Cantilupe connection to John De Cantelo
coc...@yahoo.com
I’m wondering if anyone can connect John De Cantelo to the Cantilupe
family.
John de Cantelo of Chilton-Cantelo is an ancestor of Mary Gye, my
immigrant ancestor, through her Stukeley descent. The manor of
Chilton-Cantelo, co. Somerset is said have gotten its name from the
more ancient and well-known family of “De Cantilupe” (aka Cantilo,
Canteloe, Cantelow, etc.). Furthermore, John De Cantelo bore the same
(or close) arms as the earlier Cantilupe family.
So presumably John De Cantelo descends from one of these William De
Cantilupe's
William I De Cantilupe d. 1238
William II De Cantilupe d. 1250/1 m. Millicent de Gournay
William III De Cantilupe d. 1254 m. Eve de Braose
George De Cantilupe (d.s.p., his heirs were his sisters)
His descent to Mary Gye would be:
John De Cantelo (died leaving 2 daughters as co-heiresses)
Emma De Cantelo – Thomas Chasteleyn 2nd daughter
Margaret m. Thomas West
Joan Chasteleyn – John Manyingford
Elizabeth Manyingford – Thomas De Affeton
John De Affeton – Joan Bratton
Katherine De Affeton – Hugh Stukeley
From here down the descent is easily traced in AR7, the Douglas
Richardson books or multiple other sources.
The descent is probably best described here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=80MJAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA122&dq=%22John+de+cantelo%22+of+Chilton+Cantelo&lr=#v=onepage&q=&f=false
This source seems to say William II De Cantilupe had a son Richard who
was ancestor to the Lords LaWare and Stewkley. I have not been able
to find much information on William II having a son Richard.
http://books.google.com/books?id=BpmN-bq2OYgC&pg=PA169&dq=chilton+cantelupe#v=onepage&q=chilton%20cantelupe&f=false
This source just confuses me.
http://books.google.com/books?id=90kJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA176&dq=chilton+canteloe&lr=&as_brr=3#v=onepage&q=chilton%20canteloe&f=false
It seems to go William – Walter – Richard – John - Emma
Anyone able to better document how to get from any of the William De
Cantilupe's to John De Cantelo?
Joe Cochoit
taf
> This source just confuses me.http://books.google.com/books?id=90kJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA176&dq=chilton+can...
> It seems to go William – Walter – Richard – John - Emma
>
> Anyone able to better document how to get from any of the William De
> Cantilupe's to John De Cantelo?
The following:
Two cartularies of the Benedictine abbeys of Muchelney and Athelney
http://books.google.com/books?id=W5Rnfv-Cp7kC&pg=PA71
puts a WIlliam de C in Chilton in 1303, and calls him great-grandson
of a Roger.
taf
joseph cook
>
> This source seems to say William II De Cantilupe had a son Richard who
> was ancestor to the Lords LaWare and Stewkley. I have not been able
>
> This source just confuses me.http://books.google.com/books?id=90kJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA176&dq=chilton+can...
>
> Anyone able to better document how to get from any of the William De
> Cantilupe's to John De Cantelo?
>
> Joe Cochoit
"Baronia Angelica" has:
"This house was a younger branch of the Cantilupes, of Aston-
Cantilupe...and commenced in the person of John, third son (according
to Dugdale) of William de Cantiplupe, lord of Aston-Cantilupe, and
sheriff of the counties of Warwick, Leicester, Worcester, and
Hereford, in the reign of king John and Henry III, which
John de Cantiplupe (sometimes Cantelo).... married Margary, daughter
and heir of William Cummin, of Sniterfield, and had issue John, his
successor, and Walter, who was a priest and rector of Sniterfield....
