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[Patricia Junkin]

Robert Vipont, chevalier, married ca. 1320 Margaret, Heiress of Hucumanby &
Midelsceugh with rights in Lamonby. The birth of Margaret would be ca.
1300. Their son, Nicholas b. ca. 1320 married Elena Daubeney d/o Robert,
heir of Gregory de Burdon. The IPM of Robert Vipont in 1371 states he held
Jonby of John de Kirketon, heir of Gregory Burdon. The John de Kyrkton who
d. 1365-67 was the son of Robert Kyrketon and Beatrice Driby. 1343, John de
Kirketon to settle the castle of Tattershall and the manors of Tattershall
and Tumby, with the knights' fees and advowsons thereto pertaining, on
himself and Isabel his wife, etc.

In my attempts to identify Margaret, I have found the following.
Circa 1080, Hunmanby Manor was given to Gilbert de Gant. It appears that a
great great grandaughter, Isabel FitzWalter married Hugh de Tateshal. The
1304 IPM of Robert de Thatessal [Tatteshall] indicates he held Hucmandby.
In 1323 Joan de Driby to grant the third part of two-thirds of the manor of
Hunmanby, and her reversion in the third part of the third part now held in
dower by Joan, late the wife of Robert de Tateshale.

in 1315, John de Penreth to grant land in Lamonby, Mosywra, Langhirst, and
Whitby in Middlesceugh to a chaplain in the chapel of Lamonby, retaining a
messuage and land in Seliwra, and land in Lamonby. Cumb. 8 EDWARD II. And,
in 1328 , John de Penrith to settle the manor of Lamonby and land in Seliwra
and Middlesceugh on himself, Margaret his wife, and his heirs. Cumb. 11
EDWARD II.

I have yet to find what part Penreth held, nevertheless, could anyone
suggest the connection of Penreth and Tattershall? Any observations would be
greatly appreciated.
Pat

[al...@mindspring.com]

I believe Margaret was Margaret Ros daughter of James Ros and Maud de
Bernacke.
Maud de Bernacke was the granddaughter of Robert de Driby and Joan de
Tattershall.

see

Knights of Edward I, ed. Rev, C Moor, The Harleian Society, (1929),
Vol. IV, pps 140-141.
Paul Reed, post to SGM dated 2002-5-15, Re: Roos on Ingmanthorpe, York.
Nichols, Hist. & Antiq. of Leicestershire 2(1) (1795): Appendix, pp.
23, 37.

Doug Smith

[Douglas Richardson royalancestry@msn.com]

Dear Doug ~

If you check the newsgroup archives, you'll find that I previously
identified the maiden name and parentage of Maud de Bernake, wife of
Sir James de Roos, of Gedney, Lincolnshire for Patricia Junkin. I've
copied my post below for easy reference. Maud's identity was
discovered while I was doing research for my forthcoming book, Magna
Carta Ancestry.

I believe you can find a reference to the 1323 land grant of Joan (de
Tateshall) de Driby to her granddaughter, Maud (de Bernake) de Roos, in
the book, Inquisitions ad Quod Damnum. Good luck in your sleuthing!

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

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COPY OF EARLIER POST
Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire

Douglas Richardson royala...@msn.com Feb 16, 10:33 am
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 16 Feb 2005 07:33:43 -0800
Local: Wed,Feb 16 2005 10:33 am
Subject: Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire

Dear Patricia ~

Thank you for your good post.

You have correctly observed that Joan (de Tateshall) de Driby settled
lands in 1323 on James de Roos, and his wife, Maud, and the heirs of
their bodies, with reversion to the heirs of Maud. Since this property
in Hunmanby, Yorkshire was part of Joan's inheritance, and since the
remainder was set to go to the heirs of Maud, this is all a good
indication that Maud was near related to Joan de Driby. Also, this
settlement appears to have taken place about the time of Maud's
marriage. As such, this settlement was almost certainly intended to
serve as Maud's maritagium.

As it turns out, Maud de Roos was Joan's own granddaughter, being the
child of William de Bernake, by his wife, Alice, daughter of Robert de
Driby and Joan de Tateshale.

Evidence of Maud de Roos' maiden name can be found in the records of
Belvoir Priory which shows that anniversary of Maud Bernak, widow of
Sir James de Ros, was kept at Belvoir Priory 24 October [Reference:

Nichols, Hist. & Antiq. of Leicestershire 2(1) (1795): Appendix, pp.

23, 37].

