The Counts of Teano, and the ancestry of Sigelgaita
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Hello All,
As recently as 2003, an AT for Sigelgaita of Salerno (2nd wife
of Robert Guiscard) indicated her descent from the princes of
Teano, giving her mother as Gemma, daughter of Pandulf, Count of
Teano, Prince of Capua [1]. To date, I had not noted any problem
with the identification of the mother of Sigelgaita, but also had
not seen any further information concerning her maternal descent.
I noted recently a fine article by Nicola Mancini which dealt
in part with the counts of Teano [2]. In particular, the following
text of a charter (and the genealogical chart at the end would
appear to fill in part of the gap. The charter, dated 1049 by
Mancini, places Landolf, count of Teano and his brother Pandolf
(father of Landolf, count of Teano and evidently father of Gemma)
as sons of Pandolf III, prince of Capua (d. 1014), already known
as a great-grandfather of Sigelgaita.
In nomine Domini nostri Iesu Christi Dei eterni anno tricesimo principatus
domni Paldolfi, et tercio anno principatus domni Landolfi, eius filii, gloriosi
principibus, mense Iulio,secunda indiccione.
Dum me Landolfus, comes Teanensi, et filius bonae memoriae domni Paldolfi
principi, orbatus patrem et fratres... Ecclesia S. Iohannis, quae at Clusa
dicitur,quae nostra rebus est propria pro redempcione animae nostrae et iam dicti
genitoris fratrumque nostrorum congregacio monachorum et monasterio fecimus.....
Ideoque iamphatus Landolfus ..... atque Paldulfus et Landolfus, Comitibus et
filii qdd bonae recordacionis Domni Paldulfi comitis, filii supradicti domini
Paldulfi principis, declaramus nos habere iam dicta ecclesia S.Iohannis
Baptistae in ipsa predicta Curte nostra quae dicitur Clusa, propinquo flubio qui
dicitur Vulturnus, et in ipsa ecclesia S. Iohannis, dei nutu et inspiracione,
monasterium fecimus .... ut semper congregacio monacorum ibi permaneat....
Per hoc scriptum firmamus ut in ipsa iam dicta ecclesia et a nobis
monasterium factum, iudicatum et offertum sit firmiter duabus pecie de terris nostrae,
quem habemus infra ipsa iam dicta Curte de Clusa in eadem ordine et tenore ut
supra legitur.
Prima ex ipse pecie de terra est ad ipsa Petrosa,ubi dicitur ad fontana habet
has fines: unu latere monte habet, inde passi quadringenti sexaginta, unu
capu de ipsa Petrosa, habet inde passi sexaginta quattuor, alio capu Castaneto de
Fontana habet inde passi centum.
Secunda vero pecia de terra ub dicitur ad Spornasina, unu latu flubiu
mortuum, qui decernit inter haec terram et terra nostra quae dicitur ad ipse limate,
ubi dicitur ad pede de monte, quem in nostra reserbavimus potestatem; deinde
discendente in flumen qui vocatur Vulturnum. Secunda vero fine quomodo
descendit iam supra dictum flumen et ubi se coniungit cum ipsa Silva quae dicitur
plana. Tercio vero finis iam dicta Silva et ubi se coniungit in priores fines, et
insimul ibidem firmamus beneficia quae ubique de terra, quae antea fuerant
beneficium de ipsa ecclesia et una presa in ipsu castellu per longum passus octo
et per trabersu passi sex, et haec omnia mensuratum sit ad passum Landoni
Seniori castaldei, et unum Sedium de molinu in ipsu ribiu cum formali et clausuria
et cursus aquarum et concedimus ibidem dua presa in ipsu flumine ubi faciat
clausuria pro piscis cependum ....
.... seu ego Blacta, quae sum monachile abitum induta, quae fui Principissa
et relicta quoddam Iohannis principi, filia supradicti Domni Paldulfi
principis. Quam et ego Urania Comitissa, filia Iohanni Comiti, et uxor videlicet
supradicti Landolfi Comiti, nec non ego Anna Comitissa, filia Sergi, et relicta
quoddam Paldulfi Comiti, sicut nobis qui supra mulieribus congruum est pro
salvacione animae nostrae, consenciente mihi quae supra Blacte Monache, praedictus
Landulfus Comes, cognato meo, et suprascripti Paldulfus et Landulfus comitibus,
nepotibus meis .. et mihi quae supra Annae Comitissae, consenciente
subscriptus Paldulfus et Landulfus, filii et mundualdi mei.