[John] died about 16 Edw I
John de Cantilupe, heir to the father, in 24 Edw I.... married
according to Collins, Margaret, daughter of John, lord Muhon, of
Dunster, and had issue, a son John, who died before him, and a
daughter Eleanor ... who married Thomas West, ancestor of the present
viscount of Cantntilupe.... "
and more about related individuals.
coc...@yahoo.com
I saw that and was worried that bringing in the Cantilupe connection
to the Lords De La Warr would just further confuse matters. The West
family which became the Lords De la Warr certainly quartered the same
arms of Cantilupe, and the usual line seems to have been developed by
tracing the descent of the manors of Hempston Cantelo, co. Devon and
Snitterfield, co. Warwick.
CP (IV p. 152 and XII/2 p. 518) has Reynold West inheriting from his
uncle the barony of De la Warr and becoming Reynold West, 6th Lord De
La Warr. It says his grandfather, Thomas West, m. Eleanor Cantilupe,
dau of John De Cantilupe of Hempston Cantilupe, co. Devon. Eleanor
was still living in 1344.
Most of the pedigrees I ran across, including yours, in google books
and online seem to follow Burke (1) and give the Cantilupe connection
as William I de C - John – John – Eleanor m. Thomas West. I dismissed
this out of hand as it seemed unreasonable to have a man born in c1159
have a great-granddaughter living in 1344. And is it likely that
William (living c1159-1238) had his third of five sons die 16 Edw I
(1287/8 by my calculator)? There seems to be at least 1 missing
generation here.
This reference inserts a Nicholas, making Eleanor a daughter of
Nicholas.
William I De C – John – John – Nicholas - Eleanor
http://books.google.com/books?id=L5EZAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA2-PA74&dq=%22john+de+cantilupe%22+eleanor#v=onepage&q=%22john%20de%20cantilupe%22%20eleanor&f=false
This helps with shortening the generations from the first John to
Eleanor but still there seems to be a problem with saying the John d.
1287 could be a son of William b. 1159. It also disagrees with the CP
account. Multiple sources confirm that “Thomas West and his wife
Eleanor” inherited Hempston Cantelo and Snitterfield. (2, 3, 4)
As I said, all this does is confuse my question relating to John De
Cantelupe of Chilton Cantelo. My John had 2 daughters and heirs, Emma
who became ancestor of the Stukeley’s, and Margaret who married Thomas
West. This Margaret was said to have been ancestor of the Lords De La
Warr. I had decided that this was wrong and my John De Cantelo must
not be the ancestor of the West family. However, Thomas West and
Margaret inherited from her mother a potion of the manor of Trent;
they traded this with John De Testwood for the manor of Testwood (5);
Testwood is later found descending with the Lords De la Warr. (6).
So I have 2 John De Cantelupe’s both said to be (with some evidence)
ancestors of the Lords De la Warr
Both have a son-in-law named Thomas West
But in 1 case the daughter is called Eleanor and in the other Margaret
Also, anyone have full access to these two snippet views:
Showing the heirs of John De Cantelo, their ages, and his death date
http://books.google.com/books?id=iadCAAAAYAAJ&q=%22john+de+cantelo%22&dq=%22john+de+cantelo%22&lr=
Possible IPM/proof of age of Emma
http://books.google.com/books?id=I_5XAAAAIAAJ&q=%22john+de+cantelo%22&dq=%22john+de+cantelo%22&lr=
2. http://www.history.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/personframe.html
3. VCH Warwickshire, iii, p. 168.
royala...@msn.com
You appear to be confusing two different wings of the Cantelowe family
with each one other.
You're already aware that the Cantelowe family of Chilton Cantelo,
Somerset is ancestral to the Affeton-Stukeley family of Devonshire.
However, that family is a entirely different branch of the family than
the Cantelowe family of Snitterfield, Warwickshire and Hempston
Cantilupe, Devon, which is ancestral to the baronial West family.
You're also aware that the surname Cantelowe is sometimes called
Cantilupe in printed sources. This is due to the fact that the Latin
form of the surname is Cantilupus. But, just as Mortuo Mari is the
Latin form of Mortimer, Cantilupus is merely the Latin form of
Cantelowe. Cantelowe (and variant spellings) would the correct form
to use for this surname.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
taf
The problem may be with that birthdate - did the guy really live to
79?