Further information on the Roos family of Gedney, Lincolnshire will be
found in my forthcoming book, Magna Carta Ancestry, scheduled for
publication in June 2005. Please contact me offline for details
regarding ordering the book.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

[al...@mindspring.com]

Yes Douglas,

I read your earlier informative post. The only point of mine was to
suggest that the Margaret who married Nicholas Vipont was apparently
Margaret Roos (if she was heiress of Hunmanby), daughter of James de
Roos and Maud Bernacke, therefore granddaughter of William Bernacke and
Alice de Driby and thus great-granddaughter of Robert de Driby and Joan
de Tattershall (Tateshall).

Doug

[Patricia Junkin]

Dear Douglas and Doug,

Thank you very much for both responses.

To clarify, it was Robert Vipont who married Margaret:
IPM Margaret, late wife of Robert de Vepund, knight.
Writ. 25 October, 32 E III [1359]
Cumberland. Inq. taken at Penereht, 15 January 32 E III.
Lammanby. Two parts of the manor held of the king in chief by homage and
fealty and by service of rendering 6s. 8d. yearly at the exchequer of
Carlisle for cornage by the hands of the sheriff.
Midelscogh. An encroachment called ³Sebwra² held of the king in chief by
fealty and service of 64s. 6d. at the exchequer of Carlisle by the hands of
the sheriff.

A History of Northumberland.. Pt. 2, Vol. 3, p. 27 states she was heiress
of Hucumanby & Midelscough, late wife of Sir Robert de Veteriponte; inquest
respecting her right in Lamonby &c. in the parish of Skelton, Cumberland in
1359. Based on the following, it appears she may have been a daughter of
John and Margaret Penreth. In 1315 John de Penreth to grant land in Lamonby,

Mosywra, Langhirst, and Whitby in Middlesceugh to a chaplain in the chapel
of Lamonby, retaining a messuage and land in Seliwra, and land in Lamonby.

Cumb. 8 EDWARD II. However, it does not explain Margaret's association with
Hunmandby.

As posted, 1323 Joan de Driby "to grant the third part of two-thirds of the

manor of Hunmanby, and her reversion in the third part of the third part now

held in dower by Joan, late the wife of Robert de Tateshale, to James de
Ros, Maud [Bernak] his wife, and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder
to the heirs of Maud, retaining the castle of Tattershall (Lincoln) and the
manor of Buckenham (Norfolk). Lincoln. Norfolk. 16 EDWARD II "

Thank you, Douglas for clarifying the wife of James de Ros. May I ask what
relationship was he to William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe?

Joan's daughter, Alice married William Bernack and was the heir to her
brother John, who was age 40 in 1329 [b. 1289]. Joan Tattershall left the
third part of the manor of Wymondham, and the eighth part of the manor of
Buckenham, with the advowsons of the church of Tattershall and Kirkstead
abbey, on herself for life, with remainder as to the messuages, land, and
rent in New Buckenham, Old Buckenham, Attleborough, and Ellingham, the third
part of the manor of Wymondham and the eighth part of the manor of Buckenham
to William de Bernak, Alice his wife, and the heirs of their bodies" but I
see no reference to Hucumanby.

There were several Chancery suits between William and Alice Bernak's
daughter Maud and her husband, Ralph de Cromwell and John de Kirketon who
held interest in Tattershall. The findings seem to be that Maud had a better
claim to the inheritance than John de Kirketon. Kirketon's IPM reflects "
The castle and manor with the appurtenances in Tateshale, Thorp by
Tateshale, Parva Stretton, Marton by Thornton ad Boston, held for life by
demise of Thomas de Wyke, clerk, Thomas de Kirkeby, parson of the church of
Tateshale, Henry Asty, John de Wyke and William Stel, to whom Ralph de
Cromwell and Maud his wife had demised them with the king's licence for the
term of John de Kirketon's life, with reversion to Ralph and Maud and
Maud's heirs. "

As late as 1280, the Gant family had interest in Hunmanby. Extract of
proceedings in Quo Warranto - ref. zDDHU/9/1 - date: 30 Sep 1280 (a) on
claim of Gilbert de Gaunt and Richard Malebyse to whales in the port of
Fyfle (Filey), reserving their heads and tails to the Crown. Gilbert de
Gaunt claims to have had one moiety since the Conquest; and Richard Malebyse
to have had the other of the gift of Walter son of Gislebert (an ancestor of
Gilbert de Gaunt) to Ralph de Nevill (an ancestor of Richard Malebyse) (b)
on claim of Gilbert de Gaunt to have free chase in Swaledale; free warren at
Helawe and wreck of the sea at Hunmanby[Hundemanbie]. In the 1304 IPM of
Robert Tateshale: "); and five carucates in Rythton and Marten held of
Richard Malbys "

Joan was granting "third part of two-thirds of the manor" to James and Maud
Bernak de Ros. In 1343, Isabel late the wife of William de Hestyng the
elder to retain a messuage, land, and rent in Hunmanby settled on her and
the said William for life, with remainder to Peter de Malo Lacu `le quint'
and his heirs, by the said William, who acquired them from William de
Hestyng the younger, who acquired them from Peter de Malo Lacu `le quart. 16
EDWARD III.

