CP Addition/Correction: Sir Richard Darell, of Palton, co. Hants/Audley
Douglas Richardson
Brad Verity recented asked for information regarding the children (if
any) of Sir Richard Darell, by his wife, Margaret Beaufort, daughter
and co-heiress of Sir Edmund Beaufort, Duke of Somerset. The replies
which followed Brad's original post suggested this couple probably had
issue but didn't provide an original source which documented that
fact.
Yesterday I came across information on Sir Richard Darell in an
article by Charles G. O. Bridgeman published in Transactions of the
Shropshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. 4th ser. vol. 3 (1913), pg. 80.
Mr. Bridgeman gives a brief abstract of the inquisition post mortem of
Sir Richard Darell which names his heir:
"... in the inquisition taken on the death of Sir Richard Darell of
Palton co. Hants in 1491 it is found that his heir was his grandson
John Audley, son of his daughter Margaret and James Audley Kt., then
aged 6 and no more."
In footnote 1 on the same page, Mr. Bridgeman corrects the statement
in Complete Peerage sub Audley that Sir Richard Darell was "of
Lillingstone Darell co. Bucks." [see C.P., 1 (1910): 342]. He
provides the following information:
"According to the pedigree of Darell of Lillingstone Darell given in
Lipscomb's Buckinghamshire, there was in fact no Sir Richard Darell of
Lillingstone Darell at that date. And in the Genealogist, N.S., xiii.
186, a pedigree is given in which this Sir Richard Darell's name
appears as a younger son of William Darell of Littlecott, co. Wilts."
I subsequently checked both Lipscomb's pedigree of the Buckinghamshire
family and the pedigree of the Darrell family of Wiltshire found in
the Genealogist. I concur with Mr. Bridgeman that Sir Richard Darell
was a younger son of William Darell, Esq., of Littlecote (in
Ramsbury), co. Wiltshire, by his wife, Elizabeth, daughter and heiress
of Thomas Calstone. Sir Richard was not a member of the Darell family
of Lillingstone Darell, co. Buckingham, as alleged by Complete
Peerage.
As for Sir Richard Darell's descendants, Complete Peerage sub Audley
shows that his one daughter, Margaret, married in or before 1483 James
Audley, K.B., Lord Audley. The inquisition above shows that Margaret
had at least one son, John, who Complete Peerage states succeeded his
father as Lord Audley. However, Mr. Bridgeman (pg. 80) states that
James Audley subsequently married at or before 1488 Joan Bourchier, by
whom he had another son named John, born about 1493, who was living at
his mother's death in 1532. Mr. Bridgeman asserts it was the second
John, son of Joan Bourchier, who succeeded his father, not his older
half-brother, John, son of Margaret Darell.
If Bridgeman is correct, this would be an important correction for
Complete Peerage. I'll leave it to Chris Phillips to sort this
problem out. No doubt the history of the manor of Palton, co. Hants
would help provide the answer to this question, as would the
inquisition of Joan (Bouchier) Audley which Bridgeman indicates
exists. I suspect that Mr. Bridgeman is probably right on this point.
If so, then it is entirely possible that there are no living
descendants of Sir Richard Darell and his wife, Margaret Beaufort.
Regardless, Margaret Beaufort does have living descendants by her
prior marriage to Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford, among them
being my six lively children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
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From: Brad Verity (bat...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Darrells of Littlecote/Chilton Foliot, Wilts
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
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Date: 2001-11-30 17:59:36 PST
Dear Group,
I'm trying to determine the parentage and children of Sir Richard
Darell of Littlecote, Wilts., the second husband of Lady Margaret
(Beaufort) Stafford, sister of the Duke of Somerset, and mother of the
Duke of Buckingham. I know of two daughters:
1) Margaret Darell, who married John, Lord Audley
2) Margery Darell, who married Sir Thomas Long, of Draycot-Cerne,
Wilts, Sheriff of Wiltshire in 17 Hen. VII and 22 Hen. VII
I came across the following entries in the PRO website:
C 147/52 Grantor: John Rogers, of Hampstead, Berks, gentleman, and
Elizabeth his wife, late wife of Sir Edward Darrell, knight,
deceased.Grantee: William Darrell, of Littlecote [in Ramsbury],
esquire, son and heir of the said Sir Edward.Place or Subject: Manors
of Wanborough, Axford [in Ramsburg], Fittleton (Fedilton), Coombe,
Compton [both in Enford], Haxton (Hackeston, Hackilston) [in
Fittleton], Winterbourne Monkton, Rudge (Ridge) [in Froxfield],
Froxfield, Ramsbury, Knighton [in Ramsbury], Chilton [Foliat],
Orcheston [St Mary] (alias Ursten Marleborough), Marlborough; manors
of Balsdon (Balston) and Anvilles (Hanvills) [both in Kintbury], with
lands in Inkpen, Hungerford, Kintbury (Kinburie), Leverton [in Chilton
Foliat]; manors of Long Bredy (Longprydye) and Baglake (Bagley) [in
Long Bredy]. 4 Eliz I
C 47/9/18 Evidences, 1447-1575, in a dispute between William Darell
and Henry and Edward Manners, 2nd and 3rd Earls of Rutland, as to the
descent among the co-parceners of Eleanor Beauchamp of the manor of
Chilton Foliot in Wilts, with a pedigree, coloured 100mm 2-12 Eliz I
Since the William Darell of Littlecote in dispute over Chilton Foliot
with the Earls of Rutland was apparently a descendant of Eleanor
Beauchamp, Duchess of Somerset, does this mean his father Sir Edward
Darell was the son of Sir Richard Darell and Lady Margaret Beaufort?