Sackville-West's _Historical notices of the parish of Withyham in the
county of Sussex_ shows the same pedigree, with William d. 23 H III,
his son John fl. 20 H III, son John's daughter Eleanor married to
Thomas West, fl 17 E II. Two generations in the family matching two
generations in the royal dating.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MgIIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA41
taf
Patricia A. Junkin
married Margaret Cumin was the uncle of Milicent Cantilupe Montealto
Zouche, brother of her father, William who married Eve Braose?
1346 (Feudal Aids, p. 391) John West holds Hempston Cantilupe for 1/40
an ordinary fee of the hon. Of Launceston.1
1Report and transactions - The Devonshire Association for the
Advancement of Science, Literature and Art.
by Devonshire Association for the Advancement of Science, Literature
and Art.; Devonshire Association for the Advancement of Science,
Literature and Art.Sidmouth, Eng. [etc. Bideford, 1902. Vol. XXXIV]p.
290
Also see Stourton under British History Online.
Pat
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taf
wrote:
> Am I correct in that the John Cantilupe of Hempston Cantilupe who
> married Margaret Cumin was the uncle of Milicent Cantilupe Montealto
> Zouche, brother of her father, William who married Eve Braose?
Not according to these 19th century pedigrees. Are you aware of
anything that makes the relationship explicit?
taf
coc...@yahoo.com
Hi Doug,
I am not sure if you are saying that I am wrong in supposing that John
De Cantelo of Chilton Cantelo connects the earlier William De
Cantilupe’s, or if you are saying that I am wrong in hinting that the
same branch of Cantelupe’s were ancestral to both the Stukeleys and
Lords De La Warr. I am certainly willing to be corrected either way.
I am aware that there is more than 1 Cantilupe family and that they do
not all connect. My supposition that John De Cantelo of Chilton
Cantelo would connect to the same family of William De Cantilupe in my
first post is based on 2 things. First, the references given directly
state that William De Cantilupe who was seneschal of Henry III (i.e.
William II) was ancestor to the lords of Chilton Cantelo. Secondly,
the arms quartered by Stukeley (Azure three leopard heads jessant de
fleur-de-lys or)[1] were almost identical to those of William I de
Cantilupe (Gules three leopard heads inverted jessant fleur-de-lys or)
[2], and for that matter the same as those quartered by the West,
Lords De la Warr (Gules three leopard heads inverted jessant fleur-de-
lys or) [3]. Furthermore, the Thomas West (husband of Margery) who
exchanged Trent for Testwood sealed the deed with three leopard heads
jessant de fleur-de-lys.
The link that Todd provided states that the Cantilupe’s of Chilton
Cantelo goes back to a Roger De Cantilupe who received lands from a
Gilbert De Cantilupe in 3 John. Such an early date makes it difficult
to see how this family connects to William I De Cantilupe, i.e. it is
a different family. Of course, this doesn’t explain the heraldic
evidence. The question would still remain – do you know how to tie in
Roger De Cantilupe occ. 3 John, with William de C who has Chilton
Cantelo in 1303, with John De Cantelo who is ancestral to the
Stukeleys?
Joe
1.
http://books.google.com/books?id=fqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA352&lpg=PA352&dq=cantelupe+arms+stewkley&source=bl&ots=zXg3B6H1Cf&sig=NwUHhtbSzfhbjx_h0i-drNarEl0&hl=en&ei=NzuLSrzQE4OusgO7lNW_DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#v=onepage&q=&f=false
2.
http://books.google.com/books?id=v0cvAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=cantilupe+arms+leopard&source=bl&ots=TyCfdz7P6r&sig=VZYl0WFjkE7jMx91E3buXbTn16A&hl=en&ei=iSSOStyELpCAswOuvIWECw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false
3. http://anglicanhistory.org/oceania/codrington/ancient_coats1905.html
royala...@msn.com
These are all the same family, just different branches.
