Sir Thomas Molyneux or Molinel
In 1531 he was born in Calais. His parents, of whom he was the only child,
died while he was young, and he was brought up by John Brishin, an alderman
of Calais. When that town was taken from the English by the Duke of Guise in
1558, Molyneux was made prisoner. Having ransomed himself by payment of five
hundred crowns, he removed to Bruges, and there married Catherine Stabeort,
daughter of an opulent burgomaster. On account of Alva's persecutions
Molyneux removed to London in 1568, and in 1576 settled in Dublin.
He died in Dublin 24 January 1596/7 He left two sons and two daughters.

There is more about him, quite interesting actually.
Pity there is no more.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

[Sutliff]

This Sir Thomas Molyneux is founder of the Molyneux family of Ireland,
particularly the Castle Dillon branch. I have never found anything even in
the Irish records which suggest his parentage. His father-in-law was
reputedly Ludovic Salaboerte, Governor of Bruges. His elder son Daniel was
Ulster King of Arms and married Jane Ussher of Donnybrook, Dublin, daughter
of Sir William Ussher and Isabella Loftus. Isabella Loftus was daughter of
Adam Loftus (1533-1605), Archbishop of Dublin.

Daniel was father of 5 sons and 3 daughters, including Thomas Molyneux
(Governor of Wicklow), Samuel (Chief Engineer of Ireland) and Adam (Member
of Parliament). Samuel (1616-1693) was father (by his wife Margaret Dowdall
of Mount Town, Meath) of Thomas Molyneux (1661-1733), first Baron of Castle
Dillon.

You will find some internet sources which attempt to make the first Thomas a
son of a younger son of the Molyneux family of Sefton in Lancashire, but I
have never seen any credible documentation.

Henry Sutliff

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[John Higgins]

FWIW (not much, actually) the Irish Molyneux family is treated in an
appendix to "A Genealogical History of the Family of Brabazon", written by
Hercules Sharpe and printed for private distribution in 1825. The author
says "There is no doubt that the Irish Molyneuxs sprang from the truly
ancient English family of that name seated in Lancashire from the earliest
ages. .... The Irish Family of Molyneux separated from those of England at
an early period; for it seems that they transplanted themselves to Calais as
early as the reign of Edward III, when the town was held by the English, and
continued there above two centuries, till the English lost it in the reign
of Queen Mary."

Unfortumately he provides no support for these assertions and specifically
no parentage for Sir Thomas Molyneux, Chancellor of the irish Exchequer,
except to mention that Sir Thomas was an only child and an orphan. I guess
his ancestry will remain a mystery to us...

John Higgins
jthi...@surfree.com

"Who begot whom is a most amusing kind of hunting" - Horace Walpole

[K McGee]

Do any of you know if one of those Molyneux being discussed on the list,
had descendants settling in the U. S. before 1737?
Regards,
K McGee

At 01:25 PM 8/25/2003 -0700, John Higgins wrote:
>FWIW (not much, actually) the Irish Molyneux family is treated in an
>appendix to "A Genealogical History of the Family of Brabazon", written by
>Hercules Sharpe and printed for private distribution in 1825. The author
>says "There is no doubt that the Irish Molyneuxs sprang from the truly

>ancient English family of that name <snip>
>John Higgins
>jthi...@surfree.com
<snip>

[Leo van de Pas]

Since Jose Verheecke's request I have looked into his descendants and have
added a few to my data base. I doubt (how can I be sure ?) that he had
descendants who went to the USA before 1737. What has been known for a long
time, is that he is an ancestor of the late Queen Mother, but he is also an
ancestor of quite a few British Dukes, Lady Diana Spencer, author Lady
Antonia Fraser and son.

Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

Canberra, Australia