Sir Alexander Standish
Bill's Genealogy
Can you tell me where I can find the info on the children of Sir Alexander
Standish (c.1450-1507)?
I only know that he was the father of Sir Christopher Standish's wife Alice,
but I have nothing else on him. If he is the same Sir Alexander in AR7 (line
170-34), then Myles Standish would trace his lineage to the royal ancestry
of Constance Gerard, albeit through a slightly different route than
previously thought (if we use Moorwood's research).
Regards,
Bill Merklee
Brad Verity
> Can you tell me where I can find the info on the children of Sir Alexander
> Standish (c.1450-1507)?
The only ready source I have available are the pedigrees from
Ancestry.com, which always need to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
However, one in particular, provided a lot of info:
"Alexander [Knighted at the battle of Hutton Field in Scotland in
1482] died holding the manor of Standish of Sir Edward Stanley, Sir
Richard Shireburne and Lady Le Stange in socage by rent of 5
shillings, together with other manors and lands. Sibyl, his widow, wsa
libing at Bromley in Wigan at the date of the inquisition, and Ralph,
their sona dn heir was 28 years old.
"Alexander was married in 1458 to Sibyl de Bold, daughter of Sir Henry
de Bold of Bold, knight, her mother was Grace. We learn this from an
indenture dated 1/1/1451-2 between Ralph de Standish, Esq. and Henry
Bold, Esq. whose daughter Sybil was married to Alexander, son and heir
apparent of Ralph. This was a child marriage, as you can see, arranged
about the time Alexander was born. The feoffes for the marriage
settlement were Roger de Standish, parson of Standish, John Kirk,
parson of Burnhill, John Eccleston, Esq., Henry Birkhead. The dower
was to be 6 pounds per annum out of the profits and rents of the manor
of Standish and the advowson of the curch, and other lands belonging
to Ralph which he had by right of marriage from Margery his wife
(excepting what he himself had purchased) with the reversion of
Bromley and all the lands which Randel de Standish held for his life,
were entailed on the issue of Sybil and the issue of that marriage,
whth the remainder to Alexander and to the will of Ralph de Standish
the father. Following were the arrangements for the estate there
after.
"Sir Alexander owned manors and tenents in Blackrod, Standish,
Shevington, Langtree, Worthington, Coppull, Chorley, Duxbury, Whittle,
Adlington and Wigan besides estates in other shires such as Chester,
Warwick and Essex. As noted in the forgoing marriage settlement,
Alexander and Sibyl were granged in 1457 lands then in the possession
of Randel de Standish for the term of his life etc. The trrustees
granted and annuity to 1457 to Alexander and Sibyl to be paid out of
the rents and profits of the manor of Standish. (looks like they were
well profided for)
"Under the Primageniture Laws of England, the eldest son who inherited
the estate was responsible for the rest of the family as long as they
lived. In the history of this family there were many, many
arrangements made for otheres in the family, many of which were for
only their lifetime. This held the property together but generated
much unhappiness and disputes often had to be settled.
"In 1506 Alexander Standish enfeoffed Ralph his son, of all his estate
with an obligation to pay the king a debt of 100 pounds then due. In
1508, the king gave a quietus to son Ralph Standish and his father,
Sir Alexander Standish upon a recognizance of 1000 pounds."
According to this pedigree, his children were:
Lawrence STANDISH
Alice STANDISH [the pedigree doesn't name her husband, but we know
from Moorwood he was Sir Christopher Standish of Duxbury]
Oliver STANDISH
Joan STANDISH
Grace STANDISH
Katherine STANDISH
Hugh STANDISH
Robert STANDISH
Peter STANDISH
John STANDISH
Ralph STANDISH b: 1479, who married Alice Harington [not Elizabeth
Molyneux - I was wrong in my previous post. It was their son
Alexander Standish of Standish who married Elizabeth Molyneux,
descendant of Edward I, and from them descended Virginia Woolf. The
Ancestry.com pedigree follows the line of Ralph Standish, third son of
Ralph Standish and Alice Harington.]
> I only know that he was the father of Sir Christopher Standish's wife Alice,
> but I have nothing else on him. If he is the same Sir Alexander in AR7 (line
> 170-34), then Myles Standish would trace his lineage to the royal ancestry
> of Constance Gerard, albeit through a slightly different route than
> previously thought (if we use Moorwood's research).
Which royal was Constance Gerard descended from?
Hope this helps. I would imagine a Visitation of Lancashire would
have this family, as they seem prominent gentry there.
Cheers, -------Brad
Todd A. Farmerie
>>but I have nothing else on him. If he is the same Sir Alexander in AR7 (line
>>170-34), then Myles Standish would trace his lineage to the royal ancestry
>>of Constance Gerard, albeit through a slightly different route than
>>previously thought (if we use Moorwood's research).
>
>
> Which royal was Constance Gerard descended from?
According to the AR line, she descends from William the Lion,
though (top to bottom) Ros, Plumpton, and Boteler. Not shown is
the Mowbray ancestry of Alice de Plumpton, which may involve
English royalty, although I don't recall for sure whether this is
the case or not. The Gerard/Boteler/Plumpton royal descent is,
IIRC, shared by emigrant Oliver Mainwaring (but not his 'best').
taf
Bill's Genealogy
To everyone interested in Myles Standish's ancestry -- I've been in contact
with Phil Hudson, the publisher of Lancashire History Quarterly, and he
tells me that Ms. Moorwood hasn't yet published her book on Myles Standish.
Phil has given me permission to reproduce her articles (7 in all) on my web
site, since it seems that Peter Duxbury's site is incomplete and has been
for some time. I hope to have this up in early June, and will post the URL
here.
Best regards,
Bill Merklee
jef...@iquest.net
and Aline de Braose. While I'm not sure there is universal agreement on this,
Maud Beauchamp's mother was more than likely Ida de Longespee, daughter of William
de Longespee, Earl of Salisbury. That being the case, Maud would therefore
be the great-granddaughter of Henry II and the much discussed (on this list)
Countess Ida.
Aline de Braose was descended from John de Braose and Margaret/Margred, daughter
of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth. If Margaret/Margred's mother was Llywelyn's wife Joan
of England then she'd be the granddaughter of King John. Unfortunately, there's
no proof (as far as I know, and if you read through the archives of this list
I think I'll be backed up on this) of who Margaret/Margred's mother was.
At any rate, those are the two possible/probable lines of English Royal descent
that I'm awere of for Alice de Plumpton through her mother Christian de Mowbray.
Jeff Duvall
jef...@iquest.net
or
jdu...@iupui.edu
Doug Smith
Glad you are posting a complete version. I will be very interested.
Also in her book whenever it is published. She has an interesting
theory.
Doug Smith
Sutliff
universally accepted. The late Dr. David Faris is one of those who
considered this identity problematic. AR7 cites numerous sources in support
of this, but unfortunately the VCH Lancs sources cited in support make no
mention of this Christiana. AR7 also cites MCS:116-5 in support, but there
are no sources given plus there is a conflict in the identity of the first
wife (it is not adequately explained why she is called a Swillington in one
and a Byaufiz in the other). It would seem that more documentation is needed
that Christiana is a Mowbray, and more importantly certain proof where her
placement would be. I would also add that the HOP [1386] II:304-5 bio of
John Boteler does not identify Alice Plumpton's mother.
This identity has been discussed a number of times over the past 5+ years in
this forum and the consensus seems that adequate proof is still wanting for
Christiana's placement and parentage. There would be a lot in the archives,
but doubtfully anything to resolve this.
Henry Sutliff
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