The Cantelowe family of Chilton Cantelo, Somerset was established as a
separate wing of the main family before 1210, as indicated by the
Curia Regis Rolls. And before 1200 even the main branch of the
Cantelowe family is murky in the records. Due to the lack of
records, you may never be able to properly connect the Chilton Cantelo
family to the main branch of the Cantelowe family.
As far as the Cantelowe family seated at Snitterfield, Warwickshire
goes, it was simply another branch of the same family. But they are
a separate and distinct branch from the Chilton Cantelo family.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> 1.http://books.google.com/books?id=fqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA352&lpg=PA352&dq=c...
> 2.http://books.google.com/books?id=v0cvAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=c...
>
> 3. http://anglicanhistory.org/oceania/codrington/ancient_coats1905.html
coc...@yahoo.com
Thanks Doug,
It sounds like you may have looked at this family in the past. Are
you able to connect any of the names mentioned?
The dates would make possible if not probable that the William who had
Chilton Cantelo in 1303 was the father of my John De Cantelo?
This William is called great-grandson of Roger De Cantilupe. Any idea
of the names in between?
Joe
Patricia A. Junkin
William la Zouche of Blaketoriton, Devon and in this found that
William Cantilupe married a widow of William Fitz Warine and gave
Hemeston to Studley Priory. The Devon Fitz Waryns came to Blaketoriton
through the marriage of William la Zouche;s grand daughter Thomasia
married Walter Fitz Waryn. Several of the segments on British History
Online speak of this John de Cantilupe. Besides Stourton, there is
Avon Dasset and Snitterfield. I understand that John has in many
places been placed as a generation later.
Pat
taf
wrote:
> I have tried to piece together land and other material relative to the
> William la Zouche of Blaketoriton, Devon and in this found that
> William Cantilupe married a widow of William Fitz Warine and gave
> Hemeston to Studley Priory. The Devon Fitz Waryns came to Blaketoriton
> through the marriage of William la Zouche;s grand daughter Thomasia
> married Walter Fitz Waryn. Several of the segments on British History
> Online speak of this John de Cantilupe. Besides Stourton, there is
> Avon Dasset and Snitterfield. I understand that John has in many
> places been placed as a generation later.
A generation earlier is what I have seen. He can't be later, as
William's eventual hers (after his son George's death) were daughters.
taf
Patricia A. Junkin
William de Cantilupe=Egidia, widow of William Fitzwarine
|
William de Cantilupe=Milicent Gournay
|
1) William de Cantilupe=Eve Braose>Milicent Cantilupe Montealto Zouche
2) Walter de Cantilupe
3) John de Cantilupe of Snitterfield=Margaret Cumin
4) Nicholas de Cantilupe=Eustachia Fitz Ralph
Pat
taf
wrote:
> This is what I have and may need to be corrected,
> William de Cantilupe=Egidia, widow of William Fitzwarine
> |
> William de Cantilupe=Milicent Gournay
> |
> 1) William de Cantilupe=Eve Braose>Milicent Cantilupe Montealto Zouche
> 2) Walter de Cantilupe
> 3) John de Cantilupe of Snitterfield=Margaret Cumin
> 4) Nicholas de Cantilupe=Eustachia Fitz Ralph
The source I pointed to earlier has the following pedigree:
http://books.google.com/books?id=MgIIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA41
William de Cantelupe Senesch. Regis ob. 23 Hen. III.
|
1) William de Cantelupe, ob. 35 Hen. III=Milicent, filia Hug. de
Gornai
|
1a) William de Cantelupe, ob. 39 Hen. III=Eva, filia et cohaeir.
Will. de Braosa
|
1ai) Georgius de Cantelupe, ob. sine Prole, 1 Ed. I
1b) S. Thomas de Cantelupe, Epos. Hereford.
1c) Juliana=Robert de Tregoz
2) Walter de Cantelupe, Episc. Wigorn.
3) John de Cantelupe de Snitfield, co. of Warwick, 20 Hen.