1) Eleanor Beauchamp (1407-67) m. John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset and
had,
2) Lady Margaret Beaufort (d. 1474) m. 2nd (after 1455), Sir Richard
Darell, and had,
3) Sir Edward Darell, of Littlecote, who had
4) William Darell, of Littlecote, in dispute with the Earls of Rutland
in 2-12 Eliz I
Does anyone have access to a pedigree of the Darells of Littlecote
that can shed some light?
Best regards, --------Brad Verity
brad verity
Thank you for your post. It's interesting that Sir Richard Darrell turns
out to be a Littlecote Darrell - it partially confirms Sir James Long, 2nd
Baronet's belief that he was descended from him.
Back on December 4th, I posted:
"So Betham in his BARONETAGE OF ENGLAND was wrong in making Margery
Darrell, the wife of Sir Thomas Long, the daughter of Sir Edward
Darrell of Littlecote.
That leaves three possibilities (so far) for her parentage:
1) Sir George Darrell of Littlecote (d. 21 Mar. 1474) and his first
wife Margaret Stourton (d. bef. 1465). These are the parents Paget,
in his ancestry of Prince Charles, assigns her.
2) Sir George Darrell of Littlecote (d. 1474) and his second wife Jane
Haute. This would make her a full sister of Sir Edward Darrell, and
until further chronology can be determined, this cannot be ruled out.
3) Sir Richard Darrell (of Littlecote?) and his wife Lady Margaret
Beaufort, daughter and co-heir of Eleanor (Beauchamp) Beaufort,
Duchess of Somerset. This is what Sir James Long, 2nd Baronet, her
descendant, believed to be the case in 1688. There is also the PRO
document of 4 Eliz. which details the dispute William Darrell of
Littlecote had with the Earls of Rutland over Chilton Foliot manor,
which stemmed back to their descent from the Duchess of Somerset. How
exactly Sir Richard Darrell, the son-in-law of the Duchess, fits into
the family I haven't been able to determine yet. However, the birth
date of 1465/6 for Sir Edward Darrell, M.P., makes it chronologically
possible for him to be the son of Sir Richard Darrell and Lady
Margaret Beaufort, instead of the son of Sir George Darrell and Jane
Haute."
When I was at the PRO last month, I looked up the document [C 47/9/18] that
detailed the dispute over Chilton Foliot manor. It was a huge folder with
over 50 pages of detailed description! Unfortunately, it was handwritten
and beyond me to decipher. The pedigree at the end would be extremely
useful to anyone researching the descendants of Edmund Beaufort, Duke of
Somerset and Eleanor Beauchamp, as it carries them down four generations.
The pedigree did not give the descendants of Margaret Beaufort and Sir
Richard Darrell, apparently because Lady Margaret's heir was her son the
Duke of Buckingham from her first marriage, and thus her Darrell children
were not her representatives for inheritance purposes.
The PRO staff was very helpful on my first visit, but clearly this daunting
document requires a trained genealogist/historian skilled in deciphering the
language and script of the period to muddle through it for several days.
I'm sure there's a treasure trove of info on the Beaufort and Manners
families in it.
I'd be willing to finance the copying and translation of it, if someone's
willing to tackle it.
I still think Sir James Long, 2nd Baronet may have been correct that his
ancestor Margery Darrell Long was daughter of Sir Richard Darell and Lady
Margaret Beaufort.
Best regards, --------Brad Verity
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malinda
the line of Emma Darel (d/o Duncan Darel who passed Lund to her) who
about 1160 married Sir Robert Thweng (ca 1130-1190), sometimes called
Robert FitzRobert (s/o Robert Thweng who held Legsby, co Lincoln, of the
Brus family in 1130) ?
The above couple Sir Robert Thweng and Emma Darel were parents of
Sir Marmaduke Thweng of Thweng and Lund, grandfather of another
Sir Marmaduke Thweng who married Lucy de Brus (d/o Piers Brus and
Hawise Lancaster)
Sir Marmaduke Thweng was Lord of Kilton Castle (inherited by his father
through
his wife, Matilda Kilton), Castledon Castle, Kilton Thorp, Kirkleatham; Lord
of
Thweng, Lund, Thorpe, Lythum, Morsum.
In right of his wife, the heir to Peter Brus, Lord of Danby Castle, Manors
of
Kirkburne, Southburn, Brotton and Skinningrove and the town of Yarm.
This information was all gleefully "lifted" from cousin Colin Thwing's
interesting
website on a familytreemaker site which has "been moved or deleted" . I will
copy Colin on this email and I'm sure we are both very interested in any
comments.....~malinda
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/marmeduke/page4.html?mtbrand=AOL_US