Actu Teanense.Ego Roffrida iudex.Ego Petrus. [3]
The chart given by Mancini (at least partially flawed I
believe, as Blacta/Blatta was the daughter of Pandolf according to
the charter) at the end of the article is as follows:
PANDOLFO VI, prima conte di Teano
e poi principe di Capua
I
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I I I
GIOVANNI, PANDOLFO LANDOLFO
principe di Capua conte di Teano conte di Teano
e BLATTA ed ANNA ed URANIA
I
I
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I I
PALDOLFO, LANDOLFO,
conte di Teano conte di Teano
The relationship given for Guaimar IV of Salerno and his wife
Gemma (if indeed she was the daughter of "Paldolfo, conte di Teano"
in the above chart) would obviously require a dispensation given
the consanguinity, but it appears this was rarely a problem (either
in terms of eventual acquisition, or actual adherence) for the
Lombard princes in this era.
Any comment, criticism or observations re: the above are
certainly welcome.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] Todd A. Farmerie, <Ancestry table of Constance of Castile,
wife of King Louis VII of France>, SGM, 1 February 2003.
[2] Nicola Mancini, La chiesa di S. Giovanni a Clusa, Annuario
1998 dell’ Associazione Storica del Medio Volturno, p. 213.
Available online at
http://spazioinwind.libero.it/mgiugliano/La_chiesa_S_Giovanni_Clusa.htm
[3] Ibid. Citation for charter: (Gattola, Hist. I, 43)
Peter Stewart
Guaimar IV of Salerno by his only known wife Gemma, whose father was a Count
Laidolf [see Huguette Taviani-Carozzi, _La principauté lombarde de Salerne
(IXe-XIe siècle): Pouvoir et société en Italie lombarde méridionale_, 2
vols, Collection de l'École française de Rome 152 (Rome, 1991) I: 457-8 note
29]..
Another Gemma, daughter of Pandolf V of Teano, prince of Capua, married
Guaimar IV's brother Guido, duke of Sorrento & gastald of Conza.
Peter Stewart
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John P. Ravilious
Thanks for that; a shame, actually.
One would assume that Guaimar (elder brother & all) would marry a
lady as high-born, or more so, as that of his brother Guido. I take it
there is no evidence in hand as to this Count Laidolf's identification?
Cheers,
John
Peter Stewart wrote:
> The premise is mistaken - Robert Guiscard's wife Sikelgaita was daughter of
> Guaimar IV of Salerno by his only known wife Gemma, whose father was a Count
> Laidolf [see Huguette Taviani-Carozzi, _La principauté lombarde de Salerne
> (IXe-XIe siècle): Pouvoir et société en Italie lombarde méridionale_, 2
> vols, Collection de l'École française de Rome 152 (Rome, 1991) I: 457-8 note
> 29]..
>
> Another Gemma, daughter of Pandolf V of Teano, prince of Capua, married
> Guaimar IV's brother Guido, duke of Sorrento & gastald of Conza.
>
> Peter Stewart
>
>
> <The...@aol.com> wrote in message news:7a.7b5d57c...@aol.com...
> > Saturday, 10 September, 2005
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > As recently as 2003, an AT for Sigelgaita of Salerno (2nd wife
> > of Robert Guiscard) indicated her descent from the princes of
> > Teano, giving her mother as Gemma, daughter of Pandulf, Count of
> > Teano, Prince of Capua [1]. To date, I had not noted any problem
> > with the identification of the mother of Sigelgaita, but also had
> > not seen any further information concerning her maternal descent.
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Peter Stewart
news:1126408859.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Peter,
>
> Thanks for that; a shame, actually.
>
> One would assume that Guaimar (elder brother & all) would marry a
> lady as high-born, or more so, as that of his brother Guido. I take it
> there is no evidence in hand as to this Count Laidolf's identification?
I think he was gastald of Marsico, but this is only from memory.
As to rank of birth, I'm not sure that there is any clear reason to compare
one Gemma unfavourably to the other. What indication/s are you going by?
Peter Stewart