III=Margery, filia haeres Will. Cumin
|
3a) Walter de Cantelupe, Rector Eccl. de Snitfield
3b) John de Cantelupe=Matilda
|
3bi) Alianora, Haeres=Thomas West, 17 Ed. II
4) Nicholas de Cantelupe, 46 Hen. III
This would make Walter, John and Nicholas uncles of William = Eva, not
siblings. This matches what seems to be broadly accepted, that Bishop
Thomas was nephew of Bishop Walter.
taf
Patricia A. Junkin
other sources seem to verify but have also seen other sources which
place William who married Eve as a brother of John of Snitterfield. I
would like to work more with the dates.
Pat
On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:31 PM, taf wrote:
> On Aug 22, 5:31 pm, "Patricia A. Junkin" <pajun...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>> This is what I have and may need to be corrected,
>> William de Cantilupe=Egidia, widow of William Fitzwarine
>> |
>> William de Cantilupe=Milicent Gournay
>> |
>> 1) William de Cantilupe=Eve Braose>Milicent Cantilupe Montealto
>> Zouche
>> 2) Walter de Cantilupe
>> 3) John de Cantilupe of Snitterfield=Margaret Cumin
>> 4) Nicholas de Cantilupe=Eustachia Fitz Ralph
>
>
> The source I pointed to earlier has the following pedigree:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=MgIIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA41
>
> William de Cantelupe Senesch. Regis ob. 23 Hen. III. (d. 1238)
> ---------------------------|
> 1) William de Cantelupe, ob. 35 Hen. III=Milicent, filia Hug. de
> Gornai (1217 recv seisin of Hugh Gournai's lands)
> ----------------------- |
> .............1a) William de Cantelupe, ob. 39 Hen. III=Eva, filia
> et cohaeir.
> ....................Will. de Braosa
> -------------------|
> ........................1ai) Georgius de Cantelupe, ob. sine
> Prole, 1 Ed. I
> .............1b) S. Thomas de Cantelupe, Epos. Hereford.
> .............1c) Juliana=Robert de Tregoz
>
> 2) Walter de Cantelupe, Episc. Wigorn.
>
> 3) John de Cantelupe de Snitfield, co. of Warwick, 20 Hen.
> ..............................III=Margery, filia haeres Will. Cumin
> d. 1213
> |
> .................3a) Walter de Cantelupe, Rector Eccl. de Snitfield
> .................3b) John de Cantelupe=Matilda
> ..........................3bi) Alianora, Haeres=Thomas West, 17
> Ed. II
>
> 4) Nicholas de Cantelupe, 46 Hen. III
>
> This would make Walter, John and Nicholas uncles of William = Eva, not
> siblings. This matches what seems to be broadly accepted, that Bishop
> Thomas was nephew of Bishop Walter.
>
> taf
>
royala...@msn.com
I know of no direct evidence that establishes the parentage of John de
Cantelowe (living 1257), of Snitterfield, Warwickshire, who was the
husband of Margery Comyn. However, John de Cantelowe is usually
assigned as a younger son of William de Cantelowe (died 1239), Steward
of the Royal Household, by his wife, Masceline, daughter of Aldulf de
Bracy.
The reasons for this are twofold:
First, sometime in or before 1225, William de Cantelowe (died 1239)
appears to have the grant of the custody of the wardship of Margery
Comyn, an heiress, who subsequently married John de Cantelowe. It was
common for men of William de Cantelowe's standing to marry their
female wards off to one of their sons.
Second, I note that John de Cantelowe, of Snitterfield, Warwickshire,
and his wife, Margery Comyn, named a younger son, Walter, presumably
in honor of Walter de Cantelowe, Bishop of Worcester, which Walter is
a known son of William de Cantelowe (died 1239).
For your interest, I've copied below my file account of John de
Cantelowe, of Snitterfield, Warwickshire, and his two sons, John,
Knt., and Walter, a priest.
The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (ODNB) does not identify
John de Cantelowe, of Snitterfield, as a son of William de Cantelowe,
died 1239, but historians are often poor genealogists. For your
interest, ODNB provides the following sources for William de
Cantelowe, which you may wish to examine at your leisure.