I believe it will be important to attempt to find those who held the other
thirds of this manor.

Thank you for additional thoughts.

Pat

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>From: "Douglas Richardson royala...@msn.com" <royala...@msn.com>
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com

>Subject: Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire

>Date: Tue, May 3, 2005, 1:58 PM

[al...@mindspring.com]

"Patricia Junkin" wrote:
> Dear Douglas and Doug,
>
> Thank you very much for both responses.
>

> To clarify, it was Robert Vipont [big snip]

Yes, Robert is correct. I was typing to fast at work. Still not sure
that Margaret was not a Ros (Roos) and that her part of Hunmanby came
from the Bernackes..

Magaret

Possibly daughter of:

Sir James Ros and Maud Bernacke
Sir Robert de Ros and Erneburga
Sir Robert (III) de Ros and Isabel d'Aubigny
Sir William de Ros and Lucia FitzHerbert

[showing patrilineal line]

I believe William of Inglethorpe was a brother of Sir Robert (III).

You are right that tracing out all the parts may be the only way to
solve the puzzle.

Doug Smith

[al...@mindspring.com]

Hi Pat

You are right Margaret would have been born too early to have been a
daughter of James de Ros and Maud Bernacke.

Doug

[al...@mindspring.com]

I'd like to recall that last message. I based it on your statement
that Margaret must have been born around 1300. It is not clear to me
if Nicholas de Vipont was b ca. 1320 or later. As I recall, his
daughter Margaret was born bef 1362 but exactly when is not clear.

I wonder if Margaret de Roos was his wife born say 1325 and Margaret de
Penreth was his mother born say 1295.

Margaret wife of Robert de Vipont was reported holding Lamanby and
Seliwra after his death so it could have been his.

Maybe a possibility. This appears complicated.

Doug

[Patricia Junkin]

Doug,

The dates I have are as follows.
Robert de Veteriponte [1303-13 Jul 1371] m. Margaret Heiress Lamonby &
Middlesceugh [ca. 1300-10 Sep 1359]

Their son,
Nicholas [ca. 1320-1362] m. Elena Daubeney [-1363]

Their children:
Robert[ b.c. 1340-1369-71] s.p.
Elizabeth [c. 1346-aft. 1420] m. Thomas Blencowe
Joan [1349-] m. William Whitlaw

Robert and Margaret also had a son, John whose son John b. 1340 inherited
from his grandmother.

Pat

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>From: al...@mindspring.com
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire
>Date: Tue, May 3, 2005, 7:49 PM

[Patricia Junkin]

Doug,

The dates I have are as follows.
Robert de Veteriponte [1303-13 Jul 1371] m. Margaret Heiress Lamonby &
Middlesceugh [ca. 1300-10 Sep 1359]

Their son,
Nicholas [ca. 1320-1362] m. Elena Daubeney [-1363]

Their children:
Robert[ b.c. 1340-1369-71] s.p.

Elizabeth [c. 1346,aged 24 in 1370.-aft. 1420] m. Thomas Blencowe

Joan [1349-] m. William Whitlaw

Robert and Margaret also had a son, John whose son John b. 1340 inherited
from his grandmother.

A mention of a de Ros connection. In 1344 William de Roos: a bovate of land
held by John Vaporvent [Vipont] by service of one hundred and 1/4 part
knight零 fee.

[al...@mindspring.com]

I believe Nicholas and Elena had another daughter, Margaret b. bef 1362
and married to William de Stapleton of Edenhall, Cumberland - but I do
not have proof of this.

Doug Smith

[Patricia Junkin]

A later Nicholas did have a daughter Margaret who married William de
Stapilton Jr. She was Heiress of Alston Moor, daughter and heir of the last
owner, succeeded as łDomina˛ to Alston Moor. Her mother, Mary, I believe,
married 2) William Stapilton Sr.
C 143/405/1 Mary late the wife of William de Stapelton to have common of
pasture in the forest of Inglewood for herself and the tenants of her manor
of Edenhall. [Cumb.]
10 RICHARD II. [1387]
Pat

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>From: al...@mindspring.com
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire

>Date: Wed, May 4, 2005, 6:59 PM

[al...@mindspring.com]

Thanks Pat!

I may understand this yet.

Doug

"Patricia Junkin" wrote:
> A later Nicholas did have a daughter Margaret who married William de
> Stapilton Jr. She was Heiress of Alston Moor, daughter and heir of
the last

> owner, succeeded as ³Domina² to Alston Moor. Her mother, Mary, I