CP correction: Heron
Chris Phillips
Heron at:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/HeronCorrections.shtml
These are the outcome of several months' discussion with Tony Ingham and
Rosie Bevan.
I should make it clear that it was Tony who came up with the corrected
genealogical scheme, and most of the supporting evidence from primary
sources, and Rosie provided further evidence and discussion. I have tried to
supplement the evidence from London sources as far as possible.
The main genealogical correction concerns the ancestry of John Heron (killed
1461), who married Elizabeth, daughter and heir of William Heron (d. 1425)
(Sir William being the son of William (d. 1400), the son of Roger (d. by
1400), the eldest son of William (d. 1379)).
John was certainly the son of William Heron (killed 1427/8). CP identifies
this William as a son of William, the second son of William Heron (d. 1379).
But the evidence shows that he was in fact the son of John Heron (d. 1408),
who was in all probability the son of John, the third son of William (d.
1379). (Just possibly John (d. 1408) was identical with William's son John,
although this seems chronologically unlikely.)
Comments, criticisms and corrections will be welcomed.
Chris Phillips
Betty Owen
I saw a notation of something on that site mg.org/heron corrections
etc....
here is what it says,
He [Sir Roger Heron (d. by 1400)] occurs as a knight in 1364. In 1390 Sir
Walter Tailboys claimed the manor of Croydon afsd. against him. Nothing is
known of his career. He m. Margaret. He was dead in 1400, as appears by the
inquisition on his son.
-----
Walter Tailboys--- does anyone know anything about him or have some
genealogy on him?
Thanks
Betty
Dolly Ziegler
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Betty Owen wrote:
(snip) > Walter Tailboys--- does anyone know anything about him or have
> some genealogy on him?
Chris Phillips
This is what the Victoria County History of Cambridgeshire, vol. 8, pp. 31,
32 (Tailboys manor, Croydon cum Clopton) says:
"William Tailboys, of a prominent Northumberland family, had acquired it by
1315. He was still lord in 1347, but, before his death in 1364, and probably
by 1354, it had passed to another Northumberland man, Sir William Heron of
Ford ... From 1389 to 1395 William Tailboys's grandson and heir Walter (d.
1411) sued Sir Roger [son of Sir William Heron] and his wife Margaret to
regain the manor.[62] Walter possibly recovered some rights, for his son
Walter (d. 1444) was named as lord of Croydon in 1428 ..." [and the account
continued with that Walter's son, but I haven't copied it any further]
[62] P.R.O., CP 40/507, rot. 562d; CP 40/537, rot. 342d.
Further references are given for the descent before it came to the Herons,
and for 1428 onwards, but I haven't noted those.
Chris Phillips
Chris Phillips
> Betty Owen wrote:
> > I saw a notation of something on that site mg.org/heron corrections
> > etc....
> > here is what it says,
> > He [Sir Roger Heron (d. by 1400)] occurs as a knight in 1364. In 1390
Sir
> > Walter Tailboys claimed the manor of Croydon afsd. against him. Nothing
is
> > known of his career. He m. Margaret. He was dead in 1400, as appears by
> the
> > inquisition on his son.
> > -----
> > Walter Tailboys--- does anyone know anything about him or have some
> > genealogy on him?
Walter also appears as de jure Lord of Kyme, at Complete Peerage, vol. 7, p.
358.
He was 18 in 1369, m. Margaret and d. 20 or 21 Sep. 1417, when his son and
heir Walter was 26.
The elder Walter was son of Henry Tailboys (d. 1368/9) (s of William
Tailboys by Margaret) and Eleanor, da and h of Elizabeth de Umfraville by
her husband Gilbert de Boroughdon or Borrowden, and niece and heir of
Gilbert (de Umfraville), Earl of Angus and Lord Kyme (d. 1380/1).
It strikes me that this Gilbert, the maternal grandfather of Sir Walter
Tailboys, is quite likely to be the same man as "Gilbert de Boreudone", who
married - apparently in the late 1330s - the widow of Sir Roger Heron (d. by
1332/3), grandfather of the Sir Roger Heron against whom Sir Walter Tailboys
claimed Croydon. I don't see how that could have anything to do with the
legal dispute, though, as Croydon had come from Sir Walter's paternal
grandfather.
Chris Phillips