Chancery records (RC) • Chancery records • F. Palgrave Rotuli curiae
regis: rolls and records of the court held before the king's
justiciars or justices, 2 vols., RC, 27 (1835) • Paris, Chron., 2.533,
588, 610; 3.15, 18, 83, 529 • Ann. mon., 3.87 • I. J. Sanders, English
baronies: a study of their origin and descent, 1086–1327 (1960), 39–40
• D. A. Carpenter, The minority of Henry III (1990) • H. Hall The Red
Book of the Exchequer, 3 vols., Rolls Series, 99 (1896) • A. Hughes,
List of sheriffs for England and Wales: from the earliest times to AD
1831, PRO (1898); repr. (New York, 1963) • L. Landon, The itinerary of
King Richard I, PRSoc., new ser., 13 (1935), 131
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + + + + +
CANTELOWE FAMILY OF SNITTERFIELD, WARWICKSHIRE
1. JOHN DE CANTELOWE, of Bearley and Weston (in Weston-upon-Avon),
Warwickshire, and, in right of his wife, of Snitterfield, Avon
Dassett, Halford, Hunscote (in Charlecote), and Stourton (in
Whichford), Warwickshire. He married before 1236 MARGERY (or
MARGARET) COMYN, daughter and heiress of William Comyn, of
Snitterfield, Warwickshire, by his wife, Eve. They had two sons, John,
Knt., and Walter (priest). In 1250 he and his wife, Margery, conveyed
the manor of Weston (in Weston-upon-Avon), Warwickshire to William de
Weston for life. He had a grant of a weekly market and a yearly fair
at Snitterfield, Warwickshire in 1257. His widow, Margery, was living
in 1279.
References:
C.C.R. 1227–1231 (1902): 121. C.C.R. 1234–1237 (1908): 293. VCH
Warwick 3 1945): 43–44, 167–172, 193–196; 5 (1949): 34–38, 67–69, 89–
92, 198–202, 205–209.
Children of John de Cantelow, by Margery Comyn:
i. JOHN DE CANTELOWE, Knt., of Snitterfield and Wolverton,
Warwickshire. He married MAUD _____. They had one son, John, and one
daughter, Eleanor (wife of Thomas West, Knt.). In 1318 he granted a
piece of land called Linscoumbe Goren and the advowson of
Snitterfield, Warwickshire to his brother, Walter de Cantelowe. In
1318 he and his wife, Maud, settled the manor of Snitterfield,
Warwickshire (excepting 5 messuages, 4 carucates, 2 virgates, 8 acres
of land) on himself and his wife, Maud, for life, with remainder to
his son John. After the death of the younger John, his father in 1324
entailed the manor of Snitterfield, Yorkshire (excepting 1 messuage,
104 acres of land, and the advowson of the church) on his daughter
Eleanor and her husband Thomas West. In 1325 he gave permission for
Walter de Stapeldon, Bishop of Exeter, to grant the advowson of
Snitterfield, Warwickshire to Prior and Canons of St. Sepulchres,
Warwick. SIR JOHN DE CANTELOWE died in 1333.
References:
VCH Warwick 3 1945): 167–172, 193–196; 5 (1949): 175–182, 198–202.
Ancient Deeds—Series BB (List & Index Soc. 137) (1977): 10–12. Ellis
Cat. of Seals in the P.R.O. 1 (1978): 14 (seal of John de Cantilupe
dated 1318—A shield of arms: three leopard’s faces jessant-de-lys;
scrollwork upon each side. Legend: S’ IOHIS DE CANTVLVPO).
ii. WALTER DE CANTELOWE, of Avon Dassett and Hunscote (in Charlecote),
Warwickshire, priest, younger son. In 1318 his brother, John de
Cantelowe, Knt. granted him a piece of land called Linscoumbe Goren
and the advowson of Snitterfield, Warwickshire; in 1323 Walter granted
the same property to Walter de Staplelton, Bishop of Exeter. In 1319
he held the manor of Avon Dassett, Warwickshire jointly with Thomas
Beton for life. In 1322 he owed a debt of £400 to Master Robert le
Blunt, clerk. In 1323 he was presented to the church of Snitterfield,
Warwickshire by Walter, Bishop of Exeter.
References:
VCH Warwick 5 (1949): 34–38, 67–69. Ancient Deeds—Series BB (List &
Index Soc. 137) (1977): 10–12. National Archives, C 131/171/100
(abstract of document available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Patricia A. Junkin
If I may borrow some of the following line from "taf", with my
additions below, for understanding. Did the William de Cantelowe/
Cantilupe d. 1239 marry Egidia , Lady Kilpeck? Also, I have
Snitterfield in Warwick. I am especially looking for a connection of
the Mohuns and which John Cantilupe, if any, married Margaret Mohun.
Thank you for taking the time to send me this material.
Pat
> William de Cantelupe Senesch. Regis ob. 23 Hen. III. (d.
> 1238/9)=Mesceline de Braci
> ---------------------------|
> 1) William de Cantelupe, ob. 35 Hen. III=Milicent, filia Hug. de
> Gornai (1217 recv seisin of Hugh Gournai's lands)
> ----------------------- |
> .............1a) William de Cantelupe, ob. 39 Hen. III=Eva, filia
> et cohaeir.
> ....................Will. de Braosa
> -------------------|
> ........................1ai) Georgius de Cantelupe, ob. sine
> Prole, 1 Ed. I
> .............1b) S. Thomas de Cantelupe, Epos. Hereford.
> .............1c) Juliana=Robert de Tregoz
>
> 2) Walter de Cantelupe, Episc. Wigorn.
>
> 3) John de Cantelupe de Snitfield, co. of Warwick, 20 Hen.
> ..............................III=Margery, filia haeres Will. Cumin
> d. 1213
> |
> .................3a) Walter de Cantelupe, Rector Eccl. de Snitfield
> .................3b) John de Cantelupe=Matilda
> ..........................3bi) Alianora, Haeres=Thomas West, 17
> Ed. II
>
> 4) Nicholas de Cantelupe, 46 Hen. III
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On Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:04:23 PM UTC+1, coc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if anyone can connect John De Cantelo to the Cantilupe
> family.
>
> John de Cantelo of Chilton-Cantelo is an ancestor of Mary Gye, my
> immigrant ancestor, through her Stukeley descent. The manor of
> Chilton-Cantelo, co. Somerset is said have gotten its name from the
> more ancient and well-known family of "De Cantilupe" (aka Cantilo,
> Canteloe, Cantelow, etc.). Furthermore, John De Cantelo bore the same
> (or close) arms as the earlier Cantilupe family.
>
> So presumably John De Cantelo descends from one of these William De
> Cantilupe's
> William I De Cantilupe d. 1238
> William II De Cantilupe d. 1250/1 m. Millicent de Gournay
> William III De Cantilupe d. 1254 m. Eve de Braose
> George De Cantilupe (d.s.p., his heirs were his sisters)
>
>
> His descent to Mary Gye would be:
> John De Cantelo (died leaving 2 daughters as co-heiresses)
> Margaret m. Thomas West
> Joan Chasteleyn - John Manyingford
> Elizabeth Manyingford - Thomas De Affeton
> John De Affeton - Joan Bratton
> Katherine De Affeton - Hugh Stukeley
> Richardson books or multiple other sources.
>
> The descent is probably best described here:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=80MJAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA122&dq=%22John+de+cantelo%22+of+Chilton+Cantelo&lr=#v=onepage&q=&f=false
>
>
>
> This source seems to say William II De Cantilupe had a son Richard who
> was ancestor to the Lords LaWare and Stewkley. I have not been able
> to find much information on William II having a son Richard.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=BpmN-bq2OYgC&pg=PA169&dq=chilton+cantelupe#v=onepage&q=chilton%20cantelupe&f=false
>
>
> This source just confuses me.
> http://books.google.com/books?id=90kJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA176&dq=chilton+canteloe&lr=&as_brr=3#v=onepage&q=chilton%20canteloe&f=false